Offensive weapon being carried for defence

joeyob

Recently, I was attacked and almost killed in a completely unprovoked attack in a local park by 30 or so lads in broad daylight. They attacked my friend and I, and for the most part we were unharmed, apart from a few bruises and a blood nose.
As we were walking away, one of them ran up and stabbed me in the chest, just missing my heart by 3mm. These lads were all 15 - 16 years old, and so no matter what the police do, they will be back out around the streets of my town again in no time.
I am a trained boxer, am in good shape and well able to defend myself and have never ever used a weapon on anyone. But, I feel that if the situation arises again, and it will because I'm taking legal action against them and they are always around the place in packs, that I would be safer carrying a weapon to defend myself as i don't travel in packs. (And they also have no qualms whatsoever about using weapons on complete strangers for no reason)

I am aware that its illegal to carry an offensive weapon for any reason, but Id rather be charged with carrying an offensive weapon than be stabbed to death. My life is a bit more important to me than obeying this countries laws.

Can anyone suggest what they think they might do in the situation? It really is a tricky one. Thanks.

(Ps please save the violence is bad flower-child talk, this is real life Im talking about)

Canis Lupus

joeyob wrote: »

Recently, I was attacked and almost killed in a completely unprovoked attack in a local park by 30 or so lads in broad daylight. They attacked my friend and I, and for the most part we were unharmed, apart from a few bruises and a blood nose.
As we were walking away, one of them ran up and stabbed me in the chest, just missing my heart by 3mm. These lads were all 15 - 16 years old, and so no matter what the police do, they will be back out around the streets of my town again in no time.
I am a trained boxer, am in good shape and well able to defend myself and have never ever used a weapon on anyone. But, I feel that if the situation arises again, and it will because I'm taking legal action against them and they are always around the place in packs, that I would be safer carrying a weapon to defend myself as i don't travel in packs. (And they also have no qualms whatsoever about using weapons on complete strangers for no reason)

I am aware that its illegal to carry an offensive weapon for any reason, but Id rather be charged with carrying an offensive weapon than be stabbed to death. My life is a bit more important to me than obeying this countries laws.

Can anyone suggest what they think they might do in the situation? It really is a tricky one. Thanks.

(Ps please save the violence is bad flower-child talk, this is real life Im talking about)

Don't carry a knife it's moronic.

Mellor

joeyob wrote: »

I am aware that its illegal to carry an offensive weapon for any reason, but Id rather be charged with carrying an offensive weapon than be stabbed to death. My life is a bit more important to me than obeying this countries laws.

You've answer your own question really.
You know its illegal, but are willing to take that risk. What's more to say.

There is no legal reason where carry a weapon is justified. So the law won't be on your side.

Victor

Go to the Garda and get advice on personal safety.

Consider a stab vest if you have to.

johnnyskeleton

joeyob wrote: »

(Ps please save the violence is bad flower-child talk, this is real life Im talking about)

If you want real life, a knife is more likely to be taken off you and used against you in the situation you just described.

A more sensible option is a good pair of running shoes and a mobile phone.

joeyob

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

If you want real life, a knife is more likely to be taken off you and used against you in the situation you just described.

A more sensible option is a good pair of running shoes and a mobile phone.

Haha based on what? You may have missed the part about how I almost died that last time. I have no intention of carrying a knife in the first place, I was think something blunt or something scary looking to just get them to piss off. But if it comes to it (and I obviously can only speak for myself, and not for what you would do in the same situation) I would not hesitate to use it.

p.s. Mobile phones were what got me into this mess in the first place

joeyob

Victor wrote: »

Go to the Garda and get advice on personal safety.

Consider a stab vest if you have to.

Sound advice, a stab vest is probably the best option all around. Pity that Id have to wear one, but still. thanks.

234

joeyob wrote: »

Haha based on what? You may have missed the part about how I almost died that last time. I have no intention of carrying a knife in the first place, I was think something blunt or something scary looking to just get them to piss off. But if it comes to it (and I obviously can only speak for myself, and not for what you would do in the same situation) I would not hesitate to use it.

p.s. Mobile phones were what got me into this mess in the first place

If there are more of them than you then no kind of weapon will protect you. Weapons just escalate things. Avoidance is most effective.

joeyob

234 wrote: »

If there are more of them than you then no kind of weapon will protect you. Weapons just escalate things. Avoidance is most effective.

Yeah I appreciate your point, but my main aim with carrying a weapon would be to deter them, to let them know that if any of them get within arms reach that they would get hurt too. Id be surprised if they didn't decided to leave it off if that was the case, especially since they all know well that I didn't actually do anything to provoke that first attack in the first place. They are a bunch of gutless worms after all, 30 -40 versus 2, and still needed a weapon, doesn't exactly paint a picture of the most courageous group of youngsters.

CIARAN_BOYLE

nearly dead or a few bruises and a bloody nose???????

Sounds like a big difference.

Anyway.

Ask yourself if you know how to use a weapon. If the answer is yes then great. If not you are more likely to lose it and have it taken off you.

Something blunt and scary looking isn't a great idea because its obvious that you have it. You will get legal trouble for that.

Zambia

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

nearly dead or a few bruises and a bloody nose???????

Sounds like a big difference.

Anyway.

Ask yourself if you know how to use a weapon. If the answer is yes then great. If not you are more likely to lose it and have it taken off you.

Something blunt and scary looking isn't a great idea because its obvious that you have it. You will get legal trouble for that.

Fair go he did mention he was stabbed.

Op there are several legal items you can carry that could be used to defend yourself. However in all cases running is the best course of action. You can't take on that many.

What they are not doing is worried about carrying weapons as you are.

Little CuChulainn

joeyob wrote: »

Recently, I was attacked and almost killed in a completely unprovoked attack in a local park by 30 or so lads in broad daylight. They attacked my friend and I, and for the most part we were unharmed, apart from a few bruises and a blood nose.
As we were walking away, one of them ran up and stabbed me in the chest, just missing my heart by 3mm. These lads were all 15 - 16 years old, and so no matter what the police do, they will be back out around the streets of my town again in no time.
I am a trained boxer, am in good shape and well able to defend myself and have never ever used a weapon on anyone. But, I feel that if the situation arises again, and it will because I'm taking legal action against them and they are always around the place in packs, that I would be safer carrying a weapon to defend myself as i don't travel in packs. (And they also have no qualms whatsoever about using weapons on complete strangers for no reason)

I am aware that its illegal to carry an offensive weapon for any reason, but Id rather be charged with carrying an offensive weapon than be stabbed to death. My life is a bit more important to me than obeying this countries laws.

Can anyone suggest what they think they might do in the situation? It really is a tricky one. Thanks.

(Ps please save the violence is bad flower-child talk, this is real life Im talking about)

First of all, they are unlikely to be back on the street if they have been charged with riot and attempted murder, which they should be if your story is accurate. If they aren't, you should be asking the prosecutors why not.

Second, it's important you highlight your concerns to prosecutors. Bail conditions can be placed on them to avoid this behaviour and they can be bound to the peace following conviction.

Third, you will be guilty of an offence if carrying a weapon. The only people that can do this are Gardaí and soldiers. The law does not recognise the existence of defensive weapons for the public.

Finally, if you are genuinely in fear, do not be afraid to put pressure on the investigating Garda to do something about it. This can include the measures I outlined above or more active measures such as ensuring they are not permitted to hang out in groups and are actively targeted by patrols. If your story is genuine they are clearly a dangerous group and these measures would be appropriate.

joeyob wrote: »

Haha based on what? You may have missed the part about how I almost died that last time. I have no intention of carrying a knife in the first place, I was think something blunt or something scary looking to just get them to piss off. But if it comes to it (and I obviously can only speak for myself, and not for what you would do in the same situation) I would not hesitate to use it.

Unless you are a descendant of Rambo, one knife is not going to work against thirty lads beating you who also have knives.

joeyob wrote: »

Haha p.s. Mobile phones were what got me into this mess in the first place

How were mobiles to blame if it was completely unprovoked? Was it a robbery?

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

nearly dead or a few bruises and a bloody nose???????

Sounds like a big difference.

Anyway.

Ask yourself if you know how to use a weapon. If the answer is yes then great. If not you are more likely to lose it and have it taken off you.

Something blunt and scary looking isn't a great idea because its obvious that you have it. You will get legal trouble for that.

Did you read it? He was stabbed afterwards.

2Mad2BeMad

While I would suggest you don't carrie a knife around with you as it is illegal
I myself if it happened to me, I would carrie one around

I know it sounds like a hypocrite thing to say, but if something like that did happen to me, I would be in fear of my life, and the garda are practically useless when it comes to stuff like this
Not saying their doing a bad job, but they can hardly watch over you day and night when your out doing your own thing, these lads are scum and I hope they get what they deserve, specially the one who stabbed you
I would not hesitate to bring one of the scum to the afterlife with me if that many were beating me up
stay strong op, don't back out of it, they deserve to be locked up, if they don't who's to say it won't happen to someone else, or god forbid to you again

No Pants

OP, you need to take up hurling as a hobby. I mean, really take it up, so much that you would not be found without a hurley in your hand. Buy a hurley and a sliothar and carry them with you everywhere because of your sheer love of the game. Hop the sliothar off the hurley every now and again, maybe while going through the park or wherever there aren't people around.

Or maybe Pitch 'n' Putt, with your very favourite golf club in the whole wide world.

You can always still run if someone interrupts you violently on your way to a game.

Plek Trum

No Pants wrote: »

OP, you need to take up hurling as a hobby. I mean, really take it up, so much that you would not be found without a hurley in your hand. Buy a hurley and a sliothar and carry them with you everywhere because of your sheer love of the game. Hop the sliothar off the hurley every now and again, maybe while going through the park of wherever there aren't people around.

Or maybe Pitch 'n' Putt, with your very favourite golf club in the whole wide world.

You can always still run if someone interrupts you violently on your way to a game.

I hear baseball is getting very popular in Ireland nowadays...

Renegade Mechanic

Is there anything to be said for a tazer?

thomasm

No Pants wrote: »

OP, you need to take up hurling as a hobby. I mean, really take it up, so much that you would not be found without a hurley in your hand. Buy a hurley and a sliothar and carry them with you everywhere because of your sheer love of the game. Hop the sliothar off the hurley every now and again, maybe while going through the park or wherever there aren't people around.

Or maybe Pitch 'n' Putt, with your very favourite golf club in the whole wide world.

You can always still run if someone interrupts you violently on your way to a game.

I have seen a few scummers in our local area adopting the same 'love of hurling' approach recently.

longhalloween

You could always start working in a butchers and bring your belt of knives home with you every night. Maybe put a cleaver in there too.

UncleChael

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

First of all, they are unlikely to be back on the street if they have been charged with riot and attempted murder, which they should be if your story is accurate. If they aren't, you should be asking the prosecutors why not.

Second, it's important you highlight your concerns to prosecutors. Bail conditions can be placed on them to avoid this behaviour and they can be bound to the peace following conviction.
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Your living in a fairytale land my friend. Stuff like this happens all the time with no consequences for the perpetrator's. Not that the Guards aren't doing there job but I have heard of a good few instances similar to the one the OP describes and I have never heard of any of them being charged with attempted murder. As for rioting? Most likely be arrested for public order offence, last time I checked scumbags were getting off fairly lightly on public order offences.
Attempts to follow up with prosecutors are usually futile also. As for the bail conditions and bound to the peace, every scumbag and junkie in Ireland must be bound to the peace at this stage.

OP I would advise against getting a knife, as someone said it can just be taken off you. If your a boxer then I would suggest an overhand right and run.

234

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for a tazer?

Little CuChulainn

UncleChael wrote: »

Your living in a fairytale land my friend. Stuff like this happens all the time with no consequences for the perpetrator's. Not that the Guards aren't doing there job but I have heard of a good few instances similar to the one the OP describes and I have never heard of any of them being charged with attempted murder.

Where you stabbed in the chest with a knife?

UncleChael wrote: »

As for rioting? Most likely be arrested for public order offence, last time I checked scumbags were getting off fairly lightly on public order offences.

Rioting is a public order offence. The only differenc ebetween riot and afray is the number of people involved. People hear riot and think it has to be some major thing but in reality it needs only 12 people acting up.

Also, producing a weapon in the course of a dispute is also a serious crime.

UncleChael wrote: »

Attempts to follow up with prosecutors are usually futile also.

It's up to you to make sure your voice is heard.

UncleChael wrote: »

As for the bail conditions and bound to the peace, every scumbag and junkie in Ireland must be bound to the peace at this stage.

Yes and they pay for it in court if they breach it.

Bepolite

Stolen from another thread here - better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. OP you answered your own question.

I would get some help in relation to the issues you are now suffering. These things have lasting effects - this might help you make your mind up more effectively than legal advice.

Nermal

No weapon will protect you against 30 people.

I agree there's some laughably naive people on this thread, if you think people are quickly locked up for a long time for incidents like this, think again.

You need to make sure you don't encounter them again - do you live in a bad area? Move. Were you walking through one? Change your route. It's not cowardice to avoid a mob.

Little CuChulainn

Nermal wrote: »

No weapon will protect you against 30 people.

I agree there's some laughably naive people on this thread, if you think people are quickly locked up for a long time for incidents like this, think again.

You need to make sure you don't encounter them again - do you live in a bad area? Move. Were you walking through one? Change your route. It's not cowardice to avoid a mob.

Nobody said they'd be quickly locked up, although for an attempted murder it's quite possible. What they can be is restricted in their movements and prevented from interfering with the victim.

HeidiHeidi

Here we go again.......

Renegade Mechanic

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Nobody said they'd be quickly locked up, although for an attempted murder it's quite possible. What they can be is restricted in their movements and prevented from interfering with the victim.

Eh, fraid not:o

Bepolite

Nermal wrote: »

No weapon will protect you against 30 people

Little CuChulainn

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Eh, fraid not:o

Exactly what are you afraid of?

trancemuzic

Get yourself some telescopic nunchaku , they will fit in your pocket and are very light but if you are attacked again and cant get away, whip them out and start swinging

Renegade Mechanic

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Exactly what are you afraid of?

That anyone would think someone could be restricted in their movements and prevented from interfering with another. Unfortunately thats just not the case. They can be threatened with ramifications if they do so but that is generally a very poor deterrent when you consider the average attitude towards such things.

My genuine advice to op would be to either ad an edge to his boxing training- Military hand to hand comes to mind (a knife is only as effective as its reach)
Or, given youre taking up legal action against these people, Move away to avoid any "vengeance" attempts.

234

Why are people still suggesting nunchucks, military combat training, and other ridiculous things? If it's you against 30 other guys you are going to loose. Real life isn't some Matrix fight scene. The only effective way to deal with these situations is to avoid them. Once you are surrounded it's already too late and any weapon that you are carrying is liable to be used against you.

Sulla Felix

234 wrote: »

Why are people still suggesting nunchucks, military combat training, and other ridiculous things? If it's you against 30 other guys you are going to loose. Real life isn't some Matrix fight scene. The only effective way to deal with these situations is to avoid them. Once you are surrounded it's already too late and any weapon that you are carrying is liable to be used against you.

The only preparation you can do that'll help when it's 30 on 2 is get doing some cardio. Preferably a combination of speed and endurance training cause you'll want to get away and stay away.

kikidelvin

These scumbags have no respect or fear of the law.Better to carry a weapon that would really hurt them ,it is the only thing they understand .

234

kikidelvin wrote: »

These scumbags have no respect or fear of the law.Better to carry a weapon that would really hurt them ,it is the only thing they understand .

They will understand, and you would be dead. I''d rather live and have them ignorant.

joeyob

Well to be fair although there were about 30 of them at the time, Ive a feeling only about 5 or 6 of them would ever have the balls to do anything once its gone to court. In that instance I reckon a pair of knuckle-dusters, with the boxing, should be alright. As I said, these lads are all kids, so it was all pack mentality taking over.
I'm about a foot taller than most of them so I bet I can get a punch in before I knife gets near me, a broken jaw and smashed teeth should get the point across.. I can understand all the comments from people suggesting that I train cardio, run away etc, and I appreciate all the other comments too but I suppose Ill just have to see what happens next. Running away is unlikely to feature in the plan, but as soon as athe wound is fully healed Ill be back boxing anyways, which is great for cardio just incase one of them whips out a battle-axe or something ha. Cheers all around though lads. Much appreciated.

And yeah, I've seen them twice since, walked straight through the whole lot of them in the park again today and they pretended not to know who I was. ha cowards, theyll know who I am in court anyways. Until then its just the roll of the dice I suppose.

joeyob

Oh and to whoever asked, no it wasn't a robbery, but they attacked us because we were walking past them to get to where we had been previously, where the other lad that was with me had lost his phone.

Witcher

joeyob wrote: »

In that instance I reckon a pair of knuckle-dusters, with the boxing, should be alright.

Also illegal to possess, just fyi.

No Pants

Blay wrote: »

Also illegal to possess, just fyi.

Can you get rolls of coins from a bank?

del roy

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.

diegroblers

OP, it's not a good idea to ask for illegal advice on a forum on the internet. Or any other way, for that matter. Other posters has already advised avoidance. Unless you really are going Rambo and using a machine gun, there is no way you will win a fight against 30 people. I don't even know what this is doing in "Legal Discussion".

HeidiHeidi

diegroblers wrote: »

OP, it's not a good idea to ask for illegal advice on a forum on the internet. Or any other way, for that matter. Other posters has already advised avoidance. Unless you really are going Rambo and using a machine gun, there is no way you will win a fight against 30 people. I don't even know what this is doing in "Legal Discussion".

This ain't the first time I've seen this sort of thread - with loads and loads of posters suck(er)ed into it - and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last.

Don't know what the OP's issue is, but an issue he certainly has.

(Thread reported btw)

Alf Veedersane

joeyob wrote: »

And yeah, I've seen them twice since, walked straight through the whole lot of them in the park again today

You're looking for advice on how to deal with an attack yet you walked back through the park again, right through the same gang that stabbed you.

Am I missing something or is there just no logic in there anyway?

the_syco

Get yourself a nice torch.

the_syco

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You're looking for advice on how to deal with an attack yet you walked back through the park again, right through the same gang that stabbed you.

Where did you read this part? I read that they got attacked, and got stabbed whilst walking away from the attack?

neil_hosey

no law against carrying a hurley for recreational purposes

but if it gets taken off ye and used on you, you are in trouble.

pretty sad that this problem actually exists..

Alf Veedersane

the_syco wrote: »

Where did you read this part? I read that they got attacked, and got stabbed whilst walking away from the attack?

Second paragraph.

Mr_Red

OP

You can take up Hurling , Golf or find your love of animals. German Sheperd's , Doberman and Rottweilers are all beautiful dogs