Self dence weapon legal or illegal ?

spongebob89

So iv been just chased for the third time by this vicious husky that roams around my area, the owner is a complete dunse that dose be miles behind his dog. This dog has came at me again this evening

I already asked the owner to put him on a lead but he wont

Anyway I bought a baseball bat and wondering what the gards could do if they spotted me holding it while walkingm my dog for my own protection

Im assuming its perfectly legal since they sell them in aldi or can they take it off me ?

brian_t

Have you reported the dog to the local Dog Warden ?

spongebob89

brian_t wrote: »

Have you reported the dog to the local Dog Warden ?

Not exactly i approached the owner and the gards but i seriously dout they care

Paulw

Call your local council dog warden. They will care a lot more than the Gardai.

spongebob89

Paulw wrote: »

Call your local council dog warden. They will care a lot more than the Gardai.

I will get right on it, cheers

Grolschevik

Baseball bat would probably look bad. But a blackthorn walking stick wouldn't.

On a side note, my old uncle advised that the best way to deal with a dog coming at you is to take off your jacket, and hold it spread out in front of you towards the dog. It intimidates and confuses them, apparently.

spongebob89

Grolschevik wrote: »

Baseball bat would probably look bad. But a blackthorn walking stick wouldn't.

On a side note, my old uncle advised that the best way to deal with a dog coming at you is to take off your jacket, and hold it spread out in front of you towards the dog. It intimidates and confuses them, apparently.

I know it looks bad id even be a bit embarrassed walking by my neighboors.. However my safety is more important so i want to know if the gards can legally do anything ?

But yeah i spread out my arms and shouted thank god it worked when i turned my back tho he cane again but thankfully i manage to deter him

Grolschevik

You've no good (or good enough) reason, even in this context, to be walking around
in public with a baseball bat. The guards might well take it off you.

A walking stick, however, is by definition a stick you take with you when you're walking.

spongebob89

Grolschevik wrote: »

You've no good (or good enough) reason, even in this context, to be walking around
in public with a baseball bat. The guards might well take it off you.

A walking stick, however, is by definition a stick you take with you when you're walking.

Ok but why would they sell them in aldi if their all going to get harrased by the guards, I got a soft ball with it, so if i bring it with the bat and if they do decide to question me i could say im hitting the ball for my dog to catch

PLUG71

Get a spray bottle full with water and spray the dog with a jet of water.
Dogs hate it!

If that fails ask the owner if he has a dog licence and take a video of him with the dog etc.

Report him and his dog to the wardon stating this dog is causing a nuisance etc.

Grolschevik

Point is, you might be stopped and have to explain yourself to them if you have the bat.

They probably wouldn't stop you if you just have a walking stick.

Your call on whether you want to put up with the potential hassle.

(They sell them in Lidl for people to play baseball with, not to be carried in public as dog defence weapons).

Ben_10

A hurley wouldn't look as suspicious as a baseball bat. I often bring a hurley and sliotar on my dog walks. They sell them in Aldi and Lidl also.

zoe 3619

Hurley is a great idea.looks so much more innocent than a baseball bat.of course only use it as a totally last resort.as for the blackthorn stick..waving a stick at a dog can antagonize them and provoke an attack that wouldn't have happened otherwise.contact dog warden is the best option obviously.

tenifan

zoe 3619 wrote: »

Hurley is a great idea.looks so much more innocent than a baseball bat.of course only use it as a totally last resort.as for the blackthorn stick..waving a stick at a dog can antagonize them and provoke an attack that wouldn't have happened otherwise.contact dog warden is the best option obviously.

Blackthorn stick is a good idea.
They reckon the best thing to do, if attacked by a dog, is to hold the stick out and hopefully the dog will try to grab it in its mouth. Pull back a little on the stick, and when the dog tries to pull it in the other direction give it a good shove forward.

Of course you can't walk around with a baseball bat unless you're looking for trouble.

Grolschevik

zoe 3619 wrote: »

as for the blackthorn stick..waving a stick at a dog can antagonize them and provoke an attack that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

And brandishing a hurley is different how? Unless we assume that the Husky is from Kilkenny...

gctest50

tenifan wrote: »

Blackthorn stick is a good idea.
They reckon the best thing to do, if attacked by a dog, is to hold the stick out and hopefully the dog will try to grab it in its mouth. Pull back a little on the stick, and when the dog tries to pull it in the other direction give it a good shove forward. ....................

one thats anyway handy or had a bit of training will go for the arm with the weapon or drop you

& a good one is faster than you'd think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oHJkF3E8bs

CianRyan

Coming next week, "Being charged with animal abuse and large vet fees for injuring neighbours husky."

Don't bash the dog, it's not the dog's fault the owner is a twat.

tenifan

gctest50 wrote: »

one thats anyway handy or had a bit of training will go for the arm with the weapon or drop you

we're talking about being attacked by untrained dogs, not trained killing machines

gctest50

tenifan wrote: »

we're talking about being attacked by untrained dogs, not trained dogs killing machines

there, fixed the hysteria powered post for you

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Little CuChulainn

Carrying a weapon is illegal. Carrying a weapon for defensive purposes is illegal. Carrying something like a hurley or a bat for defensive purposes is illegal. Carrying an item like a bat or hurley if you are on your way to a game is not illegal. People seem to be advising that you carry one of these items and pretend you are going to a game. You should be aware that Gardaí don't automatically take your word for it and may still arrest you for carrying a weapon if they don't believe your lie.

rubadub

Ben_10 wrote: »

A hurley wouldn't look as suspicious as a baseball bat.

I heard some anecdote about that. I think it was supposed to be a garda advising a shopkeeper to have a hurley rather than a baseball bat as nobody plays baseball here!

It is a real grey area, I was making the point before that if you had a 10 inch blade with camoflague colours on it in a bag with "army shop" on it then you are about 100 times more likely to get in trouble than if the exact same knife had pictures of tomatoes & onions on the handle and was in a dunnes bag.

I see no reason to lie to the gardai saying you are going to play a game, if I was a garda and you told me the truth I wouldn't have an issue -seeing as you have already gone to the gardai. I would be interested in what they would say if you went into the station and enquired if it is legal for you to bring protection for the dog they have done nothing about, and ask them for advice on what protection you can bring, or advice in general. Throw it back at them.

sham58107

As others have said he anything that looks like a weapon is out and heavy and awkward to carry on a walk.

I cycle a lot and the best thing is a squirt of water from water bottle they do seem to hate it and it harms nobody.

What would owner guards think if you walloped poor dog with bat or hurley.?

samantha fortune

just bring a ball along with the bat so it looks like u use it to hit the ball for the dog to play fetch.

Little CuChulainn

rubadub wrote: »

I heard some anecdote about that. I think it was supposed to be a garda advising a shopkeeper to have a hurley rather than a baseball bat as nobody plays baseball here!

It is a real grey area, I was making the point before that if you had a 10 inch blade with camoflague colours on it in a bag with "army shop" on it then you are about 100 times more likely to get in trouble than if the exact same knife had pictures of tomatoes & onions on the handle and was in a dunnes bag.

I see no reason to lie to the gardai saying you are going to play a game, if I was a garda and you told me the truth I wouldn't have an issue -seeing as you have already gone to the gardai. I would be interested in what they would say if you went into the station and enquired if it is legal for you to bring protection for the dog they have done nothing about, and ask them for advice on what protection you can bring, or advice in general. Throw it back at them.

It is very unlikely they will let you go on your way with an item you have admitted is for defense. It's more likely you will be immediately arrested and charged. Similarly, if you go to a Garda station and ask for advice on carrying weapons you will be told it is illegal. If you tell them it is for beating a dog they will likely be less civil to you. Additionally, it is likely they will note your details in their notebook in case you decide, sometime in the future, to bring a weapon and use it. That's a bit of premeditation right there.

The dog warden is the person that deals with roaming dogs.

spongebob89

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It is very unlikely they will let you go on your way with an item you have admitted is for defense. It's more likely you will be immediately arrested and charged. Similarly, if you go to a Garda station and ask for advice on carrying weapons you will be told it is illegal. If you tell them it is for beating a dog they will likely be less civil to you. Additionally, it is likely they will note your details in their notebook in case you decide, sometime in the future, to bring a weapon and use it. That's a bit of premeditation right there.

The dog warden is the person that deals with roaming dogs.

I wasnt planning on telling them im carrying it to beat a dog only you guys know that, i would carry the soft ball too and say im hitting the ball for my dog to catch how can they do anything about that sure then they could stand outside aldi all day charging people coming out with the baseball bats

Paulw

spongebob89 wrote: »

I wasnt planning on telling them im carrying it to beat a dog only you guys know that

Yeah, sure no Garda reads boards.ie :rolleyes:

Little CuChulainn

spongebob89 wrote: »

I wasnt planning on telling them im carrying it to beat a dog only you guys know that, i would carry the soft ball too and say im hitting the ball for my dog to catch how can they do anything about that sure then they could stand outside aldi all day charging people coming out with the baseball bats

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that a defense that would likely work in court does not necessarily mean it will work with a Garda on the side of the road. A Garda need only have reason to believe you are committing an offence. A court must believe beyond reasonable doubt. An arrest is much more likely than a conviction. Also, Gardaí have a lot of experience with dealing with liars and have a good idea when someone is being dishonest. Maybe you are an accomplished liar that you can pull the wool over their eyes but is it really worth finding out?

PLUG71

Buy a maglite 6 cell torch!

http://www.amazon.com/MAGLITE-S6D016-Heavy-Duty-Flashlight-Black/dp/B000056BME

You cant get done for carrying a torch

Luke92

If you have a baseball bat and want to use it for defence then I'm pretty sure its classed as an offensive weapon. And that's an arrestable offence. Better off keeping a spare thick dog chain in your pocket. Whip the fook out of the dog from a distance and he'll soon stop the attacks.

Victor

spongebob89 wrote: »

i would carry the soft ball too and say im hitting the ball for my dog to catch

So your dog won't be 'to heal' in a public place?

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PLUG71

Luke92 wrote: »

If you have a baseball bat and want to use it for defence then I'm pretty sure its classed as an offensive weapon. And that's an arrestable offence. Better off keeping a spare thick dog chain in your pocket. Whip the fook out of the dog from a distance and he'll soon stop the attacks.

Whip the owner not the dog.

Its the owner causing the issue due to lack of training and control for the owner and the dog!!

Luke92

PLUG71 wrote: »

Whip the owner not the dog.

Its the owner causing the issue due to lack of training and control for the owner and the dog!!

Should have worded that better alright. In a situation where you have a dog running at you who may sink his teeth into you, well you have no other option but to defend yourself.

CianRyan

spongebob89 wrote: »

I wasnt planning on telling them im carrying it to beat a dog only you guys know that, i would carry the soft ball too and say im hitting the ball for my dog to catch how can they do anything about that sure then they could stand outside aldi all day charging people coming out with the baseball bats

Honestly, if you hit that dog I will gladly testify in court to say it was premeditated and the only reason you bought and carried the weapon was to assault and animal.

You've been given the correct advice and you keep ignoring it, why? Because you have a blood lust with this dog?

This stinks of scumbag.

Zambia

Op the violent response is not the best one. Carry some dog treats and just befriend the dog.

If you walk around with your dog a ball to justify the bat and a bat as well. Well you will look pretty fupping stupid.

Pat Mustard

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Defense-umbrella-infrangible-unbreakable-self-defense/dp/B007AGNXA6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_sg_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0AZEJF2PR8KEA6QFCGTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozeDlXeEH78

A dog will not approach a person with an umbrella.

MrBobbyZ

Often encounter this when I'm walking my dogs. I used to have hurley and a few tennis balls (both dogs are retreivers and love tennis balls). Must admit I've used the hurley to scare away the odd aggressive stray. In fairness I'd be far more inclined to ask the dog owner to sort himself out than hit an animal. If that doesn't rectify the issue then the dog warden will.
This owner is playing a risky game. A dog without proper control is liable to cause damage to someone or something.

hullaballoo

I like the holes people dig themselves.

Accused: "The baseball bat I was carrying when I killed my neighbours dog was intended for use on my dog."
Judge. "..."
A: "...I was going to hit the balls..."
J: "..."
A: "But it was for the dog. MY DOG!!!"

*Garda produces evidence of this thread.*

/rests case.

spongebob89

hullaballoo wrote: »

I like the holes people dig themselves.

Accused: "The baseball bat I was carrying when I killed my neighbours dog was intended for use on my dog."
Judge. "..."
A: "...I was going to hit the balls..."
J: "..."
A: "But it was for the dog. MY DOG!!!"

*Garda produces evidence of this thread.*

/rests case.

I rang the dog warden today with the guys address lets just see what happens

And you think our police force is going to happen to check boards if a dog is assulted by a bat ? Stop being a clown

hullaballoo

Lol.

Grolschevik

hullaballoo wrote: »

Lol.

Commendable restraint!

Paulw

spongebob89 wrote: »

And you think our police force is going to happen to check boards if a dog is assulted by a bat ? Stop being a clown

And do you think Gardai don't have free time, post/read boards.ie or other such sites??

A number of Gardai use boards, and a few even post in this section frequently. I think one has already posted in the thread. For all you know, he may be working in your local station.

AryaStark

Paulw wrote: »

And do you think Gardai don't have free time, post/read boards.ie or other such sites??

A number of Gardai use boards, and a few even post in this section frequently. I think one has already posted in the thread. For all you know, he may be working in your local station.

There are a lot of people who have read this thread ... Any dog attacked by bat and this thread will be reported. You are going about this all wrong ... It is the owner that is to blame not the dog.

spongebob89

AryaStark wrote: »

There are a lot of people who have read this thread ... Any dog attacked by bat and this thread will be reported. You are going about this all wrong ... It is the owner that is to blame not the dog.

I know its the owner thats why i reported him to the warden, now i dont actually know if them wardens are any use or if there like the rest of the council workers renowned for coming into work scratching there hoop for 4 hours then go home with a full days pay, because i certainly never see them doing patrols

And also there be no fine or anything for me if a large dog runs at me an i defend myself with a non banned weapon

CianRyan

spongebob89 wrote: »

I know its the owner thats why i reported him to the warden, now i dont actually know if them wardens are any use or if there like the rest of the council workers renowned for coming into work scratching there hoop for 4 hours then go home with a full days pay, because i certainly never see them doing patrols

And also there be no fine or anything for me if a large dog runs at me an i defend myself with a non banned weapon

There will be, not to mention if it were my dog I'd take your weapon and lump it through your arse.

goz83

I have seen Aldi selling Axes, knives and many dangerous tools. Doesn't make it ok to use them on dogs.

Luke92

CianRyan wrote: »

There will be, not to mention if it were my dog I'd take your weapon and lump it through your arse.

So you have a vicious dog, it runs at someone to attack them and they defend themselves. You're then gonna attack that person for defending their life?

Even if a vicious dog ran at my dog to attack it, I'd kick the **** out of it! I wouldn't let another dog attack my dog let alone myself.

Pat Mustard

spongebob89 wrote: »

So iv been just chased for the third time by this vicious husky that roams around my area, the owner is a complete dunse that dose be miles behind his dog. This dog has came at me again this evening

I already asked the owner to put him on a lead but he wont

Anyway I bought a baseball bat and wondering what the gards could do if they spotted me holding it while walkingm my dog for my own protection

Im assuming its perfectly legal since they sell them in aldi or can they take it off me ?

A husky is a reasonably big dog and could easily outrun a man if he wanted. I doubt that he was trying to catch you with any intention to hurt you. He was just acting the fool, which can be scary for a lot of people who are not used to dogs.

I would seriously suggest that you carry an umbrella.

The dog won't come close to you if he sees that you have an umbrella. You won't need to hit him at all.

Even a rolled up newspaper is enough to keep most dogs at bay. A dog who is over eager can be dissuaded by a smack of rolled up newspaper on his snout. It won't injure him, but it lets him know that it's time to call it a day.

In my view, there is no need to take a baseball bat to any animal.

You could end up being prosecuted for animal cruelty, trying to convince a judge that you were acting in self defence. Maybe you would succeed in such an argument, if you could show that you had to defend yourself, but nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a criminal summons. It's not a fun place to be.

Also, you should note that:

S.9(5) Where a person has with him in any public place any article intended by him unlawfully to cause injury to, incapacitate or intimidate any person either in a particular eventuality or otherwise, he shall be guilty of an offence.

Obviously, a dog is not a person, but anyway...

Here's another tip for dissuading over eager dogs; water pistol.

CianRyan

Luke92 wrote: »

So you have a vicious dog, it runs at someone to attack them and they defend themselves. You're then gonna attack that person for defending their life?

Even if a vicious dog ran at my dog to attack it, I'd kick the **** out of it! I wouldn't let another dog attack my dog let alone myself.

There are other ways of detaining a dog, attacking it with a bat or a hurl is simply not acceptable.

I'd wage the dog isn't vicious either, huskies are quite an excitable dog, not to mention quite big. The dog may run over to see the OP's dog, perhaps even jump at the dog and bark to try and encourage the dog to play.
People with little experience may be frightened by this and honestly, anyone resorting to attacking a dog with a baseball bat is clearly very unexperienced.

Del2005

PLUG71 wrote: »

Buy a maglite 6 cell torch!

http://www.amazon.com/MAGLITE-S6D016-Heavy-Duty-Flashlight-Black/dp/B000056BME

You cant get done for carrying a torch

If a Garda thinks you are going to use your house keys as a weapon they can do you, it's the intent that's the crime not the item.

The OP has been told numerous times what to do but they have chosen to ignore it so they can beat a dog when it comes at them instead of chasing it away with water.

No Pants

CianRyan wrote: »

There will be, not to mention if it were my dog I'd take your weapon and lump it through your arse.

Settle down, Rambo.

spongebob89

Del2005 wrote: »

If a Garda thinks you are going to use your house keys as a weapon they can do you, it's the intent that's the crime not the item.

The OP has been told numerous times what to do but they have chosen to ignore it so they can beat a dog when it comes at them instead of chasing it away with water.

Id rather a bat by my side than a splash of water I dout water has much effect when a wild dog goes into an attack frenzie.. Only then will i call upon my bat to save me an save me it will