New car with petrol engine?

cheapandgood

I am considering a new car at the moment. I would like to get a petrol due to mileage I do (approx 15,000) and the fact I do lots of short journeys.

I am interested in the Volvo V40 but the dealers have told me that only the diesel is selling and I am looking at big depreciation on a petrol.

I have looked at the Mazda 3 and Hyundai i30 but the spec on petrol models is poor. Also considering the Honda Civic due to decent spec on petrol but not keen on looks.

Is a petrol car an option for a mid sized car like the above? Is there any other options I am missing? Help appreciated on this.

bazz26

Golf, Octavia, Leon are all available in petrol and for the most part can be speced up from the factory. What about a hybrid? Prius is available too, 1.8 litre petrol engine driven in conjunction with an electric motor, perfect for short trips.

JohnBoy26

Brand new car?

noelf

Take a test drive in a 1.2 tsi golf their quite nippy and cheaper than a Volvo there is also a 1.4 tsi with cylinder shutdown tech for increased fuel economy .. have a look at Audi A3 as well same engines as golf

I'm with bazz26 on the Prius.

New they're expensive, but look for one 2nd hand, for a petrol automatic you'll at least get diesel or better economy. I get 60-64 mpg per tank in the MK II and the MK III should beat that.

One of the most reliable cars you'll find on the road. The T-spirit are the ones to go for.

It's also a roomy car.

NIMAN

Ford also do a Focus with a 1.0 Ecoboost petrol engine - gets great reviews.

noelf

noelf wrote: »

Take a test drive in a 1.2 tsi golf their quite nippy and cheaper than a Volvo there is also a 1.4 tsi with cylinder shutdown tech for increased fuel economy .. have a look at Audi A3 as well same engines as golf

The golf is a tiny car though with a big price.

iamtony

NIMAN wrote: »

Ford also do a Focus with a 1.0 Ecoboost petrol engine - gets great reviews.

I've got this engine in a new fiesta and it's nice. Lovely sound off it.

JohnBoy26

If its a brand new car we are talking about check out the the new corolla and auris. Both look good and are nice inside too imo.

They can be got with the excellent 1.33 dual vvti engine and both are €270 to tax.

They can be got with good spec too. Sol is the highest spec on the Auris and Luna is the highest spec on the Corolla.

R.O.R

cheapandgood wrote: »

I am interested in the Volvo V40 but the dealers have told me that only the diesel is selling and I am looking at big depreciation on a petrol.

This isn't an issue that's just particular to the Volvo - it's going to happen on any "mid-size" vehicle that you buy.

cheapandgood

I am looking at new or nearly new (12-18 months). Really keen on the Mazda 3 but the 1.5 petrol come in base model only. Also I think the VW's/Audi are overpriced.

Prius MK III

MuppetCheck

Leon FR 1.8TSI. Powerful, good spec, nice to drive, plenty of space and economical too.

cheapandgood

I took a test drive in the new Corolla. Seems like a good car but hoping to move away from Toyota as I have an Avensis currently (which is great by the way).

JohnBoy26

cheapandgood wrote: »

I took a test drive in the new Corolla. Seems like a good car but hoping to move away from Toyota as I have an Avensis currently (which is great by the way).

That or the Auris would be my choice. You can get a top spec example of the auris with the 1.33 engine for near enough the same money as a basic spec 1.5 Mazda 3 hatch.

And you can get a top spec Corolla, again with the 1.33 engine, for roughly the same money as a basic 1.5 Mazda 3 saloon.

I understand that you want a change though.

bazz26

Zetec mid spec Focus here:


http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Ford/Focus/*€1,000-CASH/43413939317847120/

Seat Leon TSi:


http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Leon/1.2-TSI/45013983299413180/

MuppetCheck

Actually on the Leon - one with LED headlights is a better bet. Much better night time visibility.

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/SEAT/Leon/**141-DEMO/44813969677877000/

bazz26

How many 2 year old petrol Mazda 6's are for sale?

rotun

bazz26 wrote: »

How many 2 year old petrol Mazda 6's are for sale?

9

bazz26

Where?

rotun

bazz26 wrote: »

Where?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/mazda/mazda6/postcode/bt11aa/radius/1500/maximum-age/up_to_2_years_old/fuel-type/petrol/r/3/sort/atcustom/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew

rotun

rotun wrote: »

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/mazda/mazda6/postcode/bt11aa/radius/1500/maximum-age/up_to_2_years_old/fuel-type/petrol/r/3/sort/atcustom/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew

Up to 13 now

bazz26

rotun wrote: »

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/mazda/mazda6/postcode/bt11aa/radius/1500/maximum-age/up_to_2_years_old/fuel-type/petrol/r/3/sort/atcustom/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew

I doubt very much the OP or many others would go to the trouble of importing a petrol Mazda 6. Nobody imports petrol cars from that segment.

rotun

bazz26 wrote: »

I doubt very much the OP or many others would go to the trouble of importing a petrol Mazda 6. Nobody imports petrol cars from that segment.

Might still be Celtic tiger in your gaff Barry, but a day on the ferry to save a few grand is well worth it down in my social standing.

bazz26

rotun wrote: »

Might still be Celtic tiger in your gaff Barry, but a day on the ferry to save a few grand is well worth it down in my social standing.

Not sure where your condescending attitude is coming from really. But the simple fact is that the OP needs to be able to shift the car on afterwards too. A 1.0 litre Focus or 1.2 Leon would be a hell of lot easier to sell on than a 1.8 Mazda 6. If importing 2 year old petrol cars like the Mazda 6 were a cleaver move then why isn't everyone importing them?

rotun

bazz26 wrote: »

Not sure where your condescending attitude is coming from really. But the simple fact is that the OP needs to be able to shift the car on afterwards too. A 1.0 litre Focus or 1.2 Leon would be a hell of lot easier to sell on than a 1.8 Mazda 6. If importing 2 year old petrol cars like the Mazda 6 were a cleaver move then why isn't everyone importing them?

Ok, we'll leave it there.

cheapandgood

The mazdas look great but selling a 2 litre petrol in 3 years time is an issue. Could be looking at serious depreciation. This is the problem. Honda Civic has the advantage of 1.4 or 1.8 litre petrol with a range of options on specification. Same for the Corolla.

Really against getting a diesel but options are limited for petrol with good resale and specification.

bilbot79

iamtony wrote: »

I've got this engine in a new fiesta and it's nice. Lovely sound off it.

Is overtaking nice?

naughtysmurf

cheapandgood wrote: »

Also considering the Honda Civic due to decent spec on petrol but not keen on looks.

Have a good look at the Civic again, the looks are an a aquired taste but the more I look at it the better it gets, 2013 onwards, Honda reliability is excellent also, I'm hoping to pick one up within the next year.

cheapandgood

cheapandgood wrote: »

Really against getting a diesel but options are limited for petrol with good resale and specification.

Don't instantly write off the Prius, it's got decent performance for its consumption and being a petrol automatic.

JohnBoy26

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Have a good look at the Civic again, the looks are an a aquired taste but the more I look at it the better it gets, 2013 onwards, Honda reliability is excellent also, I'm hoping to pick one up within the next year.

I could never get used to the looks of the current civic. From the front it looks good but the side profile ain't great and the rear is just rotten imo.

The new auris looks a far nicer car all around than it IMO. Everyone has different tastes though.

naughtysmurf

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I could never get used to the looks of the current civic. From the front it looks good but the side profile ain't great and the rear is just rotten imo.

The new auris looks a far nicer car all around than it IMO. Everyone has different tastes though.

I like the look of the Auris too but prefer the civic, I think the interior is nicer also in the civic. The rear does take a bit of getting used to but it's an improvement on the previous model.

BMJD

The interior of the new Auris is horrible, and that 1.33 engine is rubbish.

The 1.0l Ecoboost in the Focus is a much better engine imo, interior is also much nicer. Reliability is still unknown though.

3 cylinder ? LOL no way, the noise out of these 3 cylinders is horrid and the vibration when idle can be as bad as diesel.

Prius is leaps and bounds better.

What car owners of the 1.0L ecoboost seem happy enough, so maybe it is a good engine. Reliability still to be proven.

iamtony

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What car owners of the 1.0L ecoboost seem happy enough, so maybe it is a good engine. Reliability still to be proven.

5 year warranty who cares!

iamtony

[Deleted User] wrote: »

3 cylinder ? LOL no way, the noise out of these 3 cylinders is horrid and the vibration when idle can be as bad as diesel.

Prius is leaps and bounds better.

No vibrations on mine although it's not as quite on tick over as a 4 cylinder. Although they all have stop/start as standard on the Eco boost engines so you don't hav to listen to it much.

iamtony

bilbot79 wrote: »

Is overtaking nice?

Haven't tried the missus drives it most of the time but it's quick enough getting up to speed on motorways.

iamtony

iamtony wrote: »

5 year warranty who cares!

How many miles ?

Well I suppose most people don't want their car in the garage more than on the road.

iamtony

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How many miles ?

Well I suppose most people don't want their car in the garage more than on the road.

Not sure I'm guessing 100 thousand?
No they don't but it's out long enough to prove its not that bad, infact I didn't read one negative comment when researching the purchase, plus most garages will provide a curtesy car I presume? And the 5 year warranty was enough piece of mind for me to choose it and I'm happy so far. No problems to report.

BMJD

my dad went from a 1.6 petrol Focus to the 1.0 ecoboost, it's far better than the older 4 cylinder engine, it does sound a bit rough but it's hardly a dealbreaker

noelf

iamtony wrote: »

Not sure I'm guessing 100 thousand?
No they don't but it's out long enough to prove its not that bad, infact I didn't read one negative comment when researching the purchase, plus most garages will provide a curtesy car I presume? And the 5 year warranty was enough piece of mind for me to choose it and I'm happy so far. No problems to report.

The same engine is fitted in the mondeo .. so i cant see why overtaking would be a problem in a fiesta

iamtony

noelf wrote: »

The same engine is fitted in the mondeo .. so i cant see why overtaking would be a problem in a fiesta

that's crazy a 1 litre mondeo ha. I wouldn't of believed you until I checked. And it has more bhp that the 1.8 mondeo I used to own.

Idbatterim

not sure what your budget is OP, but what about a new audi A3 saloon?

http://www.audi.ie/etc/medialib/ngw/ie/brochures.Par.0010.File.pdf/april_14_prices.pdf

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-reviews/audi-a3-saloon-really-puts-boot-into-bmw-in-compact-executive-bloodbath-29776592.html

Idbatterim

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Lad View Post
What car owners of the 1.0L ecoboost seem happy enough, so maybe it is a good engine. Reliability still to be proven.
5 year warranty who cares!

The thing is, people who buy new cars are often wont keep the car more than a few years, so if and when the gremlins arrive, it wont be their problem anyway...

noelf

Ford were so proud of their new engine they launched it first in the mondeo in states of tune up to 125 bhp .. the same bhp as my sons polo gti !!

JohnBoy26

BMJD wrote: »

The interior of the new Auris is horrible, and that 1.33 engine is rubbish.

The 1.0l Ecoboost in the Focus is a much better engine imo, interior is also much nicer. Reliability is still unknown though.

The 1.33 dual vvti is a fine engine and is proven reliable. I certainly wouldn't call it "rubbish"

The ecoboost is not a proven engine and has more to potentially go wrong.

As for the interior, I was in a few and I don't think it's horrible. In Sol trim it has a very good quality feel to it with leather effect on the dashboard, heated front seats etc.

Wikki on the 1.0L Ecoboost

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine

"Ford currently produces a 1.0-litre turbocharged in-line three cylinder engine for the EcoBoost family developed at Ford's Dunton Technical Centre in the UK. Production started in April 2012. The 1.0 comes initially in two versions: 74 kW (101 PS; 99 hp) and 88 to 92 kW (120 to 125 PS; 118 to 123 hp). The more powerful version delivers a maximum of 170 N·m (125 lb·ft) from 1,400–4,500 rpm and 200 N·m (148 lb·ft) on overboost, which makes for a broad torque curve when compared to a naturally aspirated gasoline engine . The engine block is cast iron instead of aluminum for up to 50% faster warm-up, at the expense of additional weight.[13][14] Due to natural vibrations of a 3-cylinder design, the flywheel has been deliberately unbalanced to ensure smooth running, without the use of energy sapping balance shafts. The engine also features an internal timing belt, bathed in the engine oil, for long life and greater efficiency and reduced noise. The exhaust manifold is cast into the cylinder head, reducing warm up times and therefore further aiding efficiency. All this is packaged in an engine block the size of an A4 sheet of paper.[15] With the introduction of face lifted 2013 Ford Fiesta, Ford introduced naturally aspirated version of 1.0 Fox engine. There are two versions producing 65 hp and 80 hp, both engines uses Direct Injection and Ti-VCT like turbocharged versions, start-stop technology is also available"

JohnBoy26

Deleted User wrote: »

Wikki on the 1.0L Ecoboost

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine

"Ford currently produces a 1.0-litre turbocharged in-line three cylinder engine for the EcoBoost family developed at Ford's Dunton Technical Centre in the UK. Production started in April 2012. The 1.0 comes initially in two versions: 74 kW (101 PS; 99 hp) and 88 to 92 kW (120 to 125 PS; 118 to 123 hp). The more powerful version delivers a maximum of 170 N·m (125 lb·ft) from 1,400–4,500 rpm and 200 N·m (148 lb·ft) on overboost, which makes for a broad torque curve when compared to a naturally aspirated gasoline engine . The engine block is cast iron instead of aluminum for up to 50% faster warm-up, at the expense of additional weight.[13][14] Due to natural vibrations of a 3-cylinder design, the flywheel has been deliberately unbalanced to ensure smooth running, without the use of energy sapping balance shafts. The engine also features an internal timing belt, bathed in the engine oil, for long life and greater efficiency and reduced noise. The exhaust manifold is cast into the cylinder head, reducing warm up times and therefore further aiding efficiency. All this is packaged in an engine block the size of an A4 sheet of paper.[15] With the introduction of face lifted 2013 Ford Fiesta, Ford introduced naturally aspirated version of 1.0 Fox engine. There are two versions producing 65 hp and 80 hp, both engines uses Direct Injection and Ti-VCT like turbocharged versions, start-stop technology is also available"

I'd take the rest of that with as pinch of salt as fords genius idea of "bathing" a timing belt in engine oil has proven to be a disaster.

Plenty of 1.8tdci units with this setup has suffered premature failure of the wet belt, severely damaging the engine.

iamtony

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I'd take the rest of that with as pinch of salt as fords genius idea of "bathing" a timing belt in engine oil has proven to be a disaster.

Plenty of 1.8tdci units with this setup has suffered premature failure of the wet belt, severely damaging the engine.

Premature=warranty claim?
I'm sure they have learned from there mistakes anyway.
Also I'm guessing the Diesel engine is an interference engine and the petrol is non-interference.

JohnBoy26

iamtony wrote: »

Premature=warranty claim?
I'm sure they have learned from there mistakes anyway.
Also I'm guessing the Diesel engine is an interference engine and the petrol is non-interference.

Premature can be outside warranty but inside mileage and age timeframe.

If they learned from their mistakes they would of used a chain instead of continuing to cut corners with this naff wet belt setup.

The diesel engine is an interference engine but who says the petrol is non interference?