Turbo R.i.P

fartman

Hi all,my garage told me this morning that my turbo is fcuked anyone know what it will cost to replace it with a new one ,my car is a Audi a4 2.0 TDI

mullingar

Yes, mine went last month. Cost me €3,085.

fartman

mullingar wrote: »

Yes, mine went last month. Cost me €3,085.

Omg that is a lot of money ..what type of car have you and can you give me a brake down on it parts,labour etc could I get a second hand one from a breakers yard I wonder .

JohnBoy26

Did you not read the sign on the way in

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Might be better getting a reconed one. Turbotech are the lads that do them I think

E.g the price for a reconditioned turbo for a 1.6tdci/1.6hdi is €350inc vat and old unit.

Guy:Incognito

Did you not think to ask the guy that told you it was ****ed? I'd have thought he'd have offered the information anyway, it's kind of how they work.

Jimmy Garlic

Most of the time turbos bite the dust because people don't allow them to cool down by idling after driving or warm up before putting them under load. Infrequent/overdue oil changes also do damage to them.

JohnBoy26

The op will have to be more specific before anyone can give him an idea of the cost.

There are two completely different models of an Audi a4 2.0tdi. The older B7 with the PD unit and the newer B8 with the CR unit.

randy hickey

On the Longmile Road:

http://driveshaft.ie/products/turbochargers/

fartman

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The op will have to be more specific before anyone can give him an idea of the cost.

There are two completely different models of an Audi a4 2.0tdi. The older B7 with the PD unit and the newer B8 with the CR unit.

Sorry about that its a b7 2.0tdi 170 bhp ...the garage is to get back to me next week ona price to fix it so just wonder what kind of money where talking about to fix it etc

DuckSlice

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Most of the time turbos bite the dust because people don't allow them to cool down by idling after driving or warm up before putting them under load. Infrequent/overdue oil changes also do damage to them.

You don't have to let them idle, just take it handy for the last mile of your journey. Don't let the turbo spool up. No need to sit wasting fuel!

Prices vary depending where you go. I hear Sasha auto in Galway are decent for turbos.

rugbyman

My nephew sells recon turbos ,excellent quality , my guess is 600 ish for yours plus vat, one years gaurantee. BUT if your garageman merely bolts it on you are likely to have it fail. The cleaning required and changing the new oil shortly should take a good mechanic hours and hours. There are cheaper available but not as good (he says)
pm me if interested.
Have the make and model no of the turbo to hand before you ring anybody.

not sure if I am allowed put his name on here


Regards Rugbyman

JR1210

fartman wrote: »

Hi all,my garage told me this morning that my turbo is fcuked anyone know what it will cost to replace it with a new one ,my car is a Audi a4 2.0 TDI

Go to http://www.vagcat.com/epc/ think you have to register
Put in the details of your car and you will be able to get the turbo part number, youll find one reconditioned for about 250 on ebay or adverts
I bought one off adverts for 220 euro delivered, brought the car up the north and they charged me £120 for labor - £30/hour is about right
Mechanics in the south will quote you crazy money, mate was just quoted 600 for labor and was advised that it would be 4 hours. Not sure what mechanic is worth 150/hour
You will also need to replace the oil and oil filter. You wont get a oil filter cheaper than the main dealer, you need the right oil so check online for cheapest

fartman

OK so I am looking at 600 for reconditioned turbo + 50 pH for labour and it will be 4 hours to fit + oil and filter least I have fair idea now when I get the bill next week.cheers guys

Stoolbend

What year is the A4?

The most important thing is working out what caused it to fail. The most common cause, unless there's big mileage, would be low oil pressure.

Stoolbend

Just saw the b7 part there.

Is this the engine that the shaft for the oil pump fails?

Guy:Incognito

etxp wrote: »

I hear Sasha auto in Galway are decent for turbos.

I may be wrong, and apologies to them if I am, but have they not been mentioned in a bad light, here and in the media? A little bell in my head rang when I read the name.

challengemaster

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I may be wrong, and apologies to them if I am, but have they not been mentioned in a bad light, here and in the media? A little bell in my head rang when I read the name.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0207/312023-nct/

Also from this post onward
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75745449&postcount=1660

basically avoid like the plague

fartman

Stoolbend wrote: »

Just saw the b7 part there.

Is this the engine that the shaft for the oil pump fails?

To be honest I don't know how can i tell what oil pump it has !

George Dalton

What exactly happened when the turbo failed?

fartman

George Dalton wrote: »

What exactly happened when the turbo failed?

Lots of smoke coming from the tail pipe with a strong smell of burning oil

George Dalton

Did the red oil pressure warning light come on at all?

fartman

George Dalton wrote: »

Did the red oil pressure warning light come on at all?

Got no warning lights at all mate ..

George Dalton

Your oil pump is probably ok so.

fartman

George Dalton wrote: »

Your oil pump is probably ok so.

Hope so mate

punisher5112

Sure had a Saab 93 and turbo went with 92k miles on it and car was minded well.
At the time recon turbo's were'nt around that I coulod find so cost €1260 new.

I always let my car warm up for at least 2 minutes depending on how cold may be little longer and allow to cool for a minute or so and try let the fan do it's turn.

VRs 2.0 petrol with 122,000miles ok so far.

fartman

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sure had a Saab 93 and turbo went with 92k miles on it and car was minded well.
At the time recon turbo's were'nt around that I coulod find so cost €1260 new.

I always let my car warm up for at least 2 minutes depending on how cold may be little longer and allow to cool for a minute or so and try let the fan do it's turn.

VRs 2.0 petrol with 122,000miles ok so far.

Very interesting about running your car for 2 mins before setting off that's something that I never done I always turn the key and go ...so when your engine is running is that heating up the turbo etc

punisher5112

fartman wrote: »

Very interesting about running your car for 2 mins before setting off that's something that I never done I always turn the key and go ...so when your engine is running is that heating up the turbo etc

It is good as t let the oil circulate.

Basically I start the car and wait for the auto choke to return needele to normal idle.

It is neve good to get in and drive off and if you do never go straight off and floor it as this is real bad.

I may be just over cautious but have always done it whether petrol or diesel turbo or none turbo.

Always notice the car drives very different cold including gear changes as the gearbox hasn't warmed up also.

fartman

Thanks for the tip mate

challengemaster

It's actually worse to leave the car sitting there warming up. Cars aren't designed to be left sitting warming up, and will warm up quicker by being driven. Oil won't circulate properly around the gearbox unless the car is moving, so that's debunked that theory.

The only part you're right about is that you shouldn't rag the car until it's warmed up properly.

fartman

Garage rang me this morning and said it going to cost 1100 euro to fix the turbo god I feel sick and that's getting the turbo rebuilded and fitted ,Audi wanted 1600euro for a new turbo and that's not even fitted ..so anyone has a turbo on there car make sure your oil is clean or you could be facing a big bill .

punisher5112

Hi fartman sorry to hear that.

The last poster thinks it's ok to just jump in engine cold and drive off.
I don't mean start car and leave sitting there for ages but just the 1 or 2 and I go by when the auto choke cuts out and revs level out.

The oil will not have circulated properly if you do this.
Also changing oil and filters on time or even slightly before service is due is good to prolong life.

I also know the gearbox will not warm up sitting there but thats why I said don't drive hard from the start as to let that warm up.


Turbo's can be very tricky and sometimes go no matter what but if looked after as best as possible it does help.

fartman

Cheers mate for the advise ,I will be doing what you said with running the engine for a few minutes before setting off for sure .:)

challengemaster

punisher5112 wrote: »

The last poster thinks it's ok to just jump in engine cold and drive off.
I don't mean start car and leave sitting there for ages but just the 1 or 2 and I go by when the auto choke cuts out and revs level out.

If you're referring to me, I don't think that, I know it. Otherwise the manufacturer would have a line saying "please sit in your driveway for 2 minutes until the car is warmed up" in the owners manual.

You can be damned sure it aint there!

A car in use will heat up more quickly. More revs = More combustion = More heat being generated. You don't need to take the piss, but normal driving.

Also you may want to check what decade you're in before giving out (bad) advice. Unless your car still has a carburetor, it doesn't have a choke.

fartman wrote: »

Cheers mate for the advise ,I will be doing what you said with running the engine for a few minutes before setting off for sure .:)

You're only wasting your time and fuel sitting there. But OFC everyone's an expert on the internet.

Gazzmonkey

challengemaster wrote: »

If you're referring to me, I don't think that, I know it. Otherwise the manufacturer would have a line saying "please sit in your driveway for 2 minutes until the car is warmed up" in the owners manual.

You can be damned sure it aint there!

A car in use will heat up more quickly. More revs = More combustion = More heat being generated. You don't need to take the piss, but normal driving.

Also you may want to check what decade you're in before giving out (bad) advice. Unless your car still has a carburetor, it doesn't have a choke.


You're only wasting your time and fuel sitting there. But OFC everyone's an expert on the internet.

Can't recall what car you are referring to,

But in my A4 TDI it is not a good idea to sit & idle as it would never warm up therefore it's pointless.

However, after a journey it is a good idea to sit & idle for a minute before switching engine off especially if the turbo was been heavily used.

tossy

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Can't recall what car you are referring to,

But in my A4 TDI it is not a good idea to sit & idle as it would never warm up therefore it's pointless.

However, after a journey it is a good idea to sit & idle for a minute before switching engine off especially if the turbo was been heavily used.

Does your A4 have an after run pump ? listen for a whirring noise from the lower front grille after switching it off, this pumps coolant around the engine and turbo for 10 mins after the ignition is turned off,a sort of OEM turbo timer if you will so no need to leave the car idle after a journey, My bora had one, as did my A4 and my S3.

Even still a bit of mechanical sympathy is called for , you shouldn't drive it hard as your near the end of a journey.

Gazzmonkey

tossy wrote: »

Does your A4 have an after run pump ? listen for a whirring noise from the lower front grille after switching it off, this pumps coolant around the engine and turbo for 10 mins after the ignition is turned off,a sort of OEM turbo timer if you will so no need to leave the car idle after a journey, My bora had one, as did my A4 and my S3.

Even still a bit of mechanical sympathy is called for , you shouldn't drive it hard as your near the end of a journey.

Thanks for the info,

I never knew such a thing existed, will keep an ear out for this "after run" pump.

tossy

Gazzmonkey wrote: »

Thanks for the info,

I never knew such a thing existed, will keep an ear out for this "after run" pump.

It should be fitted to every car in fairness,such a simple little thing could make a difference.

visual

tossy wrote: »

Does your A4 have an after run pump ? listen for a whirring noise from the lower front grille after switching it off, this pumps coolant around the engine and turbo for 10 mins after the ignition is turned off,a sort of OEM turbo timer if you will so no need to leave the car idle after a journey, My bora had one, as did my A4 and my S3.

Even still a bit of mechanical sympathy is called for , you shouldn't drive it hard as your near the end of a journey.

electric radiator fan runs on some cars for a few mins after engine is shut down but pumps are mechanical driven of engine. When engine is stopped so are the pumps.

challengemaster

visual wrote: »

electric radiator fan runs on some cars for a few mins after engine is shut down but pumps are mechanical driven of engine. When engine is stopped so are the pumps.

Normally, yes. What tossy has just explained is VW seem to have installed AFTER run pumps which function AFTER you turn off the engine.

tossy

visual wrote: »

electric radiator fan runs on some cars for a few mins after engine is shut down but pumps are mechanical driven of engine. When engine is stopped so are the pumps.

The clue is in the name 'After run' see below \/

challengemaster wrote: »

Normally, yes. What tossy has just explained is VW seem to have installed AFTER run pumps which function AFTER you turn off the engine.