6 points on provisional licence: am I to be disqualified?

pog it

A friend just told me about new legislation due to come into effect in August and I find it hard to believe so want to verify it. Though it is probably the case.

She said that if you have 6 penalty points or more on your provisional licence you will be disqualified for 6 months.

Find this shocking to be honest. I got two notices for going over the speed limit- both were on the same day and it only happened because I had to get back home as I was a part-time carer then, the other time was a one-off where I was going at 67km in a 60km zone.

Can't believe I am going to be disqualified for 6 points??

happywithlife

2points is understandable IMO -even 4 perhaps
But 6?
Tells me you haven't your lesson
And as a provisional driver you should be squeaky clean
I hope a provisional/learner driver on 6points would certainly be disqualified

zarquon

Seems reasonable to me to have reduced thresholds for those on learner permits due to inexperience. It's one thing to build up 6 points within a 3 year period as an experienced driver (which is still not good practice) but on a permit you would have built this up in either weeks or months and should have no complaints if you are banned. You have not passed a test and therefore do not have the same rights as qualified drivers.

Most should be lucky they don't get caught for driving unaccompanied.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

happywithlife wrote: »

2points is understandable IMO -even 4 perhaps
But 6?
Tells me you haven't your lesson
And as a provisional driver you should be squeaky clean
I hope a provisional/learner driver on 6points would certainly be disqualified

Whatever you think yourself there Tonto.

Dayo93

Did you have a licenced driver with you on these occasions ?. You do know you should not be driving without one on provisional licence ?

Supergurrier

happywithlife wrote: »

2points is understandable IMO -even 4 perhaps
But 6?
Tells me you haven't your lesson
And as a provisional driver you should be squeaky clean
I hope a provisional/learner driver on 6points would certainly be disqualified

You username is not very accurate ?

Talk to Jim

happywithlife

Supergurrier wrote: »

You username is not very accurate ?

Talk to Jim

I'm perfectly happy thank you very much when I know imbeciles who put my family in danger with their repeated reckless driving are put off the road

If your username is anything to go by .....less said the better

pog it

Listen, cut the BS. I'm looking for facts as regards when the new legislation is coming in.

And I am not an inexperienced driver. When I went over the limit it was still done in a safe manner.

Trust me if the critics here drove as well as I did we wouldn't have this bs legislation.

Better education might serve to illuminate some pretty dim minds, that's pretty much all the rage from my experience.

pog it

happywithlife wrote: »

I'm perfectly happy thank you very much when I know imbeciles who put my family in danger with their repeated reckless driving are put off the road

If your username is anything to go by .....less said the better

Would love it if reckless dumb ass brains did more to make something of this country. I'm not a danger to others when I'm on the road, you just sound dim or depressed making such presumptions, 'happywithlife' mar dhea.

happywithlife

pog it wrote: »

Listen, cut the BS. I'm looking for facts as regards when the new legislation is coming in.
.

Maybe try the legal affairs board so instead of motors?

challengemaster

pog it wrote: »

And I am not an inexperienced driver.

Despite what you think - the lack of a pink license says otherwise.

happywithlife

pog it wrote: »

Would love it if reckless dumb ass brains did more to make something of this country. I'm not a danger to others when I'm on the road, you just sound dim or depressed making such presumptions, 'happywithlife' mar dhea.

It wasn't directed at you specifically op rather a general observation to the quoted poster

pog it

challengemaster wrote: »

Despite what you think - the lack of a pink license says otherwise.

A pink license with the current driving test as it is actually is useless and with the new test coming in, I would love to see every body who drives have to go through this new test.

If I am disqualified over this it is an absolute joke. Country is completely gone to the dogs. Why would anyone bright or ambitious stay? Family, friends, inertia. That must be it.

Anyway yeah I'll make a call to them.

Mods, wrap this thread up, the usual losers posting here.

Nate--IRL--

Would help to read the actual act, before acting like a drama queen?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2014/en/act/pub/0003/sec0008.html#sec8

[(c) in section 3, by substituting for subsection (1) the following:

“(1) Where penalty points are endorsed on the entry of a person and, in consequence, the total number of penalty points standing so endorsed—

(a) equals or exceeds 12, or

(b) in the case of a person who at the time such points are endorsed is a learner driver or a novice driver, equals or exceeds 7,

the person shall stand disqualified for a period of 6 months beginning on the appropriate date for holding a licence and a licence held by him or her at the beginning of the period shall stand suspended accordingly.”,

Nate

fullstop

pog it wrote: »

A pink license with the current driving test as it is actually is useless and with the new test coming in, I would love to see every body who drives have to go through this new test.

If I am disqualified over this it is an absolute joke. Country is completely gone to the dogs. Why would anyone bright or ambitious stay? Family, friends, inertia. That must be it.

Anyway yeah I'll make a call to them.

Mods, wrap this thread up, the usual losers posting here.

Yeah the country is gone to the dogs. We may as well lock the gate cause you're being victimised for breaking speed limits when there are murderers on the loose.

Rubberchikken

How you could even justify speeding on a provisional licence i dont understand.

No matter what you're in a hurry home to do, speed limits are just that - a limit.
If you gave 6 points on a provisional licence and face disqualification, then so be it.
Suck it up and learn from it.

Faith+1

pog it wrote: »

Mods, wrap this thread up, the usual losers posting here.

You sound like a lovely person.

Supergurrier

Ahh boards.

OP makes thread to ask question.
Gets torn to shreds for being a reckless speeding hooligan and told ofcourse you should be off the road.
Actual legislation gets linked.
HHB shuffles away looking for it's next victim.

IT COULD BE YOU !

oldyouth

pog it wrote: »

If I am disqualified over this it is an absolute joke. Country is completely gone to the dogs. Why would anyone bright or ambitious stay?.

Try bringing your attitude to motoring to the roads of Australia or the US and see how long you stay behind the wheel

slimjimmc

The Road Traffic Act 2014 (Sect 8) introduced the regulation that Learner Permits will be disqualified if they exceed 6 penalty points i.e. get 7 or more and you're gone.
The commencement order SI 14/2014 sets the date for this regulation to take effect on 1st August 2014. The order has already been signed by the Minister so there's little doubt it is happening.

OP if you keep your nose clean and don't collect any more points then you won't be disqualified under the new law.

westdub

To answer the OP's question it's once you get over 6 point's you will be off the road....
and that also goes for anyone who's passed their test and has the new N plates...

[2014.]
Road Traffic Act
2014.
S.8
is a learner driver or a novice driver, equals or exceeds 7,
specifying that the person will be disqualified under section 3 for
holding a licence for a period of 6 months beginning on the
appropriate date and directing him or her to submit the licence held
by him or her to the licensing authority not later than 14 days from
that date.”.

Mycroft H

You've lucked out, the next time you'll be on the pushbike.

Nate--IRL--

westdub wrote: »

To answer the OP's question it's once you get over 6 point's you will be off the road....
and that also goes for anyone who's passed their test and has the new N plates...

This also comes into effect on the 1st August

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2014/en/si/0147.html

The day fixed as the day on which sections 3 to 5 , 7 and 8 of the Road Traffic Act 2014 (No. 3 of 2014) come into operation is 1 August 2014.

Interesting question though is can this law be applied retroactively? That is, say if 1 have 8 points (I don't), from say 2013, do I get banned on the 1st of August, or does it only apply to points picked up after the 1st of August?

Nate

challengemaster

pog it wrote: »

Mods, wrap this thread up, the usual losers posting here.

Good lad, scurry on now. Now too quickly though, those points stick around for 3 years after all :pac:

Aka Ishur

In fairness tho people are always gonna react like that to someone on a provisional with six points, who claims to be experienced yet not have a full licence, calls anyone with a negative opinion losers, and declares that none of them would pass the test anyway. (Recent fail i imagine)

Edit: just had a quick look at post historyand it seems OP did have a test a few weeks back...guess it didnt go so well....

Stheno

pog it wrote: »

Listen, cut the BS. I'm looking for facts as regards when the new legislation is coming in.

And I am not an inexperienced driver. When I went over the limit it was still done in a safe manner.

Trust me if the critics here drove as well as I did we wouldn't have this bs legislation.

Better education might serve to illuminate some pretty dim minds, that's pretty much all the rage from my experience.

You're not even a qualified driver!

I've been driving for over ten years, and not had even one penalty point let alone six!

I'm fairly sure that legislation is now in place, so you may well be facing a ban

Lando Griffin

Mycroft H wrote: »

You've lucked out, the next time you'll be on the pushbike.

There is talk of giving fines to cyclists who break the rules too.

debabyjesus

challengemaster wrote: »

Good lad, scurry on now. Now too quickly though, those points stick around for 3 years after all :pac:

If you're put off the road the clock stops on the points.! Say you get two points and the next day you're put off the road for 2 years, the points will stay for 5 years.

Aka Ishur

In this case he would only be banned for six months. Cant imagine the insurance renewal tho...

con___manx1

i know two people who racked up 4 points in one day at he same speed trap : )

slimjimmc

Stheno wrote: »

You're not even a qualified driver!

I've been driving for over ten years, and not had even one penalty point let alone six!

I'm fairly sure that legislation is now in place, so you may well be facing a ban

The regulation won't take effect until 1st Aug, and since the OP has 6 points he won't be banned so long as he doesn't get any more points. Three "one off" speeding offences is not a good start though.

pog it

Aka Ishur wrote: »

In fairness tho people are always gonna react like that to someone on a provisional with six points, who claims to be experienced yet not have a full licence, calls anyone with a negative opinion losers, and declares that none of them would pass the test anyway. (Recent fail i imagine)

Edit: just had a quick look at post historyand it seems OP did have a test a few weeks back...guess it didnt go so well....

Again, wrong. Don't take up a job that demands proper research. An interview with the subject can go a long way!

Didn't get to sit the test in the end this time, personal reasons, none of which are any of your business. Will be happy to apply to do the new test though and be one of the first to hold a proper full licence.

But I did do the test years ago and had one mark- one fail- for making to turn right at junction. Just turned the wheel, tiny nudge to the right, but stopped myself before anything untoward could have happened. It was right at the start of the test. Carried on with the test and was flawless- Finglas centre. I chose it because it is one of the hardest to pass in in the country. The fact that I made to turn and had moved slightly to the right got me my fail.

Trust that clears up matters!

pog it

Faith+1 wrote: »

You sound like a lovely person.

I am.

wexie

pog it wrote: »

If I am disqualified over this it is an absolute joke. Country is completely gone to the dogs. Why would anyone bright or ambitious stay? Family, friends, inertia. That must be it.

Couldn't possibly be because someone actually bright and ambitious might still be doing pretty okay could it?

:rolleyes:

Alanstrainor

I reckon this has gone on for long enough...it doesn't take long for the pitch forks to come out around here does it?