Reporting people.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

To different places for all different kinds of reasons. Is it a scummy thing to do?

I ask because right now I'm too-ing and fro-ing on whether or not to report my neighbour to the ISPCA.

Kimbot

Why would you report the neighbor to ISPCA?

P_1

It all depends on the context. If you're thinking of reporting a neighbour to the ISPCA chances are they're harming an animal that doesn't really have a way of defending itself so in that case you'd be justified to do it in my eyes.

yermandan

jonny24ie wrote: »

Why would you report the neighbor to ISPCA?

They're hardly gonna report the feckin dog

Peregrine

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I ask because right now I'm too-ing and fro-ing on whether or not to report my neighbour to the ISPCA.

If he/she is doing something that should be reported(you haven't shared the details so we can't judge the situation), you should do it. Think about the victim, not the perpetrator.

Kimbot

yermandan wrote: »

They're hardly gonna report the feckin dog

But i meant what is the neighbor doing that she is in two minds as to report them or not

Vojera

IMO if you know an animal is being abused or neglected then you have a responsibility to report them. I wouldn't consider it optional.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

For a whole host of reasons, but the straw that broke the camels back would be last night they had one of their many dogs obviously on a chain, the dog was so hungry he broke away but was dragging this big iron chain about 9ft long after him. He is a very nervous dog, and ended up getting his chain caught underneath a block at our house while he was robbing our dogs food. The dog was terrified, our dogs were terrified but he was so hungry he kept trying to get back closer and closer to the food. Unfortunately, while he was trapped with the chain being caught, he ran in front of my brothers parked car, and ended up tearing the crap out of his BMW. It's badly scratched. All along the front but more so at the side.

That isn't even the only story. A few months ago, another dog of theirs came down to ours and attacked our dogs, then turned to attack my brother and a few days later went to attack me when I got out of my car. I text the owner just asking her to keep her dogs at home and she accused me of trying to start ****e and that dogs will be dogs, so there is no point in talking to them.

Last year two of their dogs attacked our neighbours pet goats and almost killed them, and the neighbours alcoholic boyfriend went out and shot both the dogs.

I don't know what to do! If I report them am I just making it worse for the dogs and I'm also worried the alcoholic boyfriend will shoot my dogs

shruikan2553

I would report them to ISPCA and the gardai if the guy next door is using his gun when drunk. They probably can't do anything but they should at least keep an eye on things.

Penny Tration

Report them. Reporting them will only make it better for the dogs, not worse.

MagicIRL

Report them to the ISPCA.

Report them to the Gardai.

Report them to your local TD.

Report them to the NRA (If we even have one?) and they'll give you some advice I'd imagine.

And if all that doesn't work- Talk to Joe.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

It's a disgrace Joe! I need some compensation for the stress!

Frosty McSnowballs

Just fcuking report them OP

Why let the dog go through all that sh1t because of societies misguided principles on not "ratting" people out.

Fcuk them, cnuts.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Just fcuking report them OP

Why let the dog go through all that sh1t because of societies misguided principles on not "ratting" people out.

Fcuk them, cnuts.

I'm worried for my own dogs. He's already threatened to shoot my brother, when he was drunk. I would lose my life if anything happened my dogs

Rhys Essien

OP,these people should be left nowhere near animals.

biko

You should have reported them when the hungry dog broke away. Waiting this long only makes things worse.
The neighbours sound like a right pair of scummies, probably already known by the gardai.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Rhys Essien wrote: »

OP,these people should be left nowhere near animals.

I know! They used to have a horse that was eating clay, used to break out and just go along eating grass in the neighbours lawns and the side of the road, I remember my dad had bales of hay spare that he gave them for the horse and they acted like they were doing my dad a favour, taking it off his hands!

kiffer

Yes, report them...

This isn't like they're stealing cable TV, or don't have a TV licence or are hiding a member of the IRA.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

biko wrote: »

You should have reported them when the hungry dog broke away. Waiting this long only makes things worse.
The neighbours sound like a right pair of scummies, probably already known by the gardai.

They're not though! They're the type who would be trying to keep up with everyone else, fancy cars and put on accents, and not a pot to piss in!! The whole neighbourhood is talking about them.

Kimbot

He has threatened to shoot someone, I would be ringing the ISPCA and the Guards and get them both talking to one another in this case.

Menas

Report them. If we Irish were not so good at looking the other way this country would be a lot better than it already is!

moycullen14

I'd have no problem reporting anyone with respect to animals.

Came across two guys the other evening walking a pit-bull terrier in a a residential area. The dog was not muzzled. On to the guards like a shot. The carnage these dogs could cause if they get loose is incredible.

SeanW

Why in f*** are you still wondering whether you should report these people, they sound like scum?

It's not like they didn't pay their road tax or something.

SEPT 23 1989

Cruelty to children/animals or if i got poisoned eating out of a food establishment are the only times i would lift the phone and report it to the state

anything else not a chance

Frosty McSnowballs

The trick is to shoot them before they shoot you.

There are ways to deal with that type of person. But first step is AGS.

Best of luck

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Well guys, I called the ISPCA and they didn't seem to want to know at all. If the dogs don't look emancipated, then that's okay. It's not a crime to chain up your dog, or it's not a crime to shoot your dog! It's only a crime to cause them pain and suffering. So as long as the dogs being fed (doesn't matter where it's being fed apparently!) it's alright!


What a shower of asswanks.

Knex*

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well guys, I called the ISPCA and they didn't seem to want to know at all. If the dogs don't look emancipated, then that's okay. It's not a crime to chain up your dog, or it's not a crime to shoot your dog! It's only a crime to cause them pain and suffering. So as long as the dogs being fed (doesn't matter where it's being fed apparently!) it's alright!


What a shower of asswanks.

That's pretty disappointing news. Sorry to hear it, OP.

On the other hand, 'asswanks', is definitely my new favourite insult.

SEPT 23 1989

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well guys, I called the ISPCA and they didn't seem to want to know at all. If the dogs don't look emancipated, then that's okay. It's not a crime to chain up your dog, or it's not a crime to shoot your dog! It's only a crime to cause them pain and suffering. So as long as the dogs being fed (doesn't matter where it's being fed apparently!) it's alright!


What a shower of asswanks.

the disgraceful thing is that no matter what state the animal is in the scumbag who owns it has to sign it over to the ISPCA before they can take them away

Philo Beddoe

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well guys, I called the ISPCA and they didn't seem to want to know at all. If the dogs don't look emancipated, then that's okay. It's not a crime to chain up your dog, or it's not a crime to shoot your dog!

If only we had a Lincoln or an O'Connell to stand up for these dogs and break their shackles.

donegal__road

OP I have been on the verge of doing the same. A family on the same road as me have a large dog, a Toki I think, which has been on a chain in their garage since I moved to this area 8 years ago.

I feel very sorry for the dog, it sits in an open barn day in day out, on this chain. I have seen them take it out for a walk only a handful of times. It is a large dog and looks well fed, but it has no company. The thought has occurred to me that it might bolt sometime when it is released from this chain.. but it is getting older and my guess is that it will live out its days in this barn as a prisoner.

Vojera

At the very least you should now start keeping a diary of their antisocial behaviour, be it threats, noise or mistreatment of the dogs. It's much harder for the guards or the ISPCA to ignore you when you have something like that to show them.

MRnotlob606

Does you're neighbor look canine ?

Warper

Reporting incidents of sustained cruelty to an indefensible human/animal is fully justified.

Reporting incidents of fraudulent financial gain is a scummy thing to do.

Billgirlylegs

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Report them. If we Irish were not so good at looking the other way this country would be a lot better than it already is!

Excellent point

Animal cruelty
dangerous dogs
damage to property
threatening behaviour
shooting animals
threatening to shoot animals
threatening to shoot people

What is it you think can get worse by you reporting these model citizens to the authorities ?
By the way, I would go immediately to An Garda Siochana, and put it all in writing.
They will contact ISPCA to look after the dog issue

FTA69

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Last year two of their dogs attacked our neighbours pet goats and almost killed them, and the neighbours alcoholic boyfriend went out and shot both the dogs.

Where are you living? 1970s Mississippi?

Philo Beddoe

FTA69 wrote: »

Where are you living? 1970s Mississippi?

Has Mississippi changed noticeably since the 1970s?

blackwhite

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm worried for my own dogs. He's already threatened to shoot my brother, when he was drunk. I would lose my life if anything happened my dogs

Whatever about the cruelty to animals, which the ISPCA don't seem to care about, someone threatening to shoot somebody - drunk or otherwise - is something that definitely should have been reported to the guards.

Menas

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

Excellent point

Animal cruelty
dangerous dogs
damage to property
threatening behaviour
shooting animals
threatening to shoot animals
threatening to shoot people

What is it you think can get worse by you reporting these model citizens to the authorities ?
By the way, I would go immediately to An Garda Siochana, and put it all in writing.
They will contact ISPCA to look after the dog issue

I think you misread my post. Try again.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

blackwhite wrote: »

Whatever about the cruelty to animals, which the ISPCA don't seem to care about, someone threatening to shoot somebody - drunk or otherwise - is something that definitely should have been reported to the guards.

He drinks and drives a lot so I'm waiting to report him for that instead, the next time I know he's doing it. That's what I'm really asking, when is ratting out acceptable?

looking_around

LexieOnRale wrote: »

He drinks and drives a lot so I'm waiting to report him for that instead, the next time I know he's doing it. That's what I'm really asking, when is ratting out acceptable?

I think you should be asking.

is when is it not?

Stop calling it "ratting out". You make it sound like it's a bad thing, to report dangerous people.

fineso.mom

I understand you care about your dogs and don't want anything to happen to them , I'd feel the same, but.......he threatened to shoot your brother ?!!!
Why didn't your brother report him to the guards ?

Sleepy

Relevant Orange is the new Black Quote:

"you know who made up that never snitch bull****? People who probably deserved to be snitched on."

Cianos

LexieOnRale wrote: »

He drinks and drives a lot so I'm waiting to report him for that instead, the next time I know he's doing it. That's what I'm really asking, when is ratting out acceptable?

A guy I used to live with often had his friend over for cans. Your man would drive over on his motorbike and drive home again. One night I saw him drop his bike on the ground coming out of the driveway. After that I told my housemate that if he's over drinking again and drives home I'll be reporting him. My housemate was pissed off and said it was none of my business. But it didn't happen after that, as far as I could tell.

I didn't feel good about ratting someone out, so I gave them a warning instead, but even if I didn't have the choice of giving a warning I wouldn't have had a problem reporting him - knowing that I could have prevented a fatal accident would have been a big weight to carry if he ended up killing someone because of his selfishness/laziness.

everlast75

LexieOnRale wrote: »

He drinks and drives a lot so I'm waiting to report him for that instead, the next time I know he's doing it. That's what I'm really asking, when is ratting out acceptable?

He sounds like scum of the earth.

Report him when he drink drives - you could end up saving some innocent lives by doing so.

Tying up a dog IS cruelty - http://www.unchainyourdog.org/Facts.htm
Keep up on the pressure regarding the cruelty.

Make a note of other bits he does wrong and report him for that to.

Make his life as difficult as he is making for that poor animal.

Oh - and club him over the head if you can someday if you can get away with it!

dirkmeister

My brother and I were driving in a city centre about 5 weeks ago, Sunday at 7pm. A car pulled out in front of us and was clearly being driven by a drunk person,missing cars and pedestrians. He rang the Garda station and was just asked "are you prepared to make a statement?"

Sounds silly but you'd feel like answering "no, but are you prepared to make a call and get somebody to do their f#%king job and stop this lad?"

Moral of the story:report away but unless you're prepared to go to court then IMO it could be fruitless.

blackwhite

LexieOnRale wrote: »

He drinks and drives a lot so I'm waiting to report him for that instead, the next time I know he's doing it. That's what I'm really asking, when is ratting out acceptable?

If someone is doing something that has the potential to harm others (be it other people, animals, or other people's property) then reporting it to the relevant authorities is not just acceptable, but IMO is your responsibility.

If the authorities decide that they aren't breaking any laws then no harm done.

I'd take the same attitude to someone committing fraud/tax evasion also - it's expecting everyone else to pay because they think that they are a special case.

Ireland has an extremely unhealthy attitude towards reporting law-breaking - an example being anyone who does so being labelled a "rat."

hatrickpatrick

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Last year two of their dogs attacked our neighbours pet goats and almost killed them, and the neighbours alcoholic boyfriend went out and shot both the dogs.

I don't know what to do! If I report them am I just making it worse for the dogs and I'm also worried the alcoholic boyfriend will shoot my dogs

Holy f*ck, having nice, friendly, non psycho neighbours is something I've always taken for granted, and apparently shouldn't have. This reads like a description of a family from Hollyoaks! :eek:

eisenberg1

Lexie, report the fcuker, and sleep like a baby, I wouldn't give it a second thought.