guards now able to strike/form trade union

twinytwo

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

umop.episdn

Gardai are more than entitled to form a trade union, it will also allow them to become a police force of the people & not the enforcers of the current ruling party

smcgiff

twinytwo wrote: »

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

We need Robocop.

daveohdave

Yeah, representation sucks. We should ban all group gatherings too. And books, burn the lot of them!

Shady Tady

twinytwo wrote: »

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

I've a funny feeling a lot of the rights you have as a worker that you take for granted came from others who had to form a union to get them and had to listen to people like you along the way!

downonthefarm

If this means the force is more transparent and open to scrutiny then good for them.

bumper234

twinytwo wrote: »

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

They should just get on with the job and shut up right? **** em they don't need representation right? :rolleyes:

Cee-Jay-Cee

If it means the government can't impose their rulings on them with out consulting With them first then proper order. They are only getting what every other working person already has. About time.

Amirani

umop.episdn wrote: »

Gardai are more than entitled to form a trade union, it will also allow them to become a police force of the people & not the enforcers of the current ruling party

Whatever about them forming a union of some sort, surely there's some serious issues with them being allowed to strike?

FrStone

twinytwo wrote: »

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

Hahahahaha!

Also when can we get rid of that pesky right to free speech?

On a serious note, this is great news for the Gardai and for the average worker. However, why are The Journal only reporting it today? I thought the ECJ ruled earlier in the week that the Gardai were entitled to join in pay talks etc...

Banjo String

I just put a few of these on done deal this am too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzm9UG93ttE

gifted

The army will be next..."hey soldier, hop up there and defend your country" " eh don't think so bud, union steward says it's after 6, double time?"...

Shady Tady

gifted wrote: »

The army will be next..."hey soldier, hop up there and defend your country" " eh don't think so bud, union steward says it's after 6, double time?"...

Pay him a decent wage and that problem won't arise, simple

Amirani

Shady Tady wrote: »

Pay him a decent wage and that problem won't arise, simple

"Decent" is highly subjective.

Frosty McSnowballs

gifted wrote: »

The army will be next..."hey soldier, hop up there and defend your country" " eh don't think so bud, union steward says it's after 6, double time?"...

That will never happen.

upstairs for coffee

They will be able to lobby against proposed laws and be in a stronger position to do so. That can't be good. Also erroneous compensation claims will increase.

Great.

MRnotlob606

twinytwo wrote: »

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

Is that you Mussolini ?

umop.episdn

Diego Simeone wrote: »

"Decent" is highly subjective.

Recruits start off at less than minimum wage. There's a reason Irish soldiers do UN tours in the Leb & Kosovo & its not for the local cuisine

Paulzx

twinytwo wrote: »

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. .

The amount of times this nonsensical, rhetorical sentence has been stated on Boards over the last few years is mind blowing. Yet, nobody ever says what they actually mean.

WTF does "smash" the unions mean?

Or are you just another parroter of repetative nonsense as well?

Bongalongherb

twinytwo wrote: »

Serious implications for the country with this one.

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed. This is another group that will just hold the country to ransom.

Why is there no vote-down button ? I'll vote this comment down under, crazy talk.

suicide_circus

i was wondering what Ireland was missing, then it clicked...more public sector unions, that's the ticket!

bumper234

suicide_circus wrote: »

i was wondering what Ireland was missing, then it clicked...more public sector unions, that's the ticket!

So you think that the Guards should not have representation?

mickydoomsux

I love how the same people who are constantly saying the populace should take to the streets over every tiny tax increase or minor cut in services are the same people who think that the public sector shouldn't have any representation and should basically shut up and take whatever **** comes their way.

suicide_circus

bumper234 wrote: »

So you think that the Guards should not have representation?

what? like the GRA and AGSI?

gifted

Shady Tady wrote: »

Pay him a decent wage and that problem won't arise, simple

when he/her retires at 38 after his/her 21 years he can enjoy counting the pension they will get for life..:D

Shady Tady

gifted wrote: »

when he/her retires at 38 after his/her 21 years he can enjoy counting the pension they will get for life..:D

It will be easily counted

tayto lover

Great to see the GRA and AGSI getting teeth and being in a position to fight back against the Govt cuts and agendas. What they need now is a Brendan Ogle type leader.

Lenin Skynard

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Whatever about them forming a union of some sort, surely there's some serious issues with them being allowed to strike?

They already strike, they just don't officially call it a strike.

Shady Tady

Lenin Skynard wrote: »

They already strike, they just don't officially call it a strike.

Did one of them take your bottle of buckfast last night?

Lenin Skynard

Shady Tady wrote: »

Did one of them take your bottle of buckfast last night?

What

foggy_lad

gifted wrote: »

when he/her retires at 38 after his/her 21 years he can enjoy counting the pension they will get for life..:D

No pension worth mentioning unless they are officers and high rank.

Guy:Incognito

Shady Tady wrote: »

Pay him a decent wage and that problem won't arise, simple

Or maybe they could outline what the wages are before the guy applies for the job................

umop.episdn wrote: »

Recruits start off at less than minimum wage.

So do lots of other jobs. First year rates for trades all hover either side of €200 a week.

Cienciano

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I love how the same people who are constantly saying the populace should take to the streets over every tiny tax increase or minor cut in services are the same people who think that the public sector shouldn't have any representation and should basically shut up and take whatever **** comes their way.

Some people seem to think if you're a public servant you should become some sort of slave to the people. You're owned by the public

Son Of A Vidic

twinytwo wrote: »

Personally I think all public service unions should be smashed.

Another Beer Hall Putsch?

umop.episdn

[quote="Guy:Incognito;90427504"


So do lots of other jobs. First year rates for trades all hover either side of €200 a week.[/quote]

Irrelevant

Guy:Incognito

umop.episdn wrote: »

Irrelevant

How. 2 jobs, both with training periods involving low pay.

New recruits are not unique when it comes to starting on little money. Other jobs even involve periods of no pay at all while interning.

umop.episdn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How. 2 jobs, both with training periods involving low pay.

New recruits are not unique when it comes to starting on little money. Other jobs even involve periods of no pay at all while interning.

Equally irrelevant

Guy:Incognito

umop.episdn wrote: »

Equally irrelevant

Is that all your going to say or are you going to explain why?

umop.episdn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is that all your going to say or are you going to explain why?

Thread has nothing to do with carpenters

Guy:Incognito

umop.episdn wrote: »

Thread has nothing to do with carpenters

Why because it counters the "woe is me, im a poor put upon recruit" sympathy argument?

Its a job. A job with advertised pay rates. Nobody is going in blind.

umop.episdn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why because it counters the "woe is me, im a poor put upon recruit" sympathy argument?

No, because it's whataboutery

Hotale.com

gifted wrote: »

The army will be next..."hey soldier, hop up there and defend your country" " eh don't think so bud, union steward says it's after 6, double time?"...

If you act like that you shouldn't be in the army.

Guy:Incognito

umop.episdn wrote: »

No, because it's whataboutery

Are they lured in with lies about how much they will be paid each week?

fran17

i say that if there is any way that people can come together to form a grouping or alliance that will strengthen there hand in opposing and fighting governments then do it.including the garda

umop.episdn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are they lured in with lies about how much they will be paid each week?

Existing members have had their pay cut by up to 20%, so yes, lies have been told

beardy_murphy

umop.episdn wrote: »

Gardai are more than entitled to form a trade union, it will also allow them to become a police force of the people & not the enforcers of the current ruling party

yes , thats what their goal is here

mikeym

I never hear any bitching from the cops in Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Is Ireland the first country in the world were the cops have a union????


This is going to be a disaster in the future if the Gardai go on strike the scumbags will have a free for all.

Guy:Incognito

fran17 wrote: »

i say that if there is any way that people can come together to form a grouping or alliance that will strengthen there hand in opposing and fighting governments then do it.including the garda

It's all well and good till the unions have them hyped up about deserving big pay rises and voting on strike action leaving the country lawless for days/weeks.

You only have to look at the way they are going on in other industries trying to push wages up. Unsustainable wages for 6 months then years of unemployment leaves you in a much worse situation. Unions in most industries had their day, when people were being properly oppressed . At this stage they are lining their own pockets. Head up to the top floors of Liberty Hall and have a look at how the poor men of the people struggle to get by while representing their fellow little man.

beardy_murphy

tayto lover wrote: »

Great to see the GRA and AGSI getting teeth and being in a position to fight back against the Govt cuts and agendas. What they need now is a Brendan Ogle type leader.

yes ,a self proclaimed socilist who insists on each ESB worker he represents earning an average of 75 k per year or double the industrial wage

umop.episdn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's all well and good till the unions have them hyped up about deserving big pay rises and voting on strike action leaving the country lawless for days/weeks.

You only have to look at the way they are going on in other industries trying to push wages up. Unsustainable wages for 6 months then years of unemployment leaves you in a much worse situation. Unions in most industries had their day, when people were being properly oppressed . At this stage they are lining their own pockets. Head up to the top floors of Liberty Hall and have a look at how the poor men of the people struggle to get by while representing their fellow little man.

But what about the carpenters?

Guy:Incognito

umop.episdn wrote: »

Existing members have had their pay cut by up to 20%, so yes, lies have been told

Are you giving up on the plight of the new recruits and moving on now?

Well then everyone has been lied to because wages are down all over the place. Such is life during recessions. Governments and companies cant afford to pay the same as when there was a lot more money coming in. Pay cuts and/or redundancies follow.