Are protein shakes bad?

sw33t_r3v3ng3

Whats the problem with them? i see people all the time drinking them but im pretty sure i heard they were fairly bad for you?

Alf Veedersane

sw33t_r3v3ng3 wrote: »

Whats the problem with them? i see people all the time drinking them but im pretty sure i heard they were fairly bad for you?

They're a way of getting enough protein when you don't get enough from food. Nothing more sinister than that really.

sw33t_r3v3ng3

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

They're a way of getting enough protein when you don't get enough from food. Nothing more sinister than that really.

Oh, so basically what your saying is that they're not bad unless your diet is bad ?

Alf Veedersane

sw33t_r3v3ng3 wrote: »

Oh, so basically what your saying is that they're not bad unless your diet is bad ?

No, that's not what I'm saying. It's just protein-there nothing bad about it.

househero

Its milk, your Irish, drink it.

What you heard is bllix. Milk is made of 2 proteins, whey (protein shakes) and caesin (not in protein shakes and has been linked to cancer)

Whey protein is what is left over after making cheese.its liquid. They dry it and sometimes add crappy sugar derivatives and flavour, buy plain.

The 2 best protein brands are Reflex (the only one approved by the Food and drugs administration USA FDA) and Glanbia (Irish high quality and cold micro filtered)

My protein is popular, but so is mcdonalds. If you care about your body you don't eat what's popular. If your not exercising don't bother drinking it, no point.

Blacktie.

househero wrote: »

Its milk, your Irish, drink it.

What you heard is bllix. Milk is made of 2 proteins, whey (protein shakes) and caesin (not in protein shakes and has been linked to cancer)

Whey protein is what is left over after making cheese.its liquid. They dry it and sometimes add crappy sugar derivatives and flavour, buy plain.

The 2 best protein brands are Reflex (the only one approved by the Food and drugs administration USA FDA) and Glanbia (Irish high quality and cold micro filtered)

My protein is popular, but so is mcdonalds. If you care about your body you don't eat what's popular. If your not exercising don't bother drinking it, no point.

Equating Mc Donalds to myprotein? Yeah good analogy there :rolleyes:

OP protein powders are a convenient way to top up your protein during the day. Nothing bad about them. The general public thinks a lot things are bad. Sure I'd even say most people I know would think creatine was a steroid. People are very misinformed about supplements.

Mellor

househero wrote: »

What you heard is bllix. Milk is made of 2 proteins, whey (protein shakes) and caesin (not in protein shakes and has been linked to cancer)

The fact you think caesin is never used in protein shakes means we should take the rest of your post with a massive pinch of salt.

My protein is popular, but so is mcdonalds. If you care about your body you don't eat what's popular. If your not exercising don't bother drinking it, no point.

MyProtein is popular because it's business model allows it to undercut its competitors. The raw ingredients are sourced in bulk just like other brands. The reality is, the same suppliers sources the whole industry.

generic2012

househero wrote: »

Its milk, your Irish, drink it.

What you heard is bllix. Milk is made of 2 proteins, whey (protein shakes) and caesin (not in protein shakes and has been linked to cancer)

Whey protein is what is left over after making cheese.its liquid. They dry it and sometimes add crappy sugar derivatives and flavour, buy plain.

The 2 best protein brands are Reflex (the only one approved by the Food and drugs administration USA FDA) and Glanbia (Irish high quality and cold micro filtered)

My protein is popular, but so is mcdonalds. If you care about your body you don't eat what's popular. If your not exercising don't bother drinking it, no point.

You shot yourself in the foot there. You're Glanbia make the highest quality whey protein, it's used in ON products...it's also used for myprotein impact whey too though. And I don't know where you heard that about casein and cancer but I'd forget about it.

generic2012

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83640422

househero

Caesin IS linked to cancer, plenty of research papers on it and caesin shouldnt be used in anything apart from a pre bed drink, if at all. Mixing slow with fast digesting protein, reduces the absorption rate of the fast digesting protein, that is counter productive in a post workout protein source. The VERY reason why Whey is so highly regarded. I cant be bothered to argue with bro scientists, you can do your own research, or follow the crowd and ignore the research.

For example the scientific studies on CLS weight reduction, was done with 10 x higher doses than are commercially sold (go read the research papers), there was NO affect using the doses that are sold over the counter as a diet aid and it was administered via a line, not orally, bypassing gastric breakdown. They forget to mention this in the ads. But if they sold the dose used in the studies, the product would cost 10x more. Its not cheap to manufacture.

Myprotein use 'microwaved' whey, previously used by the industry as animal feed, it is NOT sourced from Glanbia, 6 years ago it did use Glanbia as a supplier. MyProtein use whey from Eastern Europe which is 'Manufactured' (packaged) there, but sourced from China and in turn sourced from New Zealand. The certificates of compliance come complete with irradiation ( industrial microwaving ) certificates and guarantees that they contain no orgainic compounds. Great quality product.

You think you can eat steak for burger money?

MyProtein undercut Glanbia by a HUGE margin... But Glanbia MAKE whey (not just package it like MP).

LIKE I SAID MYPROTEIN IS POPULAR, JUST LIKE MCDONALDS IS POPULAR. I Prefer Steak, over a burger any day.

The UK does not have the same regulations as Ireland on beef, or dairy which is why they under cut our own suppliers. There are only two reputable companies that manufacture whey Glanbias ON, and the FDA approved Reflex.

Even Fontanna based in NZ, the worlds biggest whey manufacturer is a dodgy bunch. Last year there product was tainted with Botulism and they had NO IDEA where the supply ended up (MyProtein also use Fontanna as a supplier... but they did not recall any of their products) Which may be where the OP heard whey was bad for you...

#BroScienceAlert

the groutch

#IworkforGlabia

generic2012

the groutch wrote: »

#IworkforGlabia

The plot thickens...

I worked for a fierce rival of yours for a few years. Glad I got out before 2015, me and you could have really fallen out!

generic2012

househero wrote: »

Caesin IS linked to cancer, plenty of research papers on it and caesin shouldnt be used in anything apart from a pre bed drink, if at all. Mixing slow with fast digesting protein, reduces the absorption rate of the fast digesting protein, that is counter productive in a post workout protein source. The VERY reason why Whey is so highly regarded. I cant be bothered to argue with bro scientists, you can do your own research, or follow the crowd and ignore the research.

Arguing with yourself would be bizarre and I condone your hesitance in doing such. Net protein intake is what matters, not digestion speed or whatever you're trying to say. If that was the case strength athletes would only consume sugar, BCAAs and oil.

househero wrote: »

For example the scientific studies on CLS weight reduction, was done with 10 x higher doses than are commercially sold (go read the research papers), there was NO affect using the doses that are sold over the counter as a diet aid and it was administered via a line, not orally, bypassing gastric breakdown. They forget to mention this in the ads. But if they sold the dose used in the studies, the product would cost 10x more. Its not cheap to manufacture.

Excuse my ignorance but I don't know what CLS stands for? And could you explain what you mean by doses, as in doses of what etc.

househero wrote: »

Myprotein use 'microwaved' whey, previously used by the industry as animal feed, it is NOT sourced from Glanbia, 6 years ago it did use Glanbia as a supplier. MyProtein use whey from Eastern Europe which is 'Manufactured' (packaged) there, but sourced from China and in turn sourced from New Zealand. The certificates of compliance come complete with irradiation ( industrial microwaving ) certificates and guarantees that they contain no orgainic compounds. Great quality product.

WTF is microwaved whey!? Liquid whey was often given to pigs but it was realised that it could be dried and sold as a sports/health supplement, and an effective one at that. I don't see your point? I asked Glanbia reps myself last year and they said they supply myprotein.

househero wrote: »

You think you can eat steak for burger money?

Steak Burgers.

househero

generic2012 wrote: »

The plot thickens...

I worked for a fierce rival of yours for a few years. Glad I got out before 2015,

Me too. 3 Years out now and not looking back at the #BroScientists passing around chinese whispers on how to look like Arnie. Its food, not roids. Quality food costs money.

Fonterra look like they will even consume Glanbia in the next year or 2. But they did do a lot of damage to their reputation last year http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/10153131/Fonterra-settles-with-NZX-for-150k Profits down 66%! In one year and a big fine. Maybe there is still hope for competition, or prices will skyrocket.

Before I left, I became aware of some VERY high up persuasive people in Europe, trying to stop the UK's lax dairy regulation. I think the missing poisoned whey from Fonterra may be the push for new regulations to be forced on the UK. When prices go up, they will realize they had been conned for years with a grey market import, not possible or plausible at the price retailed.

generic2012

househero wrote: »

Me too. 3 Years clean now and not looking back at the #BroScientists passing around chinese whispers on how to look like Arnie. Its food. Quality costs money.

Fonterra (bloody spellcheck android) look like they will even consume Glanbia in the next year or 2. But they did do a lot of damage to their reputation last year http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/10153131/Fonterra-settles-with-NZX-for-150k Maybe there is still hope, or prices will skyrocket.

I worked with a rival dairy processor, nothing specifically to do with nutrition and Arnie was never mentioned... It's not quality that creates the price discrepancy. ON have sponsored athletes and sports teams as well as a massive marketing campaign, all that has to be reflected in the price.

What's with the hash tags?

SeaDaily

househero wrote: »

#BroScienceAlert

I'm glad you labelled your post as such, so we know not to take it seriously.

househero

generic2012 wrote: »

I worked with a rival dairy processor, nothing specifically to do with nutrition and Arnie was never mentioned... It's not quality that creates the price discrepancy. ON have sponsored athletes and sports teams as well as a massive marketing campaign, all that has to be reflected in the price.

What's with the hash tags?

I worked in the nutritionals dept, not the brand. We had no sponsorships or overheads past manufacturing. The price disparity was significant.

So called UK 'Manufacturers, that claim to have no sponsorship or brand, sell grey market imports that a responsible manufacturer wouldnt touch with a barge pole. They cant trace it to source and that's the way the 'no brands' like it. If there is a problem, it was a 'supplier issue'.


It wont last long before it is regulated or a big problem emerges (just like the horse meat scandal) There have already been problems that they tried to cover up. A very big well known UK 'Non Brand' whey retailer was caught selling 45% whey as 80%....

househero

SeaDaily wrote: »

I'm glad you labelled your post as such, so we know not to take it seriously.

Im glad you think you know what you are talking about.

SeaDaily

househero wrote: »

Im glad you think you know what you are talking about.

Haha your arrogance is astounding. You are trying to sound knowledgeable about this subject but you can't even spell casein...

generic2012

Could I get a response to my earlier post asking what CLS was, and maybe you could back up your views on casein and cancer as that's a very dangerous thing to say on a public forum where people who might be taking casein can read it. And also more on this microwaved whey, it sounds like it'll be a good laugh.

the groutch

generic2012 wrote: »

The plot thickens...

I worked for a fierce rival of yours for a few years. Glad I got out before 2015, me and you could have really fallen out!

Think you misunderstood
I was referring to the guy above me and his overpromotion of Glanbia related products.
.

generic2012

the groutch wrote: »

Think you misunderstood
I was referring to the guy above me and his overpromotion of Glanbia related products.
.

Oh fcuk.

househero

generic2012 wrote: »

Could I get a response to my earlier post asking what CLS was, and maybe you could back up your views on casein and cancer as that's a very dangerous thing to say on a public forum where people who might be taking casein can read it. And also more on this microwaved whey, it sounds like it'll be a good laugh.

Google is your friend. Start with Wikipedia and read the REFERENCES, they link to scientific studies. You could spend a week reading all the studies.

Casein has been linked to higher rates of tumour growth.

There is nothing dangerous about information. Ignorance is far more dangerous.

I was NOT promoting Glanbia, I have no affiliation with Glanbia and I pointed out the only two reputable companies that manufacture whey that I am aware of, Reflex and Glanbia, three years ago I would have included Fonterra in the list, but nobody wants Botulism. I also even went as far as explaining why these two companies are reputable in my original post. If you prefer MyProtein, that is your decision. If somebody would like to make an informed decision on what they are ingesting, it is only fair if they are aware of differences that UK based sports supplement packagers 'manufacturers' try very hard to hide.


Why do people on boards.ie gang up and attempt to ridicule somebody when they are offering valuable advice? Do you work for MyProtein?

househero

SeaDaily wrote: »

Haha your arrogance is astounding. You are trying to sound knowledgeable about this subject but you can't even spell casein...

What has my dyslexia got to do with my intellect? FYI I have a masters degree, I am glad my peers were not as intolerant of my disability as you.

SeaDaily

househero wrote: »

What has my dyslexia got to do with my intellect? FYI I have a masters degree, I am glad my peers were not as intolerant of my disability as you.

My point was you shouldn't be ridiculing others when you yourself are making mistakes.

"Im glad you think you know what you are talking about."

Did they teach you to be self-righteous and arrogant while you were studying for your masters degree? Also holding a masters degree does not mean you are infallible. You cannot make claims and expect people not to refute them just because you may have studied in the area.

Please give this study a read and then tell me again that casein causes cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=12769737

TGJD

Mellor wrote: »

The fact you think caesin is never used in protein shakes means we should take the rest of your post with a massive pinch of salt.


MyProtein is popular because it's business model allows it to undercut its competitors. The raw ingredients are sourced in bulk just like other brands. The reality is, the same suppliers sources the whole industry.

I agree. That comparison has to be a joke. Its the same basic ingredients except the plain whey from mp isnt full of filler ingredients. Reflex is good but no better than most other brands. Its all the same stuff you are just paying for fancy packaging. And as far as i know usn has a more extensive qc protocol. This guy seems to be quoting some hear say someone told him.

TGJD

To househero, i mean no disrespect but i have also studied this area and i see no reliable study stating that casein has a causative link to cancer. And in terms of discussing fast digesting whey for athletes, in my experience and studies total protein intake with proper amino acid profile is key. Your body absorbs nutrients slowly over time at a steady rate, not like throwing diesel on a fire. I am happy to debate this topic if you can refrain from the condesending aggressive posting style you have been exhibiting.

Newport81

Just buy kinetica it's passed all the tests and it's irish. Win win

generic2012

househero wrote: »

Google is your friend. Start with Wikipedia and read the REFERENCES, they link to scientific studies. You could spend a week reading all the studies.

Casein has been linked to higher rates of tumour growth.

There is nothing dangerous about information. Ignorance is far more dangerous.

I was NOT promoting Glanbia, I have no affiliation with Glanbia and I pointed out the only two reputable companies that manufacture whey that I am aware of, Reflex and Glanbia, three years ago I would have included Fonterra in the list, but nobody wants Botulism. I also even went as far as explaining why these two companies are reputable in my original post. If you prefer MyProtein, that is your decision. If somebody would like to make an informed decision on what they are ingesting, it is only fair if they are aware of differences that UK based sports supplement packagers 'manufacturers' try very hard to hide.


Why do people on boards.ie gang up and attempt to ridicule somebody when they are offering valuable advice? Do you work for MyProtein?

Tumour growth is very very different from causing cancer. I hope you're not getting this from the China Study? The fact that you seem to have a touch of paranoia about big supplement companies, make pretty outlandish claims with no evidence then cover yourself by science you do 'research' and know science and that everyone else is a bro and that they should do their own research.

People on boards.ie don't gang up. Do you think people send each other private messages and pick you out? When you are wrong, statistically there are likely to be more people right, so if you are too 'ignorant' (to use your own words) and arrogant to think that maybe you are wrong, of course you're going to think people are ganging up on you, when in reality you are wrong and everyone else is right.

Not saying this is always the case of course! I've been outnumbered in opinion on this site many times but when I am, I question my own views and see if they are still tenable, not dig my heels in like a child against the world as many posters of late have done.