Dog Runs.

kneemos

Anyone else of the opinion that these inappropriately named things should be banned as cruelty to animals?
Quite a few that I've seen just permanently lock their dogs in these cages,what's the point in having a dog if they're locked up all the time?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Depends on the size and design of the run. And the size of dog as well.

My dog has a run bigger than some gardens I know of.

Lou.m

kneemos wrote: »

Anyone else of the opinion that these inappropriately named things should be banned as cruelty to animals?
Quite a few that I've seen just permanently lock their dogs in these cages,what's the point in having a dog if they're locked up all the time?

It depends on the size of them some are bigger than a medium garden. Also it depends on the size of the dog. Also people don't leave the dogs in there for ages.

The DSPCA uses a few of them they are large runs and about the size of some Dublin gardens.

A cage is a different thing altogether.

And agreed a small space is cruel. Report them. Some people should not have dogs.

wazky

Should we ban leads too then?, since owners can just tie their dogs up.

May add ropes to the list too since those pesky owners might improvise with one of them also.

--LOS--

There are far far bigger cruelties than dog runs, but if I mention those on AH, everybody is in uproar

Gran Hermano

If you've a problem with dog runs you should change his diet.

keithclancy

kneemos wrote: »

Anyone else of the opinion that these inappropriately named things should be banned as cruelty to animals?
Quite a few that I've seen just permanently lock their dogs in these cages,what's the point in having a dog if they're locked up all the time?

My dog sleeps 90% of the time i'm not here.

I think my Kitchen should be named ... humongous dog bedroom.

kneemos

Makenzie Lemon Blouse wrote: »

Depends on the size and design of the run. And the size of dog as well.

My dog has a run bigger than some gardens I know of.

Some might be but I'm sure you know the ones I mean.I know several where the dog seems to be permanently locked in a space about two meters square.
Just baffled by the reasoning of it.

monflat

kneemos wrote: »

Some might be but I'm sure you know the ones I mean.I know several where the dog seems to be permanently locked in a space about two meters square.
Just baffled by the reasoning of it.

People think that at least the dog aint out causing trouble causing a car crash or chasing sheep
So lets put him in a dog run its better than tyin him up with a chain

Matt_Trakker

what the devil is a dog run?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

kneemos wrote: »

Some might be but I'm sure you know the ones I mean.I know several where the dog seems to be permanently locked in a space about two meters square.
Just baffled by the reasoning of it.

To be honest, I don't know anybody who keeps a dog in the type of run you seem to be talking about.

Jamie2k9

My two dogs share a run which is roughly the size of 3 standard housing estates back gardens. I don't see an issue once they have space.

kneemos

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

what the devil is a dog run?

This believe it or not.

Maphisto

kneemos wrote: »

This believe it or not.

Thanks. I wouldn't put my dog in one, but I think there are worse things.

Jamie2k9

kneemos wrote: »

This believe it or not.

Now that's not acceptable to keep a dog in at all.

kneemos

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Now that's not acceptable to keep a dog in at all.

I agree but they're very common.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

kneemos wrote: »

I agree but they're very common.

Just how common is very common? I must go around with my eyes shut!

kneemos

Makenzie Lemon Blouse wrote: »

Just how common is very common? I must go around with my eyes shut!

I know of five or six locally off hand so presumably there's quite a few.

monflat

Makenzie Lemon Blouse wrote: »

Just how common is very common? I must go around with my eyes shut!

There were ads all over when people started selling them first.

I see woodies do them
The large one wud be fairly small to be honest
More like a cage to stop the dog wandering

Sulla Felix

--LOS-- wrote: »

There are far far bigger cruelties than dog runs, but if I mention those on AH, everybody is in uproar

Ah go on

maggiepip

Makenzie Lemon Blouse wrote: »

Just how common is very common? I must go around with my eyes shut!

They are actually common enough. Fine for a few hours a day but unfortunately there are way too many people who stick the poor dog in it pretty much 24 hours a day. My mothers neighbour has one and the dog gets a walk - the rest of the time hes in the cage with a kennel. Utterly disgraceful. Actually I almost dont like visiting my mother anymore because the neighbours dog upsets me so much.

djflawless

So what are people meant to do?
Your post seems to be based on a very misunderstood opinion
I mean, 99% of dog pounds,shelters etc use very small runs for dogs, with 1 very big yellow shelter in Dublin using indoor ones.
So if you consider them cruel, I think you may rethink buddy

maggiepip

djflawless wrote: »

So what are people meant to do?
Your post seems to be based on a very misunderstood opinion
I mean, 99% of dog pounds,shelters etc use very small runs for dogs, with 1 very big yellow shelter in Dublin using indoor ones.
So if you consider them cruel, I think you may rethink buddy

Thats silly. The rescues etc use runs/kennels on a temporary basis while the dog awaits rehoming. They are not stuck in there for life.

djflawless

maggiepip wrote: »

Thats silly. The rescues etc use runs/kennels on a temporary basis while the dog awaits rehoming. They are not stuck in there for life.

Temporary...?OK

So dogs trust, "who never put a healthy dog down" will only keep a dog that nobody wants temporary?
Keep dreaming
There's nothing wrong with keeping dogs in a run provided they get, as already stated in the thread, a bit of freedom everyday
I've 2 in a run, they get 3-6 hours outside a day.clean,comfy bedding,as much grub as I see fit, fresh clean water always, and pen cleaned everyday.
Not a thing can be said to claim that's cruel

BillyMitchel

maggiepip wrote: »

Thats silly. The rescues etc use runs/kennels on a temporary basis while the dog awaits rehoming. They are not stuck in there for life.

Yeah because after a few days the dog finds a living home and it never sees the inside of a pen again. How long do you think it takes to re-home a dog? Real life isn't like homeward bound.

ellavin

My gardens fenced off my dog( st Bernard) sleeps all day amyway until a walk

kneemos

djflawless wrote: »

Temporary...?OK

So dogs trust, "who never put a healthy dog down" will only keep a dog that nobody wants temporary?
Keep dreaming
There's nothing wrong with keeping dogs in a run provided they get, as already stated in the thread, a bit of freedom everyday
I've 2 in a run, they get 3-6 hours outside a day.clean,comfy bedding,as much grub as I see fit, fresh clean water always, and pen cleaned everyday.
Not a thing can be said to claim that's cruel

Maybe you can explain then. What's the point in having dogs that are locked up almost permanently?

djflawless

kneemos wrote: »

Maybe you can explain then. What's the point in having dogs that are locked up almost permanently?

That's like asking why people buy cats which technically aren't a domesticated pet and keep them locked up in apartments, or buying a goldfish to swim around a 5 litre bowl.its human nature to have pets and lose interest/ not realise what a pet really needs
Just because OP and a few other posters think that they seen a dog locked in a dog run permanently, doesn't mean that dog runs themselves are an item of cruel intentions
I suppose next on the agenda is leads,collars,walks on leads???
Who knows, maybe keeping a horse in a stable at night is cruel too?

Pretzill

OP I don't like dog runs either particularly the small cagey ones - but then I don't keep my dogs outside - my house is probably smaller than some runs but I have three dogs stretched in their beds (eh couch) sleeping at the moment - and with walks and play they also love being outside running around - the thing is dogs love company and I like their company but I don't understand keeping a dog in a run all day - obviously for most big rescues and kennels etc dog runs are a nccessity for keeping the dogs safe on a hopefully temporary basis.

BrensBenz

I'm not aware of a "standard" size for dog runs so, naturally, you're going to have a range of sizes, from boxes to the ubiquitous football pitches, with claims from society ranging from cruelty to kindness.

Personally, I don't like runs of any size but, whatever about being caged, for me a greater cruelty is having a dog locked up by himself. And yes, I know that much worse cruelties are perpetrated but it saddens me to see a "pack" animal being kept in solitary.

I may be a soft-hearted old f@rt but my philosophy is that a dog (or almost any animal) has a short life and we humans should not add misery to that short life. If you can't give an animal a happy life, don't buy it. If you already have the animal, find someone who can give it a happy life.

Tail Docker

kneemos wrote: »

Anyone else of the opinion that these inappropriately named things should be banned as cruelty to animals?
Quite a few that I've seen just permanently lock their dogs in these cages,what's the point in having a dog if they're locked up all the time?

Agreed 100%. They ought to be renamed "My owner is a massive douche Runs". Cruelty of the highest order. I have 2 dogs, therefore I walk 2 dogs a lot. I have 0 "dog-run-cages".

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

maggiepip wrote: »

Thats silly. The rescues etc use runs/kennels on a temporary basis while the dog awaits rehoming. They are not stuck in there for life.

Nonsense. I have seen dogs held by rescue groups for months in runs smaller than the example the OP posted. One rule for some but not for others???

djflawless

Makenzie Lemon Blouse wrote: »

Nonsense. I have seen dogs held by rescue groups for months in runs smaller than the example the OP posted. One rule for some but not for others???

That's what I was getting at too.
I've 2 springers in a 30x15 ft run.and as I said, 3-6 hours freedom a day thru fields with me and then in the garden

kneemos

djflawless wrote: »

That's what I was getting at too.
I've 2 springers in a 30x15 ft run.and as I said, 3-6 hours freedom a day thru fields with me and then in the garden

A lot don't even get that much though.

Jen Pigs Fly

What's the point in even having a dog if you're not going to allow it to be part of the family and keep it outside for the rest of it's life?

Bar the small minority most dogs don't have a good quality of life being kept in a run outside (no matter how big the run) looking in the window at the family inside together ignoring the dog.

It's a social animal it does not want to be caged away from the family it wants to be with the family.

I've seen a lot of very badly socialised dogs coming through rescues, most if not all were kept outside in sheds or runs, they were never allowed to be part of the family and as a result did not know how to socialise with other people, dogs, children, etc and most needed a lot of behavioural specialists to try to get them over their anxieties and even then a lot never get adopted out and end up in fosters for the rest of their lives.

If you can't take care of him as a member of the family, then don't get a dog.

job seeker

Couldn't the owner just put up a fence?

djflawless

job seeker wrote: »

Couldn't the owner just put up a fence?

Well not everyone owns their property's and can just throw up a fence for sport.
Keeping a dog inside a home 24-7 only letting them out to piss is no different than locking up in a small cage

oppenheimer1

--LOS-- wrote: »

There are far far bigger cruelties than dog runs, but if I mention those on AH, everybody is in uproar

Like purebreeding

kneemos

djflawless wrote: »

Well not everyone owns their property's and can just throw up a fence for sport.
Keeping a dog inside a home 24-7 only letting them out to piss is no different than locking up in a small cage

Don't have a dog then.

DamagedTrax

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Like purebreeding

im sorry but what?

how in god's name is pure breeding cruel? backyard breeding, yes. badly thought out breeding, yes. breeding for anything but betterment of the breed, yes. tight breeding on specific bloodlines, yes... but pure breeding is a way of preserving breeds and assuring temperaments and health.

dont believe all the BS bandied about pure bred dogs. people use the term a lot when they havent a clue what it really means. all pure breeding means is that the dog has a proven pedigree, that doesnt stray away from the breed at any point.

if we had no pure bred dogs we'd only have mongrels.

oppenheimer1

DamagedTrax wrote: »

im sorry but what?

how in god's name is pure breeding cruel? backyard breeding, yes. badly thought out breeding, yes. breeding for anything but betterment of the breed, yes. tight breeding on specific bloodlines, yes... but pure breeding is a way of preserving breeds and temperments.

dont believe all the BS bandied about pure bred dogs. people use the term a lot when they havent a clue what it really means.

Pure breeding is cruel since it leaves some breeds highly susceptible to genitic diseases and problems. Hip displacia and cancers are two painful examples I an think of of the top of my head

It's the main reason why incest is taboo in human culture. Yet we allow inbreeding in dogs 'for improving the breed'. It does anything but.

kneemos

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Pure breeding is cruel since it leaves some breeds highly susceptible to genitic diseases and problems. Hip displacia and cancers are two painful examples I an think of of the top of my head

It's the main reason why incest is taboo in human culture. Yet we allow inbreeding in dogs 'for improving the breed'. It does anything but.

Pure breeding by unrelated animals is fine presumably.Inbreeding sounds like trouble.

DamagedTrax

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Pure breeding is cruel since it leaves some breeds highly susceptible to genitic diseases and problems. Hip displacia and cancers are two painful examples I an think of of the top of my head

It's the main reason why incest is taboo in human culture. Yet we allow inbreeding in dogs 'for improving the breed'. It does anything but.

im not sure you're aware what pure breeding is. are you perhaps mixing it up with what certain show breeders do when they breed for looks alone? that is not pure breeding, thats just bad breeding.

a well bred, pure bred dog is bred in away to eliminate health problems and add strengths.

plenty of working dogs are pure bred with zero health issues. pure bred does not mean kennel club show bred.

and tight line breeding has nothing to do with being pure bred or not.

oppenheimer1

kneemos wrote: »

Pure breeding by unrelated animals is fine presumably.Inbreeding sounds like trouble.

Pure breeding is inbreeding. Pure bred dogs are too genetically similar and it's why they can have so many health problems. Plenty of breeders line breed to enhance traits you're talking about.

Dogs of the same breed look more similar to each other than human siblings.

oppenheimer1

DamagedTrax wrote: »

im not sure you're aware what pure breeding is. are you perhaps mixing it up with what certain show breeders do when they breed for looks alone? that is not pure breeding, thats just bad breeding.

a well bred, pure bred dog is bred in away to eliminate health problems and add strengths.

plenty of working dogs are pure bred with zero health issues. pure bred does not mean kennel club show bred.

Nonsense. Head over to pets forum and you'll see that genetic diseases are common. So common in fact that they necessitate measures like hip scoring.

Mince Pie

Not sure what breeding has to do with leaving your dog in a run 24/7 but in relation to the OP I've always thought that if you want a garden ornament then get a gnome. If you want a dog and essentially a furry addition to your family, well then let them in the house as they are social animals and want to be part of the family.

I can understand that runs serve a purpose for containing the dog outside and not getting loose and chasing cars or what have you but they really should be for short periods of time and not as a permanent home for them.

DamagedTrax

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Nonsense. Head over to pets forum and you'll see that genetic diseases are common. So common in fact that they necessitate measures like hip scoring.

sorry but you're wrong. go and do some research on the difference between pure breeding and bad breeding and try to ignore tv3 documentaries that dont know the difference between the two either.

DamagedTrax

Mince Pie wrote: »

Not sure what breeding has to do with leaving your dog in a run 24/7 but in relation to the OP I've always thought that if you want a garden ornament then get a gnome. If you want a dog and essentially a furry addition to your family, well then let them in the house as they are social animals and want to be part of the family.

I can understand that runs serve a purpose for containing the dog outside and not getting loose and chasing cars or what have you but they really should be for short periods of time and not as a permanent home for them.

if its an animal in a working situation then fine. they need to be kept secure for their own safety and the safety of people.

in a pet situation, a good sized one is fine for short periods like you say. but the one the OP posted is nothing more than a cage.

mosi

djflawless wrote: »

Keeping a dog inside a home 24-7 only letting them out to piss is no different than locking up in a small cage

Nonsense. There is a huge difference between keeping a dog in the comfort and company of a home than in keeping one outside in a small cage, with no stimulation or human interaction.

djflawless

As I've stated TWICE, my dogs do have human interaction, they DO get freedom.they are well cared for and want for nothing.what I do cannot be called cruel.my dogs are working dogs, not pets, although they are cared for as well as humans.

Just out of interest, how do you feel about prisons,nursing homes,mental institutions etc???
And before its said, my question will not work out to be off topic...

Jen Pigs Fly

djflawless wrote: »

Just out of interest, how do you feel about prisons,nursing homes,mental institutions etc???
And before its said, my question will not work out to be off topic...

They're inside in the warmth and protected from the elements .... Not outside in a glorified cage 21 hours of the day in all weather.

And no kennels don't stop drafts, cold from getting in nor do they keep warmth in or are fully waterproof.