Toaiseach intervenes in Brooks debacle.

Permabear · 15-07-2014 12:00AM

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Slideshowbob · 15-07-2014 12:02AM

Why would insurance be needed?

What are the big costs involved?

Who'll be suing who?

Ultimately, Brooks was offered 5 gigs and declined them ....

Happyman42 · 15-07-2014 12:10AM

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Why would insurance be needed?

What are the big costs involved?

Who'll be suing who?

Ultimately, Brooks was offered 5 gigs and declined them ....

Brooks made a big point of saying in his press conference that 'We where never told that these gigs where subject to licence',
if that is true then huge case there.
It's why they never had any intention of doing 3 gigs imo.

And yes, Aiken aid there was no insurance for any of the gigs on Marian Finucane's Saturday Show.

Marian said 'gosh' and so did I.

Thoie · 15-07-2014 12:11AM

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Why would insurance be needed?

What are the big costs involved?

Who'll be suing who?

Ultimately, Brooks was offered 5 gigs and declined them ....

There may be some costs to pay to Croke Park - a deposit for holding the venue.
Brooks may have to be paid something.
If any additional staff had already been hired, they'll have to be paid.
The infamous ship full of gear will have to be paid for.
Publicity costs from radio/newspaper ads.

I imagine there'll be a bunch of wrangling over this going on for years.

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:13AM

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That makes sense from an insurance point of view, they can't insure something that might not happen! DCC is outside his control though, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Aiken must be out a fortune too, which regardless of GB, he'll probably never get back.

Dan_Solo · 15-07-2014 12:14AM

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"But I couldn't be arsed playing for you unless it's five nights."

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:22AM

Thoie wrote: »

There may be some costs to pay to Croke Park - a deposit for holding the venue.
Brooks may have to be paid something.
If any additional staff had already been hired, they'll have to be paid.
The infamous ship full of gear will have to be paid for.
Publicity costs from radio/newspaper ads.

I imagine there'll be a bunch of wrangling over this going on for years.

Croker is more or less paid for so they'll be fine. I could be wrong and thinking of another story, but they promised to invest a big part of the windfall in the grassroots. Surely part of CP's obligation is actually delivering the events!

RoyalCelt · 15-07-2014 12:34AM

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Croker is more or less paid for so they'll be fine. I could be wrong and thinking of another story, but they promised to invest a big part of the windfall in the grassroots. Surely part of CP's obligation is actually delivering the events!

I think they were sending a big part of the windfall towards the cork and belfast stadiums. 38k all seater and 45k seater/standing. Not sure where the money will come from now. Maybe apply for more government funding?

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:45AM

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I think they were sending a big part of the windfall towards the cork and belfast stadiums. 38k all seater and 45k seater/standing. Not sure where the money will come from now. Maybe apply for more government funding?

Stormont is funding a big part of Casement, same as Ravenhill and Windsor, PCness is an expensive business. 5 Million is significant but they'll get over it. The FAI would be in a much more precarious financial position and the Aviva got much bigger Government funding IIRC to put things in perspective.

Thoie · 15-07-2014 12:46AM

K-9 wrote: »

Croker is more or less paid for so they'll be fine. I could be wrong and thinking of another story, but they promised to invest a big part of the windfall in the grassroots. Surely part of CP's obligation is actually delivering the events!

That's where the blame game will start. If I'd booked a hotel function room, paid a deposit, then pulled out at the last minute, the hotel would keep the deposit. But then if it turned out I had to pull out because the hotel had forgotten to get a bar extension like we'd agree, then it gets complicated. I bet there are bunches of people who will be spending tomorrow reading and re-reading the fine print in a bunch of contracts.

Happyman42 · 15-07-2014 01:00AM

I'd love to see Brooks contract, Aiken seemed to have no clout whatsoever. Reports (the Sindo...beware) that he was offered 6 gigs, 3 now and 3 in October and still said NO.

Thoie · 15-07-2014 03:19PM

While the matter is over, small update for those who had seen figures that "40% of the objections were faked".

From the horse's mouth, 11 of the 384 submissions were falsely submitted - that's under 3%. There may have been more that didn't let DCC know, but it looks like the process did its job - they mailed the 384 people to confirm it was legit, and 11 people responded saying it wasn't.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/keegan-brooks-refused-to-budge-over-croker-shows-636402.html

I'm curious to know what the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Transport and Communications want.

This Committee has a very broad remit over policy areas which impinge on the lives of citizens in every corner of the country. In shadowing the work of the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport, the Committee considers general policy matters relating to the functions of those two Departments and EU policy priorities in those areas.

They're right - that is a bloody broad remit. I presume they're looking at things from the tourism perspective?

Permabear · 15-07-2014 03:38PM

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Dan_Solo · 15-07-2014 03:43PM

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"up to 40%" isn't more than anything. It isn't a real number. It could be zero, which is also "up to 40%". "legitimate" is also an equally valid part of "may have been fraudulent".

Dan_Solo · 15-07-2014 03:45PM

I may have scored up to 40% of World Cup winning goals, plus I may have bagged up to 40% of Miss World winners.
True. Totally true.
Said a source.
Me.

bumper234 · 15-07-2014 03:51PM

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With facts like these sure how could they not have granted lord Garth his gigs :rolleyes:

Dan_Solo · 15-07-2014 03:54PM

bumper234 wrote: »

With facts like these sure how could they not have granted lord Garth his gigs :rolleyes:

The exact same reports say that up to 100% of objections were possibly legitimate...

raymon · 15-07-2014 04:30PM

I found it disgusting to see Timmy Dooley accusing a planner of bias at the committee today.The man has family living near Croke Park.

This coming from Dooley, a GAA man with pictures of himself and Garth Brooks all over the internet. Will these Fianna Fail gombeens ever stop?

Permabear · 15-07-2014 04:34PM

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bumper234 · 15-07-2014 04:37PM

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Just goes to show that the people making the decisions have first hand experience of the chaos caused by these concerts. Better someone who knows the area than some gombeen who wouldn't be able to find croker with a smart phone and google maps.

Permabear · 15-07-2014 04:43PM

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raymon · 15-07-2014 04:51PM

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The guy lives in Skerries.

Permabear · 15-07-2014 04:54PM

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bumper234 · 15-07-2014 04:56PM

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Most politicians would be GAA members, you were calling for them.to.step.in but surely they had a conflict of interest?

raymon · 15-07-2014 04:58PM

Here is the root of the issue

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Permabear · 15-07-2014 04:59PM

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raymon · 15-07-2014 05:05PM

Permabear. Do you agree that Timmy Dooleys political interference for Garth bill was wrong ?

Permabear · 15-07-2014 05:10PM

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Sierra Oscar · 15-07-2014 05:15PM

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Permabear. Do you agree that Timmy Dooleys political interference for Garth bill was wrong ?

raymon. Do you agree that it should be a requirement for planners to state a potential conflict of interest when making planning decisions? Seems like common sense stuff, Mary Lou McDonald also probed him on the issue.

The TD's in the committee had no problem outlining whether they were members of the GAA or not - or even if they were Garth Brooks fans!

Happyman42 · 15-07-2014 05:37PM

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Sierra Oscar wrote: »

raymon. Do you agree that it should be a requirement for planners to state a potential conflict of interest when making planning decisions? Seems like common sense stuff, Mary Lou McDonald also probed him on the issue.

The TD's in the committee had no problem outlining whether they were members of the GAA or not - or even if they were Garth Brooks fans!

In answer he said he owned the property and he also said that his son was not one of the objectors.

No conflict of interest and no case to answer. Nice try though.

Planners live in the communities they administer all over the country.
It's either show a conflict here or shut up, to be honest.

Toaiseach intervenes in Brooks debacle.

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