Farmer seeks Jobbridge Labourer

yourpics

Any opinions on this? I think this is shocking exploitation

Description
The intern will gain practical experience in grading and packing potatoes, taking orders and deliveries, driving a forklift. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following Health and Safety, quality control of products, operating forklift and other machinery. On completion the intern will have attained skills in proper grading of potatoes, driving a forklift and operating other machinery and the general knowledge of the day to day running of our business.

Skills Requirements
Must have a drivers licence, be willing to work well with others, work on their own initiative, Some heavy lifting involved.

Please Note:
This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

Department
Floor department

Mentor
The Organisation will assign a mentor to support you during the Internship.

Duration
9 Months

Number of Positions
1

Contract Type
Other

Days, Hours & Start Date
Days per week: To be Advised
Hours per day: Not specified
Hours per week: 30
Start Date: TBC

Experience Required:
No Experience Required
Education Requirements:
Junior Certificate - or equivalent

Nekarsulm

Sounds just like the three months placement at the end of the old Green Cert course. Only difference, then you got £50 plus your bed and board, and no €150 social payment.

Damo810

The whole scheme is nothing but an exploitation of unemployed people so the governments figures look better than they really are. There was an advert from Kerry I think it was, looking for cleaners in an office, since when did you need experience when it came to cleaning an office? scheme helps nobody.

grimbergen

I know people who have gone onto good things having partcipated on the Jobbridge but think it's more appropriate to professional/skilled people for them to show they can implement their skills, get some experience etc.. This ad for a potatao picker though is exploitation pure and simple, shocking stuff taking advantage like that. You'd love to expose the greedy so and so doing this

Sam Kade

I know a few employers that have jobbridge workers and they will do as little as humanly possible.

blinding

Sam Kade wrote: »

I know a few employers that have jobbridge workers and they will do as little as humanly possible.

Its sad to hear that these employers will do as little as possible !

Is that why they are looking for cheap exploitative labour !

Sam Kade

blinding wrote: »

Its sad to hear that these employers will do as little as possible !

Is that why they are looking for cheap exploitative labour !

Very funny :rolleyes: 20 hours at €10/hour, hardly cheap labour.

pillphil

30 hours for this one, 40 normally and the employer doesn't pay anything

BattleCorp

Yes, it does seem to be exploitation.

One small positive. The trainee would at least get trained to drive a forklift.

Sam Kade

pillphil wrote: »

30 hours for this one, 40 normally and the employer doesn't pay anything

Didn't know that so anyone under 22 getting 100/week could get an extra 50 on this scheme an end up working 40 hours for 3.75/hour :eek:

Littlehorny

Pure exploitation, its a job packing spuds! Training and gaining experience me hole! The social welfare office should have told this miserable git to take a hike. Also an employer can't give you forklift experience, they have to send you on the forklift drivers course to learn all the basics and most importantly the safety side of using one. There is no way that employer will spend money to send en intern on a course.

moy83

I know they wont gain a wealth of experience packing spuds but its a bad day you won't learn something new no matter what job you're doing .
It must be a positive point on a CV aswell to see someone will get up and work even though they are only getting €50 P/W for their troubles .

I agree this jobsbridge favours the employers more than the employees

Amalgam

There is experience to be gained.. as in, shaping a work and life rhythm into someone's routine, possibly someone that hasn't got up before X am, for a long long time. That's experience too, in a way, whatever the work.

ekimiam

Amalgam wrote: »

There is experience to be gained.. as in, shaping a work and life rhythm into someone's routine, possibly someone that hasn't got up before X am, for a long long time. That's experience too, in a way, whatever the work.

then pay them min wage for the 30 hours, from the company, ending in 3 months with no problem signing back on

sandydan

Amalgam wrote: »

There is experience to be gained.. as in, shaping a work and life rhythm into someone's routine, possibly someone that hasn't got up before X am, for a long long time. That's experience too, in a way, whatever the work.

gaining experience is one thing ,what about zero hours contracts,called for one or two hours,sent home 4 days a week,cant sign on for rest of week either and cant refuse to go to work either as payment stopped for 9 weeks otherwise,where's the moral justification for that,extra value in shareholders pockets, no prsi payments either.
what will next election results be like

tomwaterford

BattleCorp wrote: »

Yes, it does seem to be exploitation.

One small positive. The trainee would at least get trained to drive a forklift.

sure you could learn that after 20 mins....im sure the employer isn't going to pay for a three day forklift course....if they cant be bothered paying them the wages

Miname

maybe it will help to show some over-qualified self important lye about the meaning of work.
I actually know someone who took up a previous position with the company who had that advertised, they absolutalely hated it and finally accepted that after lyeing up for nearly 2 years waiting for their ideal job that anything even slightly resembling their trained profession was better than this, so actually went out and tried to get something and have since found fulltime work.

A bit of hard work and even being taken advantage off is a sure way to help some people realise life isnt all about lyeing up and getting their next welfare payment.

Sulla Felix

Miname wrote: »

maybe it will help to show some over-qualified self important lye about the meaning of work.
I actually know someone who took up a previous position with the company who had that advertised, they absolutalely hated it and finally accepted that after lyeing up for nearly 2 years waiting for their ideal job that anything even slightly resembling their trained profession was better than this, so actually went out and tried to get something and have since found fulltime work.

A bit of hard work and even being taken advantage off is a sure way to help some people realise life isnt all about lyeing up and getting their next welfare payment.

You're absolutely right. If anything we should be encouraging more people to take advantage of others, what could go wrong?

893bet

Miname wrote: »

maybe it will help to show some over-qualified self important lye about the meaning of work.
I actually know someone who took up a previous position with the company who had that advertised, they absolutalely hated it and finally accepted that after lyeing up for nearly 2 years waiting for their ideal job that anything even slightly resembling their trained profession was better than this, so actually went out and tried to get something and have since found fulltime work.

A bit of hard work and even being taken advantage off is a sure way to help some people realise life isnt all about lyeing up and getting their next welfare payment.

Jesus this post is depressing. What if the poor sod who gets the "job' isnted over qualified? Or a layabout? What if it's just some guy who wants a job and takes it for the bare 50 extra. At the end of the nine months there is no job for him. However the company had their free worker and now can create a different position and readvertise it. Not the fella has all this potatoe picking experience.....great.


Jobs bridge has it's merit. But it is only effective for semi skilled work or better. Jobs such as cleaning, security, spud packing is exploitation plain and simple.

kneemos

It's basically putting spuds in a bag.
Hope there's free dinners at least.

sandydan

tomwaterford wrote: »

sure you could learn that after 20 mins....im sure the employer isn't going to pay for a three day forklift course....if they cant be bothered paying them the wages

you cant learn to drive forklift in 20 mins if a complete beginner,to uk standards its about three weeks rules regs exams and all.anyhow employers arent paying for forklift courses totally,they get a rebate for all training, not fully sure how its done but at end of day its virtually self financing as well as insurance requiremeint,

sandydan

kneemos wrote: »

It's basically putting spuds in a bag.
Hope there's free dinners at least.

know a farmer who new had farm apprentice spreading slurry on out-farm near a town, told him no need for dinner stops, when near town ring takeaway,gave him number, collect grub and eat while spreading slurry , kid you not, health and safety regulations my foot

O2b

Something is seriously wrong in this country.

I am lucky enough to have a full time off farm job.

Should i loose my job in the morning,and not be able to find a job in my field, not only would i take this job, but id work so hard at it they could only justify employing me full time doing it. Id do anything to provide.

Some peoples attitude in this country is very wrong.

No lazy person i know ever emigrated!! Ask yourself why.

kneemos

O2b wrote: »

Something is seriously wrong in this country.

I am lucky enough to have a full time off farm job.

Should i loose my job in the morning,and not be able to find a job in my field, not only would i take this job, but id work so hard at it they could only justify employing me full time doing it. Id do anything to provide.

Some peoples attitude in this country is very wrong.

No lazy person i know ever emigrated!! Ask yourself why.

Why would they employ you when they could get someone for free?

Farmer Pudsey

O2b wrote: »

Something is seriously wrong in this country.

I am lucky enough to have a full time off farm job.

Should i loose my job in the morning,and not be able to find a job in my field, not only would i take this job, but id work so hard at it they could only justify employing me full time doing it. Id do anything to provide.

Some peoples attitude in this country is very wrong.

No lazy person i know ever emigrated!! Ask yourself why.

Using jobbridge for unskilled work is a disgrace. If you put someone packing spuds and after 2-3 days he is unsuitable you can let him go no repucussions. You are deluded if you think the lad advertising this position will give you a career down the line.

Jobbridge is suitable for high skilled work, not even sure that it is suitable for semi skilled. Maybe it would be suitable to an employer who wanted a truck drive and took on someone that did not have the licience and provided him with the training, however cannot see an employer doing that as most insist on worker having the licience.

The spud packing is pure expliotation and should not be allowed. I agree that very few long term unemployed are interested in emigrating however that is no reason for this crap. It also put legitimate employers at a disadvantage. If MicraX has three lads packing spuds this guy can under cut him as his wage bill will be 1200+ less/week. So micraX loses money and other farmers is provoding cheap potatoes to the supermarkets.

Miname

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Using jobbridge for unskilled work is a disgrace. If you put someone packing spuds and after 2-3 days he is unsuitable you can let him go no repucussions. You are deluded if you think the lad advertising this position will give you a career down the line.

Jobbridge is suitable for high skilled work, not even sure that it is suitable for semi skilled. Maybe it would be suitable to an employer who wanted a truck drive and took on someone that did not have the licience and provided him with the training, however cannot see an employer doing that as most insist on worker having the licience.

The spud packing is pure expliotation and should not be allowed. I agree that very few long term unemployed are interested in emigrating however that is no reason for this crap. It also put legitimate employers at a disadvantage. If MicraX has three lads packing spuds this guy can under cut him as his wage bill will be 1200+ less/week. So micraX loses money and other farmers is provoding cheap potatoes to the supermarkets.

Theres nothing topping micrax from hiring people through job-bridge. the more people that get working the better. I have to regularly deal with co.co contracts here and its an absolute disgrace the number of people lying up, physically fit and just couldnt be arsed because there isnt a job out there that suits them. Everyone out there who is physically or mentaly fit should be put out there on some form of job-bridge or the likes scheme and be made do something for their social. At least they are contributing something towards society.

kneemos

Miname wrote: »

Theres nothing topping micrax from hiring people through job-bridge. the more people that get working the better. I have to regularly deal with co.co contracts here and its an absolute disgrace the number of people lying up, physically fit and just couldnt be arsed because there isnt a job out there that suits them. Everyone out there who is physically or mentaly fit should be put out there on some form of job-bridge or the likes scheme and be made do something for their social. At least they are contributing something towards society.

Most unemployed would jump at the chance but like the spud picking job you don't want to remove genuine jobs from the market.

Farmer Pudsey

Miname wrote: »

Theres nothing topping micrax from hiring people through job-bridge. the more people that get working the better. I have to regularly deal with co.co contracts here and its an absolute disgrace the number of people lying up, physically fit and just couldnt be arsed because there isnt a job out there that suits them. Everyone out there who is physically or mentaly fit should be put out there on some form of job-bridge or the likes scheme and be made do something for their social. At least they are contributing something towards society.

But if he already has people employed and is not expanding then he cannot use jobbridge. The reality is that at the lower end of the employment jobbridge can be used to distort competition.

Take an example a cleaning contract is being applied for by two companies one has existing resources the other decides to use jobbridge employees. The company using jobbridge will win. Now the other company has to let employees go. Net difference is taht the same number of people on the dole.

The other thing is that layabouts will not use jobbridge only those will to work. The way to discourage career welfareism is to reduce payments over time.

Using sudsidize low skilled labour in the private sector is a disaster to companies that work by the book. I agree that no one should receive welfare longterm however using these to supply cheap labour to private sector companies would be a disaster. Using them in social and community projects is not working either the best method is to cut assistance over time. If after two years on welfare payments were cut by 20% would that encourage people to start looking for work after 18 months.

I see that even the cutting of payments to 100/week did not discourage younger potential career welfare recipients. But it costs less

kneemos

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

But if he already has people employed and is not expanding then he cannot use jobbridge. The reality is that at the lower end of the employment jobbridge can be used to distort competition.

Take an example a cleaning contract is being applied for by two companies one has existing resources the other decides to use jobbridge employees. The company using jobbridge will win. Now the other company has to let employees go. Net difference is taht the same number of people on the dole.

The other thing is that layabouts will not use jobbridge only those will to work. The way to discourage career welfareism is to reduce payments over time.

Using sudsidize low skilled labour in the private sector is a disaster to companies that work by the book. I agree that no one should receive welfare longterm however using these to supply cheap labour to private sector companies would be a disaster. Using them in social and community projects is not working either the best method is to cut assistance over time. If after two years on welfare payments were cut by 20% would that encourage people to start looking for work after 18 months.

I see that even the cutting of payments to 100/week did not discourage younger potential career welfare recipients. But it costs less

How hard is it to understand that there aren't any jobs?that's why the reduction in payments hasn't made a difference.

Miname

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

But if he already has people employed and is not expanding then he cannot use jobbridge. The reality is that at the lower end of the employment jobbridge can be used to distort competition.

Take an example a cleaning contract is being applied for by two companies one has existing resources the other decides to use jobbridge employees. The company using jobbridge will win. Now the other company has to let employees go. Net difference is taht the same number of people on the dole.

The other thing is that layabouts will not use jobbridge only those will to work. The way to discourage career welfareism is to reduce payments over time.

what i'm seeing is the opposite end however. i had a 17 year old school goer tell me he wanted e12 an hour, this lad couldnt even handle a sweeping brush. i had a fourth year apprentice come back from fas annd tell me he was entitled to e675 take home per week. i think a lot of the problem is young people who have themselves up on pedestals thinking that they are little superstars that deserve the sun moon and stars.

Using sudsidize low skilled labour in the private sector is a disaster to companies that work by the book. I agree that no one should receive welfare longterm however using these to supply cheap labour to private sector companies would be a disaster. Using them in social and community projects is not working either the best method is to cut assistance over time. If after two years on welfare payments were cut by 20% would that encourage people to start looking for work after 18 months.

I see that even the cutting of payments to 100/week did not discourage younger potential career welfare recipients. But it costs less

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flutered

Sam Kade wrote: »

I know a few employers that have jobbridge workers and they will do as little as humanly possible.

i for one do not blame them, they are really getting less than they were on the dole, travel costs, food, clothes, shoes, etc, etc, give them one bit of credit that perhaps they have realised what way the wind was blowing as regards future prospects with the firm, also that they were going to gain nothing from their time.

Farmer Pudsey

kneemos wrote: »

How hard is it to understand that there aren't any jobs?that's why the reduction in payments hasn't made a difference.

The reduction has made a difference to the extent that most with a bit of get up and go have got jobs and filter in and out of work where possible. However there are those that either will not work for less than 500/week or are disinclined to work and these should not be rewarded and it should be discouraged especially with younger workers.

You look at students of parents that get no grants well over 90% have some sort of part time job or other, wheater it is in a shop, gym etc. None of the candidates I see seem willing to take that sort of work

O2b

Valid point in relation to exploitation of unskilled work. This scheme is suited to skilled work and can be exploited. Let people who are recieving payments work for it though in some shape or form.

I agree that the only way to change attitudes is to cut welfare payments, i would say though far more frequent than 20% ever two years.

Who says there are no jobs out there?? I know for a fact that if i was unemployed in the morning id find work doing something.

The issue in this country is not people who genuinely have fallen on hard times its inherent lazy people who see their life career as being on welfare , and believe they are well intitled to it. Farming families, more often than not, have hard working morales.

sandydan

O2b wrote: »

Who says there are no jobs out there?? I know for a fact that if i was unemployed in the morning id find work doing something. .

if you are over 45 youd better hope you never find yourself out of work until economy recovers. 6 months stamps ,means test,savings and property over €20,000 reduces payment €2 /week.over €40000 reduces €4/per €1000. FAS courses useless,and employers looking for those unemployed over 2 years to get €120 subsidy at min wage
if over 50. where are you going? sure youll be applying for pension shortly
unless you know some one stay where you are its tough out in real world, have 2 in family had to get work in last 3 years , one worked in Spain, Portugal, France. and other went back to Ed to improve on Level6 and worked evenings to fund Ed, in shops, gardens, after qualifying as carpenter 4 years ago. so mind your job ,your next may be min pay and zero hours contracts

professore

O2b wrote: »

Something is seriously wrong in this country.

I am lucky enough to have a full time off farm job.

Should i loose my job in the morning,and not be able to find a job in my field, not only would i take this job, but id work so hard at it they could only justify employing me full time doing it. Id do anything to provide.

Some peoples attitude in this country is very wrong.

No lazy person i know ever emigrated!! Ask yourself why.

You really don't understand how the world works, do you?

893bet

Miname wrote: »

Theres nothing topping micrax from hiring people through job-bridge. the more people that get working the better. I have to regularly deal with co.co contracts here and its an absolute disgrace the number of people lying up, physically fit and just couldnt be arsed because there isnt a job out there that suits them. Everyone out there who is physically or mentaly fit should be put out there on some form of job-bridge or the likes scheme and be made do something for their social. At least they are contributing something towards society.

Well thought out. Let your workers go and put them on the dole. Create different job bridge positions and rehire for free with tax payer paying the wages.

Bravo.

893bet

kneemos wrote: »

How hard is it to understand that there aren't any jobs?that's why the reduction in payments hasn't made a difference.

There are no jobs and initiatives like job bridge mean there are less. Why would anyone hire a student or casual worker for summer now when job bridge will hire for free?

sandydan

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

The reduction has made a difference to the extent that most with a bit of get up and go have got jobs and filter in and out of work where possible. However there are those that either will not work for less than 500/week or are disinclined to work and these should not be rewarded and it should be discouraged especially with younger workers.

You look at students of parents that get no grants well over 90% have some sort of part time job or other, wheater it is in a shop, gym etc. None of the candidates I see seem willing to take that sort of work

i know plenty getting no grants and have no jobs , places are still closing down in rural Ireland i know some "working" in Australia are being funded out there. a visit by revenue locally has reduced number "working " in some places. cash jobs i guess, no prsi etc so

sandydan

forgot to mention when daughter was looking for work experience a Hr position was advertised as intern, in old days it meant you got your degree and worked for 6 months free and were left go or hired. however when she applied she needed to be unemployed for min period not sure if its 12 months or not and even though she offered to work 40 hrs week for free the answer was she needed to be registed with FAS and unemployed.will some one tell me whats going on here .companies must be gaining financially from state somehow by taking on interns

ekimiam

sandydan wrote: »

forgot to mention when daughter was looking for work experience a Hr position was advertised as intern, in old days it meant you got your degree and worked for 6 months free and were left go or hired. however when she applied she needed to be unemployed for min period not sure if its 12 months or not and even though she offered to work 40 hrs week for free the answer was she needed to be registed with FAS and unemployed.will some one tell me whats going on here .companies must be gaining financially from state somehow by taking on interns

she was applying for job bridge , its for unemployed people on welfare, not for recent graduates. if they wanted to take her on as an intern, they could have done. outside of job bridge

tomwaterford

O2b wrote: »

Something is seriously wrong in this country.

I am lucky enough to have a full time off farm job.

Should i loose my job in the morning,and not be able to find a job in my field, not only would i take this job, but id work so hard at it they could only justify employing me full time doing it. Id do anything to provide.

Some peoples attitude in this country is very wrong.

No lazy person i know ever emigrated!! Ask yourself why.

they wont keep you on.....why would they...they can leave you go at end and hire someone else for free (its happening...I know of cases)
you are naïve at best if you think employers who are using jobbridge to fill unskilled positions will care....it is free labour they are after

O2b

tomwaterford wrote: »

they wont keep you on.....why would they...they can leave you go at end and hire someone else for free (its happening...I know of cases)
you are naïve at best if you think employers who are using jobbridge to fill unskilled positions will care....it is free labour they are after

True and I take the point that jobs bridge is only suitable to skilled workers, for short contracts to shows ones ability.

My frustration is with the welfare system and the way it's managed in this country. The point which I was making, and I admit was wrongly worded by me, is that if I was out of work, and could not get work in my field, I would do any kind of work. I agree jobs bridge is not a solution for unskilled labour, but I also believe there is something to benefit people having to earn their welfare payments in some form of labour.

I think a welfare system is hugely important for those who fall on hard times with work. However I feel that as a country we can not support the amount of welfare provided. People who choose to be on welfare as there "careers" in life from 18 on and people who make a conscious decision to stay on welfare as an option rather than actively looking for work....if unable in their field then elsewhere.

And anyone believes that there is not a huge problem in this country with both of the above then you are simply not living in the real world and are not in tune with what is happening around you.

Miname

893bet wrote: »

Well thought out. Let your workers go and put them on the dole. Create different job bridge positions and rehire for free with tax payer paying the wages.

Bravo.

id never let any of my lads go to pull in someone off jobbridge. ive had one lad here that was supposed to be working out at small money through one of these schemes and he was a clown to say the least. What im saying is there are far too many people out thre that think everything is beneath them and that because they went to college they are entitledd to these high flying jobs, realistically the mmajjority are good enough to get into college but dont have the abilitiess or flair to survive in the real world when all comes down to it. i had a 17 year old a couple of months back who could barely manage a sweeping brush let alone anything else try to demand e12 per hour out of me, another lad came back from his final phase in college and say that he was entitled to 675 per week. Any body who is worth there salt will be able to adapt and pick up and utilise the skills they have learned into any new environment and with this a lot of these should be able to stand out and be recognised this internships and such are a stepping stone and should be treated as such. Nobody is going to put anny good worker on the dole to be replaced by someone with no experience, theres actually a clause written into qualifying for these internships and redundancies within the company.
so bravo is right

kneemos

O2b wrote: »

True and I take the point that jobs bridge is only suitable to skilled workers, for short contracts to shows ones ability.

My frustration is with the welfare system and the way it's managed in this country. The point which I was making, and I admit was wrongly worded by me, is that if I was out of work, and could not get work in my field, I would do any kind of work. I agree jobs bridge is not a solution for unskilled labour, but I also believe there is something to benefit people having to earn their welfare payments in some form of labour.

I think a welfare system is hugely important for those who fall on hard times with work. However I feel that as a country we can not support the amount of welfare provided. People who choose to be on welfare as there "careers" in life from 18 on and people who make a conscious decision to stay on welfare as an option rather than actively looking for work....if unable in their field then elsewhere.

And anyone believes that there is not a huge problem in this country with both of the above then you are simply not living in the real world and are not in tune with what is happening around you.

The Celtic Tiger proved that everybody wants to work bar maybe one or two percent who are probably unemployable.
There's not four hundred thousand jobs out there waiting to be filled because people are too lazy to go get them.
The biggest part of the social welfare pie goes on pensions.

It's insulting and condecending to the 99% of the unemployed,over half of which are long term,to say that they don't try or are happy to live on the pittance they get from the state.

O2b

kneemos wrote: »

The Celtic Tiger proved that everybody wants to work bar maybe one or two percent who are probably unemployable.
There's not four hundred thousand jobs out there waiting to be filled because people are too lazy to go get them.
The biggest part of the social welfare pie goes on pensions.

It's insulting and condecending to the 99% of the unemployed,over half of which are long term,to say that they don't try or are happy to live on the pittance they get from the state.

No it's not condescending for those who are out there actively seeking work....because they are actively seeking work!!! It's condescending for those who aren't. And who's "unemployable"??

And by the way it's the system is flawed, not the people who abuse it in my mind. It makes more sense for some people, in a one adult out of two working household, to be on welfare
rather than working on a low income job. That is fact, and it should not be the case in any system.

sandydan

ekimiam wrote: »

she was applying for job bridge , its for unemployed people on welfare, not for recent graduates. if they wanted to take her on as an intern, they could have done. outside of job bridge

not interested if outside Fas or unemployed.so why.. but whats the financial gain
she got management job without serving internship anyhow but your missing the point i was making about the purpose of serving an internship, they always existed until present Govt messed up purpose and meaning of internship, now its used to describe any excuse to get some one to brush and wash a pub toilet or whatever,same goes for work experience as part of course ,

sandydan

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

The reduction has made a difference to the extent that most with a bit of get up and go have got jobs and filter in and out of work where possible. However there are those that either will not work for less than 500/week

For a start i do not agree with Employers paying a prsi contribution for staff.
employers should get contribution for collecting taxes per employee
employers of staff should get automatic entitlement to social welfare if business fails.
however i disagrees with begrudgery of payment for labour, economy will not recover if people haven,t money to spend
taking above into account tell me: after Tax USC etc defined payments
how much of €500 /week will single person get into their hand
how much of €500 /week will married person get into their hand
Single person /Married Person, how much/week will they need for groceries, clothes. Vhi , lodgings, laundry,electricity and meals and protective clothing if not supplied forget about mortgage payments as there is no standard.
if driving say 20km to work, how much /week is car insurance ,petrol, tyres,min car lease or rental
Forget about Social spending.just basic costs.
Joan Burton quickly forgot about paying balance of social welfare based on hours worked or earnings instead of days, that would make a lot unemployed financially better of by taking up part time employment and could be made mandatory to do so if offered

sandydan

Miname wrote: »

id never let any of my lads go to pull in someone off jobbridge. ive had one lad here that was supposed to be working out at small money through one of these schemes and he was a clown to say the least. i had a 17 year old a couple of months back who could barely manage a sweeping brush let alone anything else try to demand e12 per hour out of me, another lad came back from his final phase in college and say that he was entitled to 675 per week. Any body who is worth there salt will be able to adapt and pick up and utilise the skills they have learned into any new environment and with this a lot of these should be able to stand out and be recognised this internships and such are a stepping stone and should be treated as such.

not contradicting what you are saying,but what you describe occurred regularly until boss stopped it,in place where graduates were taken on for periods during summer ,what they were told and advised to do by resident staff would make a crow blush to say the least and some of what you describe happened on regular basis, eg demanding pay rise,told x demanded and got it.sent to lady in office looking for w machine,not funny. some took revenge in real nasty way when they realized they were being clowns of

Farmer Pudsey

sandydan wrote: »

For a start i do not agree with Employers paying a prsi contribution for staff.
employers should get contribution for collecting taxes per employee
employers of staff should get automatic entitlement to social welfare if business fails.
however i disagrees with begrudgery of payment for labour, economy will not recover if people haven,t money to spend
taking above into account tell me: after Tax USC etc defined payments
how much of €500 /week will single person get into their hand
how much of €500 /week will married person get into their hand
Single person /Married Person, how much/week will they need for groceries, clothes. Vhi , lodgings, laundry,electricity and meals and protective clothing if not supplied forget about mortgage payments as there is no standard.
if driving say 20km to work, how much /week is car insurance ,petrol, tyres,min car lease or rental
Forget about Social spending.just basic costs.
Joan Burton quickly forgot about paying balance of social welfare based on hours worked or earnings instead of days, that would make a lot unemployed financially better of by taking up part time employment and could be made mandatory to do so if offered

A single person will get 422 and a married person will get 453/week. However for an employer to pay 500/week costs an employer 632/week for every week worked.

It is extremely hard for an employer to compete with the Irish welfare system. And yes I know the costs of commuting and all other costs. On top of that when a married couple hit 60ish K they have to fund 3rd level education themselves. The reality is that our welfare system is extremely generous and gives a quite comfortable standard of living to some.

sandydan

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

A single person will get 422 and a married person will get 453/week. However for an employer to pay 500/week costs an employer 632/week for every week worked.

It is extremely hard for an employer to compete with the Irish welfare system. And yes I know the costs of commuting and all other costs. On top of that when a married couple hit 60ish K they have to fund 3rd level education themselves. The reality is that our welfare system is extremely generous and gives a quite comfortable standard of living to some.

ok how much of that €632 is prsi related which is a tax on employment, when i started work i paid an insurance and stamp and insurance covered medical costs as public patient.but thats useless nowadays ,had stomach probe a while back had vhi,as public patient would wait 2 years, got it in 6 weeks.person worked for 42 years and was made redundant a few years back due to rationalization,so tried all jobs .most went well until interview came,and ageism became apparent,was asked by one lady if was under 70 as insurance didn't cover,when stamps ran out farm assist was only option minus means,which doesn,t include depreciation,among other things. tried various ce schemes and was told off record they take young ones to get them used to working .its soul destroying to say least.

kevthegaff

The girlfriend from poland is on jobsbridge with an accountancy firm, from the sounds of things it seems complete exoloitation, long hours while doing her exams. Shes not allowed her phone at work, and is dealing with clients as uf shes fully qualified,. Theres a small amount of irish employers are complete s**ts incl farmers especially to foreign workers. Can anything be done about it??