Best tractor 120 - 200hp

neutralvu

Interested in purchasing a new tractor within this limit hp and i know some tractors hav a toggle switch for increasing and decreasing hp. so if i was going out tomorrow with money not being an issue what tractor make would u recommend for me?

P.s. i am leaning towards a fendt 716 profi.

Damo810

Huge bracket there, with both, 3, 4 and 6 cylinder tractors, variations in weight and price etc. What the budget, whats it being used for?

severeoversteer

new Holland t7.200 ?

or any other t7 new holland

brian67

John Deere 6920 is a good all rounder

GRASSorMUCK

neutralvu wrote: »

Interested in purchasing a new tractor within this limit hp and i know some tractors hav a toggle switch for increasing and decreasing hp. so if i was going out tomorrow with money not being an issue what tractor make would u recommend for me?

P.s. i am leaning towards a fendt 716 profi.

Not sure of any hp boosting switches except for engine management boost crap which requires dancing on one leg and wishing to the stars to activate rather than just give you the hp... or you could try diesel doctor et-al..;)

Depends what you want a basic work horse or all singing dancing integrated gps monster.. personaly really like the case puma's. At work have demoed new 720 fendt/deere 190rx2 with new direct drive box and auto power but neither worth the cost if your money. New direct drive is seriously good and will be loved by anyone doing haulage work but not really worth the 8k premium as all is, is a faster changing powershifter with decent auto gear changing/engine management software thats extremely user friendly . New Deutz look seriously well put together and claas are getting better, dislike new holland and massey 66/76's is huge step back on the 64/74's. Not done much with other brands newer models

neutralvu

It will be used for mowing about 2000 acres a year, also used for long haulage with my slurry tanker. My back is broke from the fekn roads so need sumthing with comfort first. Esp with the bouncing from the tanker of slurry. Is that new drive system on all new fendts? Im a new holland n ford man thru n thru but tinkn of injecting a bit of new blood into the fleet. Also trade in values a thing i must consider.

stand on!!

New Holland Tm 155 very soild tractor

GRASSorMUCK

No it's deere claiming to have invented and improved the wheel i'm afraid.

Fastrac, nothing beats it for comfort if backs giving trouble as suspended on 4 corners. With these new 4000 series coming out your dealer should find you an old series 2170 of existing stock to be cleared.

larrymiller

neutralvu wrote: »

It will be used for mowing about 2000 acres a year, also used for long haulage with my slurry tanker. My back is broke from the fekn roads so need sumthing with comfort first. Esp with the bouncing from the tanker of slurry. Is that new drive system on all new fendts? Im a new holland n ford man thru n thru but tinkn of injecting a bit of new blood into the fleet. Also trade in values a thing i must consider.

What ever ya do, don't buy a valtra, might aswell be sitting in a bouncey castle

neutralvu

larrymiller wrote: »

What ever ya do, don't buy a valtra, might aswell be sitting in a bouncey castle

Haha dont worry i wont!

neutralvu

Right been looking at some of the other local silage fleets and ive seen 2 new fendts with triple gang mowers aka butterflys on em. Are fendt a growing name in this country? Whats their trade in like? Im assuming getting a mechanic to service a fendt would be double what a new holland is to do similar works?!

MfMan

What is the new MF 56XX range like? Was thinking of replacing the 390 sometime in the future (not this year), and like that want something a bit stronger but with near enough the same 'footprint' and with an air seat and cab suspension as the land is bumpy in places. Was thinking of a late model 5455 / 5445 or one of the new model 5610/5612, though the latter are a good bit dearer. Anyone have experience of these?

GRASSorMUCK

MfMan wrote: »

What is the new MF 56XX range like? Was thinking of replacing the 390 sometime in the future (not this year), and like that want something a bit stronger but with near enough the same 'footprint' and with an air seat and cab suspension as the land is bumpy in places. Was thinking of a late model 5455 / 5445 or one of the new model 5610/5612, though the latter are a good bit dearer. Anyone have experience of these?

The massey 5400's etc will be a classic in 20 years, ask Greengrass in 6 months about the 56's

Lambofdave

Mowing 2000 acres? i take it that its a front mounted and back mounted mower?
Why fendt?

Power boost on some tractors depends on pto or hydraulic and being in c and d range well the class anyway.

Greengrass1

MfMan wrote: »

What is the new MF 56XX range like? Was thinking of replacing the 390 sometime in the future (not this year), and like that want something a bit stronger but with near enough the same 'footprint' and with an air seat and cab suspension as the land is bumpy in places. Was thinking of a late model 5455 / 5445 or one of the new model 5610/5612, though the latter are a good bit dearer. Anyone have experience of these?

Have 5610 with loader on her. So far so good. Mowed 30 acres so far and baled it and well able for it

have2flushtwice

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Have 5610 with loader on her. So far so good. Mowed 30 acres so far and baled it and well able for it

I read that as 5610, and I was thinking of a ford 7610

frazzledhome

neutralvu wrote: »

It will be used for mowing about 2000 acres a year, also used for long haulage with my slurry tanker. My back is broke from the fekn roads so need sumthing with comfort first. Esp with the bouncing from the tanker of slurry. Is that new drive system on all new fendts? Im a new holland n ford man thru n thru but tinkn of injecting a bit of new blood into the fleet. Also trade in values a thing i must consider.

You must have only 1000 acres left to mow at this stage. If I was you I wouldn't change till next year!!!!

Zr105

neutralvu wrote: »

Y has sum1 taken ova the thread talkn about masseys??? Of all the makes of tractors ahahaha

Er your talking about buying a fendt.... Fendt and Massey are all part of agco and share an awful lot of parts...

In fact you could buy the likes of a 6490 dyna vt and get the same transmission as the fendt for less money...

If your planning on running 2 mowers you certainly wont be looking for anything less than 150-160hp as a bare minimum anyways, otherwise snails will be passing you out up hills,

stanflt

All this talk of 2000 acres and fendt etc has me thinking that a bank won't lend money to someone under 18

A contractor that is professional and good with financial affairs certainly wouldn't be buying a tractor on advice from someone on here

Personally I talk to lads that are running the same machines and find out directly the good bad and ugly

neutralvu

stanflt wrote: »

All this talk of 2000 acres and fendt etc has me thinking that a bank won't lend money to someone under 18

A contractor that is professional and good with financial affairs certainly wouldn't be buying a tractor on advice from someone on here

Personally I talk to lads that are running the same machines and find out directly the good bad and ugly

On that principle so no one shud ask for advice on boards? Personally ill talk to everyone 4m every background using as many resources as i can including boards.ie

stanflt

neutralvu wrote: »

On that principle so no one shud ask for advice on boards? Personally ill talk to everyone 4m every background using as many resources as i can including boards.ie

Not getting at you but your looking for a tractor 120 hp - 200

Huge difference

What have you currently got
What age
How many hours a year are you doing
Main jobs

GRASSorMUCK

stanflt wrote: »

All this talk of 2000 acres and fendt etc has me thinking that a bank won't lend money to someone under 18

A contractor that is professional and good with financial affairs certainly wouldn't be buying a tractor on advice from someone on here

Personally I talk to lads that are running the same machines and find out directly the good bad and ugly

Is it not abit like telling a lad of holsteins vs jex or putting auto cluster removers or not?

Damo810

Zr105 wrote: »

Er your talking about buying a fendt.... Fendt and Massey are all part of agco and share an awful lot of parts...

In fact you could buy the likes of a 6490 dyna vt and get the same transmission as the fendt for less money...

If your planning on running 2 mowers you certainly wont be looking for anything less than 150-160hp as a bare minimum anyways, otherwise snails will be passing you out up hills,

Not exactly, Fendt as far as I am aware use Deutz engines where Massey are using Valtra ones (Sisu). I don't think they use the same IVT either, do MF not use their own software for that?

Agco is a massive brand with 7 different makes forming it. Don't buy a MF hoping for a Fendt.

Puma would be worth a look in here, someone already mentioned Fastrac, can't be beaten for comfort and if your hauling slurry on big acreage theres going to be quite a bit of road work involved so maybe they're an option.

f2

hello there, I have a 2000 landini blizzard and loader ,been offered 16k for it as a trade in, I was wondering what would another 10 k would buy? Any suggestion what I should look for? Similar hp and loader would suit me

Cattlepen

I have an 818 fendt that I used to have two conditioner mowers on. It needed every bit of power when it met a hill. Had a 7495 massey aswell. Not as tidy as fendt and hadn't got the engine computer the fendt had but a good tractor all the same. Have a jd 6930 aswell which I think is my best tractor all round. Nothing moves like a deere as they say

Mehaffey1

This lady says Valtra

Reggie.

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

This lady says Valtra

Ah what would she know :P

rs8

john deere 6170m if i was going new - newish or maybe a late massey 6480 tier 3

Dawggone

rs8 wrote: »

john deere 6170m if i was going new - newish or maybe a late massey 6480 tier 3

Big no to the Massey. Ball of shyte.

davidk1394

The new deeres aren't half the tractor they used to be.

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

Big no to the Massey. Ball of shyte.

Are they? Good few lads around here putting big hrs on them in for a shock so

White Clover

New Zetor crystal ??

Reggie.

davidk1394 wrote: »

The new deeres aren't half the tractor they used to be.

Known as the green zeter in places. Engines are supposed to be bad

Cattlepen

Reggie. wrote: »

Known as the green zeter in places. Engines are supposed to be bad

I hear all these rumours about the new deeres but see very little evidence. Anyone I've seen with them seem happy enough.

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Are they? Good few lads around here putting big hrs on them in for a shock so

Had a 6480 dyna6 and a 7499 vario until recently. Soft shyte, always in bother and the bills mounted up...
Had a real problem trying to get rid as no other dealers would take them in only Massey.
Will be a long time before one comes in here again.
Fabrique en France is their problem.

White Clover

Reggie. wrote: »

Known as the green zeter in places. Engines are supposed to be bad

Reggie, it's plain to see now that lads calling deeres green zetors don't know what they're on about. Saying the quality of deeres engines and Zetor engines are comparable is laughable. You won't find a more reliable engine than a Zetor engine.
I think a lot of tractor snobbery goes on when it comes to zetors.

Timmaay

White Clover wrote: »

Reggie, it's plain to see now that lads calling deeres green zetors don't know what they're on about. Saying the quality of deeres engines and Zetor engines are comparable is laughable. You won't find a more reliable engine than a Zetor engine.
I think a lot of tractor snobbery goes on when it comes to zetors.

The local mf dealer had a tidy looking 141 zetor on the forecourt a week or so ago when I was there, sitting up on it I was impressed enough with the build quality etc ha, I was pricing up a landini he has sitting there anyways , and asked him about the zetor ha, he flatout refused to even give me a price on it haha, and told me I definitely didn't want it. I guess he would have to be bias.

White Clover

Timmaay wrote: »

The local mf dealer had a tidy looking 141 zetor on the forecourt a week or so ago when I was there, sitting up on it I was impressed enough with the build quality etc ha, I was pricing up a landini he has sitting there anyways , and asked him about the zetor ha, he flatout refused to even give me a price on it haha, and told me I definitely didn't want it. I guess he would have to be bias.

Probably sold already !

smokey-fitz

What are lads opinions on deutz fahr? Considering fendt use their engines and transmissions. Was in looking at a new 5100c 100hp one last week, seem good quality and we'll specked for the money. 2 dealers close by too.

The 6 series ranges from 120hp to over 200hp

Reggie.

White Clover wrote: »

Reggie, it's plain to see now that lads calling deeres green zetors don't know what they're on about. Saying the quality of deeres engines and Zetor engines are comparable is laughable. You won't find a more reliable engine than a Zetor engine.
I think a lot of tractor snobbery goes on when it comes to zetors.

I think it was the transmission that let the auld Zetors down

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

Had a 6480 dyna6 and a 7499 vario until recently. Soft shyte, always in bother and the bills mounted up...
Had a real problem trying to get rid as no other dealers would take them in only Massey.
Will be a long time before one comes in here again.
Fabrique en France is their problem.

Don't like to hear that Have a 7614 Dyna 4 here and it's s real hero to pull and at the pro. Hope it lasts another 3.5 yrs till I trade it. I had a 5465 before also French made and would say it was the best tractor we've ever had

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Don't like to hear that Have a 7614 Dyna 4 here and it's s real hero to pull and at the pro. Hope it lasts another 3.5 yrs till I trade it. I had a 5465 before also French made and would say it was the best tractor we've ever had

54xx series are going to be legendary.
Dyna4 also very good...dyna6 are shyte.

The engineer that decided to "enhance" the dyna4 and came up with the dyna6, should be shot with a ball of his own shyte.
Both Masseys here were as rough as guts to drive also. More comfort in a Valtra, if that's possible.

Blackgrass

Reggie. wrote: »

Known as the green zeter in places. Engines are supposed to be bad

Not engine general build quality is poor, sensors, oil leaks 'engine blow by filter' is a common one. Got to the case it's like a Massey if it stops spitting error codes get worried, like turning off its emissions gizmos coking up the system needing fitters to come clean out then dyno it to get hot enough to clear its lungs properly at deeres expense. Wobbly on the road unless carry front weights also. Visibility is poor in around the machine. Not a patch on the75 which is unfortunately getting to the hours of replace or go look for 'issues'.
Case puma on hire which other than some more hp and a vario box would be happy to hold onto

Reggie.

Blackgrass wrote: »

Not engine general build quality is poor, sensors, oil leaks 'engine blow by filter' is a common one. Got to the case it's like a Massey if it stops spitting error codes get worried, like turning off its emissions gizmos coking up the system needing fitters to come clean out then dyno it to get hot enough to clear its lungs properly at deeres expense. Wobbly on the road unless carry front weights also. Visibility is poor in around the machine. Not a patch on the75 which is unfortunately getting to the hours of replace or go look for 'issues'.
Case puma on hire which other than some more hp and a vario box would be happy to hold onto

I think the deere styling looks better but the puma is supposed to be a beast

tomwaterford

Dawggone wrote: »

54xx series are going to be legendary.
Dyna4 also very good...dyna6 are shyte.

The engineer that decided to "enhance" the dyna4 and came up with the dyna6, should be shot with a ball of his own shyte.
Both Masseys here were as rough as guts to drive also. More comfort in a Valtra, if that's possible.

I think it's the quality of the concave washers left down the dyna6
Also I taught there was too many of them.(so I'm lead to believe)..if they could've come up with a better/more solid maybe bigger type of washer it would've done a world of difference....nearly bulletproof on the dyna 4,....though maybe it's too much horsepower for this type box on the dyna6??

Blackgrass

Reggie. wrote: »

I think the deere styling looks better but the puma is supposed to be a beast

Puma is nice but not perfect, door and that big lorry style mirror with long short range sight leave no room for taller people to put their head getting into cab etc and seems a little short of power but nice place to be otherwise from what the lads says

ciaranmul123

Personally I'm a massive fan of a same or Deutz.. Nice simple tractors.. Have a same and have 15000 hours up on her and she's still running perfectly

Greengrass1

smokey-fitz wrote: »

What are lads opinions on deutz fahr? Considering fendt use their engines and transmissions. Was in looking at a new 5100c 100hp one last week, seem good quality and we'll specked for the money. 2 dealers close by too.

The 6 series ranges from 120hp to over 200hp

Neighbour had to massive deutz. Big tillage acres and alot of ploughing.
Split the head on one and other one went this yr after 3 yrs. Had 3 fendts too.
5 fendt fleet now

smokey-fitz

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Neighbour had to massive deutz. Big tillage acres and alot of ploughing.
Split the head on one and other one went this yr after 3 yrs. Had 3 fendts too.
5 fendt fleet now

Sure fendt have the same engine?? Unless they improved the heads? No one has deutz around me that I know. Few fendts tough.

How's the 5610 going for you? Only 15hp off the 120 mark too

Dawggone

tomwaterford wrote: »

I think it's the quality of the concave washers left down the dyna6
Also I taught there was too many of them.(so I'm lead to believe)..if they could've come up with a better/more solid maybe bigger type of washer it would've done a world of difference....nearly bulletproof on the dyna 4,....though maybe it's too much horsepower for this type box on the dyna6??

Too much hp? The 6480 was only throwing 160 out the back! A miserable yoke.
Have an old cvx195 (Steyr build)with 9k hours on and all it ever got was a set of brakes at 6k hours. Never a spanner to it bar a couple of bushings in front axle.

Reggie.

I think when it comes to tractors it all depends on the work its required for or if you happen to get a lemon or not.

One tractor may be brilliant for one farmer and be a disaster for his neighbour