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Tw*t of the week

  • 24-05-2014 12:01am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭



    Clearly trying to haze the cyclist by blipping the throttle as he passes but badly misjudged it.

    Edit: already posted in off topic thread, mods remove please


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,873 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    WillyFXP wrote: »

    Clearly trying to haze the cyclist by blipping the throttle as he passes but badly misjudged it.

    Edit: already posted in off topic thread, mods remove please

    The .motorbike guy did really well to get away with that. He completely moved the responsibility to the bike guy and once the police heard about the phone that was all she cared about.

    I'm surprised the video was put online as it must have been the mc who uploaded it and it clearly shows he was at fault and the police failure to get the actual facts.

    Still, I assume your op is based on the cyclist being a tw&t for being on the phone on a 6 lane round and I agree with you there. Doesn't remove the fault of the accident though


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,393 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    WillyFXP wrote: »
    Edit: already posted in off topic thread, mods remove please
    If the discussion gathers momentum (while remaining civil) we can move those posts over here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    Leroy42 wrote: »

    Still, I assume your op is based on the cyclist being a tw&t for being on the phone on a 6 lane round and I agree with you there. Doesn't remove the fault of the accident though

    No, the motorcyclist is the tw*t, he was clearly intent on intimidating the cyclist by revving the engine as he passed! I'm a motorcyclist and a cyclist, what this idiot did is both stupid and dangerous. If that policewoman had actually seen the footage she would be a little less bothered about the mobile phone and more concerned about the motorcyclist putting other road users at risk. The cyclist was lucky to escape with a skint knee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Still, I assume your op is based on the cyclist being a tw&t for being on the phone on a 6 lane round and I agree with you there. Doesn't remove the fault of the accident though

    I'd assume he'd have to mean the motorbike fella is the utter tw*t. Regardless of the phone, the incident is completely the motorbike's fault, & then having hit the cyclist without skipping a heartbeat, he self-righteously puts absolutely everything at the fault of the cyclist, shows not a second's worry about whether he's all right, & even after looking at the footage puts it up on Youtube! Staggering the cocoon of selfhood it's possible to dwell in.

    Edit: I see as I was typing, Willy has confirmed that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭LennoxR


    Can't we all just get along??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭circler


    Based on the YouTube comments (I need a suitable punishment for reading them in the first place), it seems that this motorcyclist has previous when it comes to knocking cyclists.

    For more info google "phantomfighter ducati cyclist" (I can't post links).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    circler wrote: »
    Based on the YouTube comments (I need a suitable punishment for reading them in the first place), it seems that this motorcyclist has previous when it comes to knocking cyclists.

    For more info google "phantomfighter ducati cyclist" (I can't post links).

    I presume you're referring to the thread in the hyperstrada forum. It makes very interesting reading, bikers don't seem to be as polite as us cyclists when making their views known on what they think of this turd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    Motorcyclist seems incredibly deluded. He uploaded the video himself(!!!) apparently thinking it portrays him in a good light. :eek::confused: And is now trying to get it taken down again.

    In his guise as phantomfighter, he made the following comment about the current incident on another forum (07 May 2014):
    I adjusted my right handle bar mirror with the left elbow of a cyclist. Lol

    However, even more interestingly, he appears to have a very similar incident a year or so earlier. On this forum (again as phantomfighter), he posted a year earlier (02 April 2013):
    I'm going through a compensation scam at the moment. I cyclist claimed I hit them from the rear on the road when they fell on their own in front if me.

    As I never collided with this person I left the "scene" I got a letter from the police accusing me of dangerous driving and leaving the scene of an accident.

    After a few months of stress sorting this out the police went no further as there was no evidence. I thought that it was all over until my insurance company received a letter 7 months later claiming I had collided with this cyclist.

    I'm waiting to hear the outcome. This was some young Arab **** in marylebone high street, the guy was on the phone at the time on his push bike.
    So are cyclists deliberately making phone calls while throwing themselves off their bikes in front of this blameless motorcyclist, is it an enormous coincidence, or could there - just possibly - be a third explanation?

    Pity he's not single (he's been identified, named, described at length elsewhere on internet). He and Emma Way would make a great couple.

    Could get very interesting. While he apparently had insurance at the time of his last incident, there's a suggestion here that the motorbike is currently uninsured.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    It's nice that he posts confessions online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    So much for keeping a distance of 1.5 m when overtaking (or undertaking, as here).

    And the cyclist was even wearing hi-vis. :)

    Clipboard01.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭TonyStark


    Interesting that he has taken the video now. It would seem to me he gets a kick off knocking down cyclists and in this instance had the backup of quite a hapless officer of the law.

    Cyclist should not be on the phone. But should not be assaulted because of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,959 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    radia wrote: »
    So much for keeping a distance of 1.5 m when overtaking (or undertaking, as here).

    And the cyclist was even wearing hi-vis. :)

    Clipboard01.jpg

    The guy on the motorbike was wrong, but so was the cyclist, using his mobile, once again a cyclist thinking that the rules of the road don't apply to them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    scudzilla wrote: »
    The guy on the motorbike was wrong, but so was the cyclist, using his mobile, once again a cyclist thinking that the rules of the road don't apply to them

    Actually, it's not against the law in the UK to use your phone on a bicycle. Intentionally riding your motorcycle into somebody and knocking them off, is. The more you know ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Also, it's hardly in the same level of wrong as vehicular assault. And then having a go at the guy when he's lying on the ground. And then bragging about it on youtube.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭PCX


    The videos taken down. Does anyone have a link to a version thats still up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    PCX wrote: »
    The videos taken down. Does anyone have a link to a version thats still up?

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/motorcyclist-hits-cyclist-posts-video-youtube-124261


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭radia


    Or original unedited 8 min version is here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=625_1400802712#7UWZM5bPvXZLIk9K.99


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    That police officer is a gob****e.

    Yes he was on his phone whiuch is a stupid thing to be doing and if he's broken a law charge him accordingly.

    The Muppet on the motorbike just barged into him, I hope he's charged with reckless driving.

    Some how the cars by far larger than the motorbike managed to avoid crashing into him. Absolutely nothing was to be gained by knocking the cyclist off his bike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    scudzilla wrote: »
    once again a cyclist thinking that the rules of the road don't apply to them

    Yeah, there was that other time in 2012 I think it was when a cyclist thought the rules didn't apply to him.

    Otoh the motorcyclist who thought the rules meant he could knock down a cyclist who was cycling in a dead straight line - I think that's the first time a driver of any other kind of vehicle made an error along those lines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭thimble


    Poor cyclist. He tried so hard - helmet, high vis, and he had been cycling along in the middle of a cycle lane - one that was bizarrely placed in the middle of the road, and ended abruptly, but still...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,959 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Actually, it's not against the law in the UK to use your phone on a bicycle. Intentionally riding your motorcycle into somebody and knocking them off, is. The more you know ;)

    Ok, it may not have been against the law but come on, using your mobile while cycling is just ridiculously stupid (and i'm not saying in any way this guy deserved to be clipped)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I am one that has to deal with these types all the time.

    If I were to hit someone the way the biker did I would be stripped of my licence.

    The only wrong thing done by cyclist was using phone but that actually had nothing to do with the crazy biker knocking him down.

    Spacial awarness would not be his speciallity anyways. Some terrible motorcycle riding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Ok, it may not have been against the law but come on, using your mobile while cycling is just ridiculously stupid (and i'm not saying in any way this guy deserved to be clipped)

    And him being on the phone had zero to do with him getting hit by the motorcyclist since there was nothing dangerous in his cycling. What happened was a cyclist was cycling in a safe manner and got hit by an aggressive moron from behind, If he had no phone in his hand - which is stupid - this would not have helped him in the slightest in managing to avoid getting hit by an oncoming driver in a motorised vehicle. So of course it would be pretty bizarre to focus on the phone as being the major issue here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,959 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    pelevin wrote: »
    And him being on the phone had zero to do with him getting hit by the motorcyclist since there was nothing dangerous in his cycling. What happened was a cyclist was cycling in a safe manner and got hit by an aggressive moron from behind, If he had no phone in his hand - which is stupid - this would not have helped him in the slightest in managing to avoid getting hit by an oncoming driver in a motorised vehicle. So of course it would be pretty bizarre to focus on the phone as being the major issue here.

    i'm not focusing on the phone, i've even said he didn't deserve that, but when your on the road, WHATEVER vehicle you're in, be it a car, bike, tractor or horse and cart, ya shouldn't be on a mobile


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    scudzilla wrote: »
    i'm not focusing on the phone, i've even said he didn't deserve that, but when your on the road, WHATEVER vehicle you're in, be it a car, bike, tractor or horse and cart, ya shouldn't be on a mobile

    Or deliberately drive into and injure someone. I don't see any defence for the motorbike rider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭rizzodun


    scudzilla wrote: »
    i'm not focusing on the phone, i've even said he didn't deserve that, but when your on the road, WHATEVER vehicle you're in, be it a car, bike, tractor or horse and cart, ya shouldn't be on a mobile

    I'm afraid that's only your opinion though, not the rules of the road, meaning your original post is moot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    scudzilla wrote: »
    i'm not focusing on the phone, i've even said he didn't deserve that, but when your on the road, WHATEVER vehicle you're in, be it a car, bike, tractor or horse and cart, ya shouldn't be on a mobile

    Likewise, whatever form you choose to use the road in. You should not deliberately perform a needless, aggressive manoeuvre. Especially to teach a more vulnerable road user "a lesson".

    The guy on the motorbike is a fcuking moron and may get someone killed if he keeps up his retarded crusade of ridiculous tactical bullying.

    That policewoman was a fecking thick too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    scudzilla wrote: »
    The guy on the motorbike was wrong, but so was the cyclist, using his mobile, once again a cyclist thinking that the rules of the road don't apply to them
    Could you point out which rule? Using a mobile while cycling is not illegal in Ireland or the UK. Reckless maybe, but not illegal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    scudzilla wrote: »
    i'm not focusing on the phone, i've even said he didn't deserve that, but when your on the road, WHATEVER vehicle you're in, be it a car, bike, tractor or horse and cart, ya shouldn't be on a mobile

    You just mentioned the phone again. So it might come as a surprise, but you are still focusing on the phone. Every day we see people on mobiles whilst driving so spending most of your efforts talking about that issue when THE issue here is the bullying fool driving into the cyclist is ridiculous.
    As an aside, if the motorbike rider saw a guy in say an SUV on a mobile and decided to drive into him to teach him a lesson, I'd be far more impressed by his manliness.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭rollingscone


    A cyclist mate of mine posted the vid on Facebook.

    Only to receive a storm of blame the victim comments from his motorcycle mates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭fiachraX


    pelevin wrote: »
    As an aside, if the motorbike rider saw a guy in say an SUV on a mobile and decided to drive into him to teach him a lesson, I'd be far more impressed by his manliness.
    Looks like the driver of the black cab on the left (at 9 secs) was also on the phone. Oddly, he didn't choose to crash him.

    Also, looks at that point as though the motorcyclist is behind the cyclist in the cycle track. As a motorised vehicle, is that allowed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    The mentality of this driver is really idiotic. He thought it was ok to administer the law himself. He obviously has an issue with cyclists. This is the mentality we face on the roads every day. It's down to the RSA and the government to change these attitudes. Their current efforts are not enough to be honest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    PCX wrote: »
    The videos taken down. Does anyone have a link to a version thats still up?



    Both the cyclist and the biker should share an equal portion of the blame IMO.

    Nice cop though.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?




    Both the cyclist and the biker should share an equal portion of the blame IMO.

    Nice cop though.

    Equal portion? How so?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    I cant see how someone who rear ends someone can think for a second that they are not at fault! Its completely irrelevant if the cyclist was on the phone or not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Brian? wrote: »
    Equal portion? How so?

    Cyclist for using a phone riding, and the biker for his poor judgement/bullyboy antics ~ two idiots IMO.. And just because this is posted on a cycling forum doesn't mean everyone has to side with the cyclist.

    He's a nice man no doubt, seemed really decent but using the phone on the road whether you're driving, cycling or a pedestrian really isn't the brightest thing to do in all fairness.

    Thats it, as a cyclist and a biker I'm not even gonna argue about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    Both the cyclist and the biker should share an equal portion of the blame IMO
    I'd also like an explanation of this line of reasoning. It may come in handy if I ever hit someone from behind when driving.

    Edit: You've responded. Apparently it's okay to share the responsibility out if one party is doing something which I believe is unsafe. The law doesn't come into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    How did the cyclist In any way cause what happened? What could he have done differently if he wasn't on the phone? You can't predict some tosser intentionally driving into the back of you, and there's probably nothing you can do about it when it happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP




    Both the cyclist and the biker should share an equal portion of the blame IMO.

    Nice cop though.

    Wow, just wow. If someone ran up behind you and up punched you in the kidney for absolutely no reason and without warning would you think it fair to say you were partly to blame? Get a grip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭dsaint1


    Cyclist for using a phone riding, and the biker for his poor judgement/bullyboy antics ~ two idiots IMO.. And just because this is posted on a cycling forum doesn't mean everyone has to side with the cyclist.

    He's a nice man no doubt, seemed really decent but using the phone on the road whether you're driving, cycling or a pedestrian really isn't the brightest thing to do in all fairness.

    Thats it, as a cyclist and a biker I'm not even gonna argue about it.

    And a cyclist and a biker I can clearly see what this biker was up to. It was without doubt an intentional act to to teach the cyclist a lesson. He even boasted about how he "adjusted his right mirror using a cyclist" on a Ducati forum. Maybe you should go and research the full story or even read the previous posts here before "not arguing" about it?


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I once knocked a car over and nearly hurt the driver badly because the driver was on the phone. Oh wait, I didn't because even though the driver is both wrong and dangerous, it doesn't give me carte blanche to do whatever I want to them.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MOD VOICE: just deleted some posts, if you have a problem with a post, report it, do not resort to backseat modding or name calling. It will not be tolerated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    I love this forum no matter how wrong a cyclist is he will always be defended here.

    Cyclist was on his phone which caused him to be distracted by his surroundings which prevented him from hearing high powered motor bike getting way too close to him.Fella on the motorbike was wrong no doubt about that.

    Same as cyclists I see on road with ear phones in, its a accident waiting to happen.

    On a side note if someone posted tw*t of the week and it was a cyclist I'm sure the OP would have been banned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Unknown Soldier


    I love when people say "Wow, just wow" on internet discussion forum, it sounds so... limp.

    Anyway chaps, that's my stated opinion. Both were idiots, sorry if I wobbled any titties by disagreeing with popular opinion around here.

    Carry on folk.

    I've seen you post on board for years and know you have a fairly sensible head on you.

    I don't think you have "wobbled any titties by disagreeing with popular opinion"

    The cyclist is an idiot for being on the phone. I'd say even most people here would go with that.

    But that's not what you said.

    You are wrong because you seem to think it had something to do with the accident?

    "Both the cyclist and the biker should share an equal portion of the blame IMO."

    Do you get that or is this a standard internetz "never being wrong thing"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    No Pants wrote: »
    I'd also like an explanation of this line of reasoning. It may come in handy if I ever hit someone from behind when driving.

    Edit: You've responded. Apparently it's okay to share the responsibility out if one party is doing something which I believe is unsafe. The law doesn't come into it.

    This is what a cyclist getting his from behind looks like;



    The cyclist in the OP was hit on the side by a biker legally undertaking him because some other sap thought it a good idea to put a cycle lane down the middle of a road.

    The Ducati is a loud bike, I could say had the cyclist not not been on his phone then he might have heard the bike approaching from his left.

    He must share a burden of the blame and take responsibilty for his own actions, after all even the cop said it 'He's old enough to know better'.

    As for the biker, its my experience that most people wearing helmet cam's are out looking for trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    dave1982 wrote: »
    I love this forum no matter how wrong a cyclist is he will always be defended here.

    Cyclist was on his phone which caused him to be distracted by his surroundings which prevented him from hearing high powered motor bike getting way too close to him.Fella on the motorbike was wrong no doubt about that.

    Same as cyclists I see on road with ear phones in, its a accident waiting to happen.

    On a side note if someone posted tw*t of the week and it was a cyclist I'm sure the OP would have been banned.

    I don't feel part of some specific cycling species with an affiliation with all other cycling members of the brotherhood. Sometimes I'm a person who cycles, sometimes one who drives, sometimes one who walks.
    So if you're on a bicycle, and a motorbike comes from behind much faster, if you don't take evasive action like for example leaping 6 feet into the air, you've a significant part of the blame. Or perhaps out-cycling the oncoming motorbiker.

    If the cycling twat of the week saw someone in front like a child walking while on the phone & took that child out with a deft manoeuvre, then berated said child while child was lying on the floor, I'm sure that person would be banned all right. I'd say that would be roughly equivalent to a motorbike rider knocking down a cyclist in this manner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭WillyFXP


    This is what a cyclist getting his from behind looks like;



    The cyclist in the OP was hit on the side by a biker legally undertaking him because some other sap thought it a good idea to put a cycle lane down the middle of a road.

    The Ducati is a loud bike, I could say had the cyclist not not been on his phone then he might have heard the bike approaching from his left.

    He must share a burden of the blame and take responsibilty for his own actions, after all even the cop said it 'He's old enough to know better'.

    As for the biker, its my experience that most people wearing helmet cam's are out looking for trouble.

    So people with profound hearing loss or deafness shouldn't be allowed to cycle?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I've seen you post on board for years and know you have a fairly sensible head on you.

    I don't think you have "wobbled any titties by disagreeing with popular opinion"

    The cyclist is an idiot for being on the phone. I'd say even most people here would go with that.

    But that's not what you said.

    You are wrong because you seem to think it had something to do with the accident?

    "Both the cyclist and the biker should share an equal portion of the blame IMO."

    Do you get that or is this a standard internetz "never being wrong thing"

    Thanks, I'm complimented.

    Ok l'll withdraw ''equal'' blame ('cause I'm a nice man :) ) but come on only the blind faithful would apportion the entire blame on the biker.

    Tbh I'm not getting bogged down on this, after a very busy weekend working I'm on the way out the door for a few gargles this evening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    WillyFXP wrote: »
    So people with profound hearing loss or deafness shouldn't be allowed to cycle?

    After your last post calling me a troll (which I reported for personal abuse before you thought better of it) I no longer wish to discuss anything with you, good day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    dave1982 wrote: »
    Cyclist was on his phone which caused him to be distracted by his surroundings which prevented him from hearing high powered motor bike getting way too close to him.Fella on the motorbike was wrong no doubt about that.
    The cycle lane is in the middle of the road. Even if he had heard the bike, and there's nothing to suggest that he didn't, I'm unsure what action he could have taken. He was cycling in a straight line.

    Can you also please explain how the cyclist's phone stopped the biker's eyes from seeing him, the motorcycles brakes from working and made the biker crow about his behaviour on the internet.

    You can't, because the phone has nothing to do with the biker's actions.


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