Irish Pride

thebaz

after years of austerity, our culture of corrupt politicians and political parties, banks bankrupting the country , a culture where Greed is King ala the rise again of rents , house prices and the Irish property developer, an out of touch judiciary with our compo culture , drunken teenagers, record numbers of homeless , daily murders , chronic drug addictions in our cities, mass emigration, our dirty beaches , ghost estates and not to mention on-going horrific scandals from the Church.
Everything that you read here and in the media.

Am I depressed ?
I want my pride back to be Irish, like I had back at Italia '90 -

efb

Pride in English also-rans...

Birneybau

Use your loaf.

Nodin

thebaz wrote: »

after years of austerity, our culture of corrupt politicians and political parties, banks bankrupting the country , a culture where Greed is King ala the rise again of rents , house prices and the Irish property developer, an out of touch judiciary with our compo culture , drunken teenagers, record numbers of homeless , daily murders , chronic drug addictions in our cities, mass emigration, our dirty beaches , ghost estates and not to mention on-going horrific scandals from the Church.
Everything that you read here and in the media.

Am I depressed ?
I want my pride back to be Irish, like I had back at Italia '90 -

Hopefully you're taking the piss.

The Dagda

thebaz wrote: »

after years of austerity, our culture of corrupt politicians and political parties, banks bankrupting the country , a culture where Greed is King ala the rise again of rents , house prices and the Irish property developer, an out of touch judiciary with our compo culture , drunken teenagers, record numbers of homeless , daily murders , chronic drug addictions in our cities, mass emigration, our dirty beaches , ghost estates and not to mention on-going horrific scandals from the Church.
Everything that you read here and in the media.

Am I depressed ?
I want my pride back to be Irish, like I had back at Italia '90 -

You're not depressed OP, you just need some fresh buttery toast and a mug of sweet milky tea.

I think the thread title was a clue.

jellyboy

You have shattered my dreams of starting the irish pride appreciation club


No more shall Irish pride mean bread
it shall be disillusionment that we butter our souls with

thebaz

Nodin wrote: »

Hopefully you're taking the piss.

maybe the questions should have been are people proud to be Irish ?

Lucifer MorningStar

I prefer Brennans

wretcheddomain

Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »

I prefer Brennans

Brennans Pride doesn't have the same ring to it though...

Johnston, Mooney and O'Brien's Pride, now there's a catchy bread :eek:

Nodin

thebaz wrote: »

maybe the questions should have been are people proud to be Irish ?

It wasn't the question that was problematic.

after years of austerity, our culture of corrupt politicians

Nothing post 1990 about that.

,

a culture where Greed is King ,

Yeats wrote about that in the poem "September 1913".

an out of touch judiciary with our compo culture , ,

Nothing new there, as that's been claimed for as long back as I can remember.

drunken teenagers,
,

As a former "cider crazed youth" of the 1980's, I can attest to my pre-1990 existence.

chronic drug addictions in our cities, mass emigration, our dirty beaches ,
,

yep, that was the 80's allright.

KKkitty

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Brennans Pride doesn't have the same ring to it though...

Johnston, Mooney and O'Brien's Pride, now there's a catchy bread :eek:

Bit of a mouthful though.

wretcheddomain

KKkitty wrote: »

Bit of a mouthful though.

It is bread after all. :pac:

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

J MOB.

thebaz

Nodin wrote: »

It wasn't the question that was problematic.

somehow it seamed more fun to be Irish back in 1990 - perhaps that was cause I wasn't living here at the time - another forced immigrant - then again I'm probably just depressed , just another one

Nodin

thebaz wrote: »

somehow it seamed more fun to be Irish back in 1990 - perhaps that was cause I wasn't living here at the time - another forced immigrant - then again I'm probably just depressed , just another one

Some people tend to look at the past through golden shades. Also referring to Italia 90 you were probably young, pissed and on the rip. There may be a clue in there to the solution to your current humour.

Duckworth_Luas

Rep of Ireland 0 - 0 Egypt

When we were kings

The Diabolical Monocle

thebaz wrote: »

after years of austerity, our culture of corrupt politicians and political parties, banks bankrupting the country , a culture where Greed is King ala the rise again of rents , house prices and the Irish property developer, an out of touch judiciary with our compo culture , drunken teenagers, record numbers of homeless , daily murders , chronic drug addictions in our cities, mass emigration, our dirty beaches , ghost estates and not to mention on-going horrific scandals from the Church.

It was time for something to change.

Someone had to rise.

Rise from the fields of Athenry and fight the evil that plagued Ireland.

Only one man could save Ireland, and return its stolen pots of gold.

Shamrock-man

(and mushroom)

BuilderPlumber

Ireland's society is pathetic at the moment. Largely because a sort of a dictatorship has emerged, with the wrong people in charge everywhere. Here we go:

Politics: A very poor choice from FF, FG and Labour. Nothing much inspirational from a choice of Taoisigh from Kenny or Martin! The amount of corruption in Irish politics and making bad decisions is frightening.

Banks: Ditto. They either lend way too much or not at all. Corrupt and self serving, their selfish greed knew no bounds back in 2008 when they extorted money from the country.

Music: the dominance of poor music and a closed door to many good artists is also very sad. All we seem to get here is Louis Walsh, boybands, terrible Irish country (Mike Denver and all his clones), etc. and no good music.

Tubridy: The Late Late show has never been as bad and Tubridy promotes way too much of the above.

Religion: Ireland has become a horrible, uncaring atheist society apart from Leitrim and a few other counties where caring values remain. Yes, the church blotted its copy with all its scandals but in its place has emerged an uncaring atheistic society that only feeds the massive political corruption we have.

Soccer: You mention Italia 90 but 24 years on, Ireland's soccer has not improved at all. Getting into the last 8 back in 1990 seems to be way beyond our current team.

Love/Hate: the sole positive contribution is King Nidge and it is the only bit of quality entertainment we have.

mickydoomsux

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Yes, the church blotted its copy with all its scandals but in its place has emerged an uncaring atheistic society that only feeds the massive political corruption we have.

"Blotted its copy"? That's putting it ****ing lightly.

The death of the church is a huge positive for any society that is seeking to move towards being proper grown-ups who don't base their decisions on fairy stories from thousands of years ago.

I also don't see how you are linking atheism to corruption. There is no correlation there at all.

the groutch

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

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Religion: Ireland has become a horrible, uncaring atheist society apart from Leitrim and a few other counties where caring values remain. Yes, the church blotted its copy with all its scandals but in its place has emerged an uncaring atheistic society that only feeds the massive political corruption we have.

What a load of BS.
Some of the nicest people I know are full-blown atheists.
And I've met plenty of religious-minded people who are complete a-holes.

Ash.J.Williams

AS regards the fal lof the Church, i think we need to teach kids philosophy type subjects that teach them how to think for themselves...

greenflash

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

AS regards the fal lof the Church, i think we need to teach kids philosophy type subjects that teach them how to think for themselves...

That's not going to happen until education is completely secular. The very existence of religion relies on followers not thinking for themselves.

Nodin

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Religion: Ireland has become a horrible, uncaring atheist society apart from Leitrim and a few other counties where caring values remain. Yes, the church blotted its copy with all its scandals but in its place has emerged an uncaring atheistic society that only feeds the massive political corruption we have.

..........

Your timeline needs some serious revision there. We had the most corruption when the church still had power.

Gallowglass

Pride in a team full of plastic paddies playing a foreign sport. I'd rather watch the GAA county get beat in the qualifiers every year than that.

Ash.J.Williams

Gallowglass wrote: »

Pride in a team full of plastic paddies playing a foreign sport. I'd rather watch the GAA county get beat in the qualifiers every year than that.

What's a foreign sport?

Gallowglass

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

What's a foreign sport?

Soccer

Nodin

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

What's a foreign sport?

Beach volleyball, synchronised swimming.

Ash.J.Williams

Gallowglass wrote: »

Soccer

Is it? good lord....and what about foreign food? are we allowed that?

Nodin

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Is it? good lord....and what about foreign food? are we allowed that?

Nope. No spuds fer you.

Pride. That's sooo gay.

(No really. I thought this was about Irish gay pride parades.)

Gallowglass

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Is it? good lord....and what about foreign food? are we allowed that?

aye as long as it doesn't decrease the unique culture of the place, it's not like a plate of curry is going to put a standstill to the country like the soccer

readyletsgo

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Music: the dominance of poor music and a closed door to many good artists is also very sad. All we seem to get here is Louis Walsh, boybands, terrible Irish country (Mike Denver and all his clones), etc. and no good music.

Sorry to derail... but you have to be kidding me here? Stop listening to 98fm or 2fm or 104 or spin or even 'the late late show' :rolleyes:

Even TXFM has some amazing Irish music going on all the time.

Gallowglass

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Music: the dominance of poor music and a closed door to many good artists is also very sad. All we seem to get here is Louis Walsh, boybands, terrible Irish country (Mike Denver and all his clones), etc. and no good music.

Cruachan and Waylander are at the heart of the Folk Metal world, they have a loyal following around the world.

Ash.J.Williams

Gallowglass wrote: »

Cruachan and Waylander are at the heart of the Folk Metal world, they have a loyal following around the world.

Primordial are holding their own abroad too, So i guess irish metal is doing ok without any help.

Fratton Fred

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Primordial are holding their own abroad too, So i guess irish metal is doing ok without any help.

Don't forget that lad Niall, from One Direction.

Ash.J.Williams

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Don't forget that lad Niall, from One Direction.

nah ...he get's plenty of help

BuilderPlumber

mickydoomsux wrote: »

"Blotted its copy"? That's putting it ****ing lightly.

The death of the church is a huge positive for any society that is seeking to move towards being proper grown-ups who don't base their decisions on fairy stories from thousands of years ago.

I also don't see how you are linking atheism to corruption. There is no correlation there at all.

Now, don't get me wrong: 1950s/1960s Catholic Ireland was not nice and the church had way too much sway. By the 1990s, they had been revealed as corrupt and not the saints they made out. Some of them were outright evil paedophiles and others were corrupt money grabbing fakes who used religion as a power bringer.

BUT is what we have now better? Hardly. Again, don't get me wrong, I don't have any issue with atheists in general but there are the type of atheists who like to allow their egos to be bigger than god and this means they don't have anything stopping them and their desire to trample all over one. Ironically, religious dictators do the very same thing as atheist ones: one says they do it in god's name, the other say they are more important than god! I would not live under a fascist 'Islamic' dictator or under the North Korean atheist Kim regime. Both are the exact same in the end.

Ireland needs what we call 'Christian values' and not the orgy of money and casual sex that has set off in the wake of the downfall of the church. Being fake and insincere seems to win one more power, money and 'friends' in Dublin's elite these days. Being corrupt and ruthless are in fact more admired than being honest and kind.

BuilderPlumber

the groutch wrote: »

Some of the nicest people I know are full-blown atheists.
And I've met plenty of religious-minded people who are complete a-holes.

I can't deny that this is often the case. I know of lovely people from both atheist and religious communities and I know complete a-holes in both too.

One can be atheist and have decent so-called 'Christian' values intact who is kind and decent, and one can be religious and use religion to get them money and power and be the most dishonest and ruthless crook going. That reminds me of once upon a time when we had a Taoiseach who used to go to mass and have ashes on his forehead for ash Wednesday and then he went into the Dail inacting corrupt, selfserving dishonest policies!

Archeron

jellyboy wrote: »

You have shattered my dreams of starting the irish pride appreciation club


No more shall Irish pride mean bread
it shall be disillusionment that we butter our souls with

Mmmmmm, hot buttered souls....

Jamiekelly

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Now, don't get me wrong: 1950s/1960s Catholic Ireland was not nice and the church had way too much sway. By the 1990s, they had been revealed as corrupt and not the saints they made out. Some of them were outright evil paedophiles and others were corrupt money grabbing fakes who used religion as a power bringer.

BUT is what we have now better? Hardly. Again, don't get me wrong, I don't have any issue with atheists in general but there are the type of atheists who like to allow their egos to be bigger than god and this means they don't have anything stopping them and their desire to trample all over one. Ironically, religious dictators do the very same thing as atheist ones: one says they do it in god's name, the other say they are more important than god! I would not live under a fascist 'Islamic' dictator or under the North Korean atheist Kim regime. Both are the exact same in the end.

Ireland needs what we call 'Christian values' and not the orgy of money and casual sex that has set off in the wake of the downfall of the church. Being fake and insincere seems to win one more power, money and 'friends' in Dublin's elite these days. Being corrupt and ruthless are in fact more admired than being honest and kind.

Kim is an atheist dictator? Last I checked he purposely uses propaganda to convince his own population that he IS God, and that all those nice little aid drops we send aren't for the people, its a gift to the supreme leader.

Ironically the example actually demonstrates the opposite of what you were implying. Religion given preference in government and state tend to not give a flying fcuk about values.

I'm surprised you didn't use Stalin instead. Considering he did virtually the same thing. Only more subtle and taking advantage of Russia's cultural history of Czar and leader worship.

And the phrase you're looking for is secular, not atheistic. With only 5-7% of the population being atheist/agnostic its statistically not the case.

BTW, casual sex has been happening since the dawn of time. Its kind of the whole reason our species is still here...

BuilderPlumber

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Kim is an atheist dictator? Last I checked he purposely uses propaganda to convince his own population that he IS God, and that all those nice little aid drops we send aren't for the people, its a gift to the supreme leader.

Ironically the example actually demonstrates the opposite of what you were implying. Religion given preference in government and state tend to not give a flying fcuk about values.

I'm surprised you didn't use Stalin instead. Considering he did virtually the same thing. Only more subtle and taking advantage of Russia's cultural history of Czar and leader worship.

And the phrase you're looking for is secular, not atheistic. With only 5-7% of the population being atheist/agnostic its statistically not the case.

BTW, casual sex has been happening since the dawn of time. Its kind of the whole reason our species is still here...

There are two types of atheist: those who don't believe in god and consider all to be equal. The other type are those who don't believe in god but think their more important than everyone else.

The latter type of atheist dovetails nicely with the 'communist' dictator. Only ironically they end up very capitalist and create a new cult following. So, they wipe away another religion and replace it with themselves.

Now, there's a fine line between political cult followings and religion. In their time, Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, etc. were all revolutionary political leaders anyway. In their own messed up way, Stalin, Kim and others like them also share this view: they are saviours of their country.

The fine line between religion and atheism is very thin indeed. The reason? People have to either lead or follow. Leaders need followers and followers need leaders. Get rid of conventional religion and then leaders worship themselves and the followers follow!

Stalin was a master at this, Hitler too. Country and leader became more important than god and Christianity. Even supposedly religious leaders like Iran's Ali Khamenei mixes up religion and nationalist fervour as did Oliver Cromwell and other religious leaders in the past.

Religion often defines a country. And religion is a set of beliefs. It could be a worship of things other than god. Man United, the local GAA club, One Direction, Maradona/Pele/Messi (and Wayne Rooney!!)/etc, Nidge, Elvis, a pet dog, your spouse, Fianna Fail, etc. It could be anyone or anything.

The Stalin's and Kims are not new to this game either. Kings, emperors, etc. all invented what is now called conventional religion to do exactly the same as the Kims do now. Most Christianity for example has its roots in Roman religion which was set up to worship Caesar. There's no coincidence then that the name of many European royals derived from the word Caesar: think Kaiser and Czar for example.

Personally, I don't care for organised religion which is just more politics. I believe firmly in the 10 commandments but don't consider myself part of any organised church or do not go to its services. I would consider myself Christian. Others would consider this atheist as some believe you have to be in organised religion.

But that's just it: there's a whole spectrum. 100% atheists and 100% religious is rare as people tend to believe in something (conventional Catholic massgoer v non-massgoing Elvis maniac who actually uses Elvis' gospel music as evidence he was Jesus' second coming. Yes, there's such a thing as the church of Elvis!) but question some aspects too. Even my very Catholic grandparents questions a lot of aspects like no meat on Fridays for example which they argued correctly has no ground in scripture.

BuilderPlumber

readyletsgo wrote: »

Sorry to derail... but you have to be kidding me here? Stop listening to 98fm or 2fm or 104 or spin or even 'the late late show' :rolleyes:

Even TXFM has some amazing Irish music going on all the time.

Unfortunately, these national stations have more of an impact and especially Tubridy's show. It is either a constant diet of Louis Walsh projects or all this tame boyband flavoured Irish country pop. On top of this, Nicky Byrne has a new radio show as well.

There's a lot of great Irish music being played on some stations. But a lot more of this other stuff. All the 2FM is all boybands and all the local stations often it is that awful Irish country boyfolk stuff.

And rarely if ever on TV do we see anything worthwhile. Tubridy showcases the boybands and boyfolk acts. TNG has awful programmes like Glor Tire emphasising boyfolk music at its worst. And all the stations in recent years are full of competitions like Voice, You're a Star, X Factor and the affore mentioned boyfolk version Glor Tire. Why can't proper music be promoted? Surely, we have better to offer than this. We DO have much better to offer.

4zn76tysfajdxp

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Unfortunately, these national stations have more of an impact and especially Tubridy's show. It is either a constant diet of Louis Walsh projects or all this tame boyband flavoured Irish country pop. On top of this, Nicky Byrne has a new radio show as well.

There's a lot of great Irish music being played on some stations. But a lot more of this other stuff. All the 2FM is all boybands and all the local stations often it is that awful Irish country boyfolk stuff.

And rarely if ever on TV do we see anything worthwhile. Tubridy showcases the boybands and boyfolk acts. TNG has awful programmes like Glor Tire emphasising boyfolk music at its worst. And all the stations in recent years are full of competitions like Voice, You're a Star, X Factor and the affore mentioned boyfolk version Glor Tire. Why can't proper music be promoted? Surely, we have better to offer than this. We DO have much better to offer.

Serious amount of snobbery here. What's "good music" in your opinion?

Arthur Beesley

Gallowglass wrote: »

Soccer

Making pretty much every sport 'foreign'.

Mother of God. It takes all sorts.

readyletsgo

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Unfortunately, these national stations have more of an impact and especially Tubridy's show. It is either a constant diet of Louis Walsh projects or all this tame boyband flavoured Irish country pop. On top of this, Nicky Byrne has a new radio show as well.

There's a lot of great Irish music being played on some stations. But a lot more of this other stuff. All the 2FM is all boybands and all the local stations often it is that awful Irish country boyfolk stuff.

And rarely if ever on TV do we see anything worthwhile. Tubridy showcases the boybands and boyfolk acts. TNG has awful programmes like Glor Tire emphasising boyfolk music at its worst. And all the stations in recent years are full of competitions like Voice, You're a Star, X Factor and the affore mentioned boyfolk version Glor Tire. Why can't proper music be promoted? Surely, we have better to offer than this. We DO have much better to offer.

This is such a knobby thing to say, but I always thought pop music was for people who DO NOT like music, they dont really have to listen to it to understand or like it.

Sure just last week, Grimes offered Rianna one of her songs to sing, Rianna said no thanks, so Grimes recorded it and released it herself and its amazing and I could not see Rianna singing it let alone her fans understanding the actual track.

Adamantium

Don't win at what doesn't matter and don't lose at what does.

But are YOU happy OP?

mickydoomsux

readyletsgo wrote: »

This is such a knobby thing to say, but I always thought pop music was for people who DO NOT like music, they dont really have to listen to it to understand or like it.

Sure just last week, Grimes offered Rianna one of her songs to sing, Rianna said no thanks, so Grimes recorded it and released it herself and its amazing and I could not see Rianna singing it let alone her fans understanding the actual track.

Who the **** is Grimes?

Ash.J.Williams

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Who the **** is Grimes?

google

Arthur Beesley

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

google

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Grayson

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Now, don't get me wrong: 1950s/1960s Catholic Ireland was not nice and the church had way too much sway. By the 1990s, they had been revealed as corrupt and not the saints they made out. Some of them were outright evil paedophiles and others were corrupt money grabbing fakes who used religion as a power bringer.

BUT is what we have now better? Hardly. Again, don't get me wrong, I don't have any issue with atheists in general but there are the type of atheists who like to allow their egos to be bigger than god and this means they don't have anything stopping them and their desire to trample all over one. Ironically, religious dictators do the very same thing as atheist ones: one says they do it in god's name, the other say they are more important than god! I would not live under a fascist 'Islamic' dictator or under the North Korean atheist Kim regime. Both are the exact same in the end.

Ireland needs what we call 'Christian values' and not the orgy of money and casual sex that has set off in the wake of the downfall of the church. Being fake and insincere seems to win one more power, money and 'friends' in Dublin's elite these days. Being corrupt and ruthless are in fact more admired than being honest and kind.

That's not hard since god doesn't exist.

We don't need Christian values. FYI, there's less crime in Ireland than at any point in it's past. This is officially the safest time to live in Ireland.

Like Jim Jeffries said, if you need the bible to tell you it was wrong to lie and steal and kill, you were a cnut anyway and the bible wasn't going to make any difference.

And politicians and people with power have generally always been dicks. There have always been very few people who reached the higher levels of power without being dicks. look at dublins "Elite" 100 years ago and you'll see them locking people out of factories for having unions. btw, one of the good guys was James Connolly and he was an athiest.

BuilderPlumber

Grayson wrote: »

That's not hard since god doesn't exist.

We don't need Christian values. FYI, there's less crime in Ireland than at any point in it's past. This is officially the safest time to live in Ireland.

Like Jim Jeffries said, if you need the bible to tell you it was wrong to lie and steal and kill, you were a cnut anyway and the bible wasn't going to make any difference.

And politicians and people with power have generally always been dicks. There have always been very few people who reached the higher levels of power without being dicks. look at dublins "Elite" 100 years ago and you'll see them locking people out of factories for having unions. btw, one of the good guys was James Connolly and he was an athiest.

True. God as in a person and as in this grey bearded creation is man made 100%. God does exist, as a force of nature. As the creator. A force, a power, whatever.

Judaism, Christianity, Islam and others are all manmade moral codes sometimes used for good, sometimes not. Dictators use god as an image, an image of themselves really.

The same moral codes existed in every society. Religion was really law and that's why to this day fascists still use it to enforce their illegal law. Good people use 10 commandments or similar to establish society.

Yes, being an atheist never means a person is bad. A lot of great atheists who were kind and decent have existed and a lot of evil religious people.

Politicians are generally insincere idiots only interested in their own power and money. Money and power become their gods and it corrupts them that's what happens often.

The worst type of people in my view are 'religious types' who impose 'religious' tyranny (a set of laws no one can live by) on their people while they themselves live in (what is supposed to be to them) 'sin'. The Taliban and Saudi Arabia come to mind as examples: The Taliban were nothing but a shower of vodka-guzzling, whiskey breathed, womanising warlords who controlled a massive heroin empire and people trafficking racket who outlawed these activities for non-members and pretending in public to be pious. The Saudi Royal family meanwhile go to Spain to wine and dine. Iran's Ayatollahs are depressed, drugged up alcoholics as well whose bipolar disorders determine the mood of their religion hence why we see mixes of tolerance and intolerance out of Iran's system at various times.

All these religious types tend to use their added to religion to help them cope with their own addiction problems, their lust, their debauched lifestyles and their egos. The Taliban and Iran's Revolutionary Guards are also wellknown paedophiles who'd make Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris look like saints.