Gay Cake Controversy!

Collie D · 14-10-2018 7:39pm

Proof to back up this last post please?

wexie · 14-10-2018 7:54pm

Collie D wrote: »

Proof to back up this last post please?

There was a thread on the whole parent 1 and 2 thing a while ago but I'm pretty sure it was about an article in France and I'm not even sure it was an actual change rather than a proposal. The way 'the family unit' is enshrined in Irish legislation I'd say it will be long time before that kind of madness reaches here. (And that's fine by me)

donkeykong5 · 14-10-2018 10:45pm

Collie D wrote: »

Proof to back up this last post please?

Not 100% sure. But believe I heard it on niall boylan show classic hits 4fm. He's one of the few guys in media who's not **** scared of pcbrigade snowflakes.

Peregrinus · 15-10-2018 5:40am

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Latest crap from pcbrigade is can't say pregnant woman anymore ......now has to be pregnant person. !.

Lord bless you, but you're very gullible!

donkeykong5 wrote: »

When I read this latest bull**** it warms me to know that the likes of ashers bakery are still around.

Yes. That's probably why they tell you this stuff.

donkeykong5 wrote: »

. . . Seems this moaning tiny minority in pc brigade protected LGBTWRSTUVWXYZ have taken over Ireland. Sad !

Have you been listening to that Mr. Trump again?

ohnonotgmail · 15-10-2018 9:40am

Peregrinus wrote: »

Lord bless you, but you're very gullible!

Yes. That's probably why they tell you this stuff.

Have you been listening to that Mr. Trump again?

they were listening to niall boylan apparently. Probably just as bad.

donkeykong5 · 15-10-2018 12:52pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Peregrinus wrote: »

Lord bless you, but you're very gullible!

Yes. That's probably why they tell you this stuff.

Have you been listening to that Mr. Trump again?

they were listening to niall boylan apparently. Probably just as bad.

Height of respect for both named gentlemen. They are not frightened by pc brigade.

ohnonotgmail · 15-10-2018 12:56pm

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Height of respect for both named gentlemen. They are not frightened by pc brigade.

LOL

PlaneSpeeking · 15-10-2018 1:07pm

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Height of respect for both named gentlemen. They are not frightened by pc brigade.

Point of order there - 'gentlemen' ?????? Shome mishtake shurely ?

Peregrinus · 15-10-2018 2:34pm

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Height of respect for both named gentlemen. They are not frightened by pc brigade.

Never listened to Boylan, but Trump is frightened all the time by almost everything. Have you never noticed his insecurity?

pleas advice · 21-10-2018 12:00am

looks like the branch where the order was placed, on Royal Avenue is now set to close.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/gay-cake-bakery-303767

There hasn't been enough business in recent times.
It comes after the Bank Buildings fire nearby that has devastated traders.
The surrounding area is closed to pedestrians and traffic while engineers conduct inspections, thus hurting businesses.

Ashers has eight other outlets.

Daniel McArthur, the general manager, told the Times:
“It simply comes down to the figures. We decided not to renew the lease. Belfast city centre isn’t busy enough — our other shops are much busier.
It’s been planned for some time and I am pleased to say there will be no job losses.”

I thought they only had one shop, outside the city?
good to know that business is good in the other 8 branches, anyway

gozunda · 21-10-2018 2:11am

pleas advice wrote: »

looks like the branch where the order was placed, on Royal Avenue is now set to close.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/gay-cake-bakery-303767

There hasn't been enough business in recent times.
It comes after the Bank Buildings fire nearby that has devastated traders.
The surrounding area is closed to pedestrians and traffic while engineers conduct inspections...

I thought they only had one shop, outside the city? good to know that business is good in the other 8 branches, anyway

Ashers to ash - a bit ironic no

Northern Ireland and Belfast in particular is coming down with wee bun shops / bakeries. Ashers are no exception tbh. It's good to see the old sectarian stuff apparently disappearing and all and sundry supporting business of different faiths as it were...

Lash Into The Pints · 21-10-2018 2:14am

Rare and welcome to see common sense win out. **** that lgbt bully.

gozunda · 21-10-2018 2:23am

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Rare and welcome to see common sense win out. **** that lgbt bully.

Did you mean that religous bully :pac:

Atlantic Dawn · 21-10-2018 2:27am

Fella asks you to rip off copyright to a commercial entity and you get taken down for equality legislation, should have went to Specsavers.

Gael23 · 04-10-2019 8:09pm

Hello again
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/15/gay-marriage-cake-customer-takes-case-to-european-court

Pauliedragon · 04-10-2019 8:14pm

That's one expensive cake.

alchemist33 · 04-10-2019 9:16pm

Maybe Brexit will cut this one off in time.

ohnonotgmail · 04-10-2019 10:10pm

alchemist33 wrote: »

Maybe Brexit will cut this one off in time.

The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU

Ruraldweller56 · 05-10-2019 1:48am

Screw Attack wrote: »

Well, if you knew anything about the story you would know that Asher's accepted his money, and then declined service. They broke the law. They deserved the consequences.

I didn't know this at all.

So they took the money? Knowing about the style of cake, knowing it was anti Christian? Took money anyway? And then refused to make the cake?

If that's the case **** em.

I suspect its not.

punisher5112 · 05-10-2019 1:50am

This thread is 5 years old...... Wow.....

Quantum Erasure · 05-10-2019 1:55am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

So they took the money? Knowing about the style of cake, knowing it was anti Christian? Took money anyway? And then refused to make the cake?

It was an employee who took the order, the owner informed them the next day that they couldn't fulfill the order. (I presume he was refunded, if he had paid at all, at that stage)

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU

I thought May was taking the UK out of the jurisdiction of the ECHR as well, not sure what Boris's plans are, or what way it might end up, at all

Ruraldweller56 · 05-10-2019 1:57am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It was an employee who took the order, the owner informed them the next day that they couldn't fulfill the order. (I presume he was refunded, if he had paid at all, at that stage)

I thought May was taking the UK out of the jurisdiction of the ECHR as well, not sure what Boris's plans are, or what way it might end up, at all

They were refunded. So? How shortly after?

They drove from down somewhere. Is there no bakeries there?

Quantum Erasure · 05-10-2019 1:59am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

They were refunded. So? How shortly after?

They drove from down somewhere. Is there no bakeries there?

read the thread, i don't know

McDermotX · 05-10-2019 2:03am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It was an employee who took the order, the owner informed them the next day that they couldn't fulfill the order. (I presume he was refunded, if he had paid at all, at that stage)

I thought May was taking the UK out of the jurisdiction of the ECHR as well, not sure what Boris's plans are, or what way it might end up, at all

Think the Court of Human Rights is an establishment of the original Council of Europe, which no-ones leaving anytime soon........might be the European Court of Justice that the Brits are trying to run from (and doing a pretty crap job of) post-Brexit.

So as soon as Brexit is out of the way.......lets say a conservative date of 2150, then they'll get cracking on getting out of the Council of Europe, probably by 2500 at the earliest.
Might just be easier to just wait for the British Isles to float away.

Ruraldweller56 · 05-10-2019 2:13am

McDermotX wrote: »

Think the Court of Human Rights is an establishment of the original Council of Europe, which no-ones leaving anytime soon........might be the European Court of Justice that the Brits are trying to run from (and doing a pretty crap job of) post-Brexit.

So as soon as Brexit is out of the way.......lets say a conservative date of 2150, then they'll get cracking on getting out of the Council of Europe, probably by 2500 at the earliest.
Might just be easier to just wait for the British Isles to float away.

Whatabboutery. The British want control/jurisdiction of their own country which their well entitled to.

And that's coming from someone who despises their crimes and wants control of his own country.

McDermotX · 05-10-2019 3:10am

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Whatabboutery. The British want control/jurisdiction of their own country which their well entitled to.

And that's coming from someone who despises their crimes and wants control of his own country.

Granted my little Brexit dig was a little left field, but it is a Friday night.

But, the Council of Europe and the responsibility levelled at its members is whatabboutery ?

Someone should have said something back in the 40s. Granted there was a big distraction going on back then.......but guess who was one of the movers and shakers behind the idea of a 'European Council' back then ?

The Court of Human Rights is a privilege open to all inhabitants of member countries of the Council..........one of the 'downsides or upsides' of that privilege is that disputes like this can have their day in a recognised court.

Gael23 · 05-10-2019 9:56am

Who says we get to the 10k post limit before this saga is finally put to bed?

Fr Tod Umptious · 05-10-2019 10:51am

When the Supreme Court ruled on this one of their reasons were something like this (and I am paraphrasing here)

"Had the people who ordered the cake not been LGBT then Asher's would still not have fulfilled the order"

Therefore they did not discriminate on sexual orientation grounds.

End of story.

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2019 2:49pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Who says we get to the 10k post limit before this saga is finally put to bed?

Ironically on page 666

DeVore · 10-10-2019 10:31am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

When the Supreme Court ruled on this one of their reasons were something like this (and I am paraphrasing here)

"Had the people who ordered the cake not been LGBT then Asher's would still not have fulfilled the order"

Therefore they did not discriminate on sexual orientation grounds.

End of story.

Thats akin to saying "we don't sell fried chicken in our shop. We dont sell it to anyone, white or black. We don't sell it cos we disagree with black people eating it but thats not the point, we dont sell it to whites either so its not racist!".

If you divide down a racist act into its very atomic actions, none of them can be pointed to and called racist. Bigotry is an emergent phenomenon. You have to look at the over all effect and its intent in the first place and in that way this cake business is clearly bigotted.

Gay Cake Controversy!

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