Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

ThunbergsAreGo

slingerz wrote: »

they could be highly unlikely IMO.

Liverpool dont have to sell him without getting the correct fee. Barca may not wish to cough up that fee given his unavailabilty until November.

That said, I reckon the appeal will reduce his total ban given its club impact and the possibilty of clubs not wishing to release players for international duty for fear of suspensions carrying over to club level

The thing about la liga is they could comfortably beat all but two teams without him anyway

slingerz

naughtb4 wrote: »

The thing about la liga is they could comfortably beat all but two teams without him anyway

Yep although one of those teams will be weaker than last season i would imagine.

That still doesnt affect Liverpool's approach to his transfer though.

mike65

naughtb4 wrote: »

The thing about la liga is they could comfortably beat all but two teams without him anyway

Its not about the other 18 teams - its about the 19th!

Agent Coulson

£70million and Sanchez I would take that.

EuropeanSon

Agent Coulson wrote: »

£70million and Sanchez I would take that.

It's £70 million including Sanchez, I believe they mean.

Sanchez would presumably be valued somewhere around £25 million, making it £45 million plus Sanchez.

If you could get that from them you should bite their arm off.

rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

£70million and Sanchez I would take that.

Barcelona would be stupid to offer that and we would be more stupid for not accepting it.

Riesen_Meal

rob316 wrote: »

Barcelona would be stupid to offer that and we would be more stupid for not accepting it.

I agree, and if Guardiola is there, he is as good as gone imo....

Francie Barrett

If we lose Suarez then we can say goodbye to top 4.

Dont be at yourself

Somebody said it earlier, but if we're going to sell him, we need to play Madrid and Barca off each other. Barca would be rightfully terrified of competing against Ronaldo-Suarez-Bale, and Madrid likewise against Neymar-Messi-Suarez. Adding him to either team would really shift the power significantly in La Liga, and we need to use that to drive up the price.

£50 million is ridiculous -- you'd be looking at £70m at an absolute minimum, and ideally negotiating for the likes of Sanchez/Pedro/Di Maria/Marcelo/Jese as part of it.

To be honest, I don't think John Henry will accept a discounted bid on account of the latest bite. He knows Suarez's value, and ultimately 2 months of the season isn't enough to wipe out 25% of a player's value. He showed last year he wouldn't be bent over a barrel, and if anything, he's in a stronger position this year, with Suarez having extended his contract, and the club back in the CL.

Dickerty

Fieldog wrote: »

I agree, and if Guardiola is there, he is as good as gone imo....

Guardiola can have all the talks he wants, only matters if WE are talking...

mike65

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If we lose Suarez then we can say goodbye to top 4.

Nonsense.

Sanchez, Sturridge, Sterling, Shaqiri (who I believe will be signed) would give every team in the Prem a hard time.

murpho999

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If we lose Suarez then we can say goodbye to top 4.

I do not agree with this at all. We had a good start without last season.

Don't want to see him go but if he does the team will buy and move on.

Still a good squad there and it will be strengthened.

DrumSteve

mike65 wrote: »

Nonsense.

Sanchez, Sturridge, Sterling, Shaqiri (who I believe will be signed) would give every team in the Prem a hard time.

And suarez...

That'd be mental seeing that.

ricero

DrumSteve wrote: »

And suarez...

That'd be mental seeing that.

It would be jizztastic

whatawaster

I would take Sanchez and £50 million right now.

He is the best possible replacement we could get for Suarez and we would have the cash to seriously upgrade 1 or 2 other positions.

Despite being the best player I've ever seen play for the club, I think he will become too much of a risk. If he still has a market value of £70/£80 million (which is by no means certain) then that is too much money for the club to gamble with.

Another indiscretion from Suarez (there have been 4 in the past 4 years) and he will be looking at a serious ban, maybe season-long. The FA would relish dishing that out. I really thought he had put all of that behind him and that we were looking at a new Suarez. I was clearly wrong and I'm extremely disappointed that I am. Let's be honest, he is likely to do something like that again, that much we can now say with confidence.

Put it this way, if we could somehow see the future and we knew Suarez would bite someone again, say in 12 months time, would anyone want to still keep him? Knowing the magnitude of his likely ban?

We could be left with a player playing increasingly less and less of each season, depreciating in value, and all the while still pining for a move to Real or Barcelona.

Dickerty

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If we lose Suarez then we can say goodbye to top 4.

Entirely depends on what else we do. Shaqiri, Sanchez and a top class defender, and I don't see any reason we need to consider such a huge drop.

We still have Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho, Hendo, Stevie, Sakho and are adding players...

Soft Falling Rain

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If we lose Suarez then we can say goodbye to top 4.

Not necessarily, just because Spurs fluffed their lines with the Bale money doesn't mean we'll do the same.

rossie1977

mike65 wrote: »

Nonsense.

Sanchez, Sturridge, Sterling, Shaqiri (who I believe will be signed) would give every team in the Prem a hard time.

yeah spurs thought the same thing last year. sure Paulinho, Soldado, Eriksen and Lamela will easily fill the void left by Bale :rolleyes:

whatawaster

rossie1977 wrote: »

yeah spurs thought the same thing last year. sure Paulinho, Soldado, Eriksen and Lamela will easily fill the void left by Bale :rolleyes:

Bale was pretty much the only functioning part of that Spurs team.

rob316

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Somebody said it earlier, but if we're going to sell him, we need to play Madrid and Barca off each other. Barca would be rightfully terrified of competing against Ronaldo-Suarez-Bale, and Madrid likewise against Neymar-Messi-Suarez. Adding him to either team would really shift the power significantly in La Liga, and we need to use that to drive up the price.

£50 million is ridiculous -- you'd be looking at £70m at an absolute minimum, and ideally negotiating for the likes of Sanchez/Pedro/Di Maria/Marcelo/Jese as part of it.

To be honest, I don't think John Henry will accept a discounted bid on account of the latest bite. He knows Suarez's value, and ultimately 2 months of the season isn't enough to wipe out 25% of a player's value. He showed last year he wouldn't be bent over a barrel, and if anything, he's in a stronger position this year, with Suarez having extended his contract, and the club back in the CL.

Madrid don't have any interest in him, Real have a very public way of conducting transfer business. I said it before if Suarez was a target for them they would have tapped him all season long. Zidane, Ancelotti and Perez would all said there piece about him.
It's pure speculation about Madrid wanting him, Barcelona do have a strong reported interest though.

Liverpool either keep him or sell him to Barcelona at a reduced rate those are the options right now. If we could get anything north of £60/65m for him after this it would a good fee.

Dont be at yourself

whatawaster wrote: »

I would take Sanchez and £50 million right now.

He is the best possible replacement we could get for Suarez and we would have the cash to seriously upgrade 1 or 2 other positions.

Despite being the best player I've ever seen play for the club, I think he will become too much of a risk. If he still has a market value of £70/£80 million (which is by no means certain) then that is too much money for the club to gamble with.

Another indiscretion from Suarez (there have been 4 in the past 4 years) and he will be looking at a serious ban, maybe season-long. The FA would relish dishing that out. I really thought he had put all of that behind him and that we were looking at a new Suarez. I was clearly wrong and I'm extremely disappointed that I am. Let's be honest, he is likely to do something like that again, that much we can now say with confidence.

Put it this way, if we could somehow see the future and we knew Suarez would bite someone again, say in 12 months time, would anyone want to still keep him? Knowing the magnitude of his likely ban?

We could be left with a player playing increasingly less and less of each season, depreciating in value, and all the while still pining for a move to Real or Barcelona.

Regarding the risk of him re-offending, I think it's interesting that this happened while on International duty, in a World Cup eliminator, with Uruguay 10 minutes away from going home.

Looking at his behaviour at Liverpool last year, he was a model player. He cut out a lot of his play-acting, diving, moaning at refs, and generally just got up and got on with it.

Whether it's Rodgers, Peters, Gerrard or other factors, it's clear that the club have been helping him hugely to curb that side of the game. He is completely unpredictable, but I'd hope that he'd be less prone to this stuff during the season while at Liverpool.

Dickerty

rossie1977 wrote: »

yeah spurs thought the same thing last year. sure Paulinho, Soldado, Eriksen and Lamela will easily fill the void left by Bale :rolleyes:

We are far less reliant on Suarez than they were on Bale. We have Sturridge, which was also in the top scorers last season, and had us on top while Suarez was still out suspended. Spurs had Defoe, Dempsey and Adebayor, none of whom are within a country mile of Bale.

Agent Coulson

Forget letting him go to Barca or Madrid!

I have a new idea a straight swap with Juventus for Pogba and Vidal :pac:

rossie1977

whatawaster wrote: »

Bale was pretty much the only functioning part of that Spurs team.

bale was the star player who made the team tick like suarez.

proof if you ever needed it was when suarez had a slight dip in form towards of the end of last season and not a single player on the liverpool team could step up.

lose suarez and you are left with a defense as leaky as an old bucket, a 34 year old gerrard, a 19 year old kid, an inconsistent 21 year old who can't shoot and people are pinning their hopes on two guys barcelona and bayern are trying desperately to get rid of

mike65

I knew I had rossie1977 on ignore for a reason!

whatawaster

rossie1977 wrote: »

bale was the star player who made the team tick like suarez.

proof if you ever needed it was when suarez had a slight dip in form towards of the end of last season and not a single player on the liverpool team could step up.

lose suarez and you are left with a defense as leaky as an old bucket, a 34 year old gerrard, a 19 year old kid, an inconsistent 21 year old who can't shoot and people are pinning their hopes on two guys barcelona and bayern are trying desperately to get rid of

Are you kidding?

Sterling was our best player on our match-winning run. During that run was actually Suarez's leanest period of the season. Sterling and Coutinho stepped up big time.

NoelJ

rossie1977 wrote: »

bale was the star player who made the team tick like suarez.

proof if you ever needed it was when suarez had a slight dip in form towards of the end of last season and not a single player on the liverpool team could step up.

lose suarez and you are left with a defense as leaky as an old bucket, a 34 year old gerrard, a 19 year old kid, an inconsistent 21 year old who can't shoot and people are pinning their hopes on two guys barcelona and bayern are trying desperately to get rid of

50% f Liverpool's starting 11 players last years were people which other clubs didn't want and they did well enough. Sakho, Sturridge, Johnson, Coutinho and Toure.

gimli2112

I prefer if he stays but like one poster said the fear is he does something again and incurs a massive ban.

I've never felt sorry for a professional footballer earning £200K pw but genuinely do have some sympathy for him (not sure I would if I supported someone else). Everything I read about him off the pitch he comes across as quite a nice, humble caring individual. There's something in his head though that's difficult to fix.

There's far worse assaults that occur in football on a regular basis but you can't just bite people or defend someone doing it.

careca

NoelJ wrote: »

50% f Liverpool's starting 11 players last years were people which other clubs didn't want and they did well enough. Sakho, Sturridge, Johnson, Coutinho and Toure.

mmmm, well enough, not too sure how your ratings are calculated

x43r0

rossie1977 wrote: »

yeah spurs thought the same thing last year. sure Paulinho, Soldado, Eriksen and Lamela will easily fill the void left by Bale :rolleyes:

The difference would be our attack is already settled. The players mentioned were all new to the league and the team

Can't compare the two IMO


Liverpool minus Suarez >>>>> Spurs minus Bale