Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

MagicIRL

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

There's just too much of a stink of Wesley Sneijder off this. I shall remain skeptical for the sake of my own sanity.

Mata and Big Dave will sort this out.

Irishcrx

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-athletic-bilbao-publicly-reject-29m-herrera-082241884--sow.html

Eurosport confirming the offer was turned down. 36 million is plenty for this lad , as much as I want to see him sign for Utd I wouldn't be too annoyed if Utd told them to go and f*** now. Fabregas was 27 million and proven , this lad is good but not proven paying over 40 million for him would be a touch insane.

Clubs are dragging Utd to the well because they now.

A. We are desperate need of new players.
B. We have money to spend.

But 80 million on Shaw and Herrera , emmmmm...

Schwiiing

zerks wrote: »

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Looks like Bilbao are just being tight about 4% tax on the deal.

They wont let him without squeezing every possible penny. Isn't it true that Bilbao can only sign Catalan players?

Lucas Hood

Schwiiing wrote: »

They wont let him without squeezing every possible penny. Isn't it true that Bilbao can only sign Catalan players?

Basque.

They choose to do this it's not forced at all.

Zico

Whatever happens with this in the end..... WOODWARD OUT!

He's had a year to prepare this transfer and he's still let it turn into a circus...again!

kstand

Part of me hopes Mexico put the Dutch out Sunday evening to Van Gaal can come to Manchester and sort out the squad. Far too much idle speculation driving lads mad.

redbaron_99

Bilbao are notorious for being difficult to do business with. I think we will have Herrera, and they are just doing this to put off clubs who are looking to poach their other players.
We should get the deal without further delay and wash our hands of them for good.

kryogen

Schwiiing wrote: »

They wont let him without squeezing every possible penny. Isn't it true that Bilbao can only sign Catalan players?

Basque and they are not forced, its a semi racist/semi admirable choice the club make (it also makes them the hoover when it comes to the smaller Basque clubs, they take the best for themselves, they do not like to be seen to negotiate, if you want their player you will be paying)

They do this, its how they operate, they squeeze you for as much as possible, just think of a more militant Spurs.

Nothing has really changed since yesterday imo, the rejection is SOP for Bilbao

Giggsy11

zerks wrote: »

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Looks like Bilbao are just being tight about 4% tax on the deal.

Its not about them being tight, just that they don't want to negotiate and player has to buy out his contract before moving.

Anyways they will get 36 Million, so it's more of a pride thing I guess.

FutureGuy

Could Bilbao be stalling till July?

Giggsy11

Tom Coast ‏@thcoast 1m

According to @imarkinez, Herrera handed all the relevant documents to LFP yesterday. Athletic say bid was rejected this week, not today.

IMO this makes more sense.

Lucas Hood

FutureGuy wrote: »

Could Bilbao be stalling till July?

Possibly, just meet them in the middle imo.

Maximus Alexander

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Tom Coast ‏@thcoast 1m


IMO this makes more sense.

Who is this @imarkinez guy though?

How Soon Is Now

kstand wrote: »

Part of me hopes Mexico put the Dutch out Sunday evening to Van Gaal can come to Manchester and sort out the squad. Far too much idle speculation driving lads mad.

Yep as much as I'm enjoying watching the Dutch play the sooner the better Van Gaal is in Manchester.

Cookiemunster

This is how Athletic work. You just have to look at the hoops Bayern had to jump through to get Martinez. AFAIK in the end Bayern deposited the money in Martinez account and he bought out his own contract. That's where the tax issues occur.

Also they made Llorente sit on the bench for a year because Juve wouldn't play ball.

Cantona's Collars

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Its not about them being tight, just that they don't want to negotiate and player has to buy out his contract before moving.

Anyways they will get 36 Million, so it's more of a pride thing I guess.

If Athletic accepted €36m offer then they have to pay 4% to Zaragoza. If Manchester United force a buyout then it's they who pay it.

"The situation depends on the player now. If he wants to leave Bilbao, Herrera can deposit €36m into the LFP and buy his freedom." [Marca]

Giggsy11

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Who is this @imarkinez guy though?

No idea.. Some Spanish journo I guess.

Giggsy11

Athletic club is just playing games...

juanma velasco @ juanmavelascom 41m View translation

Athletic has today rejected the offer by Herrera. He did Tuesday. Herrera will pay part of your pass to United. And he will soon

For this they replied..

Athletic Club Verified account
@ AthleticClub

@ juanmavelascom The @ AthleticClub not say "today" anywhere in your information.

Google translated..

So they mentioned they didn't say today, just this week and we heard news that Herrera was at Carrington yesterday. It's almost done..

Adamcp898

zerks wrote: »

If Athletic accepted €36m offer then they have to pay 4% to Zaragoza. If Manchester United force a buyout then it's they who pay it.

"The situation depends on the player now. If he wants to leave Bilbao, Herrera can deposit €36m into the LFP and buy his freedom." [Marca]

The bigger problem is actually that if United were to give Herrera €36 million to pay his buy out clause (since to activate it the player pays it not the buying club), then he becomes liable for a massive amount of tax as he has in effect just became €36 million richer for a short period of time. He obviously doesn't want to pay this huge bill, and of course United don't want another €10-15 million on top of the €36 million to pay for him. IIRC Javi Martinez ended having to take pay cut to get his move as Bayern ended up paying Bilbao a few million extra over his release clause in order to avoid that route.

MagicIRL

Too much logic for a football thread Giggsy. Get out.

Ok, back to work guys, let the panic resume.

markcahill1985

This is all just political posturing from Bilbao, its what they do, they did it with Llorente for the last 6 months of his contract and they did it with Martinez transfer. Everyone is overreacting Id bet the deal will be done sooner rather than later.

Headshot

lol its all very funny

NTMK

Giggsy11 wrote: »

No idea.. Some Spanish journo I guess.

sports presenter/journalist for Cadena SER, the biggest radio station in spain i think

This is bilbao doing the we did what we could routine (they pulled the same with martinez)

You'll see when/if united anounce him they'll probably be a mention on uniteds/Bilbao's website that the release clause was met.

Lucas Hood

So Athletic pretty much released this to say to Real Zaragoza go look to United for your money not us.

Mantis Toboggan

This doesn't reflect favourably on Woodward again. He really is under pressure now.

Maximus Alexander

MagicIRL wrote: »

Too much logic for a football thread Giggsy. Get out.

Ok, back to work guys, let the panic resume.

MagicIRL

Buddy Holly wrote: »

This doesn't reflect favourably on Woodward again. He really is under pressure now.

It has **** all to do with Woodward. This is 100% Bilbao being bastards about the whole thing, not United.

TheTownie

Buddy Holly wrote: »

This doesn't reflect favourably on Woodward again. He really is under pressure now.

Not as bad as that post reflects on you.

glued

Buddy Holly wrote: »

This doesn't reflect favourably on Woodward again. He really is under pressure now.

What are you talking about? What a nonsense conclusion.

markcahill1985

Buddy Holly wrote: »

This doesn't reflect favourably on Woodward again. He really is under pressure now.

Im no fan of Woodwards but I think this is a bit harsh and wouldnt blame him for this, Bilbao are notorious for this kind of think. Bayern called the transfer of Martinez the most complicated transfer they had been involved in. They said they rejected a bid but didnt say when, given he was in Carrington yesterday i would still expect an announcment in the next day or two.