WWE Payback 2014 PPV Pre Show & Live thread *Spoilers*

JP Liz V1

Expect rematches from Extreme Rules

P_1

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Expect rematches from Extreme Rules photoshops of shovels

:P

Ape Lincoln

P_1 wrote: »

:P

Pics or gtfo

Shield vs Evo II is booked afaik, is Cena vs Bray Wyatt also? There were hints of other matches last night such as Adam Rose vs Swagger.

JP Liz V1

Ape Lincoln wrote: »

Pics or gtfo

Shield vs Evo II is booked afaik, is Cena vs Bray Wyatt also? There were hints of other matches last night such as Adam Rose vs Swagger.

SD

John Cena accepted Bray Wyatt’s challenge for a Last Man Standing match at Payback

Lithium93_

Anyone know if Payback will be on Sky Sports or will it be on Sky Box Office??

JP Liz V1

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Anyone know if Payback will be on Sky Sports or will it be on Sky Box Office??

Source


Payback Sunday, June 1 (1am) Sky Sports

Ape Lincoln

Does anyone else think with Bryan out, the crowd will dump on anything that sucks even more than if he had been there?

CastorTroy

At least this time it's not creative's decision to not have Bryan, unlike Royal Rumble, etc.

Loughc

With Bryan out now's the time for punk to seamlessly walk back into the title picture. /end dream

gnfnrhead

Loughc wrote: »

With Bryan out now's the time for punk to seamlessly walk back into the title picture. /end dream

And send an awful message to the rest of the locker-room. Unhappy? Go home and sulk and we'll reward you!

sky88

The 6 man tag evoulution vs the shield maybe becomes for the title if bryan is out

Loughc

gnfnrhead wrote: »

And send an awful message to the rest of the locker-room. Unhappy? Go home and sulk and we'll reward you!

I know. I was slapping on the sarcasm cream with that post. Interesting thought if Bryan is out and evolution are tied up who should they put the title on?

CastorTroy

JTG? Since Cole does seem to like shouting "From outta nowhere" so he could say it for JTG even making an appearance.

gnfnrhead

Loughc wrote: »

I know. I was slapping on the sarcasm cream with that post. Interesting thought if Bryan is out and evolution are tied up who should they put the title on?

Doesnt have to be done at the PPV. Outside of Evolution there is always Cena, even Big Show or Kane would do for a short reign. Think Batista is the only one who isnt an option due to him leaving again.

A Primal Nut

Wouldn't mind seeing Kane getting a proper run with the main title before he retires (he only ever held it for a day). It makes sense giving how they've booked him so strong lately; and then when Bryan comes back he has to get revenge on Kane anyway; so he can win the title back in the process.

As Meltzer said, even if this PPV isn't great it won't have much affect on subscriptions and with the tv deal just signed, they could cope with a drop in ratings.

Rjd2

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing Kane getting a proper run with the main title before he retires (he only ever held it for a day). It makes sense giving how they've booked him so strong lately; and then when Bryan comes back he has to get revenge on Kane anyway; so he can win the title back in the process.

As Meltzer said, even if this PPV isn't great it won't have much affect on subscriptions and with the tv deal just signed, they could cope with a drop in ratings.

They gave Kane a run with the World Heavyweight Title a few years on Smackdown, it was without doubt the worst thing ever. No need to do that again.

Ridley

Rjd2 wrote: »

They gave Kane a run with the World Heavyweight Title a few years on Smackdown, it was without doubt the worst thing ever. No need to do that again.

For me, Khali was the worst thing ever followed by Batista always getting titles shots just 'cause. I liked Kane's run until the Edge fued...

JP Liz V1

Rjd2 wrote: »

They gave Kane a run with the World Heavyweight Title a few years on Smackdown, it was without doubt the worst thing ever. No need to do that again.

Kane would be better than Batista or Orton as champ imo for the time being

CSF

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing Kane getting a proper run with the main title before he retires (he only ever held it for a day). It makes sense giving how they've booked him so strong lately; and then when Bryan comes back he has to get revenge on Kane anyway; so he can win the title back in the process.

As Meltzer said, even if this PPV isn't great it won't have much affect on subscriptions and with the tv deal just signed, they could cope with a drop in ratings.

Are you actually serious

Rjd2

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Kane would be better than Batista or Orton as champ imo for the time being

He wouldn't be better than Batista who could be a fantastic brief heel champ if he was to channel what made him so good before he left.

Better than Orton? Maybe, as Orton is so stale and it wouldn't be to fresh if he was to be champ again, but at least he would put on some good matches.

**** it give it to Brock, numbers are meh, at the moment, and have some fun, and in 3 months you have a possible great match with a returning Bryan.

I'd even argue giving it to Trips would be better than Kane as that actually would make sense as it fits into the authority storyline.

Just not another Kane reign, its 2014 for **** sake. :pac:

CSF

There aren't many options Kane is a better option than. At least if you went with Hornswoggle you could make a midget title and unify the 2 belts.

There you have it.

Hornswoggle > Kane

Rjd2

CSF wrote: »

There aren't many options Kane is a better option than. At least if you went with Hornswoggle you could make a midget title and unify the 2 belts.

There you have it.

Hornswoggle > Kane

I have enjoyed the Hornswoggle stuff with El Torrito more than The demon tbh.:P

CSF

Rjd2 wrote: »

I have enjoyed the Hornswoggle stuff with El Torrito more than The demon tbh.:P

Infinitely, at least that's meant to be laughed at.

A Primal Nut

Well what I meant was that they have already set themselves up for a Bryan-Kane feud when he returns so it may as well be for Bryan winning the belt back.

It's nothing to do with my own personal preference; just a case of what WWE have set themselves up for. Bryan stuck in a Kane feud where the title is not even involved after his big return would be a disaster for him.

CSF

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Well what I meant was that they have already set themselves up for a Bryan-Kane feud when he returns so it may as well be for Bryan winning the belt back.

It's nothing to do with my own personal preference; just a case of what WWE have set themselves up for. Bryan stuck in a Kane feud where the title is not even involved after his big return would be a disaster for him.

This is one of those rare times where the WWE conveniently and randomly forgetting about a feud would be a good thing.

Deadlie

I reckon HHH as champ could solve a lot of problems here. Take his view:

Bryan's out, and is clearly not up to living at an A+ level.
Kane, a dependable figure has gone off the deep end.
The Shield are running roughshod.
Hell, even Orton and Batista can't get it together.
Not to mention the beating the company just took, financially.

Steph pleads with Trips to steady the ship by being Champ. Its time for a strong leader. Its best for business.
HHH reluctantly agrees and organises a band of heels to protect the company through this hard time. Dependable ones. Barrett, the man who beat me he lot to be Intercontinental Champ. Sheamus, who took care of stripping the Shield of their last belt. Rusev who's decimating folk left, right and centre.

This gives Batista a reason to be pissed enough to leave.
This gives the shield new opponents to face in HHH'S new henchmen.
This also sets up the underdog return for Bryan.
It also cleans up the messy Kane scenario.

Probablty a load of hole, but its just my fantasy booking, anyway.

Ape Lincoln

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Well what I meant was that they have already set themselves up for a Bryan-Kane feud when he returns so it may as well be for Bryan winning the belt back.

It's nothing to do with my own personal preference; just a case of what WWE have set themselves up for. Bryan stuck in a Kane feud where the title is not even involved after his big return would be a disaster for him.

Kane would still have to wrestle someone in the meantime....

Dave Meltzer made a good point on a podcast that they may try to play Bryan's injury up as worse than it is to have him make the SuperCena comeback in 6weeks rather than 6months. I wouldn't mind if they forgot about Kane and gambled on hotshotting someone into the title picture for Bryan to wrestle upon return ie. a decent worker he'll have good matches with. But they're not going to forget about Kane since they shot that angle. Logical thing to do in the meantime I guess would be have Kane cut promos on Bryan and have a babyface friend of Bryan defend him in the meantime*.

*except Bryan has no friends as none of the faces came to his rescue when Kane was trying to kill him.

irs

Kane as champ would be logical enough and set up Bryan's return. The problem is that it would involve Kane as champ and the storyline itself is absolutely awful and should already be over.

CSF

Is it even a given that Bryan will be losing the title? There is definitely an element of both reality and WWE reality in this and it is difficult to say how much of which.

Batista is the man to hold onto the title in the meantime IMO if it comes to that.

Agent Coulson

P_1 wrote: »

:P

Rjd2

CSF wrote: »

Is it even a given that Bryan will be losing the title? .

From a storyline viewpoint, it would be strange that Trips and Steph would allow Bryan to hold the title when injured, it probably would garner Bryan more sympathy and would make his return even hotter when he comes back if they strip him off it.

FutureGuy

Put the belt on HHH till SS.

Easy.

JP Liz V1

Isn't Reigns Vs. HHH the plan for SS?

Rjd2

FutureGuy wrote: »

Put the belt on HHH till SS.

Easy.

It makes sense doesn't it? Trips is in charge and he has such a massive ego (kayfabe!) that he would do something like that and of course you can build towards Reign v Trips at Summerslam if Bryan is not ready to come back after that.

However with the numbers been so poor last week they may want to do a big tournament thingy or more likely try and get it back on Cena which is their default mode once they get bad business news.

Lithium93_

The Shield vs Evolution will be a No Holds Barred match.

CSF

I'm just not inclined to think they will strip Bryan of the title one week before a PPV when they had ample opportunity to do so 2 maybe 3 weeks previous when they could have built another title match.

I'm inclined to think that much like Cena, Bryan's interview isn't as bad as the WWE make out for dramatic effect and the WWE are clinging onto the hope that Bryan will be back in time for MITB.

A Primal Nut

Lithium93_ wrote: »

The Shield vs Evolution will be a No Holds Barred match.

Also an elimination match - surely set up for Ambrose and Rollins to get eliminated, and then Reigns comes back and eliminates all of Evolution.

I'm sure if they were taking the title of Bryan they'd have done it last night and started building for the title match on Payback. Given what Stephanie said, it looks like Bryan will continue to be at Raw every week so once Payback is over he can start promoting the MITB match. So it's not like they have their world champion off tv for very long.

JP Liz V1

Lithium93_ wrote: »

The Shield vs Evolution will be a No Holds Barred match.

PPV main event surely


I hope the Cena/Wyatt feud ends at this ppv

Iang87

I'd like to see the wyatts take cena or something from this event and turn him with them. Even if it only plays put for a week or so it might be something other than cena laughing and mocking bray one week and telling everyone he's scared the next week

Lithium93_

Photoshopped Payback poster

Blue_Dabadee

I do sense The Shield losing at Payback and thus breaking up the stable. The breakup will lead onto Roman Reigns feuding with Triple H.

I don't see any reason to keep The Shield together after this match at Payback.

Alicia Fox just seems like a filler opponent for Paige since AJ is away getting married to CM Punk. But I am glad Divas Division has had a bit of life recently rather than "Total Diva vs. Normal Diva" crap that we have gotten in recent months.

I am glad that the mid-card titles mean something again but I hope that they unify the titles soon.

I really hope Bad News Barrett comes out to CM Punk's music and does his usually bad news sctick.

I think they're going to strip Daniel Bryan.

I am interested to see what reaction Adam Rose will get at PPV.

Overall, I am looking forward to this PPV and will stay up to watch it since it is on Sky Sports.

JP Liz V1

So if Bryan don't surrender the title, Brie is fired - Brie should let herself get fired and tell Bryan keep his title

CSF

mxph3 wrote: »

I do sense The Shield losing at Payback and thus breaking up the stable. The breakup will lead onto Roman Reigns feuding with Triple H.

I don't see any reason to keep The Shield together after this match at Payback.

Alicia Fox just seems like a filler opponent for Paige since AJ is away getting married to CM Punk. But I am glad Divas Division has had a bit of life recently rather than "Total Diva vs. Normal Diva" crap that we have gotten in recent months.

I am glad that the mid-card titles mean something again but I hope that they unify the titles soon.

I really hope Bad News Barrett comes out to CM Punk's music and does his usually bad news sctick.

I think they're going to strip Daniel Bryan.

I am interested to see what reaction Adam Rose will get at PPV.

Overall, I am looking forward to this PPV and will stay up to watch it since it is on Sky Sports.

They've the dropped the ball if they break up the Shield now. Aside from all the merch possibilities of a face Shield stable, Roman Reigns is still the background guy who is yet to conduct a promo bar a few dull words at the end of something by Ambrose or Rollins.

His time in the Shield is the perfect opportunity to develop that before being thrown into the wild to fend for himself. If he isn't able to carry a feud now, Rollins and especially Ambrose can more than compensate. If he isn't able to do it later he will crash and burn.

Cesaro's personality development under Heyman is a good example of it being done well.

CSF

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if Bryan don't surrender the title, Brie is fired - Brie should let herself get fired and tell Bryan keep his title

All the signs point to him not surrendering the title even though all logic says that he has to if he's out medium-term with injury.

Unless they've something spectacular planned, this is going to be a trainwreck.

'Ive decided to give up the title rather than see my wife fired'

Oh ok then, you kinda wasted our time caring about you these last few months then.

'I've decided I'm keeping my title but I'm not defending it for 4 months'

Doesn't exactly work either.

Only storyline genius or Bryan's injury not really being THAT bad can prevent the whole thing from descending into farce.

If the injury is gonna keep him out then they should have had him give it up on the first promo rather than this Brie/Steph/Kane turd of a storyline with seemingly no logical conclusion.

A Primal Nut

The worst built-up Pay per view for a long time. No title match, the two main events are repeats from the last PPV with no storyline development or reason to care for a rematch. The RAWs were all bad. They could have used Bryan's injury for some kind of major angle; instead it just drags onto the point nobody really cares.

Meltzer made the point that everyone pre-WrestleMania is signed up for six months they no longer need to care about these PPVs. Not a good idea given that the American providers have mostly just decided to stop broadcasting PPVs so this is a good opportunity to bump up subscribers. Not to mention you don't want to piss off existing ones.

That said; some of the individual matches have potential to be great so the show itself could be a nice surprise.

jaykhunter

What major angle would you book for the world title?

Iang87

jaykhunter wrote: »

What major angle would you book for the world title?

Bring back Punk and gift him the title in a squash match and have him working for the authority

A Primal Nut

I was expecting to see Rose v Swagger at this PPV; smackdown

but apparently Rose defeated Swagger clean on Smackdown.

Bounty Hunter

jaykhunter wrote: »

What major angle would you book for the world title?

At the stage they have gotten too, Im not expecting much to salvage it for Payback so...

`Steph & Bryan segment where he looks like he is going to do the right thing with his wifes job on the line until Brie comes out and stops him. Steph reminds her that Brie can't put her hands on Steph as a WWE employee and that if Bryan doesen't hand over the title she will be fired.

After this it clicks in Brie's head and she quits and immediately and attacks Steph. Eventually this leads to Steph vs Brie at SS which nobody really wants even though i'd like to see Steph wrestle again. This can be to get Brie her job back and can replace the total Divas segments on the show (say she can still be around as she is contracted to that show or something) and she can have segments with the cast of that show backing her up vs the Diva boss.

Meanwhile on Raw they decide that there will not be another PPV without a World title match and book Bryan vs HHH the rematch for MITB (I hope that the Shield vs The Evolution will be over by then and the Shield boys can go in the MITB match)

I've heard the SS heatwave tour has advertised a HHH vs Bryan match so perhaps he will be back before they are suggesting

Bryan isn't back to 100% but "defies the doctors" in another "he's got no chance", "HHH will squash him" WWE promoted match but he gets through it cos Roman Reigns who got screwed by Evolution in some way in the MITB match comes out and Spears HHH who groggily gets up for a running knee and a Bryan 3 count. boom Bryan still has the gold while still being the anti-authority fellah that he is and before he moves onto a Batista or whoever at SS (not sure how long Batista is supposed to go for after Payback) while also setting up Reigns vs HHH

okay enough random fantasy WWE booking for now :pac:

Bounty Hunter

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I was expecting to see Rose v Swagger at this PPV; smackdown

but apparently Rose defeated Swagger clean on Smackdown.

WTF, considering how SD is generally treated as a Raw practice run at times i'm really surprised a match they have been building on Raw (not that I care too much about the match tbh) was given away on SD. Wouldn't be shocked if we get it again on the PPV anyway though and as said that was a practice run.

Ape Lincoln

jaykhunter wrote: »

What major angle would you book for the world title?

I think a fair comparison is the period of late Sept/Oct-Nov 1998. Austin had been champion since Mania with McMahon trying to get the belt off of him. They managed to get by then for two months with no champion and afaik Austin wasn't wrestling.

It's a total clusterf*ck though as Bryan has been booked to look like a total spa since Summerslam save for the win at Mania. Also he evidently has no kayfabe friends to stick up for him so there's noone he has an association with who could stand up for him and wrestle against the Authority's henchmen/Kane.

Unless they take a risk with someone like Cesaro then the only option I think there is would be for Triple H to take the belt and Bryan wins it back in July if he's unable to wrestle until then.