Drink for your Ride

Diggabot

What is everyone filling their bidons with? I've been using Clif Shot cran-razzle electrolyte drink but they no longer do the tubs of powder. I've tried Torq lemon & lime before but didn't like the flavour. I've heard Nuun is good... nice flavour and good hydration. Has anyone any other suggestions?

smacl

I use high5 4:1 for longer spins, find it good and means a bit less food to carry. Tried a few others, but didn't seem as good, though could all be in the mind.

Brian?

One with plain water, one with high five electrolyte thrown in for the summer. In winter I don't really bother with the electrolyte stuff.

martin.mcevoy

I use High 5 for a bit of an energy boost in one bottle and use Nuun in the other bottle for rehydration. I find Nuun tablets excellent and would definitely recommend it.

godtabh

Brian? wrote: »

One with plain water, one with high five electrolyte thrown in for the summer. In winter I don't really bother with the electrolyte stuff.

I do something similar.

I generally only put the high 5 stuff in if I'll be gone for more than 2 hours

Brian?

godtabh wrote: »

I do something similar.

I generally only put the high 5 stuff in if I'll be gone for more than 2 hours

Ah yeah, I should have clear about times. High five for longer than 2 hours.

ZiabR

Brian? wrote: »

One with plain water, one with high five electrolyte thrown in for the summer. In winter I don't really bother with the electrolyte stuff.

That is also what I do. One with water and one with an electrolyte supplement. Not really needed in colder months.

seany15

I only usually take water for training spins. High5 energy source for racing.

crashoveroid

If you have been using Clif which i was in the same boat they have relaunched it in the States but wont be here till next year. I have moved to OSMO Active hydration mix. Find it fantastic stuff. The tub is smaller but will last about the same as the Clif.

Seaneh

One bottle with water, one bottle with Robinson's Lemon and Barley with a pinch of salt.

codie

I used to always use the 4:1 High five until I read about fructose which is an ingredient .Now I use Nuun and find it great.Easy to carry on bike and is very easy on the stomach

PrzemoF

Orange juice with water (1:1) + large spoon of honey

C-Shore

If it's over an hour, I use a carb and electrolyte mix. If it's less, then I just use electrolytes. I've started using the PowerBar 5 Electrolytes because they're cheaper than High5 work out.

Carpenter

Cider in the summer Stout for the cold days

neris

diluted cordial with glucose powder on long rides

Lyaiera

Carpenter wrote: »

Cider in the summer Stout for the cold days

I never understood people saying Stout is a winter drink. I find it really nice on warm days. Wheat Beer on the other hand is awful when the weather is hot, unless it's a Kristalle.

I just go with water, two bidons' full. And I gulp it. Then I need to pee. So I stop for coffee and sometimes cake.

OldBean

Carpenter wrote: »

Cider in the summer Stout for the cold days

If you're gonna do it right, do it real right - http://foundersbrewing.com/our-beer/all-day-ipa/

It also comes canned and that fits in my saddlebag/handlebar bag. Just what's needed.

Diggabot

codie wrote: »

I used to always use the 4:1 High five until I read about fructose which is an ingredient .Now I use Nuun and find it great.Easy to carry on bike and is very easy on the stomach

Any flavour you'd recommend? I've spoken to some friends who've used Nuun and swear by it so I'm leaning that way... for now anyway.

martin.mcevoy

Diggabot wrote: »

Any flavour you'd recommend? I've spoken to some friends who've used Nuun and swear by it so I'm leaning that way... for now anyway.

Orange or Tri-Berry are particularly nice

godtabh

codie wrote: »

I used to always use the 4:1 High five until I read about fructose which is an ingredient .Now I use Nuun and find it great.Easy to carry on bike and is very easy on the stomach

nuun is just an electrolyte isnt it? Very different to 4:1

thesimpsons

usually one water with light dash of orange Miwidi. second one on longer spins with dioralyte in it. banana and maybe a ceral bar

shamcfc

I have been suffering from cramps lately so from reading up on here I loaded myself up with electrolyte drink the night before my spin and on the the day I had dioralyte in my bottle,first time using these,

Now I don't really sweat loads but on this event I was losing buckets and the salt I presume from the drinks was burning the eyes out of my head,

Any good product that covers electrolytes and some energy

crosstownk

I just use water. I tried the High-5 but once I eat after a spin my stomach cramps. I went back to water and all was well again. I don't use gels, just a cereal bar or a banana or even a fig roll or two for munchies.

petethedrummer

shamcfc wrote: »

I have been suffering from cramps lately so from reading up on here I loaded myself up with electrolyte drink the night before my spin and on the the day I had dioralyte in my bottle,first time using these,

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cramps-part-i/

happy reading.

Cee-Jay-Cee

High5 energy source on longer spins and water with a drop of Robinsons Summer fruits cordial in it for taste, on shorter spins.

seany15

codie wrote: »

I used to always use the 4:1 High five until I read about fructose which is an ingredient .Now I use Nuun and find it great.Easy to carry on bike and is very easy on the stomach

what did you read about fructose that put you off?

codie

seany15 wrote: »

what did you read about fructose that put you off?

Just google it

Seaneh

codie wrote: »

Just google it

Fructose is just a sugar.
It's not a problem unless it's overconsumed, in the middle if a ride where it will be used quickly isn't a problem.

codie

godtabh wrote: »

nuun is just an electrolyte isnt it? Very different to 4:1

Well I use it for hydration and find it great,how would 4:1 be so different.It contains electrolyte as well ,Is it carbs your talking about?I found long days and 5 or 6 bottles of high 5 my stomach is in bits.Since I went on Nuun I never have a problem .
As regards flavor I have tried them all and I find them all ok.I think its the cola one that has the caffeine.

seany15

codie wrote: »

Well I use it for hydration and find it great,how would 4:1 be so different.It contains electrolyte as well ,Is it carbs your talking about?I found long days and 5 or 6 bottles of high 5 my stomach is in bits.Since I went on Nuun I never have a problem .
As regards flavor I have tried them all and I find them all ok.I think its the cola one that has the caffeine.

ah, I've never needed anything like that. I obviously don't spend as long in the saddle, 5 hours would be my upper limit when training.

codie

Seaneh wrote: »

Fructose is just a sugar.
It's not a problem unless it's overconsumed, in the middle if a ride where it will be used quickly isn't a problem.

So how much do you recommend and what quantity is overconsumed?

Seaneh

codie wrote: »

So how much do you recommend and what quantity is overconsumed?

Over consuming would be sitting on your hoop guzzling soft drinks and orange juice.

A biddon of cordial while on a long cycle isn't going to do anyone any harm.

codie

seany15 wrote: »

ah, I've never needed anything like that. I obviously don't spend as long in the saddle, 5 hours would be my upper limit when training.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't recommendation intake a bottle per hour when on the bike.So 5 hrs 5 bottles

Seaneh

codie wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't recommendation intake a bottle per hour when on the bike.So 5 hrs 5 bottles

Tgat sounds excessive unless you're creaming yourself.

seany15

Seaneh wrote: »

Tgat sounds excessive unless you're creaming yourself.

I'd agree there. I've taken a 500ml bottle with the high5 to each race this year, I've yet to finish one during it.

petethedrummer

codie wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't recommendation intake a bottle per hour when on the bike.So 5 hrs 5 bottles

Probably is, according advertising from sports drink manufacturers. Whether this advice has any basis in reality is another matter. You should probably just drink when you are thirsty.

stampydmonkey

Lemon SiS electrolyte and a drop of blackcurrrent from lidl. Great on a long ride

codie

Seaneh wrote: »

Over consuming would be sitting on your hoop guzzling soft drinks and orange juice.

A biddon of cordial while on a long cycle isn't going to do anyone any harm.

We are not talking about soft drinks and orange juice ,lets stick to high 5,whats the percentage of fructose in high 5 or do you know because to say its safe if not overconsumed is like saying I smoke but its only silk cut purple and not major.Either you are living in the wilderness for some time or you don't listen to the news etc because its all these sugars that are causing health issues.

seany15

codie wrote: »

We are not talking about soft drinks and orange juice ,lets stick to high 5,whats the percentage of fructose in high 5 or do you know because to say its safe if not overconsumed is like saying I smoke but its only silk cut purple and not major.Either you are living in the wilderness for some time or you don't listen to the news etc because its all these sugars that are causing health issues.

it's 32% in energy source anyways

anything i googled after you helpfully pointed me in that direction said as long as the fructose didn't come from corn syrup (which it doesn't in the high5) it's not the axis of evil. Its the corn syrup that is the cause of any of the health concerns that were mentioned.

Lumen

Seaneh wrote: »

Fructose is just a sugar.

If you mean "all sugars are equal" then I think you're wrong.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/895.full
http://paleoleap.com/10-reasons-why-fructose-is-bad/

seany15 wrote: »

anything i googled after you helpfully pointed me in that direction said as long as the fructose didn't come from corn syrup (which it doesn't in the high5) it's not the axis of evil. Its the corn syrup that is the cause of any of the health concerns that were mentioned.

Can you provide links? Corn syrup is just a source of free fructose AFAIK.

Steve Jobs was a fruitarian, FWIW.

codie

seany15 wrote: »

it's 32% in energy source anyways

anything i googled after you helpfully pointed me in that direction said as long as the fructose didn't come from corn syrup (which it doesn't in the high5) it's not the axis of evil. Its the corn syrup that is the cause of any of the health concerns that were mentioned.

I'm not going to take your word for it

http://road.cc/content/review/57304-high5-21-energy-source-drink-mix

A word of warning: Fructose is not a wonder drug. You can't take increasingly large amounts and expect to go increasingly fast. There are limits to the amount your body can absorb - usually 20-30g per hour. In addition, high fructose diets can cause an increase in blood fats, so some nutritionists recommend that fructose should be no more than 10% of your total daily carb intake.

Seaneh

Lumen wrote: »

If you mean "all sugars are equal" then I think you're wrong.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/895.full
http://paleoleap.com/10-reasons-why-fructose-is-bad/


Can you provide links? Corn syrup is just a source of free fructose AFAIK.

Steve Jobs was a fruitarian, FWIW.

I never implied anything of the sort. But during or after exercise having "fructose" as an energy source isn't a terrible thing.

seany15

codie wrote: »

I'm not going to take your word for it

that's your prerogative. I'm not trying to sell you anything, i was just curious as to why you avoided fructose. I only know it's 32% in the high5 cause i just looked at the drum i have. I cant post links, but tbh if my sociology lectures in college (while otherwise pointless) taught me anything it's that research is artefactual in nature. No matter what research you have that says stay away from fructose there's a piece of research that says it's the end all be all of sports performance.

secman

What ever she asks for !

codie

Seaneh wrote: »

I never implied anything of the sort. But during or after exercise having "fructose" as an energy source isn't a terrible thing.

Says you.
I don't think you googled it very well
http://paleoleap.com/10-reasons-why-fructose-is-bad/

and if you have 1hr 29 mins to spare
http://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-fructose-bad-for-you/

I know what you trying to say but I'd prefer not to take the stuff.I drink a lot on the bike and like to keep hydrated and get on the bike 3 or 4 days a week in (the summer anyway) so for me I'd prefer not to have it in my bidon as I couldn't see how you could keep to 20g-30g per hour as I don't know how much fructose in in a measure.
And yes thats my prerogative.

Cookie_Monster

only ever water

codie

seany15 wrote: »

that's your prerogative. I'm not trying to sell you anything, i was just curious as to why you avoided fructose. I only know it's 32% in the high5 cause i just looked at the drum i have. I cant post links, but tbh if my sociology lectures in college (while otherwise pointless) taught me anything it's that research is artefactual in nature. No matter what research you have that says stay away from fructose there's a piece of research that says it's the end all be all of sports performance.

Sorry but this makes no sense at all.So we can all assume fructose is safe because you have a hunch there's a piece of research that says it's the end all be all of sports performance.

Seaneh

codie wrote: »

Says you.
I don't think you googled it very well
http://paleoleap.com/10-reasons-why-fructose-is-bad/

and if you have 1hr 29 mins to spare
http://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-fructose-bad-for-you/

I know what you trying to say but I'd prefer not to take the stuff.I drink a lot on the bike and like to keep hydrated and get on the bike 3 or 4 days a week in (the summer anyway) so for me I'd prefer not to have it in my bidon as I couldn't see how you could keep to 20g-30g per hour as I don't know how much fructose in in a measure.
And yes thats my prerogative.

First of all I am well aware of the theories of Dr. Lustig, I have posted the same video myself several times. But neither that video nor the article you posted support this idea that fructose is actually bad.
Lustig says that excess fructose consumption leads to problems and gives a guideline of what percentage fructose should make up of your total calorie intake. If you're cycling for several hours and have some orange juice or cordial in your biddon you're not going to exceed even his recommended levels.

I assume since you're apparently so afraid of fructose you are avoiding all fruits, fruit juices, honey, maple syrup, agave syrup and so on?


And someone else said earlier that "fructose from corn is the problem".

Your liver can't tell where the sugar came from, it doesn't care if it's from corn or honey or beets, it's just fructose as far as your liver is concerned and it will either use it to feed your muscles, store it as glycogen or if your glycogen stores are already full, convert it to fat.


If you're exercising, your glycogen levels won't be full, your liver will use the fructose without converting it to fat.

seany15

codie wrote: »

Sorry but this makes no sense at all.So we can all assume fructose is safe because you have a hunch there's a piece of research that says it's the end all be all of sports performance.

no, i just can't post the link to it. I really don't care what you assume.

codie

seany15 wrote: »

no, i just can't post the link to it. I really don't care what you assume.

Why all the posts and Seaneh I think you are trying to convince yourself that its not bad . I have found the drink I like and that all that counts for me.You can take as much as the stuff you like(fructose) as said thats your prerogative.Have an overdose of it if you wish.I find it hard to believe ye're arguments yet ye cannot back it up with any links.

Lumen

Most public health advice is population-averaged lowest common denominator bullsht with little causative proof.

When I was a kid it was e-numbers that were going to send us nuts. Then lack of fibre was going to destroy our bowels. Then saturated fat was going to give us heart attacks. Then everyone was lactose intolerant. Then wheat intolerant. Then it was 5-a-day-or-die-of-cancer. Now it's sugar and sitting still for more than a few minutes.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem with sugar, it's just that having lived through almost four decades of bad science I am skeptical of any idiot-proof dietary advice aimed at a mass of population with no regard for nuance, lifestyle factors, individual sensitivities and risk factors.