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What level of education have you achieved?

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    #182
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    2011 wrote: »
    Over 70% of those that took part in the poll claim to have a level 8 qualification or higher.
    Yeah, right! :rolleyes:

    I don't believe that for a minute.

    Level 8 is a degree. I'd well believe 70% of boards users have that.

    The above level 9 category seems quite high, but maybe the boards user-ship isn't indicative of the general populace?


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    #183
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Tarzana wrote: »
    The above level 9 category seems quite high, but maybe the boards user-ship isn't indicative of the general populace?
    Well, this thread wasn't really going to attract an unbiased sample of respondents.

    And then, of course, there are the out-and-out liers...


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    #184
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The mechanism is just a number of steps. Enzyme catalyses the conversion of one molecule to another. Just learn the enzyme and substrate name. Draw out the structures to remember them and look at the reaction mechanism if you want but that's all memory.

    Where intelligence comes in imo is the elucidation of these pathways without prior knowledge. I.e. discovering a pathway and determining the structures using spectroscopy NMR, absorbance or mass spec.

    Dog with a bone, as always. Both take a lot of effort and thought to fully understand. It isn't all memory for the first. Anyway, lets move on, nobody gives a shíte about this.


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    #185
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, this thread wasn't really going to attract an unbiased sample of respondents.

    And then, of course, there are the out-and-out liers...

    How does your level of education or lack thereof make you biased? It's not like the poll is going to have any kind of effect on anything. There is no incentive for "bias".

    And why would anyone lie on an anonymous online discussion forum?


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    #186
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,233 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    How does your level of education or lack thereof make you biased? It's not like the poll is going to have any kind of effect on anything. There is no incentive for "bias".

    And why would anyone lie on an anonymous online discussion forum?
    I think a more salient point is that the poll only reflects the results provided by those who chose to respond, honest or not, and for whatever reason.


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    #187
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,293 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Leaving Cert, it was a struggle to stay and do it because of bullying at the schoold but I stuck it out and got one honour.


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    #188
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,233 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Leaving Cert, it was a struggle to stay and do it because of bullying at the schoold but I stuck it out and got one honour.

    Well done. I hope things have improved since. School can be rotten.


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    #189
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    How does your level of education or lack thereof make you biased? It's not like the poll is going to have any kind of effect on anything. There is no incentive for "bias".

    And why would anyone lie on an anonymous online discussion forum?

    He means people who have one may be more naturally attracted to the thread in the first place so there is more bias than if you pick people off the street and ambush them with the question
    Plus that it's on an internet forum which is already not representative of general pop


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    #190
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    bluewolf wrote: »
    He means people who have one may be more naturally attracted to the thread in the first place so there is more bias than if you pick people off the street and ambush them with the question

    I dont see any justification for such a deduction, but fair enough.


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    #191
    HistoryMania
    Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭HistoryMania


    Just finished a Level 6, hoping to be accepted into a level 8 in September.


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    #192
    OldNotWIse
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    endacl wrote: »
    Well done. I hope things have improved since. School can be rotten.

    Indeed. I remember with hatred the b1tches in my school who made my life miserable. Typical all girls school, stuck up snobby cows. Wonder how they are getting on now in the real world.


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    #193
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I dont see any justification for such a deduction, but fair enough.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias


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    #194
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,293 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    endacl wrote: »
    Well done. I hope things have improved since. School can be rotten.

    Thanks. Yes they have improved.


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    #195
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    HistoryMania wrote: »
    Just finished a Level 6, hoping to be accepted into a level 8 in September.

    Congratulations:)


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    #196
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, this thread wasn't really going to attract an unbiased sample of respondents.

    And then, of course, there are the out-and-out liers...

    People with level 8 and above are outliers. :pac:


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    #197
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,233 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    People with level 8 and above are outliers. :pac:

    :D


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    #198
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    For years I only had just the leaving cert. But currently unemployed and last year I did a college course. It's worth 60 ECTS and think it was a level 6 course.

    ... still hasn't helped me get a job. Same goes for most people from the course. Pssh.


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    #199
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    People with level 8 and above are outliers. :pac:
    Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little accuracy for the sake of a terrible, terrible pun.


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    #200
    Jonny Blaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    Mine is over 9000...

    Oh no wait, that's my power level!


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    #201
    [Deleted User]
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    Tarzana wrote: »
    Well now, I didn't call them dim, did I? ;)
    Tarzana wrote: »
    Really? A lot of PhD candidates I've worked with and met are very unwhelming in the intellect department. I'd have mind-numbingly dull conversations at lunchtime with the bunch I used to work with. Most conversation revolved around celeb gossip, soaps and make-up and god help you if you try to steer the conversation to something even remotely thought-provoking.

    I mean, lunchtime is relaxation time and stuff like the above is grand is moderation but this was all. the. frickin. time.

    A lot of them would able to focus on their project but seemed to lack a greater intellectual curiosity or something.
    Tarzana wrote: »
    I found these people incredibly dull to talk to.

    From my own experience (anecdotal but not insignificant either), PhD candidates, very determined but no great shakes intellectually.

    It was the gist!

    We won't fall out over it though. ;)


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    #202
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Candie wrote: »
    It was the gist!

    We won't fall out over it though. ;)

    Can't help but feel insulted.


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    #203
    Shakespeare's Sister
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    2011 wrote: »
    Congratulations you have just demonstrated how inadequate our education system is.

    Despite the fact that you are so highly qualified you seem lack the capability to grasp the very simple point that I have made.
    Wo...! :eek:

    Maybe some people are lying (although as someone else asked, why bother on an anonymous poll?) but this forum isn't a snapshot of society in general; its demographic is largely comprised of university-goers/graduates.


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    #204
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Maybe some people are lying (although as someone else asked, why bother on an anonymous poll?)
    I wasn't really suggesting that people were lying...


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    #205
    OldNotWIse
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    I wasn't really suggesting that people were lying...


    Oh.....looks back at post 184 and scratches head....


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    #206
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Oh.....looks back at post 184 and scratches head....

    Post 200 might help explain what I was going for then.


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    #207
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Post 200 might help explain what I was going for then.

    Ah yes, the classic. Make a statement and then retract via the "I was joooookiiiiiiiiiiiing" mechanism. I get now what you were "going for".


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    #208
    IrishEyes19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭IrishEyes19


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Education doesn't mean sh1t, the country hands out Masters and PhD's to any old Tom, Dick and Harry.

    Some of the dumbest people I've met have multiple degrees and post docs

    Here we go again :rolleyes:


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    #209
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I wasn't really suggesting that people were lying...
    I didn't mean you, I meant 2011 as that's what they seemed to be implying: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90756927&postcount=167


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    #210
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    How many people actually sit through multiple undergraduate degree programmes? I don't think I would have the energy for that.


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    #211
    dellas1979
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭dellas1979


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't think memorising facts is intelligence.

    I 100% agree.
    During my undergrad, I protested this to a lecturer. How can you tell a person knows about something if they just recall it from short term memory?

    We had to do a presentation in French. Most people were able to memorise the first word to the last. I am not able to do this. Ill be able to tell you everything on that page, but in my own way.

    I was proud of myself-that I could actually speak french (know words/grammar, how to create a sentence), not just memorise the words on a page and not know the meaning.

    So, waiting outside the presentation, one girl ahead of me (who was able to memorise the entire page) asks me "OMG - I dont know my ID number (to announce at start of presentation) in French, can you translate it for me?

    No.


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