Brewery quarter not required

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Milly33

Yep completely agree well nearly. Think they should put something in the show grounds it is mad that they have the land wasted there. It is the perfect spot lots of different ways to enter and exit, people don't have to go into the city to add to traffic yet are a walk away from it.. Loads of space, perfect.. Then they should think about putting a nice camping or mobile home spot as lots of people ask about it during marquee time so twud be usefull

Knasher

If they want it to be a convention centre, then ideally it needs to be within walking distance of a number of hotels. I don't know if it would be successful, but if it was out near Páirc Uí Chaoimh, then really it is only aimed towards one day events and people with cars.

Bacchus

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Milly33

sure town is only a few mins away, taxi would only cost a few euro if needed.. And I know it is a big ask but maybe they may even run a bus there, big ask of them I know but it is such a better area for it

KCAccidental

the state of the marina during matches in Pairc Ui Caoimh shows that if people have to travel outside the city centre, they will drive.

It's more likely people would be attracted to taking public transport to an event if it is near where every bus route operates. Much easier for someone to hop on one bus to the venue rather than two buses or a taxi.

draiochtanois

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kellogscoffey

Not sure is the docks proposal even in contention anymore. My understanding had been it was down to either brewery quarter or the one on Alberts Quay, and that consultants were drawing up the merits and drawbacks of both, for city council to decide.

Of course, I could be wrong. It happened once before.

AugustusMinimus

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The old railway line is now a walk/cycle path. There would be utter uproar if this was replaced with light rail.

Balmed Out

I completely disagree I think its an excellent location for it. This is Cork not a major metropolis. Our public transport infrastructure delivers people in and out of the city centre. An events venue holding 6000 people should only be built within the city centre and will have a massive knock on benefit to city centre pubs, restaurants, shops etc. Placing it anywhere else would cause congestion and disturbances to residents and would necessitate extra investment in transport which we cant afford and would be a waste.


Going to an event or a gig or whatever is much more pleasant when mixed with a night out etc instead of dumping people a half hour away which would be a sure way to ensure it fails.

Milly33

The people who go to the matches im sorry but they park like muppets around the place don't know how they get away with it.. And if there was an advents centre down there, there is actually plenty of parking it is not opened all the time, There is loads in the show grounds. then the marquee site is more again and the spot next to it

Balmed Out

Milly33 wrote: »

The people who go to the matches im sorry but they park like muppets around the place don't know how they get away with it.. And if there was an advents centre down there, there is actually plenty of parking it is not opened all the time, There is loads in the show grounds. then the marquee site is more again and the spot next to it

The marquee is at night so it doesn't cause such a problem, think of when the city sports was on that was worse then most matches. An events centre would have conferences during the day as well as night time entertainment. Parking is one thing but the whole area chokes when something is on there during the day from the well road to mahon point.

Doesn't change from the fact that most concert goers would be more likely to enjoy a night out or a meal and most day time event goers the same if it were in the city centre rather then Blackrock.

It makes far better sense from a transport viewpoint, the users viewpoint and for residents of cork city.

The city center needs something like this to breath a bit of fresh air into it. It could become a massive success as an entertainment venue and provide an impetus for the urban renewal of the entire area. Stuck out in Blackrock I can see it becoming something of a white elephant that doesn't enhance the area or Cork as a whole.

As for creating a super park I fail to see how that would work without knocking the Mercy and a whole lot of other buildings and its not even needed.

KCAccidental

another point to make is that the brewery quarter is more than just a venue. It will have a cinema and other things. I think it will really open out the city centre and revitalise the south main st washington st area, which is pretty shabby at the moment with all the fast food restaurants.

Milly33

I get yes it might be nice to improve town a bit, but those areas seem a bit of a waste.. If you think blackrock gets jammed up with the sports day then what do u think town will be like... They should revamp the old Cineplex maybe again lots of ways to get in and out and on the main street.

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KCAccidental

Milly33 wrote: »

I get yes it might be nice to improve town a bit, but those areas seem a bit of a waste.. If you think blackrock gets jammed up with the sports day then what do u think town will be like... They should revamp the old Cineplex maybe again lots of ways to get in and out and on the main street.

the difference is that every single bus from the suburbs will stop within 5 minute walking distance of the venue, so people wont have any excuse to drive in to the show etc.

Cineplex is unfortunately tied up in nama. I'd love to see that place turned into a pavillion type venue and club. Think it would be perfect.

Milly33

yep yep don't build anymore!!! Use what is there

Milly33

Darn Nama

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Thepikapi

What cork really needs is to make a drastic change, that's the only real way the city is going to change for the better. A lot of other cities like London, Barcelona and Brussels were blessed with planning and amazing infrastructure, for cork to grow these "dream big" ideas are very important, that's how many cities rise from ashes and become huge great metropolises (I.e. Bilbao in Spain was a mining city, but now is a modern and artistic spot).We (as in the Irish) have a naturally defeatist attitude, and I believe that cork needs to move away from its poor, colonist past and become the city that it's people deserve, so let's give these super parks, light rail systems and urban areas a chance.

Balmed Out

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Why is it required? We already have Fitzgeralds park with the mardyke and lee fields, the lough, the glen park, the railway lines, cloverhill,the curaheen one and im sure plenty more besides within the city. Wed all like more of everything but you have to pick on something. An event centre wouldnt cost anywhere near what buying and demolishing buildings to join up this area to Fitzgeralds park.

How could anyone feel cork city centre requires more parkland over a proper gig / conference centre along with I believe a museum for the old main brewery building. Cork has long been lacking a tourist draw bang in the city centre as well as a conference / gig center.

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Do you really believe that ? From my own personal experience im of the viewpoint that more traffic enters westbound on the ring then towards the tunnel and much of the east bound traffic is heading away from the city anyhow.
It would help undoubtedly but ballinlough to mahon is a peninsula and will always be prone to heavy traffic if large scale development continues.

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What idle buildings are there that are big enough for a 6000 seater event centre in the city centre? I can only think of one and that's Beamish.

The event center would be a draw to the city and the museum a fantastic tourist attraction a park would do neither.

Red Nissan

Milly33 wrote: »

sure town is only a few mins away, taxi would only cost a few euro if needed.. And I know it is a big ask but maybe they may even run a bus there, big ask of them I know but it is such a better area for it

People won't go. simples.

As example the Silver Springs annual car view convention attracting thousands and thousands and the entire hotel is taken over by the convention, so what little parking it had is now an exhibition so nowhere for the punter to go.

The punters caused mayhem parking around the hotel they argued with security and Gardaí alike. The Gardaí responded by a massive towing campaign and a free flow clampdown.

The organizers responded with a free bus from the railway car park [no free parking as far as I know but a free bus from there] the convention closed due to declining attendances !!!!!

BUNK1982

Thepikapi wrote: »

What cork really needs is to make a drastic change, that's the only real way the city is going to change for the better. A lot of other cities like London, Barcelona and Brussels were blessed with planning and amazing infrastructure, for cork to grow these "dream big" ideas are very important, that's how many cities rise from ashes and become huge great metropolises (I.e. Bilbao in Spain was a mining city, but now is a modern and artistic spot).We (as in the Irish) have a naturally defeatist attitude, and I believe that cork needs to move away from its poor, colonist past and become the city that it's people deserve, so let's give these super parks, light rail systems and urban areas a chance.

I like your thinking.

I also think that no matter where you build anything in Cork - traffic is going to be a problem and the city should look to pull as much development as possible closer to the centre.

The Brewery Quarter development would give the city a proper cultural/ social hub and could kick start a regeneration of Barrack Street, Proby's Quay, Friars Walk etc. There's so much up around that area like the cathedral, those old red brick houses, the wall by the Garda station.

Expanding the English Market into the Capitol and opening it late on Thurs/ Fri/ Sat is a good idea.

AugustusMinimus

IMO, I still think putting the Centre on Albert Quay would be a disaster.

An absolute disaster from a traffic point of view (would be beside the most important North-South traffic artery through the city centre).

It would also be in the middle of the business district. I would guess that this building would be used mainly for entertainment events. In that case it should be close to bars and restaurants.

Joined up thinking is the last thing Cork City Council indulge in. Expect Albert Quay to be chosen and recriminations for 20 years after.

dwiseman

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AugustusMinimus wrote: »

IMO, I still think putting the Centre on Albert Quay would be a disaster.

An absolute disaster from a traffic point of view (would be beside the most important North-South traffic artery through the city centre).

It would also be in the middle of the business district. I would guess that this building would be used mainly for entertainment events. In that case it should be close to bars and restaurants.

Joined up thinking is the last thing Cork City Council indulge in. Expect Albert Quay to be chosen and recriminations for 20 years after.

It's 5 minute walk to the city centre, 2 minutes form the clarion and jurys inn for accomodation, 5 minutes from the bus station, 10 to the train station. Easy access to the south link. Within 100 metres from Golbergs bar, The idle hour and the sextant. Numerous sites within 800 metres on centre park road to create ample parking for patrons. It is the most suitable site in the county, a real no brainer.

Balmed Out

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It's 5 minute walk to the city centre, 2 minutes form the clarion and jurys inn for accomodation, 5 minutes from the bus station, 10 to the train station. Easy access to the south link. Within 100 metres from Golbergs bar, The idle hour and the sextant. Numerous sites within 800 metres on centre park road to create ample parking for patrons. It is the most suitable site in the county, a real no brainer.

Disagree I think having it in the heart of the city in the Brewery complex is way more suitable.

dwiseman

Balmed Out wrote: »

Disagree I think having it in the heart of the city in the Brewery complex is way more suitable.

and get people to park by the marina and walk in? add more traffic to an already congested city centre by having them park in city centre car parks? It's in the hand of the city hall but hopefully they will see sense.

phatmanwc

dwiseman wrote: »

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It's 5 minute walk to the city centre, 2 minutes form the clarion and jurys inn for accomodation, 5 minutes from the bus station, 10 to the train station. Easy access to the south link. Within 100 metres from Golbergs bar, The idle hour and the sextant. Numerous sites within 800 metres on centre park road to create ample parking for patrons. It is the most suitable site in the county, a real no brainer.

I agree, most of the arguments against the Albert Quay site seem to be somewhat flawed. Not that I'm against the Brewery Quarter site (in fact, I would love to see it go ahead in some form, although I'm aware this may be contingent on the success of the Event Centre bid) but from an access/logistical point of view, Albert Quay is preferable, and is still extremely central in the greater scheme of things.

dwiseman

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I agree, most of the arguments against the Albert Quay site seem to be somewhat flawed. Not that I'm against the Brewery Quarter site (in fact, I would love to see it go ahead in some form, although I'm aware this may be contingent on the success of the Event Centre bid) but from an access/logistical point of view, Albert Quay is preferable, and is still extremely central in the greater scheme of things.

The Beamish site with its history and architectural heritage would be excellent as a centre for arts/crafts/museum things in that vein, making it an attraction to tourists 365 days a year and increasing visitor numbers to the city centre.

BUNK1982

dwiseman wrote: »

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It's 5 minute walk to the city centre, 2 minutes form the clarion and jurys inn for accomodation, 5 minutes from the bus station, 10 to the train station. Easy access to the south link. Within 100 metres from Golbergs bar, The idle hour and the sextant. Numerous sites within 800 metres on centre park road to create ample parking for patrons. It is the most suitable site in the county, a real no brainer.

It seems like a no brainer which is why the council will probably opt for it - no brains.

The Beamish site is already in the city centre.

Albert Quay is a great location for many different types of development but a 5,000 capacity events centre is not one of them. Drop that in there and all the arguments around traffic and accessibility will be moot.

Cork City and the city centre in particular is not built for cars - we can either accept that or keep trying to shoe horn developments into areas we think suit cars which in turn actualluy cause more congestion. The end result will be a donut shaped city full of Mahon Point type developments with no real character left.

Balmed Out

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and get people to park by the marina and walk in? add more traffic to an already congested city centre by having them park in city centre car parks? It's in the hand of the city hall but hopefully they will see sense.

Concerts happen at night. Theres no city centre congestion then. Most will use public transport or be staying in a city centre hotel. Putting it outside the heart of the city would result in far more car journeys.
Yes large conferences would affect day time traffic but again for large conferences most will stay in a city center hotel so they will be driving in there anyhow

dwiseman

BUNK1982 wrote: »

It seems like a no brainer which is why the council will probably opt for it - no brains.

Albert Quay is a great location for many different types of development but a 5,000 capacity events centre is not one of them. Drop that in there and all the arguments around traffic and accessibility will be moot.

The Beamish site is already in the city centre.

Can you elaborate as to why its not suitable or how you think the beamish site is more feasible?

dwiseman

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Concerts happen at night. Theres no city centre congestion then. Most will use public transport or be staying in a city centre hotel. Putting it outside the heart of the city would result in far more car journeys.
Yes large conferences would affect day time traffic but again for large conferences most will stay in a city center hotel so they will be driving in there anyhow

Concerts happen at night? Doors open around 5 to 6pm normally, you'd be increasing traffic at peak times. Outside the heart of the city? This isn't London you'd walk from one side of the city to another in under 15 minutes. Albert quay is also closer to the main arteries for traffic entering the city than the beamish site is so by your reasoning putting it in the beamish site would result in more car journeys....
Seriously, with all the time you had to reply that's all you could come up with? :rolleyes:

BUNK1982

dwiseman wrote: »

Can you elaborate as to why its not suitable or how you think the beamish site is more feasible?

I believe Albert Quay is not suitable for this particular development because:
1. it's at the end of the South Link Road and is the main route for crossing the city North/ South, that route is already in need of a relief bridge further down the river which was recommended as part of the docklands development
2. it won't won't fit in with the overall theme of the area which is more along the lines of a business district, i can't see it being a catalyst for developing the area
3. architecturally it won't add much to the city

By contrast if they go for the Beamish site
1. it creates definitive centre for culture, entertainment and the arts in Cork, good for locals and tourists alike as it's near St. Finbarres Cathedral, the Glucksmann, Fitzgeralds Park etc.
2. the surrounding area would benefit more from having it built there - lot's of pubs, restaurants and shops in the area already. Barrack Street and Douglas St. are affordable areas currently so people involved in the industry would start to live nearby and revitalise the community, old buildings would be done up etc.
3. It will look better

AugustusMinimus

dwiseman wrote: »

Concerts happen at night? Doors open around 5 to 6pm normally, you'd be increasing traffic at peak times. Outside the heart of the city? This isn't London you'd walk from one side of the city to another in under 15 minutes. Albert quay is also closer to the main arteries for traffic entering the city than the beamish site is so by your reasoning putting it in the beamish site would result in more car journeys....
Seriously, with all the time you had to reply that's all you could come up with? :rolleyes:

Do we really have to repeat Mahon Point but in the city centre.

Massive shopping centre development happens right beside the South Ring Road with a single access point and of course, it leads to traffic nightmare.

You want to see the Albert Quay development go ahead which will position it right beside the N27 which is the 2nd largest North-South traffic artery in the entire city. It could cause absolutely traffic chaos in the city centre.

AugustusMinimus

BUNK1982 wrote: »

I believe Albert Quay is not suitable for this particular development because:
1. it's at the end of the South Link Road and is the main route for crossing the city North/ South, that route is already in need of a relief bridge further down the river which was recommended as part of the docklands development
2. it won't won't fit in with the overall theme of the area which is more along the lines of a business district, i can't see it being a catalyst for developing the area
3. architecturally it won't add much to the city

By contrast if they go for the Beamish site
1. it creates definitive centre for culture, entertainment and the arts in Cork, good for locals and tourists alike as it's near St. Finbarres Cathedral, the Glucksmann, Fitzgeralds Park etc.
2. the surrounding area would benefit more from having it built there - lot's of pubs, restaurants and shops in the area already. Barrack Street and Douglas St. are affordable areas currently so people involved in the industry would start to live nearby and revitalise the community, old buildings would be done up etc.
3. It will look better

What a difference is would make to South Main Street and the area in general. The area at present is viewed as the cultural / nightlife area of the city. This development would only enhance it further.

Milly33

Well said!!! It would be daft to put it in the City, again another Mahon Point which will be chocker block for any events.. And haha bring more work to town me arse they will probably outsource any new work there is

dwiseman

BUNK1982 wrote: »

I believe Albert Quay is not suitable for this particular development because:
1. it's at the end of the South Link Road and is the main route for crossing the city North/ South, that route is already in need of a relief bridge further down the river which was recommended as part of the docklands development
2. it won't won't fit in with the overall theme of the area which is more along the lines of a business district, i can't see it being a catalyst for developing the area
3. architecturally it won't add much to the city

By contrast if they go for the Beamish site
1. it creates definitive centre for culture, entertainment and the arts in Cork, good for locals and tourists alike as it's near St. Finbarres Cathedral, the Glucksmann, Fitzgeralds Park etc.
2. the surrounding area would benefit more from having it built there - lot's of pubs, restaurants and shops in the area already. Barrack Street and Douglas St. are affordable areas currently so people involved in the industry would start to live nearby and revitalise the community, old buildings would be done up etc.
3. It will look better

For all that typing you have no solid argument.

All the reasons you gave for it to go into the city centre can be applied to Albert quay, revitalization of an area, benefit to surrounding area. Some waffle about affordable areas and people starting to live nearby?

Then you talk about why albert quay isn't suitable and you mention how its at the end of the link, which gives it a clear advantage, so dont really see your point. Then you address the theme of the area. The area is changing as the city expands, the placement of the venue here would be major driving force for many other developments and businesses in the area, that's economics. Then you give architecture your unique critque.

AugustusMinimus

dwiseman wrote: »

For all that typing you have no solid argument.

All the reasons you gave for it to go into the city centre can be applied to Albert quay, revitalization of an area, benefit to surrounding area. Some waffle about affordable areas and people starting to live nearby?

Then you talk about why albert quay isn't suitable and you mention how its at the end of the link, which gives it a clear advantage, so dont really see your point. Then you address the theme of the area. The area is changing as the city expands, the placement of the venue here would be major driving force for many other developments and businesses in the area, that's economics. Then you give architecture your unique critque.

You are clearly ignoring 2 points.

1. The traffic chaos it will cause placing a 5,000 seater arena beside the N27. As has been experienced just about everywhere in the country, putting large developments right beside important traffic arteries is a big no no.
2. That it is being built in the middle of the business district when the development will be largely an entertainment venue.

dwiseman

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Do we really have to repeat Mahon Point but in the city centre.

Massive shopping centre development happens right beside the South Ring Road with a single access point and of course, it leads to traffic nightmare.

You want to see the Albert Quay development go ahead which will position it right beside the N27 which is the 2nd largest North-South traffic artery in the entire city. It could cause absolutely traffic chaos in the city centre.

And if you place it at the beamish site where do you think the traffic will go as it exits the link? Into the city centre?

AugustusMinimus

dwiseman wrote: »

And if you place it at the beamish site where do you think the traffic will go as it exits the link? Into the city centre?

People all won't be using the link to access the Beamish site.

The location of Albert Quay leads to only 3 access points. North and South on the N27 and the Blackrock to the West. That is all.

On the other hand, the Beamish site is more accessible with higher street density in the area and the one way systems actually being a lot more helpful overall. Thankfully, South Main street isn't a traffic hot spot.

dwiseman

Let's see how it pans out then.

Balmed Out

dwiseman wrote: »

Concerts happen at night? Doors open around 5 to 6pm normally, you'd be increasing traffic at peak times. Outside the heart of the city? This isn't London you'd walk from one side of the city to another in under 15 minutes. Albert quay is also closer to the main arteries for traffic entering the city than the beamish site is so by your reasoning putting it in the beamish site would result in more car journeys....
Seriously, with all the time you had to reply that's all you could come up with? :rolleyes:

I havent seen anything you've said with any actual point other then throw away comments such as 'no brainier' so its a bit childish and rich replying in such a flippant manner.

It may have escaped you but congestion in the city at 6pm is worst on out ward routes, not approach routes.

It may also escape your notice but while albert quay is very accessible from Douglas, mahon and Blackrock its not so easy from other areas. Indeed for anyone approaching from the north itll be a bit of a bottle neck bringing a car there.

I dont like to be dismissive but seriously, with all the time you had to reply that's all you could come up with? :rolleyes

I dont think its a perfect choice but it is the best choice imho. Id be more worried about losing views of the cathedral and yes the area could do with more parking but from a transport viewpoint, a tourist viewpoint, a city management viewpoint I think its the best option.

dwiseman

Balmed Out wrote: »

I havent seen anything you've said with any actual point other then throw away comments such as 'no brainier' so its a bit childish and rich replying in such a flippant manner.

It may have escaped you but congestion in the city at 6pm is worst on out ward routes, not approach routes.

It may also escape your notice but while albert quay is very accessible from Douglas, mahon and Blackrock its not so easy from other areas. Indeed for anyone approaching from the north itll be a bit of a bottle neck bringing a car there.

I dont like to be dismissive but seriously, with all the time you had to reply that's all you could come up with? :rolleyes

I dont think its a perfect choice but it is the best choice imho. Id be more worried about losing views of the cathedral and yes the area could do with more parking but from a transport viewpoint, a tourist viewpoint, a city management viewpoint I think its the best option.

Approaching from the north off dunkettle through tivoli and directly onto albert quay couldnt be more straightfoward. The point in dublin would be a similar scenario with regard to its position. Anyway this is all conjecture we will see the result soon enough.

BUNK1982

dwiseman wrote: »

For all that typing you have no solid argument.

All the reasons you gave for it to go into the city centre can be applied to Albert quay, revitalization of an area, benefit to surrounding area. Some waffle about affordable areas and people starting to live nearby?

Then you talk about why albert quay isn't suitable and you mention how its at the end of the link, which gives it a clear advantage, so dont really see your point. Then you address the theme of the area. The area is changing as the city expands, the placement of the venue here would be major driving force for many other developments and businesses in the area, that's economics. Then you give architecture your unique critque.

It's not waffle - it's looking at this particular development in the context of the city's development as a whole in the short, medium and long term. Like i said, the Albert Quay area is an excellent development opportunity but just not suitable for this.

1. Affordable areas and living in the city centre could lead to a thriving cultural scene in Cork with enormous economic potential. Having a large population in the city centre reduces crime and ensures the area is well kept - money follows voters!
2. This development at the end of the link road increases traffic on the link which leads to congestion a la Mahon Point, Dunkettle and the Jack Lynch tunnel
3. Yes the theme of the Albert Quay area is changing - towards high rise office blocks, which i agree with but why drop a venue in there? Also why is the city expanding?? There are loads of areas primed for development in the centre so why not use them.
4. If you want economics, then try selling an Event Organiser an identikit glass and steel box that could be built anywhere. Or sell a venue that used to be a world famous brewery, has a museum nearby that maintains the original facade and is overlooked by the city's historic walls and cathedral

dwiseman

BUNK1982 wrote: »

It's not waffle - it's looking at this particular development in the context of the city's development as a whole in the short, medium and long term. Like i said, the Albert Quay area is an excellent development opportunity but just not suitable for this.

1. Affordable areas and living in the city centre could lead to a thriving cultural scene in Cork with enormous economic potential. Having a large population in the city centre reduces crime and ensures the area is well kept - money follows voters!
2. This development at the end of the link road increases traffic on the link which leads to congestion a la Mahon Point, Dunkettle and the Jack Lynch tunnel
3. Yes the theme of the Albert Quay area is changing - towards high rise office blocks, which i agree with but why drop a venue in there? Also why is the city expanding?? There are loads of areas primed for development in the centre so why not use them.
4. If you want economics, then try selling an Event Organiser an identikit glass and steel box that could be built anywhere. Or sell a venue that used to be a world famous brewery, has a museum nearby that maintains the original facade and is overlooked by the city's historic walls and cathedral

We will see soon enough.

Nash Bridges

Does anyone know when a formal decision will be made?

Whichever site is chosen I think it will be a very positive addition to the city.

evilivor

Nash Bridges wrote: »

Does anyone know when a formal decision will be made?

July 8th.

Cork City Council will then decide whether or not they will put City funding into it the following week.

AugustusMinimus

evilivor wrote: »

July 8th.

Cork City Council will then decide whether or not they will put City funding into it the following week.

What exactly are they deciding on July 8th. I thought the only decision was which one to put public funding into as planning has already been granted to both sites ?

evilivor

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

What exactly are they deciding on July 8th. I thought the only decision was which one to put public funding into as planning has already been granted to both sites ?

There are two tranches of pubic funding available - €10m in state funding and Cork City Council's potential investment of a further €6m

The evaluation panel is issuing its report July 8 indicating the preferred developer. Councillors will then decide on whether the City Council should invest its own funds in the event centre at a meeting on July 14.

draiochtanois

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