Rally challenges citizenship restrictions

rgossip30

Cannot post url's but google Rally challenges citizenship restrictions Irish Times.

I lose any sympathy for these people how they exaggerate their circumstances here .
How can a South African claim asylum when its regarded as a safe country ?
Does that mean if you are a white South African you can claim too ?
A case for discrimination if not possible.
There was an American who claimed asylum in Ireland and had a video on you tube but cannot find it ?

Hootanany

More do gooders

Czarcasm

So no link to the story, then you make up a scenario to claim discrimination you're not even sure is discriminatory. There's a video about an American asylum seeker on YouTube but you can't find that either...

Seriously? This is worse than the other thread about some French politician!

Donkey Oaty

Story here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/rally-challenges-citizenship-restrictions-1.1829001

Key quote for everyone to get outraged over:

Nomaxabiso Maye from South Africa lived in direct provision for 3½ years. She compared life in the centre to living under the apartheid regime.
“I always compare and contrast the asylum system with the one of the apartheid system in South Africa, and it seems to be the same,” she said.
“Even worse than the same because people in South Africa worked during the apartheid system; even though they earned peanuts, they worked.”

Phoebas

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Key quote for everyone to get outraged over:

On direct provision for over 3 years - that is outrageous.

oppenheimer1

Phoebas wrote: »

On direct provision for over 3 years - that is outrageous.

It's only outrageous if her case hadn't been heard. As almost all cases get heard within 12 months it's likely anyone there longer is appealing a rejection of their application.

Phoebas

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

It's only outrageous if her case hadn't been heard. As almost all cases get heard within 12 months it's likely anyone there longer is appealing a rejection of their application.

Its outrageous in either case. This is far too long for the process to take regardless of who's holding it up.

rgossip30

Czarcasm wrote: »

So no link to the story, then you make up a scenario to claim discrimination you're not even sure is discriminatory. There's a video about an American asylum seeker on YouTube but you can't find that either...

Seriously? This is worse than the other thread about some French politician!

I cannot post links I am a new user. I was asking if anyone had a link to the American asylum seeker or any information.
I am sorry you are so upset .I have tissues. I suggest you accommodate some if you are so worried.

No Pants

Phoebas wrote: »

Its outrageous in either case. This is far too long for the process to take regardless of who's holding it up.

Absolutely. We should invest more time and money in hearing the case of someone who we've said no to already.

AnonoBoy

Direct provision is a ridiculous limbo.

The system has to be overhauled.

We need to get people through and dealt with quicker - make them leave or let them stay based on their individual cases but keeping them in direct provision for years is stupid and inhumane.

Alf. A. Male

rgossip30 wrote: »

I lose any sympathy for these people how they exaggerate their circumstances here .
How can a South African claim asylum when its regarded as a safe country ?
Does that mean if you are a white South African you can claim too ?
A case for discrimination if not possible.
There was an American who claimed asylum in Ireland and had a video on you tube but cannot find it ?

How do you know they've exaggerated their circumstances?
South Africa may be a safe country in some respects, but it's far from safe for all its inhabitants.
Yes, if you are a white South African you can claim asylum.
As can Americans. You can claim asylum no matter where you are from, so long as you're outside your country of habitual residence. The success or failure of your claim will depend on the reasons you are outside that country and the existence of more appropriate options for you, such as dual nationality, among other criteria.
If you're goiong to bother starting a thread, make a little effort to educate yourself, this information is all freely available and will save you from stupid opening posts.

foggy_lad

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Story here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/rally-challenges-citizenship-restrictions-1.1829001

Key quote for everyone to get outraged over:

So this woman is saying that Ireland is worse than south Africa during the apartheid era yet she still wants to stay here because all her needs are catered for with no cost to her? Why is she here seeking asylum from a safe country? Is she just another economic migrant trying to get in for the welfare benefits which are almost non existent in south Africa?

Alf. A. Male

foggy_lad wrote: »

So this woman is saying that Ireland is worse than south Africa during the apartheid era

No, she was clearly referring to the asylum system and in particular direct provision. At least get outraged over the right thing.

kingchess

and Ireland is next to south africa so where else could she go,

vitani

foggy_lad wrote: »

So this woman is saying that Ireland is worse than south Africa during the apartheid era yet she still wants to stay here because all her needs are catered for with no cost to her? Why is she here seeking asylum from a safe country? Is she just another economic migrant trying to get in for the welfare benefits which are almost non existent in south Africa?

Whatever about the reasons for her claiming asylum, can we stop pretending that the direct provision system is some kind of haven for asylum seekers?

bear1

I'm curious.
I'm Irish and have a Polish wife. If my child was to be born in Poland for example is he/she entitled immediately to Irish citizenship?
Stupid question I know, just wondering.

No Pants

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Direct provision is a ridiculous limbo.

The system has to be overhauled.

We need to get people through and dealt with quicker - make them leave or let them stay based on their individual cases but keeping them in direct provision for years is stupid and inhumane.

And since it's Mosney, in keeping with the spirit of the place, there could be a trapdoor at the hearing. If the decision doesn't go their way, the trapdoor opens, they drop into a waterslide which deposits them in the sea.

Pocoyo

I take offense to an obese asylum seeker taken a plane to ireland under the guise of a holiday or visiting family,When genuine asylum seekers(warzone inhabitants) dont have that luxury.

Its time to restrict asylum seekers to countries officially at war only.

On another note do these roma gypsies have free open access to ireland now? Im seeing hundreds of them everywhere yet i have yet to see one working anywhere after years of their community being in ireland you would expect to see one in employment even if it were in a mc donalds.... I genuinely have not seen one of them working!!!!! But i have held and rang the gardai on at least 20/30 of them in my former job as a retail security guard.

It got to the point where if a female gypsy enters the shop you simply following them using the camera system and more than likely you will catch them shop lifting.
If anyone else in security is reading this they will back me up i admit this can be seen as is racial profiling but its fact and true.

Fred Swanson

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Specialun

A Rally?

What's the entry list like? Many Mk II 's or rwd

Fred Swanson

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suicide_circus

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yep, same way irish travellers have full access to the UK

BBJBIG

Easy Peezy :-

Deport the Lot.

Problem solved.

Maphisto

If it helps my wife can do a great South African accent, although it dies fall off after a while into Nigerian.

Pocoyo

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yep, same way irish travellers have full access to the UK

Maybe if they stopped making tv shows about them they would feck off home. The brits obviously love the travellers their never off the air.

Reekwind

It always baffles me how anyone from Ireland - a country that should count people amongst its primary exports - can have such blinkered, intolerant and ignorant views on immigration.

Donkey Oaty

bear1 wrote: »

I'm curious.
I'm Irish and have a Polish wife. If my child was to be born in Poland for example is he/she entitled immediately to Irish citizenship?
Stupid question I know, just wondering.

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Fred is right if you were born in Ireland - but if you are an Irish citizen who wasn't born in Ireland, your child is not automatically an Irish citizen but is entitled to become one (i.e. it has to be applied for via foreign births registration).

Paramite Pie

foggy_lad wrote: »

So this woman is saying that Ireland is worse than south Africa during the apartheid era yet she still wants to stay here because all her needs are catered for with no cost to her? Why is she here seeking asylum from a safe country? Is she just another economic migrant trying to get in for the welfare benefits which are almost non existent in south Africa?

Wow, you really put an interesting spin on that didn't you. It's against the law for Asylum seekers to get a job in Ireland, and they could be jailed for working. That is what she's complaining about -- as she clearly said she could've worked under apartheid but not in Ireland.

She wants to be taken OFF benefits and look for work/place to live. And yet your outraged...:rolleyes:

bear1

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Fred is right if you were born in Ireland - but if you are an Irish citizen who wasn't born in Ireland, your child is not automatically an Irish citizen but is entitled to become one (i.e. it has to be applied for via foreign births registration).

Right well then now it's tricky.
My father is Irish and I was born in London but spent most of my life in Ireland.
PPS number/passport/driving licence ecc is Irish.
So by this logic my child would have to apply for citizenship?

Pocoyo

Reekwind wrote: »

It always baffles me how people from Ireland - a country that should count people amongst its primary exports - can have such blinkered, intolerant and ignorant views on immigration.

Nah the only time anti immigration views in ireland annoy me is when its in regards to the working polish etc,But as for fraudulent asylum seekers or benefit tourists etc then the peoples anger is utterly acceptable.

Fred Swanson

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BBJBIG

Reekwind wrote: »

It always baffles me how people from Ireland - a country that should count people amongst its primary exports - can have such blinkered, intolerant and ignorant views on immigration.

That is because by-and-large we are sending abroad well-rounded, well-educated, well-skilled and hardworking individuals.

What we get coming in by-and-large is riff raff from 3rd World countries that nobody else wants and looking to undercut the local workforce in a race to the bottom. Soon we'll end up like the yUK - a pure dumping ground for the dregs of humanity.

Banned

Mod.

Donkey Oaty

bear1 wrote: »

Right well then now it's tricky.
My father is Irish and I was born in London but spent most of my life in Ireland.
PPS number/passport/driving licence ecc is Irish.
So by this logic my child would have to apply for citizenship?

It's not the same as a full application, as far as I know - it's more of a "claim" that needs to be registered.

Citizens Advice states:

If you were born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen who was himself or herself born outside Ireland and if any of your grandparents was born in Ireland, then you are entitled to become an Irish citizen. However before you can claim Irish citizenship, you must have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, which is maintained by the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade - see 'How to apply' below. If you are entitled to register, your Irish citizenship is effective from the date of registration - not from the date when you were born.

Muise...

Pocoyo wrote: »

I take offense to an obese asylum seeker taken a plane to ireland under the guise of a holiday or visiting family,When genuine asylum seekers(warzone inhabitants) dont have that luxury.

Its time to restrict asylum seekers to countries officially at war only.

On another note do these roma gypsies have free open access to ireland now? Im seeing hundreds of them everywhere yet i have yet to see one working anywhere after years of their community being in ireland you would expect to see one in employment even if it were in a mc donalds.... I genuinely have not seen one of them working!!!!! But i have held and rang the gardai on at least 20/30 of them in my former job as a retail security guard.

It got to the point where if a female gypsy enters the shop you simply following them using the camera system and more than likely you will catch them shop lifting.
If anyone else in security is reading this they will back me up i admit this can be seen as is racial profiling but its fact and true.

Six Prejudices in Search of a Point, by LooLa Pirandello.

bear1

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Donkey Oaty wrote: »

It's not the same as a full application, as far as I know - it's more of a "claim" that needs to be registered.

Citizens Advice states:

Cheers guys, had no idea it was like that.
Seems straight forward enough.
Child is born, birth cert brought the my embassy in Poland for him/her to then become an Irish citizen.
Thanks again guys

Arthur Beesley

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Story here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/rally-challenges-citizenship-restrictions-1.1829001

Key quote for everyone to get outraged over:

Ecomonic migrant != asylum seeker. Presumably she is free to go home when ever she likes.

Arthur Beesley

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Direct provision is a ridiculous limbo.

The system has to be overhauled.

We need to get people through and dealt with quicker - make them leave or let them stay based on their individual cases but keeping them in direct provision for years is stupid and inhumane.

It's not really. A major part of the delay is the bogus applicants using every appeal process in the book to delay the inevitable.

It is cheaper to keep them in direct provision, and given that the majority of them are not legitimate asylum seekers, they have the option to leave if they are not satisfied.

BBJBIG

vitani wrote: »

Oh, FFS. This has to be one of the most ignorant, offensive posts I've ever read on here, and that's saying something.

HuH ???

No Pants

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

It's not really. A major part of the delay is the bogus applicants using every appeal process in the book to delay the inevitable.

It is cheaper to keep them in direct provision, and given that the majority of them are not legitimate asylum seekers, they have the option to leave if they are not satisfied.

Pamela Izevbekhai anyone?

foggy_lad

Alf. A. Male wrote: »

No, she was clearly referring to the asylum system and in particular direct provision. At least get outraged over the right thing.

She has the opportunity to be repatriated if unhappy with the system here!

vitani wrote: »

Whatever about the reasons for her claiming asylum, can we stop pretending that the direct provision system is some kind of haven for asylum seekers?

It provides food shelter and all a body needs to survive, if they want anything more they should try their luck in a different country.

No Pants wrote: »

And since it's Mosney, in keeping with the spirit of the place, there could be a trapdoor at the hearing. If the decision doesn't go their way, the trapdoor opens, they drop into a waterslide which deposits them in the sea.

That slide only empties into the boat pond:D

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

It's not really. A major part of the delay is the bogus applicants using every appeal process in the book to delay the inevitable.

It is cheaper to keep them in direct provision, and given that the majority of them are not legitimate asylum seekers, they have the option to leave if they are not satisfied.

Also a huge number go missing every year and are working under the radar in shops, restaurants and take-aways and many are involved in other more serious criminality involving false documents such as driving licences and PPS numbers and activities like money-lending and money laundering.

smurfjed

primary exports - can have such blinkered, intolerant and ignorant views on immigration.

Please list the countries that accepted the Irish and provided them with immediate government support, housing etc?

AnonoBoy

Reekwind wrote: »

It always baffles me how anyone from Ireland - a country that should count people amongst its primary exports - can have such blinkered, intolerant and ignorant views on immigration.

Cause we do a great line on pig ignorant th*ck bigoted c*nts in this country.

We've the finest pig ignorant th*ck, bigoted c*nts in the whole world in Ireland and none of your foreign pig ignorant th*ck, bigoted c*nts can hold a candle to our home grown ones. I don't care what them leftie liberals would have you believe.

AnonoBoy

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

It's not really. A major part of the delay is the bogus applicants using every appeal process in the book to delay the inevitable.

And what about the genuine people who haven't even had their case heard once and have been here for years living in squalid accommodation, unable to work, not allowed cook their own meals?

It's a ridiculous limbo and should be sorted out.

smurfjed

genuine people who haven't even had their case heard once and have been here for years living in squalid accommodation

To me the concept of asylum is that you are fleeing your own country and will seek safety in the FIRST safe country that you reach, so please explain to me how they "genuine people" ended up in Ireland?

Arthur Beesley

No Pants wrote: »

Pamela Izevbekhai anyone?

Perfect example, although she had some nerve in fairness. Pity it cost the Irish taxpayer so much money though.

Arthur Beesley

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And what about the genuine people who haven't even had their case heard once and have been here for years living in squalid accommodation, unable to work, not allowed cook their own meals?

It's a ridiculous limbo and should be sorted out.

I would object to the use of squalid for a start. There may have been a few isolated cases of sub standard accommodation, the vast majority do not live in squalor. To claim the do is just rabble rousing.

As for working, it is entirely legitimate that they not work, they are undocumented at this point and they are well aware of this restriction when applying, it should not come as a surprise. It also does not prevent them working on the black market, unfortunately.

Why do they need to cook their own food? They are supplied with healthy nutritional meals on a regular basis, ensuring they and their children are well fed. There is absolutely no reason for them to be cooking, given the cost implications (kitchens, ingredients etc). Again this a known in advance.

If an economic migrant family chooses to apply for asylum here they do so with their eyes wide open, drawn here by stories of streets paved with gold.

It was always ironic that we had large number of African asylum seekers back when there was no direct route from their home countries to Ireland. They were here as a result of asylum tourism.

RDM_83 again

Muise... wrote: »

Six Prejudices in Search of a Point, by LooLa Pirandello.

I'm going to ask a question, have the people thanking this post ever actually had a positive experience with some one from the Roma community, if a stereotype is proved correct again and again when does it stop being a prejudice.

ps I have had positive experiences with Nigerians and irish travellers those other AH faves before the bigot card comes out.

No Pants

RDM_83 again wrote: »

had a positive experience with some one from the Roma community

Got a lovely bag of chips from them once.

Stinicker

BBJBIG wrote: »

That is because by-and-large we are sending abroad well-rounded, well-educated, well-skilled and hardworking individuals.

What we get coming in by-and-large is riff raff from 3rd World countries that nobody else wants and looking to undercut the local workforce in a race to the bottom. Soon we'll end up like the yUK - a pure dumping ground for the dregs of humanity.

I can only presume you've never been to the Third World, by heck if I was in their shoes I'd be trying everything to get to Ireland, which is one of the most advanced, peaceful and brilliant places you could ask to live. We are in the top 5 of places in the world and far ahead of most economic powerhouses UK, USA, etc. and also ahead of alot of Continental Europe, Only Scandanavia, Australia & New Zealand are ahead or equal to us.

Muise...

No Pants wrote: »

Got a lovely bag of chips from them once.

Their range of pasta and tinned tomatoes is not bad either.

vitani

foggy_lad wrote: »

Also a huge number go missing every year and are working under the radar in shops, restaurants and take-aways

Maybe because they don't want to be deported? Ireland only grants asylum to a tiny percentage of people seeking it - there's plenty of 'genuine' asylum seekers who've been refused. I don't have a problem with them living here illegally if it prevents situations like this:

https://www.facebook.com/AntiDeportationIrelandadi/posts/709105559128535