Cost Of Ploughing, Power Harrowing

ziggerd

Hi
I'm just wondering the approximate cost for ploughing grassland and power harrowing per acre. if i can get the cost breakdown as follows that would be great
Ploughing per acre:
power harrowing per acre:

Thanks

allbuiz

Depends what type of ground you have and amount of acres but about €30 an acre inc vat for ploughing and €30 an acre inc vat for power harrow and sower (1 Pass).

merryberry

Ploughing stubble anything ball park €35-40. Add another €5-8 for grassland. Power harrow or disc/ tine cultivator?

allbuiz

merryberry wrote: »

Ploughing stubble anything ball park €35-40. Add another €5-8 for grassland. Power harrow or disc/ tine cultivator?

Where is that being charged? How many acres?

merryberry

allbuiz wrote: »

Where is that being charged? How many acres?

Your after getting me up out of bed to check now...hang on

allbuiz

merryberry wrote: »

Your after getting me up out of bed to check now...hang on

There mustn't b to many ploughing around ur place.

ziggerd

the land is fairly level, is established grassland and no major wet-spots or rough areas. the plough that was used was be a 4 furrow plough (non-reversible), followed by a power harrow 1 run.
i done the spraying, levelling, rolling and put in the seed myself (and stone-picking!)
(it's been over 10 years since i got re-seeding done and just wanna know where i stand with costings)

merryberry

allbuiz wrote: »

There mustn't b to many ploughing around ur place.

ploughing lea €38-50/ac inc VAT

power harrow/ run €25-40 inc VAT

from IFJ contractor chrages 2014

allbuiz

ziggerd wrote: »

the land is fairly level, is established grassland and no major wet-spots or rough areas. the plough that was used was be a 4 furrow plough (non-reversible), followed by a power harrow 1 run.
i done the spraying, levelling, rolling and put in the seed myself (and stone-picking!)
(it's been over 10 years since i got re-seeding done and just wanna know where i stand with costings)

This time of year you should be able to get it done cheap. Just make sure the ploughing is good makes a lot of difference.

merryberry

allbuiz wrote: »

There mustn't b to many ploughing around ur place.

ploughing lea €38-50/ac inc VAT

power harrow/ run €25-40 inc VAT

from IFJ contractor chrages 2014

ziggerd

thanks

allbuiz

merryberry wrote: »

ploughing lea €38-50/ac inc VAT

power harrow/ run €25-40 inc VAT

from IFJ contractor chrages 2014

They're bumped up in the first place. When they get paid will make a lot of difference on price.

ziggerd

what is the vat rate on ploughing, reseeding etc?
can i claim the Vat back on the cost of re-seeding (i.e. ploughing, power harrowing and the cost of the grass seed) even though the land was still being used for agricultural purposes before re-seeding

allbuiz

ziggerd wrote: »

what is the vat rate on ploughing, reseeding etc?

All contractors that are VAT registered 13.5%

ziggerd

can i claim the Vat back on the cost of re-seeding (i.e. ploughing, power harrowing and the cost of the grass seed) even though the land was still being used for agricultural purposes before re-seeding

allbuiz

ziggerd wrote: »

can i claim the Vat back on the cost of re-seeding (i.e. ploughing, power harrowing and the cost of the grass seed) even though the land was still being used for agricultural purposes before re-seeding

R u VAT registered?

ziggerd

no

allbuiz

ziggerd wrote: »

no

Don't think u can if not VAT registered. Maybe getting registered would make sense?

ziggerd

i was browsing and under the revenue's website you will find a form Vat 58 for use on non registered farmers for claiming vat back on new farm buildings, fencing, land drainage etc.....
it says reclamation of land as well but i'm wondering does the land have to be non-usable before re-seeding or can your claim on farm land that was being farmed and you just want to make it more productive

allbuiz

ziggerd wrote: »

i was browsing and under the revenue's website you will find a form Vat 58 for use on non registered farmers for claiming vat back on new farm buildings, fencing, land drainage etc.....
it says reclamation of land as well but i'm wondering does the land have to be non-usable before re-seeding or can your claim on farm land that was being farmed and you just want to make it more productive

Give ur local adviser a call

Lambofdave

allbuiz wrote: »

This time of year you should be able to get it done cheap. Just make sure the ploughing is good makes a lot of difference.

You want a cheap job and good ploughing which side do you want your bread buttered? Any time of year the contractor deserves to make a living.
Thats if you are using a real contractor or just a farmers son

epfff

I feel robbed
My contractor (in a non tillage area) wants 130 an acre to plough disk twice powerharrow with grass box

Zr105

epfff wrote: »

I feel robbed
My contractor (in a non tillage area) wants 130 an acre to plough disk twice powerharrow with grass box

Thats probably breaking down to
€40 plough
€30 first run
€25 second run
€45 to sow,

Sowing could probably be a bit cheaper but to be honest the rest wouldn't be to bad, lay is heavy ploughing from both a diesel and wear metal point of view so €40 would be fair enough. There's certainly not many ploughin stubbles for less than €30 round this way and there's fair amount of tillage

allbuiz

epfff wrote: »

I feel robbed
My contractor (in a non tillage area) wants 130 an acre to plough disk twice powerharrow with grass box

Don't use box as its very old technology and doesn't spread seed evenly

allbuiz

Lambofdave wrote: »

You want a cheap job and good ploughing which side do you want your bread buttered? Any time of year the contractor deserves to make a living.
Thats if you are using a real contractor or just a farmers son

Contractor I use says that I'm tight but he leaves with a cheque when job is done. It's cash flow for him. Even at €30 an acre for ploughing he is still making ok money and at €30 an acre for grass sowing he is making very good money. Sure he sowed 30 acres in August last year in one day. €900 for his day, diesel isn't that expensive.

blue5000

allbuiz wrote: »

Contractor I use says that I'm tight but he leaves with a cheque when job is done. It's cash flow for him. Even at €30 an acre for ploughing he is still making ok money and at €30 an acre for grass sowing he is making very good money. Sure he sowed 30 acres in August last year in one day. €900 for his day, diesel isn't that expensive.

Ok he probably used 9-10 L an acre for ploughing. What size plough and tractor was it? Diesel isn't his only cost, there is also
depreciation/machinery repayments,
labour,
wearing parts.

allbuiz

blue5000 wrote: »

Ok he probably used 9-10 L an acre for ploughing. What size plough and tractor was it? Diesel isn't his only cost, there is also
depreciation/machinery repayments,
labour,
wearing parts.

€900 for a days work and he isnt making money, pull the other one.

razor8

Was charged €165 incl vat last year to plough disc level. Harrow and seed. Sounds very dear now looking at other prices

blue5000

I never said he isn't making money, just asked what tractor and plough he had.

merryberry

razor8 wrote: »

Was charged €165 incl vat last year to plough disc level. Harrow and seed. Sounds very dear now looking at other prices

have u considered burn off, disc and seed. Reduced costs, no picking stones. Just if u had looked into it u could share thoughts

allbuiz

blue5000 wrote: »

I never said he isn't making money, just asked what tractor and plough he had.

MF 5455 tractor and 4 furrow plough. Kuhn sower

allbuiz

merryberry wrote: »

have u considered burn off, disc and seed. Reduced costs, no picking stones. Just if u had looked into it u could share thoughts

Results were poor at teagasc demo

Username John

allbuiz wrote: »

Contractor I use says that I'm tight but he leaves with a cheque when job is done. It's cash flow for him. Even at €30 an acre for ploughing he is still making ok money and at €30 an acre for grass sowing he is making very good money. Sure he sowed 30 acres in August last year in one day. €900 for his day, diesel isn't that expensive.

allbuiz wrote: »

€900 for a days work and he isnt making money, pull the other one.

Sure I heard a neighbour there say he sold 10 cattle in the mart one day, and made over 10k...

10k - and he prob wasnt even in the mart the whole day... Maybe a few hours... Imagine, getting paid 10k for a few hours work...

What that? How much investment did it take to make the 10k?

No, no - he made 10k in the one day... just like that... 10k... savage...

Damo810

allbuiz wrote: »

€900 for a days work and he isnt making money, pull the other one.

High turnover does NOT equal high profit though. Something many farmers don't seem to understand.

GRASSorMUCK

allbuiz wrote: »

Results were poor at teagasc demo

Yes but it's Teagasc.

newholland mad

allbuiz wrote: »

€900 for a days work and he isnt making money, pull the other one.

well its actually 793 + vat he only gets to "mind" the 107 for a few weeks

epfff

allbuiz wrote: »

Don't use box as its very old technology and doesn't spread seed evenly

Sorry. My bad it's an air seeder I should have remembered as he tells me how good it isand dear it was to buy every time he here

razor8

merryberry wrote: »

have u considered burn off, disc and seed. Reduced costs, no picking stones. Just if u had looked into it u could share thoughts

Stones were a disaster, still picking some, will be overseeding this year for sure, bit of drainage to do first which is costing €4.60 a meter all included

merryberry

razor8 wrote: »

Stones were a disaster, still picking some, will be overseeding this year for sure, bit of drainage to do first which is costing €4.60 a meter all included

I feel ur pain...grand to say reseed a field and it will become a good field...but as u rightly pointed out there can b underlying issues, and i don't mean literally, and they aint cheap.

jt65

allbuiz wrote: »

€900 for a days work and he isnt making money, pull the other one.

why dont you try it so ?

merryberry

allbuiz wrote: »

€900 for a days work and he isnt making money, pull the other one.

Hey Minister Coveney, why are u on boards.ie

Lambofdave

Two words that should never go together are Cheap and Reseed the words that should go together are grass management and reseed.