Omagh election candidate - I'd recriminalize homosexuality

Ten of Swords

Susan-Anne White, running as an Independent for local election in Omagh on May 22nd said she would recriminalize homosexuality if given the chance at a recent debate.

My campaign will be run along the lines of ten bible-based principles and among them will be that we need to keep safe from the destructive homosexual agenda

It is important for us to stand up and say that a lifestyle is wrong if it is in contravention of bible teaching

She is also anti gay marriage, anti gay blood donors, pro capital punishment and anti islam.

She mentions she has been distributing leaflets outlining her manifesto in her area, I can't find an example of one online, if anyone in West Tyrone would be willing to upload one I'd love to read it.

Pink News

Ulster Herald

Not sure I'd be optimistic of her chances of getting elected.

baby and crumble

She sounds lovely. And well informed, even I can't get a copy of the homosexual agenda and I have really exhausted all avenues at this point.

Genegirl83

You'd think, right? I'm sure you're right but there's no country so silly with religious freedoms (bigotry) as Northern Ireland. Speaking as a Northerner.
Clearly racist and homophobic although I'm sure she'd describe herself as merely a "concerned Christian" who doesn't hate the "sinner" just the "sin". Yawn.
Ironically, not pro-life what with her anti-blood donation stance and belief in capital punishment. Although again... I'm sure she's up the front row for pro-life seminars.
People like her bore me.

The homosexual agenda is on my fridge but it mostly involves grocery shopping and appointments.

eviltwin

Christian in name only by all accounts

tster

If she doesn't believe in any lifestyle in contravention of the bible, she should really not be standing in an election given that the bible says no woman shall have authority over a man.

hotmail.com

In the South we have the Christian Solidarity Party - a complete bunch of headbangers.

PopePalpatine

Wow, I'm surprised she hasn't joined the TUV. Perhaps they're too soft for her?

BTW, I wonder what she'd make of this biblical principle.

Aard

People like her consistently entertain me.

J_E

If she's not careful I'll recruit her... :pac:

(she only means the men by that statement of course...because anal sex is yucky. It's always about the sex.)

periodictable

Another closet case.

baby and crumble

Cydoniac wrote: »

If she's not careful I'll recruit her... :pac:

(she only means the men by that statement of course...because anal sex is yucky. It's always about the sex.)

And gay girls never have anal sex...

bodice ripper

enjoy her blog

http://thetruthshallsetyoufreeblog.wordpress.com/

eviltwin

bodice ripper wrote: »

enjoy her blog

http://thetruthshallsetyoufreeblog.wordpress.com/

Just reading some of the comments on that page :eek:

readyletsgo

bodice ripper wrote: »

enjoy her blog

http://thetruthshallsetyoufreeblog.wordpress.com/

OMG, what a total **** of a god fearing woman. :mad:

Ten of Swords

Belfast Telegraph Interview

Society has fallen to such a low level that most people wouldn't even bat an eyelid at two men or two women walking hand in hand in the street.

This, more than any of her other batѕhit crazy rambling, this quote in particular makes my blood boil. :mad:

The efforts and sacrifices it has taken to get society even this far are enormous yet she thinks this is all retrograde and vulgar.

GSF

You have to admire her bile producing abilities. Never a day goes by but sheis outraged about something or other. If she doesn't calm down soon she will give herself a stroke!

Ambersky

I really really hope she is the first or maybe even the only person who feels comfortable enough at this time to publicly put forward such views in order to gain votes from people who feel the same as her.
In many areas of Europe, in countries much like ours, such views along with anti immigration, anti semitism and rampant nationalism have taken quite a hold.
Yes the movement towards change in Ireland has been towards a liberalism in attitudes but it is exactly when minority groups get comfortable and start to take the gains won for granted that there is a backlash. Im just nervous about it and I find it hard to relax and take anything for granted. From looking at history I see how things go in cycles, repeatedly and people always seem to think their present moment is different and even simple things like a housing boom/bust wont repeat itself.
Im shocked at how comfortable some people I know are now about expressing racist views, views which I wouldnt hear expressed too long ago and as we know racism isnt too far a jump from homophobia when looking for scapegoats and whos to blame for society and the economy going to pot. Hope Im just being overly cautious about this but f**k it I find it hard to dismiss stuff like this it frightens me because many of the elements needed for the rise of fascism are there.

Ten of Swords

Tyrone Constitution (article about the debate where the comments were made)

The event was called 'Focus on Politics' and allowed the public to put questions to the election hopefuls. The 8 candidates, and their positions on same sex marriage according as per the debate, are;

Eric Bullick (Alliance) - Supports equality in same-sex marriage
Adele Crawford (DUP) - The DUP does not support same sex marriage
Joanne Donnell (SDLP) - Supports equality in same-sex marriage
Gabrielle McAleer (Independent) - Supports equality in same-sex marriage
Sorcha McAnespy (Sinn Fein) - Supports equality in same-sex marriage
Ciaran McClean (Green Party) - Personally supports same-sex marriage, will lobby his party exec to pass the motion
Chris Smyth (UUP) - Opposes the same-sex marriage motion in it's current form
Susan-Anne White (Independent) - see below,

Responding to the question over supporting a motion to allow gay people the right to marry, Mrs White replied that the question itself 'smacks of totalitarianism', adding "I would recriminalise homosexuality."

After being told by the floor that they were 'saddened' by the candidate's attitude, she retorted "I make no apology and I retract nothing'.

3 out of 8 candidates are opposed to same-sex marriage and 1 on the fence it seems. That is a bad state of affairs.

lidllady

Can we please stop all the christian-bashing that is going on in this forum recently. If she judges us harshly does that really give us the right to do the same? Discrimination and harsh judgement of others is in direct conflict with teaching of Jesus so what she is doing should be clearly wrong in her own eyes. Religion is sometimes used as an excuse to showcase these views and yes this form of scapegoating needs to be discouraged but there is absolutely no need to send the anger back. This only compounds the misunderstanding between different communities.

Hopefully someday she will look back on her statements about homosexuality with feelings of embarrassment. However, bashing and name-calling from the LGBT community are just going to be counter-productive and possibly reaffirm her views!

PopePalpatine

I wouldn't call it "Christian-bashing", I'd call it "fighting back".

bodice ripper

lidllady wrote: »

Can we please stop all the christian-bashing that is going on in this forum recently. If she judges us harshly does that really give us the right to do the same? Discrimination and harsh judgement of others is in direct conflict with teaching of Jesus so what she is doing should be clearly wrong in her own eyes. Religion is sometimes used as an excuse to showcase these views and yes this form of scapegoating needs to be discouraged but there is absolutely no need to send the anger back. This only compounds the misunderstanding between different communities.

Hopefully someday she will look back on her statements about homosexuality with feelings of embarrassment. However, bashing and name-calling from the LGBT community are just going to be counter-productive and possibly reaffirm her views!

But I am not a christian, so I can judge all I like, and the womans views are laughable.

eviltwin

lidllady wrote: »

Can we please stop all the christian-bashing that is going on in this forum recently. If she judges us harshly does that really give us the right to do the same? Discrimination and harsh judgement of others is in direct conflict with teaching of Jesus so what she is doing should be clearly wrong in her own eyes. Religion is sometimes used as an excuse to showcase these views and yes this form of scapegoating needs to be discouraged but there is absolutely no need to send the anger back. This only compounds the misunderstanding between different communities.

Hopefully someday she will look back on her statements about homosexuality with feelings of embarrassment. However, bashing and name-calling from the LGBT community are just going to be counter-productive and possibly reaffirm her views!

I don't judge her, I don't think she's a terrible person but I do feel sorry for her that she has such a fear/hatred/lack of understanding about the gay community that she would actually want to make them criminals. I'd love to spend some time with someone like her and get to know what makes her tick and maybe educate her a bit because she badly needs it.

But I do think its highly ironic that a woman who follows the teachings of Christianity is so quick to judge others, you only have to look at her comments on her blog to see that she has a very low opinion of anyone who doesn't conform to her narrow view of the world.

Aard

lidllady wrote: »

If she judges us harshly does that really give us the right to do the same?

Yes?

Ten of Swords

Aard beat me to it! Yes, she should be judged harshly for her remarks for the simple fact that she is seeking a public office and with it a certain level of power and authority over others. Considering her views marginalise a good few of her potential constituants I think it is not only fair but important to highlight these remarks and challenge how her views would affect her actions if she were elected.

Also, the only one bringing up christianity and the bible is her.

Annasopra

lidllady wrote: »

Can we please stop all the christian-bashing that is going on in this forum recently. If she judges us harshly does that really give us the right to do the same? Discrimination and harsh judgement of others is in direct conflict with teaching of Jesus so what she is doing should be clearly wrong in her own eyes. Religion is sometimes used as an excuse to showcase these views and yes this form of scapegoating needs to be discouraged but there is absolutely no need to send the anger back. This only compounds the misunderstanding between different communities.

Hopefully someday she will look back on her statements about homosexuality with feelings of embarrassment. However, bashing and name-calling from the LGBT community are just going to be counter-productive and possibly reaffirm her views!

Report any such posts and the moderators will review them!

Annasopra

Ambersky wrote: »

I really really hope she is the first or maybe even the only person who feels comfortable enough at this time to publicly put forward such views in order to gain votes from people who feel the same as her.
In many areas of Europe, in countries much like ours, such views along with anti immigration, anti semitism and rampant nationalism have taken quite a hold.
Yes the movement towards change in Ireland has been towards a liberalism in attitudes but it is exactly when minority groups get comfortable and start to take the gains won for granted that there is a backlash. Im just nervous about it and I find it hard to relax and take anything for granted. From looking at history I see how things go in cycles, repeatedly and people always seem to think their present moment is different and even simple things like a housing boom/bust wont repeat itself.
Im shocked at how comfortable some people I know are now about expressing racist views, views which I wouldnt hear expressed too long ago and as we know racism isnt too far a jump from homophobia when looking for scapegoats and whos to blame for society and the economy going to pot. Hope Im just being overly cautious about this but f**k it I find it hard to dismiss stuff like this it frightens me because many of the elements needed for the rise of fascism are there.

Agreed. I think in Ireland extreme racist views (apart from anti traveller stuff) has been marginalised. UKIP, BNP, Front Nationale, True Finns, Jobbik, Sweden Democrats are all on the rise across Europe but thankfully the far right in Ireland is not taking a strong hold.

Having said that though there has been a number of incidences in this election
Racism in relation to travellers from 3 FG candidates, an extreme racist candidate in Monaghan, Racism against a candidate in Monaghan, Racism against a candidate in Dublin, Homophobia against a candidate in Kilkenny.

Ten of Swords

Controversial independent Susan Anne White, who spoke of a campaign directed against the “destructive homosexual agenda”, polled just 67 votes.

Asked about her future in politics the 55-year-old mother-of-one told the News Letter she was interested in setting up a party and said she believes the “majority of people in Northern Ireland will agree with our views but many of them are afraid to say so”.

:rolleyes:

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bodice ripper

**** you, susan.

eviltwin

Ten of Swords wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Article

If so many people agree with her why didn't they vote for her? Its not like people would know who you vote for or anything, its confidential. She is disgusting.

Ambersky

I am delighted that there was so little support in Northern Ireland for such right wing views but I am frightened by the huge gains won by far right or fascist parties across Europe particularly in France. These are the people we have seen rioting over gay marriage some with skin head nazi attire, remember.

I know we dont have much of a history of far right support but Irish society is also very different now than it has been in its history and I think there is a leadership void as well as an anger and dissatisfaction that could be ground for some kind of nationalist charasmatic conservative answer to all our problems that would hate us along with foreigners feminists intellectuals and others hell bent on destroying and organised society. F**k Im scared, maybe a bit ahead of my time and maybe for no reason at all. Someone tell me its all going to be all right.

Aard

This may be a gross simplification of matters but, at least when it comes to the case of France, a large element of the rise of the Front National is due to tensions between the French and immigrants. France has a notoriously equal society in theory, however this tends to manifest itself in ugly ways. FN do best in Paris and in the South, both where there is significant immigration and particularly from North Africa. I won't go on, but you can easily join the dots. In Ireland, we are lucky in a sense that we have a fairly homogenous society. As a result we've never had a particularly radical left or right, with all parties forming a gloop near the centre. Even our so-called leftist parties (PBP, Socialists) don't really have any defining leftist policy ideas that would realistically stand up if they were to have more power. I think it will be a good while before we see levels of extremism seen in other countries.

PopePalpatine

I think the rise of FN in France in the last few years could be down to voter dissatisfaction with "established" parties, if this BBC article is to be believed. You have to wonder, why not vote for someone other than FN as a protest vote?

Ambersky

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Ambersky

I think all the economic reasoning about the far right is exactly what Im afraid of. I dont think I really have a handle on it but its my understanding that thats how fascism starts with it all being reasonable. Remember the reasonable arguments recently about how nobody was homophobic. Thats how fascism can start too perfectly reasonably not against anyone but for growth, for us all to stick together and get out of the **** we are in and get back to a better time when we were stronger, had more pride and a sense of identity and got rid of those who have caused this economic and social collapse.
Thats whats being said now.

You know the way people have been talking about the importance of us looking at how all discriminations are interconnected so that we dont just look at one issue in isolation I think all that idea is probably even more important now.
I think it is important for LGBT people to recognise how fascism grows, how it starts, what kind of things happen in order for it to take some foothold.
I dont really understand how it works but a lot of whats going on politically seems to me to be foundations for a rise in fascism from my limited understanding and like I say I may be over anxious about this I dont know . Ireland has had a fairly homogenous society up to now as Aard says and some of us have paid the price of not fitting into that sense of what Irish people should be like already.
Fascists are working now on economic issues and they may be blaming immigrants, the EU etc for the moment, and we may find some of that understandable, but we really really need to understand that we LGBT people are also on their list of who to blame for destroying the economic and the moral basis of the society they are working towards. Weve seen this in the anti gay marriage protests and riots in France where they were marching to support "traditional values" thats where we fit in they think we erode the moral fabric of society with non traditional values. We need to learn to argue against the arguments not just against us but the other groups they are against too before they get to us, I think.

My fears are kind of influenced by the novel The Wave and the German 2008 movie Die Welle. I cant find a full english version of this online to post here,just this clip of the last part but thats scary enough.
Id imagine many of you are familiar with it or the book, I think it is studied in some schools now. Anyway the wave is kind of about how fascism is easy to perpetuate given the right conditions, with people searching for a purpose, something to believe in and be a part of and lead by someone who has the answers. Being part of a successful group on the rise like that, can make it difficult to say you dont believe in everything the group believes in without seeming like a traitor. Thats when really nasty things can happen when people who feel part of the group, the nation, us not them, feel they cant or wont speak out against the things happening to those who are blamed or who go against the groups ideals. Maybe a little paranoia ahead of time, even if it never happens is no harm. The arguments in the clip below are frighteningly similar to some of the political arguments at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAbEaFiKYi4

Jayop

Aaaand she's back...

http://ulsterherald.com/2017/02/09/video-controversial-candidate-back-ballot/

Mrs White once again stated her belief that children are being “brainwashed, manipulated and recruited to the homosexual lifestyle by the LGBT agenda”.

Asked if she was concerned over the offence her views may cause and the potential breach of hate crime legislation, the candidate described herself as “a truth teller”.

“People need to hear the truth, the truth hurts sometimes. But the truth must be told.

“I do not fear man,” she added. “I do not fear hate crime laws. They will not silence me, I will continue to speak the truth, I will continue to uphold biblical values, should I be the only one left espousing such values.”

She's just lovely.Her manifesto includes....

Banning Rock music
Criminalising adultery and homosexuality
Banning feminism

Frighteningly she managed 165 votes in 2015.

robyntmorton

Children are being recruited to the homosexual lifestyle, eh?

Maybe she should try the trans lifestyle. That's where the danger lies. We should get the kids into the trans way of life, and brainwash them with feminist messages too.

(Please note: The above post is written in a satirical and sarcastic way. Sure, we all know (well most normal people know) it's not a lifestyle.)

Jayop

I'm embarrassed to be from the same county as her and there's some right whoppers in Tyrone but she's the rightest.

Well it's nice to know that she's against animal cruelty, that's one plus at least! :pac:
And "banning feminism" is probably a vote winner in certain circles, depressingly. 67 in 2014 to 165 in 2015...clearly this trend means that she will reach quadruple figures this time around!!

“They are afraid of being accused of hate speech or hate crime, but I’m convinced many people believe exactly as I believe and feel as I feel.

“They want someone like me to articulate what they are afraid to say, and I’m more than happy to speak out and speak up.”

She's convinced that many people want someone like her, despite these "many" not voting for her in three previous elections (via anonymous balloting that requires no speaking out)? Ok then...... #AlternativeFacts

Ten of Swords

[Deleted User] wrote: »

67 in 2014 to 165 in 2015...clearly this trend means that she will reach quadruple figures this time around!!

She only managed 85 in 2016 so no exponential trend thankfully. The YouTube video in the Ulster Herald article that was linked a few posts back is hilarious yet scary in equal measure.

According to her blog she thinks the DUP are 'godless' and too soft.

Annasopra

Leave her at it.

SILVAMAN

Is she a closet case? Those that protest too much usually have something to hide.
According to her Wiki page "she's in danger from gay people".
Sweetheart, with a face like that you have no worries.

JupiterKid

An ignorant, bigoted individual. I feel sorry for her.

Rob G

Cromwell reincarnated.

Would that be God who said love your neighbour as yourself and judge not that ye be not judged she feels the need to stand up for?

eviltwin

Her manifesto is so negative, ban this,punish that.....nothing positive or good. I feel very sorry for her, a happy and contented person wouldn't have that kind of attitude. She must be a very fearful and paranoid woman to feel under attack by liberalisation.

lottpaul

Ten of Swords wrote: »

She only managed 85 in 2016 so no exponential trend thankfully.

Down to 41 this time -- which is both good and sad. Great that the electors of West Tyrone are not swayed by her particular view of the world -- and somehow sad that there are even 40 who are.... I'm presuming she voted for herself!

Jayop

lottpaul wrote: »

Down to 41 this time -- which is both good and sad. Great that the electors of West Tyrone are not swayed by her particular view of the world -- and somehow sad that there are even 40 who are.... I'm presuming she voted for herself!

It's a great result to have someone with those views stand and be so completely rejected. One of the highlights of the day for me.

I presume that her family and friends and maybe a few mistakes accounted for her votes.

Ten of Swords

lottpaul wrote: »

Down to 41 this time -- which is both good and sad. Great that the electors of West Tyrone are not swayed by her particular view of the world -- and somehow sad that there are even 40 who are.... I'm presuming she voted for herself!

Deleted User wrote: »

165 in 2015

I get what you mean but I prefer to think it means that 124 people got the help they needed over the last 2 years. Silver lining and all that... :pac:

This does make me wonder what Roger Lomas did to actually do worse than her, he got 27 votes. I know he is pro-hunting but to do that badly he must have REALLY fecked up his campaign

http://elections.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ni-assembly-2017/west-tyrone

L.Jenkins

baby and crumble wrote: »

...even I can't get a copy of the homosexual agenda and I have really exhausted all avenues at this point.

Can't believe you missed that meeting :P

road_high

lottpaul wrote: »

Down to 41 this time -- which is both good and sad. Great that the electors of West Tyrone are not swayed by her particular view of the world -- and somehow sad that there are even 40 who are.... I'm presuming she voted for herself!

40 would hardly constitute direct and extended family members plus a few neighbours/friends so even they didn't vote for her...40 is a relative drop in the ocean and an utter failure (she would have garnered more publicity than the average no-hoper as well).

Ash.J.Williams

road_high wrote: »

40 would hardly constitute direct and extended family members plus a few neighbours/friends so even they didn't vote for her...40 is a relative drop in the ocean and an utter failure (she would have garnered more publicity than the average no-hoper as well).

I doubt family would vote for a bigot out of loyalty

Ten of Swords

Her most recent blog post (March 5th) shows she's not taking it very well!