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Revised Focus ST gets diesel option.
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30-06-2014 9:07am#1Thankfully they didn't call it an STD!
182bhp, lots of torque, €200p.a. motor tax.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Ford-Focus-ST-facelift-2014-unveiled/1
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No!Henry Ford III wrote: »Cosworth don't make diesels do they?
No doubt it does, but all I have is an opinion!Henry Ford III wrote: »p.s. Never realised petrol snobbery existed.
Of course not, that's the whole bloody point!Henry Ford III wrote: »...Subject to correction but RS/Cosworth have never had diesel powerplants... 0 -
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Henry Ford III wrote: »Funnily enough all things being the same I'd much prefer petrol engines.
I'm the total opposite.A nice powerful petrol engine replaced by an average (in todays terms), low revving un-charismatic and probably heavier engine. That just puts me off completely.
That's the key here. Some guys love revving the bollix out of a car. Mainly its old-fashioned petrol heads. I don't like it at all. I love effortless acceleration from a torquey engine. One way of having that is by buying a big V8 but in this Country you'd have to either be semi-rich or have been dropped on your nut as a child (Cleveland). So the alternative is a daysul. And a great alternative it is too.
No more noisy ragging of little petrol engines and no more having to work an extra job to keep it filled up with fuel.
Long live the SSSSSSSHMOKE!
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I'm the total opposite.
That's the key here. Some guys love revving the bollix out of a car. Mainly its old-fashioned petrol heads. I don't like it at all. I love effortless acceleration from a torquey engine. One way of having that is by buying a big V8 but in this Country you'd have to either be semi-rich or have been dropped on your nut as a child (Cleveland). So the alternative is a daysul. And a great alternative it is too.
No more noisy ragging of little petrol engines and no more having to work an extra job to keep it filled up with fuel.
Long live the SSSSSSSHMOKE!
Petrol turbo's like the ST's original engine and golf gti have huge usable torque too, plus the ability to rev with some character and enjoyment. They have also become more economical and cheaper to tax.It wouldn't say that. I'd say you're talking more towards the top end there.
The average power from a 2 liter daysul would be sub 150
Maybe I should have clarified, it's average compared to the cars rivals. The golf GTD is 184bhp, BMW 1 series somewhere around that too.0 -
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Henry Ford III wrote: »184bhp is a lot - relatively. I wonder what the average car bhp for the country might be? Under 100 maybe?
Fair point. I'd say it'd be around the ton mark.
Our roads in general are small and the Country itself is small so 184 isn't a bad bit of power a'tall to have in a relatively small car. Besides, the torque is the important figure here
In north America or somewhere though, it ain't that much.0 -
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Fair point. I'd say it'd be around the ton mark.
Our roads in general are small and the Country itself is small so 184 isn't a bad bit of power a'tall to have in a relatively small car. Besides, the torque is the important figure here
In north America or somewhere though, it ain't that much.
There is no logic or formula where you can equate the amount of horse power a car has to the size of the country and decide if it's a good or a bad thing, that's gas (pardon the pun) 0 -
There is no logic or formula where you can equate the amount of horse power a car has to the size of the country and decide if it's a good or a bad thing, that's gas (pardon the pun)
Its good then that I didn't
I never said anything about something being "good or bad" but of course the power and speed of a car is relative to the conditions in which it'll be driven. And if you don't know what I mean between a good level of power for our little Country (and its roads) and it not being the same thing in, for example the USA, then there's no point in taking this any further.
I would say anyone who's driven in different environments around the World knows exactly what I'm talking about 0 -
Its good then that I didn't
I never said anything about something being "good or bad" but of course the power and speed of a car is relative to the conditions in which it'll be driven. And if you don't know what I mean between a good level of power for our little Country (and its roads) and it not being the same thing in, for example the USA, then there's no point in taking this any further.
I would say anyone who's driven in different environments around the World knows exactly what I'm talking about
For years, most of the US were travelling in 6 or 8 cylinder engines that didn't have more than 150bhp. They were however very torquey. In real world driving we use torque alot more than peak BHP.
I'm not sure if that supports or detracts from your argument Jesus :pac:0 -
Its good then that I didn't
I never said anything about something being "good or bad" but of course the power and speed of a car is relative to the conditions in which it'll be driven. And if you don't know what I mean between a good level of power for our little Country (and its roads) and it not being the same thing in, for example the USA, then there's no point in taking this any further.
I would say anyone who's driven in different environments around the World knows exactly what I'm talking about
I've driven in a few different environments. A car with 300bhp with get up to speed as quickly leaving Dublin on the M7 as it will leaving Munich, Chicago or any other city, you will also be able to enjoy said car as much on a B road in any of these environments. Similarly an unde-powered or slow car will be as limiting in Ireland as it is in America.
You saidOur roads in general are small and the Country itself is small so 184 isn't a bad bit of power a'tall to have in a relatively small car. Besides, the torque is the important figure here
In north America or somewhere though, it ain't that much.
You are clearly trying to say that small horsepower in a small country isn't bad, but small horsepower in a big country is bad, relative of course 0 -
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You are clearly trying to say that small horsepower in a small country isn't bad, but small horsepower in a big country is bad, relative of course
No. Not what I said. You're finding it hard to grasp for some reason bro.
This is very simple Tossy and you either agree with it or not: A certain amount of power might be more than adequate for driving in Ireland but wouldn't be for a huge Country with straight wide roads like, for example, the USA.
I can't make it any plainer than that. You might disagree with that and more luck to you.
But its as obvious as the day is long to me 0 -
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No. Not what I said. You're finding it hard to grasp for some reason bro.
This is very simple Tossy and you either agree with it or not: A certain amount of power might be more than adequate for driving in Ireland but wouldn't be for a huge Country with straight wide roads like, for example, the USA.
I can't make it any plainer than that. You might disagree with that and more luck to you.
But its as obvious as the day is long to me
Continuing the USA comparison that you made earlier, I don't see why you'd need 250bhp+ to cruise everywhere at 55mph :cool:
What would be more needed is torque, specifically low down torque, to assist with acceleration from 40-55 and back when needed.0 -
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No. Not what I said. You're finding it hard to grasp for some reason bro.
This is very simple Tossy and you either agree with it or not: A certain amount of power might be more than adequate for driving in Ireland but wouldn't be for a huge Country with straight wide roads like, for example, the USA.
I can't make it any plainer than that. You might disagree with that and more luck to you.
But its as obvious as the day is long to me
Speed limits are easily achieved in most cars, no matter the size of country.
1l diesels for everybody!0 -
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Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »Continuing the USA comparison that you made earlier, I don't see why you'd need 250bhp+ to cruise everywhere at 55mph :cool:
What would be more needed is torque, specifically low down torque, to assist with acceleration from 40-55 and back when needed.
Correct-and-right. Case-in-point, the Cadillac V16 engine from the late '30s. We've been moving steadily backwards since. 0 -
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