conspiracy theories gone too far

wendell borton

Came across a story on reddit about a man who stole memorial signs from the site of the sandy hook massacre and then taunted the families by claiming their children never existed.
It seems he believes it was set up the government so they can inact gun control legislation. Instead of finding constructive criticism the nuts now just dismiss anything they don't agree with as a conspiracy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/sandy-hook-hoax-theories-explained-debunking-newtown-truther_n_2627233.html

_Redzer_

Most conspiracists are paranoid lunatics. Head over the conspiracy forum just to see some of the crap that even gets thought up there.

wazky

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Most conspiracists are paranoid lunatics. Head over the conspiracy forum just to see some of the crap that even gets thought up there.

It's like the mad cousin of After Hours.

FunLover18

Reddit is full of conspiracy nuts. I saw one lad claim that all the characters die at the end of Land Before Time because they all go through a tunnel to reach the Great Valley

bumper234

wendell borton wrote: »

Came across a story on reddit about a man who stole memorial signs from the site of the sandy hook massacre and then taunted the families by claiming their children never existed.
It seems he believes it was set up the government so they can inact gun control legislation. Instead of finding constructive criticism the nuts now just dismiss anything they don't agree with as a conspiracy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/sandy-hook-hoax-theories-explained-debunking-newtown-truther_n_2627233.html

It doesn't help when idiots like Alex Jones are allowed use platforms like infowars to spread these idiotic conspiracies to large audiences.

Aidric

This tweet summed up my feelings on conspiracy theorists.

Conspiracy theories are a perfect mix of ignorance & vanity allowing the small minded to feel superior to and dismissive of the informed.

Hotale.com

lol

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90471131

MRnotlob606

a lot of people who follow conspiracy theories have made nothing of their lives, hence using theories to explain why they F**cked up

Timmehhh

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Most conspiracists are paranoid lunatics. Head over the conspiracy forum just to see some of the crap that even gets thought up there.

well, it shows you how addictive opiods are ...


(source: neuroscientists say that the people who research into the conspires,etc get release of opiods in the brain...


sounds pretty good to me ....:D

FunLover18

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

a lot of people who follow conspiracy theories have made nothing of their lives, hence using theories to explain why they F**cked up

That's what The Man wants us to think

kneemos

Hotale.com wrote: »

lol

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90471131

The fcuk!

Aidric

Hotale.com wrote: »

lol

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90471131

lols

dirtyden

wendell borton wrote: »

Came across a story on reddit about a man who stole memorial signs from the site of the sandy hook massacre and then taunted the families by claiming their children never existed.
It seems he believes it was set up the government so they can inact gun control legislation. Instead of finding constructive criticism the nuts now just dismiss anything they don't agree with as a conspiracy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/sandy-hook-hoax-theories-explained-debunking-newtown-truther_n_2627233.html

Its hardly a theory. Is this not just the ramblings of a crackpot? To classify it a theory, even a conspiracy theory gives it a little gravitas.

Guy:Incognito

FunLover18 wrote: »

That's what The Man wants us to think

The man seems to have some amount of time on his hands to get up to all the **** he gets up too. I mean he's watching the every movement of at least a few hundred people in Ireland alone, scanning their computers etc.
Between that and setting up all these false flag operations, making sure thousands of people keep quite about things like 911 and the moon landings as well as countless other events.

Tardful Slakerly

If you read world history outside of what's thought at schools and look at the kinds of things that come out in declassified documents then there isn't a case to say that just awful, terrible things don't happen covertly or that there aren't agencies and cohorts of people in industry, military and politics that conspire for power and for wealth.

It is the case that most conspiracy theorists tend toward being idiotic. I think it's a given that many are lunatics. Aliens, the Illuminati etc. are fantastical notions. The real world is a lot more obvious than that.
You still get democracies being toppled through plots, proxy wars, laws being manufactured as a form of social engineering, many artificial crisis that causes price rises, all sorts of propaganda on a massive scale, climate change deniers, things completely horrific like MK Ultra or the NSA revelations.

Guy in the OP sounds full on retarded tho.

Shakespeare's Sister

Yeh questioning is important, but putting 2+2 together and coming up with 7 and insisting this is fact and people who don't buy it are sheeple... is just downright wrong. I'd go so far as to say it's unethical.

--LOS--

Why is there even a conspiracy theorem forum

it's only harmful

Hotale.com

--LOS-- wrote: »

Why is there even a conspiracy theorem forum, other than somewhere to direct rtdh

it's only harmful

Rtdh?

sabat

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Most conspiracists are paranoid lunatics. Head over the conspiracy forum just to see some of the crap that even gets thought up there.

Aidric wrote: »

Conspiracy theories are a perfect mix of ignorance & vanity allowing the small minded to feel superior to and dismissive of the informed.

In the last 2 years alone we've had the NSA scandal, the Jimmy Savile/child sex ring scandal, the News of the World phone hacking scandal, the Hillsborough cover-up, the Sophie-Toscan du Plantier case framing and multiple other Garda conspiracies and I don't even know where to begin with banking and financial conspiracies. I'd even go as far as saying that we've entered a world where the general thrust of the so-called conspiracists' argument-that we as a people are being conspired against oppressed by governments and the establishment-has become true.

Mod

Please do not slag off other forums or their members. We don't like when people do it to After Hours so we don't allow After Hours to do it to others.

Hotale.com

To be fair we spend enough time on here slagging ourselves off :pac:

--LOS--

But are conspiracy theories by nature anything other than harmful? It think it's always a step too far

c_man

You can't explain it. Derp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXBoW7Hsmjk

blingrhino

It's all crap - im off now to listen to some music , the corrs or something .....

Ash.J.Williams

I've studied the Illuminati for years and have concluded they are simply normal people that are good at **** such as school work, golf etc, and end up doing well for themselves.

kneemos

sabat wrote: »

In the last 2 years alone we've had the NSA scandal, the Jimmy Savile/child sex ring scandal, the News of the World phone hacking scandal, the Hillsborough cover-up, the Sophie-Toscan du Plantier case framing and multiple other Garda conspiracies and I don't even know where to begin with banking and financial conspiracies. I'd even go as far as saying that we've entered a world where the general thrust of the so-called conspiracists' argument-that we as a people are being conspired against oppressed by governments and the establishment-has become true.

Your taking an organisations cover up or simply people turning a blind eye and turning it into a plot to undermine society or a Governmental plot to control the masses.

Aidric

On the subject of conspiracy theories, were Mick Hucknall and Rod Stewart produced in a lab with the help of Tina Turner?

Intensive Care Bear

Their mantra seems to be don't believe anything the mainstream news tells you (while believing any old sh*t they read on the internet)

goose2005

obviously this was a false flag attack, the so-called conspiracy theorist who stole the memorial signs and taunted the families was actually a FEMA agent.

Beano

Magaggie wrote: »

Yeh questioning is important, but putting 2+2 together and coming up with 7 and insisting this is fact and people who don't buy it are sheeple... is just downright wrong. I'd go so far as to say it's unethical.

most of the time they dont bother with the 2 + 2. They just go straight to 7.

Muise...

Beano wrote: »

most of the time they dont bother with the 2 + 2. They just go straight to 7.

Whoa! Is 7 the new 11?

Reindeer

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Most conspiracists are paranoid lunatics. Head over the conspiracy forum just to see some of the crap that even gets thought up there.

If there were any evidence, it would just be a theory, without the need to use 'conspiracy' beforehand. Some CT's are so convoluted and complicated, the people allegedly involved would have had to spend the majority of their lives working on the thing. I'm more of an Occams Razor sorta guy. Follow the money, mostly.

tomwaterford

--LOS-- wrote: »

But are conspiracy theories by nature anything other than harmful? It think it's always a step too far

some of them are good like and proven true...Hillsborough cover up,collusion in NI,some of what being suggested that gaureds were up to seems to have good basis in reality/possibility

some of that 9/11 stuff is bat-**** crazy though:pac::pac:

beano345

I've a mate who's into all this nonsense...some gems he's come out with:

-Jesus was really black

-there's dinosaurs still roaming the earth in certain parts of the world

-there was real life giants centuries ago(after he found a photo online of archaeologists excavating massive human bones obviously photoshopped)

Karl Stein

Often the term “conspiracy” is applied dismissively whenever one suggests that people who occupy positions of political and economic power are consciously dedicated to advancing their elite interests. Even when they openly profess their designs, there are those who deny that intent is involved.

Michael Parenti

tomwaterford

beano345 wrote: »

I've a mate who's into all this nonsense...some gems he's come out with:

-Jesus was really black

-there's dinosaurs still roaming the earth in certain parts of the world

-there was real life giants centuries ago(after he found a photo online of archaeologists excavating massive human bones obviously photoshopped)

well...em hes from the middle east he so definitely wasn't white:pac::pac:

rest of it seems nonsense alright

beano345

tomwaterford wrote: »

well...em hes from the middle east he so definitely wasn't white:pac::pac:

rest of it seems nonsense alright

He meant African black black!

bumper234

beano345 wrote: »

I've a mate who's into all this nonsense...some gems he's come out with:

-Jesus was really black

-there's dinosaurs still roaming the earth in certain parts of the world

-there was real life giants centuries ago(after he found a photo online of archaeologists excavating massive human bones obviously photoshopped)

Jesus was brown(ish) if he lived in Israel

Crocodilles are technically dinosaurs

Ahhhhh the Nephilim

Aidric

Marty Morrissey was an unaccredited member of The Osmonds.

nullzero

The only thing as self satisfied and self righteous as a conspiracy nut is the "informed" person belittling then on the Internet.

Personally when somebody counters another person's argument with a sentence that includes the phrase; "bat sh*t crazy" I tend to find myself wishing the person insulting the conspiracy theorist would find another way of making themselves feel superior. You could just ignore the "crazy person" but instead you chose to seize the opportunity to insult a person for the sole reason that it is easy to do, kind of like shooting fish in a barrel.

Tail Docker

If you create a category - "conspiracy theories" and lump in every mad/deluded/awkward/hushed/embarrassing/corrupt/shyte action by the State/people with power, it's all the easier to dismiss them all as being "loony" theories.


So, you've created a great big psychological "bin" into which the inconvenient can be thrown alongside the deluded. And once in the "bin", it can be dismissed as all being rubbish.


Cynical types would say the crazier theories may well be enhanced creations to ensure the "bin" is fully ignored.

Shakespeare's Sister

nullzero wrote: »

The only thing as self satisfied and self righteous as a conspiracy nut is the "informed" person belittling then on the Internet.

I can't see how the two are as bad, to be honest. I don't know why you're putting "informed" in quotes. From what I've seen on CT forums, those who present their unsupported, outlandish theories can be very belittling towards those who question them. What kind of reaction do they expect if that's the tactic they use?
But if a person presents a theory in such a way as to be open to questioning and doesn't insist it's a fact, then yeh, belittling them is out of order.

nullzero

Magaggie wrote: »

I can't see how the two are as bad, to be honest. I don't know why you're putting "informed" in quotes. From what I've seen on the CT forum, those who present their unsupported, outlandish theories can be very belittling towards those who question them. What kind of reaction do they expect if that's the tactic they use?
But if a person presents a theory in such a way as to be open to questioning and doesn't insist it's a fact, then yeh, belittling them is out of order.

I put informed in quotes because so many of those people are just regurgitating things they heard from other people which they may not fully understand as a means of having a cheap dig at somebody. I'm not trying to argue the merits of the theories, I'm simply observing the silly behaviour on both sides, as evidently you and others haven't been able to thus far.

c_man

Magaggie, I love your username.

fleet_admiral

there is no conspiracy theory forum on boards.....

Shakespeare's Sister

nullzero wrote: »

I put informed in quotes because so many of those people are just regurgitating things they heard from other people which they may not fully understand as a means of having a cheap dig at somebody.

I'd have thought they're just pointing out the holes in the theories?

I'm not trying to argue the merits of the theories

I know you're not.

I'm simply observing the silly behaviour on both sides, as evidently you and others haven't been able to thus far.

And I'm saying sneering back to a person who calls anyone who disagrees with them "sheeple" and demands that a notion they have is fact, is pretty understandable.

diomed

The problem with conspiracy theories is the generators of the theories believe the theories are facts.

nullzero

Magaggie wrote: »

I'd have thought they're just pointing out the holes in the theories?

I know you're not.

And I'm saying sneering back to a person who calls anyone who disagrees with them "sheeple" and demands a notion they have is fact, is pretty understandable.

You know what? I made a simple point, not to you personally, as a reply to the topic at large. You're taking what I said out of context in a big way. The issues you have with people in the conspiracy theories forum don't interest me in the slightest.

tomwaterford

Tail Docker wrote: »

If you create a category - "conspiracy theories" and lump in every mad/deluded/awkward/hushed/embarrassing/corrupt/shyte action by the State/people with power, it's all the easier to dismiss them all as being "loony" theories.


So, you've created a great big psychological "bin" into which the inconvenient can be thrown alongside the deluded. And once in the "bin", it can be dismissed as all being rubbish.


Cynical types would say the crazier theories may well be enhanced creations to ensure the "bin" is fully ignored.

this is a big problem....why hasn't the financial mess the world is in being exposed??
people seem afraid to put out there theories out of fear of being dismissed....but if the theories have a good backing...they should be heard out/discussed

I am pie

Pre-2012 there were some real A grade space cadets over on the conspiracy theory forum. It used to be endless craic, lizzards, people living in the centre of the earth, alien space men, 2 suns, star gates and the like. Sadly nowadays the trend seems to be re-spinning major events which have already happened, the more controversial the better. I preferred it when you had to be on strrrong acid to get with it.

Shakespeare's Sister

nullzero wrote: »

You know what? I made a simple point, not to you personally, as a reply to the topic at large. You're taking what I said out of context in a big way.

Fair enough.

The issues you have with people in the conspiracy theories forum don't interest me in the slightest.

Issues? I only looked at it today, and on the basis of it, merely disagreed with you when you said people who make fun of really outlandish theories are as bad as those who force their unsupported theories on others and get angry when they're disputed. Not sure what's wrong with just disagreeing?
But if I've misunderstood, fair enough - best to leave it.