Bloody emigrants

Kermit.de.frog

They are taking our jobs and our women and forcing up property prices!


From emigrant to immigrant: the Irish are coming home


The recovering jobs market has led to many emigrants returning to a better life in this country. But it may be causing a rise in property prices.

You'd think the brave souls that stayed, like me self, would have first pickings when the unemployment rate is 11.8% but apparently not (honestly who "emigrates" for 2 years anyway!?).

On a serious note I do wonder could this become a source of genuine resentment in the years ahead for those who stayed?

Mr. Incognito

From the Articles own figures 120,000 have returned since 2008.

That's 6 years. 20,000 a year.

Emigration is running at 90,000 a year. 100,000 a year, from a population of less than 4 million.

That's 2.5%-3% of the population leaving, every year.

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

Also, I think you meant bloody immigrants. Emigrant- leaving, immigrant -arriving.

longhalloween

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

That'll be all that's left.

The Backwards Man

Fcuk me, but what passes for journalism these days is nothing short of pish. Do they just regurgitate stories every five to ten years or what? So people have been returning to the country to take up jobs in a recovering economy, since before the bailout?

Pity some journalists wouldn't return.

Mr. Incognito

longhalloween wrote: »

That'll be all that's left.

Sure that's what we started with.

Kermit.de.frog

No, I meant emigrants. With the economy recovering and jobs growth of 3% per year there is a genuine concern that emigrants returning will get these jobs and thus the dent in actual unemployment will be limited.

Kermit.de.frog

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

From the Articles own figures 120,000 have returned since 2008.

That's 6 years. 20,000 a year.

Emigration is running at 90,000 a year. 100,000 a year, from a population of less than 4 million.

That's 2.5%-3% of the population leaving, every year.

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

Also, I think you meant bloody immigrants. Emigrant- leaving, immigrant -arriving.

A few inaccuracies here in some of your figures incidentally. Population for one, net migration for 2 and no mention of immigration whether Irish or not. The population dynamic is certainly not as dire as you allude to there. Just sayin.

And it's likely improving again now. Anecdotally there is more action in the economy now from construction to retail to FDI than there was a year a go.

major bill

TBF there is a worry that when the Construction Industry kicks off again and it is happening that we will have a shortage of qualified QS's, Engineers etc cos they are all in England,Canada or Australia...the people coming home to take these jobs will be the ones with the qualifications to do them.

For Forks Sake

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Fcuk me, but what passes for journalism these days is nothing short of pish. Do they just regurgitate stories every five to ten years or what? So people have been returning to the country to take up jobs in a recovering economy, since before the bailout?

Pity some journalists wouldn't return.

If Alison O'Riordan shows up again, it's on your head

Mr. Incognito

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A few inaccuracies here in some of your figures incidentally. Population for one, net migration for 2 and no mention of immigration whether Irish or not. The population dynamic is certainly not as dire as you allude to there. Just sayin.

And it's likely improving again now. Anecdotally there is more action in the economy now from construction to retail to FDI than there was a year a go.

Hold on,

You post an article. I post the figures from that article. You question figures.

Go figure.

Kermit.de.frog

major bill wrote: »

TBF there is a worry that when the Construction Industry kicks off again and it is happening that we will have a shortage of qualified QS's, Engineers etc cos they are all in England,Canada or Australia...the people coming home to take these jobs will be the ones with the qualifications to do them.

Precisely my point.

If they get jobs fair play to them. Another part of me says though that they fecked off when it got tough and it's us who stayed (I could have left like many others) to try and make a go of things at home that has pulled this place back from the abyss and we have put up with real financial and other pain.

So it would be easy to see why people would feel a little resentful if swarms of recent emigrants start returning and yet the unemployment figures remain high.

Antar Bolaeisk

major bill wrote: »

TBF there is a worry that when the Construction Industry kicks off again and it is happening that we will have a shortage of qualified QS's, Engineers etc cos they are all in England,Canada or Australia...the people coming home to take these jobs will be the ones with the qualifications to do them.

They'll also have had experience working abroad which apparently makes one more appealing to a prospective employer.

Kermit.de.frog

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Hold on,

You post an article. I post the figures from that article. You question figures.

Go figure.

Population is around 4.65m I think. It's an indo article remember :P

Guy:Incognito

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

From the Articles own figures 120,000 have returned since 2008.

That's 6 years. 20,000 a year.

Emigration is running at 90,000 a year. 100,000 a year, from a population of less than 4 million.

That's 2.5%-3% of the population leaving, every year.

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

Also, I think you meant bloody immigrants. Emigrant- leaving, immigrant -arriving.

How many of those that leave each year are on a J1, or floating around Europe or Australia for a year travelling, which would have happened anyway?

Antar Bolaeisk

Stupid question, how do they know when someone leaves the country to live/work abroad?

Richard Hillman

The jobs, women and property prices are nothing compared to the "When I was in OZ" statement that is repeated every 5 minutes.

zuhuraswa

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The jobs, women and property prices are nothing compared to the "When I was in OZ" statement that is repeated every 5 minutes.

Lol so true....and it does me in!!!!

Guy:Incognito

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The jobs, women and property prices are nothing compared to the "When I was in OZ" statement that is repeated every 5 minutes.

They all suddenly become the biggest political and social commentators about the affairs of Ireland while away too. Lads who never posted on facebook about anything other than going out and football now have newsfeeds full of their latest opinion on what the government is at and how disgraceful taxes are.

Kermit.de.frog

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They all suddenly become the biggest political and social commentators about the affairs of Ireland while away too. Lads who never posted on facebook about anything other than going out and football now have newsfeeds full of their latest opinion on what the government is at and how disgraceful taxes are.

They did not and will not contribute to the recovery which will enable them to be the first to take full advantage. Why would we take tax advice from people who have taken a decision to leave anyway?

Instead of protesting or engaging in politics or whatever they upped and left.

theteal

I'm not seeing this resentment thing. There were no jobs. People with any gumption got off their arse and went where the jobs were, got experience and bettered themselves. Those that didn't go stayed with mammy, drew the welfare and stagnated (massive generalisations on both sides). On a normal planet surely any resentment should be towards the layabout and not vice versa?

padd b1975

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

No, I meant emigrants. With the economy recovering and jobs growth of 3% per year there is a genuine concern that emigrants returning will get these jobs and thus the dent in actual unemployment will be limited.

I would like to think the best candidate would get the job, I'm pretty sure that's what any recruiter worth their salt will be trying to do.

Mahogany

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

From the Articles own figures 120,000 have returned since 2008.

That's 6 years. 20,000 a year.

Emigration is running at 90,000 a year. 100,000 a year, from a population of less than 4 million.

That's 2.5%-3% of the population leaving, every year.

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

Also, I think you meant bloody immigrants. Emigrant- leaving, immigrant -arriving.

Population is growing, not receding, my friend.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

From the Articles own figures 120,000 have returned since 2008.

That's 6 years. 20,000 a year.

Emigration is running at 90,000 a year. 100,000 a year, from a population of less than 4 million.

That's 2.5%-3% of the population leaving, every year.

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

Also, I think you meant bloody immigrants. Emigrant- leaving, immigrant -arriving.

The Irish population is still growing as a total number through our somewhat high (relative to other first world countries) fertility rate.

Immigration over the last couple of years has been 52,000 and 55,000.
Emigration over the last couple of years has been 87,000 and 89,000.

The figures aren't so bad overall.

Cookie_Monster

Honestly why would you return now after leaving 2-5 years ago, short memories. The country is still in tatters and there's only the merest hints of improvements, hardly full blown Celtic Tiger Mk2.

dirtyden

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They did not and will not contribute to the recovery which will enable them to be the first to take full advantage. Why would we take tax advice from people who have taken a decision to leave anyway?

Instead of protesting or engaging in politics or whatever they upped and left.

What a silly thing to be upset about.

Do you spend all your time looking for innocuous things to get all riled up about?

As long as I have been about (30 odd years give or take) young people have tried out a few years somewhere else and then returned home. I cant for the life of me see why anyone in their right mind could find this upsetting.

clevtrev

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

From the Articles own figures 120,000 have returned since 2008.

That's 6 years. 20,000 a year.

Emigration is running at 90,000 a year. 100,000 a year, from a population of less than 4 million.

That's 2.5%-3% of the population leaving, every year.

I dont think there will be anyone left to be resentful at this rate.

Also, I think you meant bloody immigrants. Emigrant- leaving, immigrant -arriving.

Less than 4 million?! Its closer to 5 million.

circadian

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Precisely my point.

If they get jobs fair play to them. Another part of me says though that they fecked off when it got tough and it's us who stayed (I could have left like many others) to try and make a go of things at home that has pulled this place back from the abyss and we have put up with real financial and other pain.

So it would be easy to see why people would feel a little resentful if swarms of recent emigrants start returning and yet the unemployment figures remain high.

Why did you stay if you had the opportunity to leave?

Doesn't it make sense that those returning with different experiences would bring a beneficial dynamic to the workforce?

Is the resentment placed more on the fact that some people went off, got work and enjoyed doing something different for a while whilst those who stayed 'have put up with real financial and other pain'?

There are also many trials and tribulations from emigrating to try and start a new life for yourself. It's not easy and it's something you've completely ignored.

D1stant

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Precisely my point.

If they get jobs fair play to them. Another part of me says though that they fecked off when it got tough and it's us who stayed (I could have left like many others) to try and make a go of things at home that has pulled this place back from the abyss and we have put up with real financial and other pain.

So it would be easy to see why people would feel a little resentful if swarms of recent emigrants start returning and yet the unemployment figures remain high.

That's a very small-minded attitude. The job market does not reward national loyalty. But did you really stay in Ireland because you wanted to pull it back from the abyss? Or was it something else.... like maybe you did not lose your job, you had family ties, you were the wrong age etc

Because in my book a kid emigrating when the economy is fcuked and returning back again when it starts to improve, bringing back a wider perspective and skills is just smart on their behalf and good for the country

Welcome back to all who return. As for the jobs - may the best man/woman win - as it always was and will be.

shruikan2553

Its not like every who stayed did so to do their part and help rebuild the motherland for glorious leader. They either were happy enough to stay, couldnt leave due to commitments here or they just couldnt be assed.

Boggley

Leaving the country rather than living on Social Welfare.....

Having to pay income tax on rental income of a property they can no longer afford to live in....

Supplementing their rental income to cover the cost of their mortgage with wages they have earned abroad rather than going into default....

Bringing cash earned abroad back into the country on their return......

Sending cash home to family members to put back into the economy.........

Some people were left with very little choice other than to leave the country to try and stay afloat. Some of these people are also suffering largely because they are away from the families, friends, homes and life isn't always greener on the other side

A Dub in Glasgo

Feck me, this is actually a serious thread from the OP!!