Irish Derby

hucklebuck

Does anyone know the current going at The Curragh?

Very tempted to take Australia on.

Theresalwaysone

hucklebuck wrote: »

Does anyone know the current going at The Curragh?

Very tempted to take Australia on.

O'Brien tweeted he doesnt want soft yesterday. I'd say he might not run if it goes against him.

Anyway, it was fairly wet yesterday and last night but this morning is pretty dry.

Slattsy

Can't see it being any worse than genuinely good ground.
Forecast seems fair.

STADEdeLUC

Love this meeting getting in is just so damn expensive, it'll have to be an RTE job this year

hucklebuck

Slattsy wrote: »

Can't see it being any worse than genuinely good ground.
Forecast seems fair.

There was tons of rain in Dublin last night, if its good or softer I will take him on.

Slattsy

Yeah but the ground was good to firm for about 2 weeks.

He wont run on soft i reckon (hope).

byronbay2

http://www.goracing.ie/HRI/Fixtures-and-Results/Ground-Reports/

Going is still officially Good to Firm as of 08.15 this morning. Drop of rain yesterday and a couple of showers expected today but no possibility (imo) of anything softer than Good ground tomorrow. Hopefully Kingston Hill won't be pulled but (either way) you'll get a good price to lay Australia: I wouldn't advise it though!

Johner

Just had buckets of rain about 15 minutes from the Curragh, still raining but it's eased off a bit.

hucklebuck

It rained quite heavy in Dublin for about 6 hours last night, thought Curragh might have got some too.

Wont be laying Australia whatever happens but will back Kingston Hill against him.

Australia had his ideal course and ground last day so I would expect Kingston to swing it once the ground isnt too quick.

Francie Barrett

Over 1 million in prize money yet only 3 horses oppose Aidan O'Brien tomorrow.

bellybuster12

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Over 1 million in prize money yet only 3 horses oppose Aidan O'Brien tomorrow.

And Kingston hill owned by Paul Smith would not be a total disaster for the coolmore boys as it ups the profile of mastercraftsman. Prize money for the first 8 home with 7 runners.

Francie Barrett

Kingston Hill now a doubt :pac:

Slattsy

😞

Slattsy

That was meant to be a sad smiley face.

Stupid things.

Francie Barrett

Going remains good to firm.

Francie Barrett

Decision to be made within the hour on Kingston Hill.

Slattsy

Awful race if he doesnt run.

FIVE2_THREE

Slattsy wrote: »

Awful race if he doesnt run.

It's a race to just watch. Coolmore dominates. kind of like how Tyson dominated in the early 90's. not many people were willing to get in the ring with him and not many people are willing to get in the gate with Coolmore. Godolphin gave up long ago so there are no more threats emerging to challenge them. to the victor goes the spoils and they are the victors.

Francie Barrett

Out :pac:

Slattsy

Australia to walk past them and win.

Francie Barrett

1/10 with Paddy Power. Absolute disgrace, group 1 status should be stripped form this race if people aren't going to bother.

bellybuster12

All runners will walkaway with at least 25k:rolleyes:. Farcical derby it's turning into.

hucklebuck

Geoffrey Chaucher out now too.

The prizemoney for this should be 20k, it's looking like a prep race for the Guineas now.

Have to listen to more **** about Australia now, if he wins this they will be saying he is better than Sea The Stars :rolleyes:

CH3OH

I'm thinking of running myself, €12500 for completing the course and finishing 6th.


Seriously though, I think there were 50 entries listed for the race.
Winner €725,000 2nd €237,500 3rd €112,500 4th €37,500 5th €25,000 6th €12,500

Surely 2nd €237,500 3rd €112,500 4th €37,500 is worth trying for?

bellybuster12

CH3OH wrote: »

I'm thinking of running myself, €12500 for completing the course and finishing 6th.


Seriously though, I think there were 50 entries listed for the race.
Winner €725,000 2nd €237,500 3rd €112,500 4th €37,500 5th €25,000 6th €12,500

Surely 2nd €237,500 3rd €112,500 4th €37,500 is worth trying for?

1st - €725,000.00, 2nd - €250,000.00, 3rd - €125,000.00, 4th - €50,000.00, 5th - €37,500.00, 6th - €25,000.00, 7th - €12,500.00, 8th - €12,500.00

37.5k locked up

FIVE2_THREE

Francie Barrett wrote: »

1/10 with Paddy Power. Absolute disgrace, group 1 status should be stripped form this race if people aren't going to bother.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to even say such a thing. Are there no more owners who aim their horses at Group 1 Derbies ? Coolmore has dominated the modern era like no other before them. its not a case of people not bothering as you say its more a case of owners not having the ammunition that Coolmore has. Khalid Abudullah has the biggest broodmare band in the sport and yet he hasn't shown. Chevley Park ? Nearchos Family ? The Aga Khan ? The Qutaris ? Any of the Maktoums ? all absent because they can't compete. its not because they don't want to compete.

hucklebuck

It's probably time to restrict the number of entries from one yard in the race O Brien still has 3 of the 5 runners even withdrawing Chaucer on the day.

Probably time to close this thread too, the race isnt worth a discussion

FIVE2_THREE

hucklebuck wrote: »

It's probably time to restrict the number of entries from one yard in the race O Brien still has 3 of the 5 runners even withdrawing Chaucer on the day.

Probably time to close this thread too, the race isnt worth a discussion

You can do that but it wouldn't be the wise thing to do. if you invoke a "Coolmore Rule" limiting the amount of horses they can enter that may cost you in the end because they just may stop supporting the race at all together.

Gringo180

The Makhtoums could of ran either Tagroodha or Tarfasha in this. I think the former would go very close.

Itziger

hucklebuck wrote: »

Geoffrey Chaucher out now too.

The prizemoney for this should be 20k, it's looking like a prep race for the Guineas now.

Have to listen to more **** about Australia now, if he wins this they will be saying he is better than Sea The Stars :rolleyes:

That would be the Syrian 3,000 Guineas, yeah?

Lapin

Five in the field and one of them at 1/12.

This is not a race. It's a farce.

hucklebuck

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

You can do that but it wouldn't be the wise thing to do. if you invoke a "Coolmore Rule" limiting the amount of horses they can enter that may cost you in the end because they just may stop supporting the race at all together.

I didn't say just Coolmore.

Can't see them not supporting black type races, its the same farcical nonsense from them, entering 1,000 horses at the first stage and leaving about 8 in the week before and always withdrawing some on the day.

hucklebuck

Itziger wrote: »

That would be the Syrian 3,000 Guineas, yeah?

Whatever you like or any English or Irish 2,000 Guineas any year of your choosing

Gringo180

hucklebuck wrote: »

Whatever you like or any English or Irish 2,000 Guineas any year of your choosing

Hardly a prep race for the Guineas if they have already took place??

FIVE2_THREE

hucklebuck wrote: »

I didn't say just Coolmore.

Can't see them not supporting black type races, its the same farcical nonsense from them, entering 1,000 horses at the first stage and leaving about 8 in the week before and always withdrawing some on the day.

Should they be ashamed of the amount of talent they have ? should they declare 3 and only run one to make it "fair" ? It's idiotic to believe that the most powerful stable in the world that happens to be based in Ireland wouldn't support the Irish Derby in full force. this is a business. this is not an amusement park ride where everybody gets their turn. If people what to race in Ireland your going to have to deal with Coolmore. bottom line. same thing happens in France with the Aga Khan.

hucklebuck

Gringo180 wrote: »

Hardly a prep race for the Guineas if they have already took place??

I compared the quality of the race to a Guineas trial race, not this years Guineas trial

hucklebuck wrote: »

it's looking like a prep race for the Guineas now.

hucklebuck wrote: »

Whatever you like or any English or Irish 2,000 Guineas any year of your choosing

Gringo180

hucklebuck wrote: »

I compared the quality of the race to a Guineas trial race, not this years Guineas trial

Thats been kind to this Derby field

hucklebuck

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

Should they be ashamed of the amount of talent they have ? should they declare 3 and only run one to make it "fair" ? It's idiotic to believe that the most powerful stable in the world that happens to be based in Ireland wouldn't support the Irish Derby in full force. this is a business. this is not an amusement park ride where everybody gets their turn. If people what to race in Ireland your going to have to deal with Coolmore. bottom line. same thing happens in France with the Aga Khan.

We are talking about the poor quality of the race and you said they may not support the Derby, not sure where you are getting that I believe they won't support it when I clearly said the opposite.

The Aga Khan does not enter horses in the same manner as Coolmore and neither do Godolphin.

Something needs to be done as this is probably the worst Derby lineup in manys a year either here or in England. Nothing wrong with having a few in a race but it's the same **** from Coolmore in every half decent race.

hucklebuck

Gringo180 wrote: »

Thats been kind to this Derby field

I am absolutely stunned by the lack of quality in it, the money is almost the same as the English one but nobody wants to know.

tryfix

The quality is fine, the quantity is the problem and there's not a lot that could be done about that. The English Derby type horses had Ascot to run in where the prestige and cash were high, where they weren't going to be up against the Derby Winner and his super sub stablemates plus Oxx, Weld and Bolger.

The Irish Derby lost its mojo when the French Derby turned into an extended Guineas, with the real 12f horses in France going for the Grand Prix De Paris. We're lucky that Coolmore at least make sure that the race is still won by top horses.

FIVE2_THREE

hucklebuck wrote: »

We are talking about the poor quality of the race and you said they may not support the Derby, not sure where you are getting that I believe they won't support it when I clearly said the opposite.

The Aga Khan does not enter horses in the same manner as Coolmore and neither do Godolphin.

Something needs to be done as this is probably the worst Derby lineup in manys a year either here or in England. Nothing wrong with having a few in a race but it's the same **** from Coolmore in every half decent race.

Sounds like you're doing a bunch of crying to me. if the Juddmontes, Godolphins and Aga Khans don't want to run then its not Coolmores fault.as I said. this is a business it's not a water park slide.

Hulk Hands

Lapin wrote: »

Five in the field and one of them at 1/12.

This is not a race. It's a farce.

It's a godsend. It's the worst ew race in living history

FIVE2_THREE

tryfix wrote: »

. We're lucky that Coolmore at least make sure that the race is still won by top horses.

Exactly. Coolmore could have waited until Sandown to run Australia. Instead they chose to support the race with their best year after year. but people don't see that.people will always need something to complain about.

chinguetti

So people are blaming Coolmore for entering their horses in the premier race in the country that they're based in? And if they didn't enter their horses in the race, it would lose its Group 1 status, the sponsors would leave in droves, racing would suffer and Coolmore would be blamed too.

They haven't stopped anyone else from entering their horses in any race so if owners/trainers don't want to try and win decent place money, its hardly Coolmore's fault.

Sweet God, some of ye will never be happy and would blame Coolmore for global warming.

FIVE2_THREE

chinguetti wrote: »

So people are blaming Coolmore for entering their horses in the premier race in the country that they're based in? And if they didn't enter their horses in the race, it would lose its Group 1 status, the sponsors would leave in droves, racing would suffer and Coolmore would be blamed too.

They haven't stopped anyone else from entering their horses in any race so if owners/trainers don't want to try and win decent place money, its hardly Coolmore's fault.

Sweet God, some of ye will never be happy and would blame Coolmore for global warming.

Couldn't have said it better myself. People complain all over boards about Coolmore but they fail see the impact they have. If you move Coolmore out of the picture. the money gets moved out of the picture. and Irish horse racing dies.

Bateman

Regardless of who's fault it is, we don't have to pretend it's an interesting race because it simply isn't.

Frankie Lee

€50000 worth of prize money was up for grabs for 6th, 7th and 8th.

Harry Angstrom

They should scrap the singing bit. It's embarrassing.

BorneTobyWilde

I like Fascinating Rock, this small field will suit his style of tracking and producing late on.
Maybe he will like this ground too.

FIVE2_THREE

Frankie Lee wrote: »

€50000 worth of prize money was up for grabs for 6th, 7th and 8th.

And who would blame Coolmore for leaving that on the table ? This is a business

Harry Angstrom

Impossible to get excited about this.