Mass grave 800 babies in Tuam

dharma200

I find this really disturbing.
This is recent. How is it even possible? The church and those who work for it have so many questions to answer and still have so many supporters.. I just don't understand how such a cruel , inhuman and abusive organisation is still allowed not only to exist , but to actually prevail over the majority of our schools..

This story makes me sick.

mosstin

dharma200 wrote: »

I find this really disturbing.
This is recent. How is it even possible? The church and those who work for it have so many questions to answer and still have so many supporters.. I just don't understand how such a cruel , inhuman and abusive organisation is still allowed not only to exist , but to actually prevail over the majority of our schools..

This story makes me sick.

Link?

dharma200

dharma200

sorry no direct link to article.....

dharma200

'As many as 796 children are believed to have been interred in the concrete tank in Tuam in Galway between 1925 and 1961.'

Spring Onion

Where abouts in Tuam?

SunRain

RIP little ones, that is the saddest thing i have ever read.

Spring Onion

dharma200 wrote: »

I just don't understand how such a cruel , inhuman and abusive organisation is still allowed not only to exist , but to actually prevail over the majority of our schools.

Agree with this, the Roman catholic church still is and always has been a sick dysfunctional criminal organisation. When I see parents baptising and christening their children these days I can only think that they are (a) stupid or (b) brainwashed or (c) cowardly or all three.

There is a small children's graveyard (cillín) near me for unbaptised babies. A few stones mark their graves in the middle of nowhere. It always makes me sad.

dharma200

Schools still ask for baptismal certs I mean omg.... Just so angry, so much hurt and crimes against humanity... But it doesn't seem to be acknowledged...

I am not sure of the actual location, next to the place where the unmarried mothers were kept wherever that is... I truly hope that some sort of acknowledgement is made for the hideous suffering these women went through, and the horrific way in which these bodies were disposed......

Birroc

The first question I would always ask is whether these babies died of "natural causes". I have long suspected that the church did all they could to "get rid" of babies born out of wedlock. Some were "exported" or put up for adoption but not all...

Birroc

dharma200 wrote: »

Schools still ask for baptismal certs I mean omg....

well I hope you told your election candidates to do all they can to speed up the secularisation of our schools.

Mars Bar

Spring Onion wrote: »

Where abouts in Tuam?

Up Athenry/Dublin road side of the town AFAIK

Why is this not reported more?

Spring Onion

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is this not reported more?

Not sure. It is easier to read the article here;
http://www.pressreader.com/ireland/the-irish-mail-on-sunday

It does sound like these children were neglected badly.

dharma200

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is this not reported more?

I have no idea.. people are desensitised to the depths of depravity and inhuman treatment that were dished out by the catholic church and its 'staff'....

Very sad and hope this is looked into more and that someone is held accountable...

ScumLord

It looks like it was babies with deformities? That's how romans dealt with unwanted babies over 2000 years ago too, just throw them away to perish. The church showing where it's routes really lie.


I think if Jesus could come back and see the church that operates in his name he'd reconsider the whole cruxifiction thing.

furiousox

A mass grave with 800 babies?
It's like something from Nazi Germany.
What a vile, vile organisation.

MagicMarker

Erm, not to be a stickler for the facts, but is the article alleging that these children were killed by the church?

bagels

Spring Onion wrote: »

Agree with this, the Roman catholic church still is and always has been a sick dysfunctional criminal organisation. When I see parents baptising and christening their children these days I can only think that they are (a) stupid or (b) brainwashed or (c) cowardly or all three.

There is a small children's graveyard (cillín) near me for unbaptised babies. A few stones mark their graves in the middle of nowhere. It always makes me sad.

Last year the OTS (Old Tuam Society) began a project in Tuam to identify cillins and lisheens in the town and its hinterland. The cillin or lisheen is examined by an expert and is then recorded as a national monument. This means that it then becomes illegal for anybody or organisation to damage it in any way. Some cillins/lisheens have been found to be a thousand years old and were still in use in the 1960's. As graves, they should be protected and those interred within should be left undisturbed.
Sadly, the location of many of these graves is now unknown because the knowledge has died with our old folk. Before any more are lost, we need to discover where they are and protect them. Any information you, or indeed anybody else, have regarding the location of known or suspected cillins or lisheens would be most welcome.
Please feel free to PM details to me and I'll ensure the information is acted upon.

gaius c

MagicMarker wrote: »

Erm, not to be a stickler for the facts, but is the article alleging that these children were killed by the church?

Curious that none of the main papers are reporting this?
Fact checking maybe?

Spring Onion

http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/Mass-grave-of-up-to-800-dead-babies-exposed-in-County-Galway-.html


The staggering mortality rate of “The Home” was apparently replicated elsewhere in Ireland.

The Sean Ross Mother and Baby Home, portrayed in the award winning film “Philomena” this year, opened in Roscrea, County Tipperary in 1930. In its first year of operation 60 babies died out of a total of 120, a fifty percent infant mortality rate, more than four times higher than in the general population at the time.

Statistics show a quarter of all babies born outside marriage in the 1930’s in Ireland died before their first birthdays. As observers have remarked elsewhere, these were infant death rates from the 17th century.

In one year alone in the mid 1940’s in the Bessborough Mother and Baby Home in County Cork, out of the 180 babies born 100 died.

Given the shockingly high mortality rates, it is hard not to conclude that the destabilizing threat these children represented to Irish society and its conservative religious ethos may have contributed to their untimely demise.

nice_guy80

And a lot of it authorized by the state, or a blind eye turned to its existence.

Addle

The church's conduct in such matters is inexcusable.
But what's even worse, is that parents sent their own daughters to those institutions.

leeroybrown

Addle wrote: »

The church's conduct in such matters is inexcusable.
But what's even worse, is that parents sent their own daughters to those institutions

I think it's easy to be very critical of the parents from a modern day perspective but this was a very poor and very catholic Ireland in the early half 20th century. Most young women's future prospects were solely defined by marriage with their families struggling to feed extra mouths. At the same time the influence and control of the catholic church was enormous. I'm not trying to absolve the families of blame, just to say that it was the the way things were done at the time.

Personally, I've hit the point where I'm questioning whether I should even enter a church for weddings or funerals anymore. The organisation truly disgusts me and that's a very hard response to get from me.

joker77

leeroybrown wrote: »

Personally, I've hit the point where I'm questioning whether I should even enter a church for weddings or funerals anymore. The organisation truly disgusts me and that's a very hard response to get from me.

I was at that point a few years ago, softened a bit and have been to some weddings/christenings.

But that story has really affected me. Can't see myself setting foot in a church apart from a funeral, and even at that I could see myself waiting outside.

Completely sickened after reading that, and this
http://theraggedwagon.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/new-evidence-that-irish-children-were-murdered/

Ineedaname

There's a grave for unbaptised children on my neighbours land. All that marks each grave is a stone left on top of it. My dad's brother and sister who died at birth are buried there. It's so sad to think of those poor children.

Spring Onion

On Newstalk tonight;

The Taoiseach is being asked to initiate an inquiry into the deaths of newborns and young infants at mother and baby homes.

It comes after claims that the remains of almost 800 babies were buried in a mass grave next to a home for unmarried mothers in Tuam, Co. Galway between 1925 and 1961.

The Tuam Mother and Baby Home was run by the Bons Secours nuns.
The Adoption Rights Alliance group says it has anecdotal evidence that babies with disabilities or other health issues - which made them unlikely to be adopted overseas - were not cared for properly and were allowed to die.

Susan Lohan is the co-founder of Adoption Rights Alliance. She says that amateur research into similar homes in Ireland and Britain is highlighting concerns that need to be investigated fully.

She says such an investigation into the homes is needed now.

Addle

So saddening.

How were babies with deformities treated in general during that period?

funkee

I agree with the guy who posted this video that this is occult, rituals etc.

YouTube (vowel):

"The Occult - Mass Grave of 800 Babies in Galway, Ireland. RTE 6pm News".

(This is the RTE story from the 6pm news Friday 30th 2014.)

expectationlost

if this was known about why is this coming up now ? it seems to be related to that womens research and talk of unregistered deaths but its not clear why now?

funkee

Good question. I think the Galway lady just got some traction in local media and the Mail picked up on it.

Still no story in the Times, Independent etc etc.

And no talk of an investigation!

bagels

Ineedaname wrote: »

There's a grave for unbaptised children on my neighbours land. All that marks each grave is a stone left on top of it. My dad's brother and sister who died at birth are buried there. It's so sad to think of those poor children.

I'm reposting the following from Post number 19 in case you haven't read it, thanks:

Last year the OTS (Old Tuam Society) began a project in Tuam to identify cillins and lisheens in the town and its hinterland. The cillin or lisheen is examined by an expert and is then recorded as a national monument. This means that it then becomes illegal for anybody or organisation to damage it in any way. Some cillins/lisheens have been found to be a thousand years old and were still in use in the 1960's. As graves, they should be protected and those interred within should be left undisturbed.
Sadly, the location of many of these graves is now unknown because the knowledge has died with our old folk. Before any more are lost, we need to discover where they are and protect them. Any information you, or indeed anybody else, have regarding the location of known or suspected cillins or lisheens would be most welcome.
Please feel free to PM details to me and I'll ensure the information is acted upon.

expectationlost

the papers are covering it now and rte did piece today and said all the names are known and will be put on grave stone, so no unregistered deaths ?

Mr Druse

This is such sad news. How the Soul's of the children suffer at the hands of the one's who were be supposed to look after them. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Those children were not SALEABLE. This is and has always been the way with the CC. Money, thats all the holy roman empire is interested in.

Red Pepper

This story sickens me. Any word from the Archbishop of Tuam all week or are they hoping it will blow over?

And I suppose the Catholic apologists will be out soon saying it was a "few bad eggs".

And I wonder what the so called pro-life activists think of it all.

I rarely go into a Roman catholic church these days, funerals/weddings only, but right now, I just want to burn one down. Sick criminal organisation.

ScumLord

funkee wrote: »

I agree with the guy who posted this video that this is occult, rituals etc.

I assume you mean a cult other than the catholic church. If it was one or two babies I could see the argument, 800 babies is death on an industrial scale, no other cult can operate in such a large way in this country, it's all tied down by the catholic church.

funkee

Think you should google occult.

TeaBagMania

bagels wrote: »

I'm reposting the following from Post number 19 in case you haven't read it, thanks:

Last year the OTS (Old Tuam Society) began a project in Tuam to identify cillins and lisheens in the town and its hinterland. The cillin or lisheen is examined by an expert and is then recorded as a national monument. This means that it then becomes illegal for anybody or organisation to damage it in any way. Some cillins/lisheens have been found to be a thousand years old and were still in use in the 1960's. As graves, they should be protected and those interred within should be left undisturbed.
Sadly, the location of many of these graves is now unknown because the knowledge has died with our old folk. Before any more are lost, we need to discover where they are and protect them. Any information you, or indeed anybody else, have regarding the location of known or suspected cillins or lisheens would be most welcome.
Please feel free to PM details to me and I'll ensure the information is acted upon.

Well said bagels and completely agree, furthermore, I feel it’s our duty as Irish descendents to become custodians of these sites and preserve them for future generations

Birroc

I see this issue was brought up in the Seanad by Senator Naughton;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TelHCLSXoQ

Lousqueeza

What the? Why haven't I heard about this on the news or radio? How can this have happened without a HUGE almighty fuss being made about it? This is absolutely horrific.

spookwoman

Australian paper now picked up on it. http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/skeletons-of-800-babies-infants-believed-to-be-buried-at-bon-secours-sisters-site/story-fnh81p7g-1226939959324

I cannot believe that nothing has been done or no police investigation. This is recent and relatives etc are still alive so the only reason i can think of for nothing getting done is the government is afraid it will have to pay out to the victims of this "home".

Lousqueeza

Just been speaking to my husband about it and he's heard talk of getting the UN in as the Irish government are so reluctant to sort these messes out. I can't beleive this.

iguana

Can anyone who care about this please sign and share this petition demanding a full investigation into the children's deaths.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Frances_Fitzgerald_Irish_Minister_for_Justice_and_Equality_A_full_Gardai_investigation_into_the_mass_grave_in_Tuam_Co_Ga/

ScumLord

funkee wrote: »

Think you should google occult.

Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.

Or maybe you are more referring to this bit..

Hidden from view; concealed.

Which the church has been trying to do since it hijacked the message of an ancient Jewish scholar. They wanted to restrict peoples access to the bible so they could control the message. Look at the stuff they're still trying to hide.

Spring Onion

iguana wrote: »

Can anyone who care about this please sign and share this petition demanding a full investigation into the children's deaths.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Frances_Fitzgerald_Irish_Minister_for_Justice_and_Equality_A_full_Gardai_investigation_into_the_mass_grave_in_Tuam_Co_Ga/

Petition at 600 signatures in only a few hours. Please support.

dharma200

Hopefully ti will reach the 10000... truly shocking and the amount of sweeping under the carpet going on is unreal.. whoever that was that was suggesting if there is no public enquiry perhaps a 'social project' like its some sort of high school project worthy... I hope the pressure is on.. looks like many of these children were pretty much left to starve to death... not one single disabled child was adopted out from that place....

ScumLord

dharma200 wrote: »

Hopefully ti will reach the 10000... truly shocking and the amount of sweeping under the carpet going on is unreal..

Considering this happened in living memory, meaning the people that did this could very well still be alive, the government is probably giving the church a chance to relocate the people involved.

Mrs OBumble

ScumLord wrote: »

Considering this happened in living memory, meaning the people that did this could very well still be alive, the government is probably giving the church a chance to relocate the people involved.

Meaning the people who got dumped with the children that no one else wanted?

How many of you who grew up in Tuam have asked your parents and grandparents why the did nothing about it? (Clearly people knew: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/Galway-historian-reveals-truth-behind-800-orphans-in-mass-grave.html)

Why wasn't the Irish state providing care for disabled children by the 1960s?

Birroc

Spring Onion wrote: »

Petition at 600 signatures in only a few hours. Please support.

4,700 signatures already, impressive.

ScumLord

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Meaning the people who got dumped with the children that no one else wanted?

No, I mean the people who let these children died and decided to throw them in an unmarked hole are probably still alive and actively involved in the church.

How many of you who grew up in Tuam have asked your parents and grandparents why the did nothing about it? (Clearly people knew: http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/cahirodoherty/Galway-historian-reveals-truth-behind-800-orphans-in-mass-grave.html)

You have to apreaciate the level of opression and fear the church used against the general population. People had little to no science to offer an alternative to the churches dogma, we were an isolated island where the church controlled every aspect of our culture. People believed they'd suffer eternal damnation for going against the church. It's easy for us to dismiss the idea of eternal damnation now but when it's being drilled into you every day of your life it's hard to go against that level of propaganda.

Why wasn't the Irish state providing care for disabled children by the 1960s?

We were practically a third world country. As well as the awful stuff that generation did drag Ireland into the modern world.

Mrs OBumble

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why is this not reported more?

More than what?

Here's an article from last October

http://connachttribune.ie/memorial-for-788-babies-buried-in-tuam-orphanage/