Move over Green Party.

c_man

Yeah, can't see too many SF - FG transfers




Anyways, back on topic. Gilmore for taoiseach! :pac:

Elmo

theKillerBite wrote: »

The Green Party was a disaster in Government & for the country. Worse than FF.

http://cdn2.independent.ie/migration_catalog/article25184995.ece/580d1/ALTERNATES/w620/child_pa

Come on, there were far more children in FF and the PDs

EyeSight

The greens were awful! Don't ever want to see them back.
Their solution to everything was adding another tax

kneemos

Chinasea wrote: »

Could you give an example please?

His smugness or crackpot ideas?
Tax on fossil fuels which has helped contribute the massacre of trees in all parts of the countryside as people look for affordable alternatives
The Godforsaken eyesores that are wind farms.
I know there's more,can't think at the moment.

Amirani

kneemos wrote: »

His smugness or crackpot ideas?
Tax on fossil fuels which has helped contribute the massacre of trees in all parts of the countryside as people look for affordable alternatives
The Godforsaken eyesores that are wind farms.
I know there's more,can't think at the moment.

So stuff that they do in pretty much every other country in the world? Sure are crackpot ideas.

Reformed Character

tayto lover wrote: »

Shove over Greens and P.D.'s and make room for Labour on the benches of history.

Bye bye Labour.

And good riddance.

tayto lover

kneemos wrote: »

His smugness or crackpot ideas?
Tax on fossil fuels which has helped contribute the massacre of trees in all parts of the countryside as people look for affordable alternatives
The Godforsaken eyesores that are wind farms.
I know there's more,can't think at the moment.

Increase in carbon taxes caused the price of petrol and heating oil to rise considerably.

Phoebas

kneemos wrote: »

His smugness or crackpot ideas?
Tax on fossil fuels which has helped contribute the massacre of trees in all parts of the countryside as people look for affordable alternatives
The Godforsaken eyesores that are wind farms.
I know there's more,can't think at the moment.

Favouring renewables over fossil fuels? The bastards :mad:
:pac:

c_man

kneemos wrote: »

His smugness or crackpot ideas?
Tax on fossil fuels which has helped contribute the massacre of trees in all parts of the countryside as people look for affordable alternatives
The Godforsaken eyesores that are wind farms.
I know there's more,can't think at the moment.

Something with his flip-flopping on Shell2Sea and Tara? Wasn't that a thing iirc? Actually what do current Green supporters here think about those?

wp_rathead

theKillerBite wrote: »

The Green Party was a disaster in Government & for the country. Worse than FF.

Worse than FF?

Seriously?

You are saying the Green Party were WORSE than Fianna Fáil?

tayto lover

RecordStraight wrote: »

Oops

Show me the post please.

RecordStraight

wprathead wrote: »

Worse than FF?

Seriously?

You are saying the Green Party were WORSE than Fianna Fáil?

Yes, worse than rampant corruption and epic mismanagement, not to mention blowing the boom by throwing money at every problem rather than actually fixing anything.

The Greens had some wacky ideas. That's far worse.

Elmo

In '09 The Green Manifesto was consider to be one of the best by a number of leading economists. They went into government after years of over inflated house prices and bad economics. Like The Labour Party they should have stayed clear of government with FF or FG.

The Labour Party are in a much worse position, they clearly have more power than The Green's had with far more TDs yet they still seem to be following FG in ever step that they make.

Reformed Character

wprathead wrote: »

Worse than FF?

Seriously?

You are saying the Green Party were WORSE than Fianna Fáil?

Yup, FF were like an alcoholic driving a merc through rush hour traffic at speed, and the Greens were the passenger feeding them whiskey but claiming no responsibility for the consequences.

super_furry

theKillerBite wrote: »

The Green Party was a disaster in Government & for the country. Worse than FF.

http://cdn2.independent.ie/migration_catalog/article25184995.ece/580d1/ALTERNATES/w620/child_pa

That's just a daft claim. Fianna Fail destroyed the economic sovereignty of this country over the course of a decade.

The Greens gave people half-priced bikes and tried to stick up some wind farms.

theKillerBite

tayto lover wrote: »

Increase in carbon taxes caused the price of petrol and heating oil to rise considerably.

...and gas & electricity bills and thus everything else in the country making us more uncompetitve at a time were we were hemorrhaging jobs. They want to stall the growth of the country on the farce that is wind energy.

Their budget proposals include:

• a site tax (tax on agricultural land)
• increase in tax on agricultural diseal
• increase in capital taxes to 35% (a tax on savings and investments)
• increasing the carbon tax (a tax on everything)
• tax pension entitlements
• levy of €50 on the "Free" Travel Pass
• Cancel all road capital projects

RecordStraight

upyores wrote: »

Yup, FF were like an alcoholic driving a merc through rush hour traffic at speed, and the Greens were the passenger feeding them whiskey but claiming no responsibility for the consequences.

Your analogy rather falls down in that there were ten times more Fianna Failures in government than Greens. And the fact that nearly the whole cabinet and the Taioseach were Fianna Failure.

And that the Greens weren't giving any alcohol to anyone.

I wouldn't vote for them, but let's not try to blame the Greens for Fianna Failure bankrupting the country.

kneemos

Diego Simeone wrote: »

So stuff that they do in pretty much every other country in the world? Sure are crackpot ideas.

His want to cover the midlands with hideous wind turbines to supply the British with their
renewable quota.
Cracked as cracked thing.

Elmo

upyores wrote: »

Yup, FF were like an alcoholic driving a merc through rush hour traffic at speed, and the Greens were the passenger feeding them whiskey but claiming no responsibility for the consequences.

In fairness the PDs where feeding FF the champagne, the Green's were in the cycle lane. At least The Green's had the guts to fight an election. Many in FF and the PD suddenly decided to retire, or simply run as independents.

wp_rathead

upyores wrote: »

Yup, FF were like an alcoholic driving a merc through rush hour traffic at speed, and the Greens were the passenger feeding them whiskey but claiming no responsibility for the consequences.

FF were more the guy drinking and driving, pulls over and lets the Greens in passenger seat, hands them a can of dutch gold which the Greens chug as wanted to be in car for ages, FF continues on driving- sees the cops in rearview mirror, pull over- tell the Greens to get in the driver seat, Greens (being lightweights and drunk of 1 can) do what they told and when cops come they both arrested but FF get lighter sentence while Greens life ruined forever

fleet_admiral

Phoebas wrote: »

Eamon Ryan has a reasonable chance of an EU seat in Dublin.

That twat is responsible for the carbon tax (which increased on the 1st of this month, sadly hardly anyone noticed but will in October once they start using solid fuel again) so I hope he remains out of politics

wprathead

wprathead wrote: »

FF were more the guy drinking and driving, pulls over and lets the Greens in passenger seat, hands them a can of dutch gold which the Greens chug as wanted to be in car for ages, FF continues on driving- sees the cops in rearview mirror, pull over- tell the Greens to get in the driver seat, Greens (being lightweights and drunk of 1 can) do what they told and when cops come they both arrested but FF get lighter sentence while Greens life ruined forever

That is some beautiful political commentary right there. Vincent Browne, eat your heart out! :pac:

Phoebas

fleet_admiral wrote: »

That twat is responsible for the carbon tax (which increased on the 1st of this month, sadly hardly anyone noticed but will in October once they start using solid fuel again) so I hope he remains out of politics

The Green party were responsible for implementing green policies? That's a positive from a Green point of view.

Reformed Character

Elmo wrote: »

In fairness the PDs where feeding FF the champagne, the Green's were in the cycle lane. At least The Green's had the guts to fight an election. Many in FF and the PD suddenly decided to retire, or simply run as independents.

In fairness FF did not require the PDs to remain in power, all they required, was the continued support of the greens.
And let us not forget what those green wasters priorities were. As this country's economy slid down the pan, and the government sold us all into hock with the bank guarantee, the Green Party priority was passing a law on how often female canines could have pups!

sock puppet

theKillerBite wrote: »

Their budget proposals include:

a site tax (tax on agricultural land)

Recognised as one of the few "good" taxes a government can implement, since it encourages the productive use of land rather than leaving it idle. Land is unlike any other asset so it would seem natural to me that it be treated differently to other assets.

increase in capital taxes to 35% (a tax on savings and investments)

Why should capital gains be taxed at a lower rate than labour?

Most of the rest of their proposals are really just a matter of opinion as to whether you prioritise economic growth over environmental issues. Most people do but if someone votes for a Green party and is then surprised that they implement carbon taxes then they're an utter moron.

kneemos

Phoebas wrote: »

The Green party were responsible for implementing green policies? That's a positive from a Green point of view.

The savings in carbon emissions from a carbon tax in a country like Ireland is literally akin to a Grasshoppers fart in a hurricane.

Banjo String

Was it the greens that were responsible for the hikes in some of our motor tax prices?

Phoebas

Banjo String wrote: »

Was it the greens that were responsible for the hikes in some of our motor tax prices?

And big drops in others.

EyeSight

Phoebas wrote: »

The Green party were responsible for implementing green policies? That's a positive from a Green point of view.

But they implemented them in a very lazy way. Mostly by just adding new taxes

Phoebas

kneemos wrote: »

The savings in carbon emissions from a carbon tax in a country like Ireland is literally akin to a Grasshoppers fart in a hurricane.

True that, although we are liable to large fines from the EU if we don't hit our targets, so there is a bigger picture than just the emissions themselves.

Anyway, regardless of how you view their policies, the successful implementation of their own policies is just them successfully delivering to the voters who put them in power.