Man used hired digger to steal part of railway tracks

whisky_galore

dowlingm wrote: »

Better to remove the market for such theft by making it clearer to scrap merchants that failure to verify the bona files of railway debris they receive will be an expensive error

No.
Not good enough. End cash in hand payments.

Losty Dublin

dowlingm wrote: »

I would prefer a system where you commit crime and you get punishment which doesn't cause more problems than it solves. In this example, if this person was imprisoned then the taxpayer is punished on the double, since a State company has had nominal assets damaged without compensation and the State itself must pay for imprisonment..

When you go around stealing and causing €30,000 worth of damage to somebody elses property you'd expect a lot more than the option of €5,000 to be offered up in lieu. To the dishonest scrapman it just screams steal me as the odds are most definitely in your favour.

metrovick001

Isn't that Ireland in a nutshell?

Losty Dublin wrote: »

When you go around stealing and causing €30,000 worth of damage to somebody elses property you'd expect a lot more than the option of €5,000 to be offered up in lieu. To the dishonest scrapman it just screams steal me as the odds are most definitely in your favour.

dowlingm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

When you go around stealing and causing €30,000 worth of damage to somebody elses property you'd expect a lot more than the option of €5,000 to be offered up in lieu. To the dishonest scrapman it just screams steal me as the odds are most definitely in your favour.

Surely the calculation is scrap price vs likely restitution? It may be 30k to IE but surely that's not what you clear for the hot rails?

Losty Dublin

dowlingm wrote: »

Surely the calculation is scrap price vs likely restitution? It may be 30k to IE but surely that's not what you clear for the hot rails?

If you crash into a car, your insurance pays for the cost of making good the costs caused by the crash and not just the damage to your car. Similarly here, there are more costs to make good the damage caused than just the residual scrap price of the rails and sleepers.

Judgement Day

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If you crash into a car, your insurance pays for the cost of making good the costs caused by the crash and not just the damage to your car. Similarly here, there are more costs to make good the damage caused than just the residual scrap price of the rails and sleepers.

Are you implying that IE will actually replace the rails and sleepers?

Losty Dublin

Judgement Day wrote: »

Are you implying that IE will actually replace the rails and sleepers?

Are you implying that they don't need replacing?

whisky_galore

Replace a few isolated stretches of track whilst leaving the rest of it unusable anyway.
Makes perfect sense.

Banjoxed

whisky_galore wrote: »

Replace a few isolated stretches of track whilst leaving the rest of it unusable anyway.
Makes perfect sense.

Make the tealeaf rebuild the whole lot. That's what I call restorative justice

And it will annoy the road lobby no end. Win win

Note for the ironically challenged: The above is not to be taken entirely seriously.

Losty Dublin

Banjoxed wrote: »

Make the tealeaf rebuild the whole lot. That's what I call restorative justice

And it will annoy the road lobby no end. Win win

Note for the ironically challenged: The above is not to be taken entirely seriously.

Anybody who'd take it seriously is a right Coo-looney :pac:

dowlingm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If you crash into a car, your insurance pays for the cost of making good the costs caused by the crash and not just the damage to your car.

I agree, but this isn't an insurance policy where you pay for that coverage. I'm not a legal beagle but I think a judge might have a problem with IE seeking the track section to be, to all intents and purposes, restored to a better state than it was found in with all their costs covered.

pavb2

Pity about all them disused railway lines they should turn them all in to cycle paths I think this already been done in Mayo Achill island if memory serves.

So proper punishment would be for this man to work on this project after all he is already familiar with diggers and railway removal equipment. Then let's take this a step further and get all the other offenders to chip in and give something back to society. Like a 21st century chain gang.

But never going to happen is it.?Apart from someone actually having the will to do it, going to be too many obstacles

Insurance, Human rights. Doing people out of a job Etc etc etc

dowlingm

I think we've seen with Job Bridge how Ireland can take a notionally good idea and utterly tear the @rse out of it.

The Diabolical Monocle

Put him in the labour camp til he generates 38000 net.

The Diabolical Monocle

Put him in the labour camp til he generates 38000 net.