Piercing course

topcatcbr

http://www.donedeal.ie/businessopportunities-for-sale/body-piercing-course/6106723

I'd be interested in what professional pierces here think of this course.

Seems unlikely you'd get a job from it. But it might be interesting.

osaurus

Sounds like a gigantic waste of time and money.

raze_them_all_

lol certificate given on completion?? I could print you up one righ now and it'd be just as well respected. Utter scam

topcatcbr

I was thinking the same.

Snake

If they're an actual professional, then it's fair enough... But piercing training takes years.. So if it was a position for apprentice and not a course then if believe it

January

The piercer in Pins N Needles is offering something similar... just cements my decision to never ever go there for a piercing or tattoo.

Penny Tration

January wrote: »

The piercer in Pins N Needles is offering something similar... just cements my decision to never ever go there for a piercing or tattoo.

Don't. I'm going to be paying a fcuking fortune to fix the awful tattoo they did on my arm.

Hellrazer

Honestly--How hard is it to stick a needle in someone???

My daughter who started working one day a week in a piercing place for TY has graduated to doing fairly technical peircings--most ear piercings,facials,nipples,navels ect..And that's in 6 months of one day a week so 24 full days.

I reckon you could probably pick up a lot in one of these intensive courses if it was a month or so long.

However you still need to be practicising piercing actual people in a safe and hygienic way to become completely competent as a piercer.

<<<<whoo hoo 7000 post!!!!

osaurus

Hellrazer wrote: »

Honestly--How hard is it to stick a needle in someone???

My daughter who started working one day a week in a piercing place for TY has graduated to doing fairly technical peircings--most ear piercings,facials,nipples,navels ect..And that's in 6 months of one day a week so 24 full days.

I reckon you could probably pick up a lot in one of these intensive courses if it was a month or so long.

However you still need to be practicising piercing actual people in a safe and hygienic way to become completely competent as a piercer.

<<<<whoo hoo 7000 post!!!!

To be a phlebotomist takes 2 days... it's not rocket science and think it's a bit glorified by some. There's a lot of 'chancers' offering these courses, looking to take money from eager younger folk. Seen it myself few years back.

An apprenticeship is the only way. Practice, practice, practice. Even then the chances of landing a job afterwards is slim as there are butt loads of piercers in Dublin at the moment.

Snake

Hellrazer wrote: »

Honestly--How hard is it to stick a needle in someone???

My daughter who started working one day a week in a piercing place for TY has graduated to doing fairly technical peircings--most ear piercings,facials,nipples,navels ect..And that's in 6 months of one day a week so 24 full days.

I reckon you could probably pick up a lot in one of these intensive courses if it was a month or so long.

However you still need to be practicising piercing actual people in a safe and hygienic way to become completely competent as a piercer.

<<<<whoo hoo 7000 post!!!!

Piercing isn't "sticking a needle" in someone's ear or face or body.. It's a lot harder than it sounds, and you need a careful and steady hand.. A piercing can go crooked, and when it heals be painful to remove (for cleaning etc) if you don't clean or sterilise the jewellery right you can give the person an infection.. If you pierce a blood vessel they can bleed.. Not that bad but if you freak out they freak and that causes blood pressure to spike and they'll bleed more.. You have to deal with people who are nervous and jumpy, and shaky, which is difficult.. In theory it's sticking a needle but practically it's not that easy

topcatcbr

GrayFox208 wrote: »

Piercing isn't "sticking a needle" in someone's ear or face or body.

Funny. That's exactly what I thought it is.

Seriously tho it's not rocket science or brain surgery.

Snake

topcatcbr wrote: »

Funny. That's exactly what I thought it is.

Seriously tho it's not rocket science or brain surgery.

Put it this way then, it's not all it is. No, but it's not something anyone with two hands can do either. It takes a lot of training and practice, not a course for 2 weeks, or a kit for 50 quid off eBay with free needles and a booklet

dharma200

Actually piercing anything is a piece of p I s, it is literally taking a cannula and making a hole in something other thana vein.......However using universal precautions and best practise takes time to learn. How this is not regulated is beyond me.....
Atleast someone who goes for this is better than the self taught variety of piercer....

topcatcbr

dharma200 wrote: »

Actually piercing anything is a piece of p I s, it is literally taking a cannula and making a hole in something other thana vein.......However using universal precautions and best practise takes time to learn. How this is not regulated is beyond me.....
Atleast someone who goes for this is better than the self taught variety of piercer....

I agree. I think some make it out like its surgery. It's not.

In reality junkies use needles and pierce themselves daily.

I think the most important thing to learn is the hygiene aspect.

I have no intention of doing this course as I think it's a bit of a scam. I've no intention of getting employment as a piercer. I was curious as to what people think of this type of course.

Cupcake_Crisis

Hellrazer wrote: »

Honestly--How hard is it to stick a needle in someone???

My daughter who started working one day a week in a piercing place for TY has graduated to doing fairly technical peircings--most ear piercings,facials,nipples,navels ect..And that's in 6 months of one day a week so 24 full days.

I reckon you could probably pick up a lot in one of these intensive courses if it was a month or so long.

However you still need to be practicising piercing actual people in a safe and hygienic way to become completely competent as a piercer.

<<<<whoo hoo 7000 post!!!!

Much harder than you think. If was that easy , we'd all be setting up makeshift studios in our kitchens for the sake of a few easy bucks. Personally, if I found out my piercer had been actively piercing for 1 day a week over 6 months I'd be out of there so fast I'd leave a dust trail. And whatever studio is letting you daughter pierce nipples, especially female nipples, is not a studio worth trusting.

topcatcbr

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Much harder than you think. If was that easy , we'd all be setting up makeshift studios in our kitchens for the sake of a few easy bucks. Personally, if I found out my piercer had been actively piercing for 1 day a week over 6 months I'd be out of there so fast I'd leave a dust trail. And whatever studio is letting you daughter pierce nipples, especially female nipples, is not a studio worth trusting.

I'd be interested in how you think your piercer's learned their profession.

Star Lord

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Personally, if I found out my piercer had been actively piercing for 1 day a week over 6 months I'd be out of there so fast I'd leave a dust trail. And whatever studio is letting you daughter pierce nipples, especially female nipples, is not a studio worth trusting.

Really? I'm pretty sure that anyone being pierced by her would have made it clear to them that it was an apprentice, and the process was most likely guided by the piercer.

How dare a piercing apprentice learn piercing by piercing people!

Cupcake_Crisis

topcatcbr wrote: »

I'd be interested in how you think your piercer's learned their profession.

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Really? I'm pretty sure that anyone being pierced by her would have made it clear to them that it was an apprentice, and the process was most likely guided by the piercer.

How dare a piercing apprentice learn piercing by piercing people!

He never mentioned anything about supervision. And IMO, after 24 spaced out days she shouldn't be piercing anyone. I'd have no problem being pierced by an apprentice who had been working at it daily and absorbing information.

Star Lord

Then you could say "No thanks, I'd rather not have the apprentice", and the proper piercer would pierce you...

topcatcbr

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

He never mentioned anything about supervision. And IMO, after 24 spaced out days she shouldn't be piercing anyone. I'd have no problem being pierced by an apprentice who had been working at it daily and absorbing information.

how many days do you think it should take before someone gets to pierce another.

personally I think a week is more than enough. I'd imagine the first few would be volunteers and get it done free.

I think if it was done wrong then it's a simple matter of removing the ring and letting it heal.

raze_them_all_

No offence to Hellrazers daughter, but if i seen the piercer her age who can't get her own nipples pierced off piercing other peoples I'd advise everyone to avoid the shop like the plague

topcatcbr

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

No offence to Hellrazers daughter, but if i seen the piercer her age who can't get her own nipples pierced off piercing other peoples I'd advise everyone to avoid the shop like the plague

Fair point. I agree you should at least be able to get the procedure to do it. If for no other reason than to be able to understand what the recipient is going through.

Cupcake_Crisis

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Then you could say "No thanks, I'd rather not have the apprentice", and the proper piercer would pierce you...

I'd seriously question any shop that would let someone so inexperienced do complicated piercings. I'd rather just take my business elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, I know people have to learn, but there's much more to piercing than just 'sticking a needle in someone' and I highly doubt it could be picked up in 24 spaced out days.

Princess Peach

topcatcbr wrote: »

Fair point. I agree you should at least be able to get the procedure to do it. If for no other reason than to be able to understand what the recipient is going through.

16 year old girls shouldn't be getting that piercing for developmental reasons, in fairness nobody under the age of about 22 should be getting nipples pierced anyway but I don't know of anywhere that won't pierce you over 18. I don't think its a pre-requisite for a piercer to have gotten every piercing they are giving for better understanding to do a better job People in many professions study how to do procedures without any experience of receiving them.

I don't think it's a big issue. If someone is mature and confident, picks up the work easily and is well supervised I wouldn't have a problem regarding age.

raze_them_all_

Princess Peach wrote: »

16 year old girls shouldn't be getting that piercing for developmental reasons, in fairness nobody under the age of about 22 should be getting nipples pierced anyway but I don't know of anywhere that won't pierce you over 18. I don't think its a pre-requisite for a piercer to have gotten every piercing they are giving for better understanding to do a better job People in many professions study how to do procedures without any experience of receiving them.

I don't think it's a big issue. If someone is mature and confident, picks up the work easily and is well supervised I wouldn't have a problem regarding age.

Seriously she is still legally a child and should not be piercing people. I can honestly not see how this is even up for debate

Princess Peach

No legislation regulating it in Ireland though!

Just giving my opinion, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If she needs a guinea pig I have plenty of non holey body parts

Star Lord

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

I'd seriously question any shop that would let someone so inexperienced do complicated piercings. I'd rather just take my business elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, I know people have to learn, but there's much more to piercing than just 'sticking a needle in someone' and I highly doubt it could be picked up in 24 spaced out days.

Not trying to be smart arsed here, but you worked in Claire's before, right? How much training did they give people before giving them a disgusting gun to rip up kids ears?

Cupcake_Crisis

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Not trying to be smart arsed here, but you worked in Claire's before, right? How much training did they give people before giving them a disgusting gun to rip up kids ears?

And if you read back over any post of mine regarding working in claires you'll see that I have nothing but bad words to say about them, how they train staff and how they pierce. I had no choice, I either pierced ears in a way I didn't like or I lost my job. There was nothing voluntary about it.

Princess Peach

My experience of working is that people have vastly different learning curves. What I picked up in a few weeks of my current job, people who have been here 7/8 months still can't grasp. I'm sure piercing, and any other job, is the same. Some people just take to it and pick up the skills much faster than others might have.

Age isn't a big deal to me and I'm sure her supervisor is confident in her ability and maturity to move her on to more advanced piercings.

Star Lord

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

And if you read back over any post of mine regarding working in claires you'll see that I have nothing but bad words to say about them, how they train staff and how they pierce. I had no choice, I either pierced ears in a way I didn't like or I lost my job. There was nothing voluntary about it.

Oh I know that, you detested the place, and that they made you do that!
24 days training to do piercings cleanly with a needle vs 5 minutes to be shown how to butcher a kids ear is more my point! I just meant you know what bad practice is from being forced to watch and take part in that!

topcatcbr

Princess Peach wrote: »

I don't think it's a big issue. If someone is mature and confident, picks up the work easily and is well supervised I wouldn't have a problem regarding age.

I agree 100% however I do think that they should be an adult especially when it comes to more intimate areas.

I wouldn't like my daughter working in an area where she's expected to touch other peoples intimate area's until she was legally independent and can make her own adult decisions.

I also would be uncomfortable having a legal minor touching me.

raze_them_all_

topcatcbr wrote: »

I agree 100% however I do think that they should be an adult especially when it comes to more intimate areas.

I wouldn't like my daughter working in an area where she's expected to touch other peoples intimate area's until she was legally independent and can make her own adult decisions.

I also would be uncomfortable having a legal minor touching me.

Yeah get your tits out there for the 16 year old to pierce you.


Legal bad area for everyone

Penny Tration

Ah here. While I'm not sure I agree with a 16 year old doing intimate piercings, this 'she's touching private parts' thing is bollocks. She's not touching them in a sexual manner, ffs. There's no legal issues.

Princess Peach

You seem to sexualizing the whole procedure there though.

raze_them_all_

green_screen wrote: »

Ah here. While I'm not sure I agree with a 16 year old doing intimate piercings, this 'she's touching private parts' thing is bollocks. She's not touching them in a sexual manner, ffs. There's no legal issues.

legally there is. Doesn't have to be sexual for it to be an issue.

Star Lord

Nobody mentioned her touching "intimate parts", there's a bit of diving off the deep end going on here folks! Nipple was mentioned, gender wasn't, and neither was genital piercing.

the_syco

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Personally, if I found out my piercer had been actively piercing for 1 day a week over 6 months I'd be out of there so fast I'd leave a dust trail.

I'd be interested in how many days you think someone should someone watch before they can pierce?

raze_them_all_

the_syco wrote: »

I'd be interested in how many days you think someone should someone watch before they can pierce?

1 day a week is not an apprenticeship. IF she was in 5 days a week for 6 months, no bothers! Watching how everything is done, absorbing information constantly, learning everything, once a week is not enough in my opinion.

topcatcbr

green_screen wrote: »

Ah here. While I'm not sure I agree with a 16 year old doing intimate piercings, this 'she's touching private parts' thing is bollocks. She's not touching them in a sexual manner, ffs. There's no legal issues.

Sexual or not I think you might find there could be all sorts of legal issues.

Cupcake_Crisis

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Oh I know that, you detested the place, and that they made you do that!
24 days training to do piercings cleanly with a needle vs 5 minutes to be shown how to butcher a kids ear is more my point! I just meant you know what bad practice is from being forced to watch and take part in that!

Even at that I was only ever piercing lobes, I did my best to discreetly turn people off cartilage piercings. You can't do too much permanent damage if you balls that up. Balls a nipple up and you could have serious consequences.

Claires piercing ears is complete horse crap, and shouldn't be allowed. But neither should Hellrazers situation imo.

Cupcake_Crisis

the_syco wrote: »

I'd be interested in how many days you think someone should someone watch before they can pierce?

As someone already said, the girl isn't working an apprenticeship! She's doing one day a week!

topcatcbr

Princess Peach wrote: »

You seem to sexualizing the whole procedure there though.

I'm not but I could imagine some scenarios where alleged abuse may be made. I'd just rather not take any chances.

topcatcbr

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

As someone already said, the girl isn't working an apprenticeship! She's doing one day a week!

can you show an officially recognized apprenticeship for piercing.

I highly doubt there is such a thing. There is hardly that much to learn compared with say a mechanic or electrician. Maybe as part of a beauticians training but not a stand alone skill.

Cupcake_Crisis

topcatcbr wrote: »

can you show an officially recognized apprenticeship for piercing.

I highly doubt there is such a thing. There is hardly that much to learn compared with say a mechanic or electrician. Maybe as part of a beauticians training but not a stand alone skill.

From my knowledge people spend quite a while in studio learning about anatomy, sterilization, placements, aftercare, hygiene. Not something you can learn proficiently in 24 days.

topcatcbr

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

From my knowledge people spend quite a while in studio learning about anatomy, sterilization, placements, aftercare, hygiene. Not something you can learn proficiently in 24 days.

Hardly an apprenticeship either.

I'm not saying it's not a skill. I'm not sure if it takes all that long to learn the basic principles enough to start to get practice on people.

Cupcake_Crisis

topcatcbr wrote: »

Hardly an apprenticeship either.

I'm not saying it's not a skill. I'm not sure if it takes all that long to learn the basic principles enough to start to get practice on people.

And as it has been said if it was 24 days in a much tighter time frame, and without the interruption of schoolwork it would be an entirely different story.

topcatcbr

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

And as it has been said if it was 24 days in a much tighter time frame, and without the interruption of schoolwork it would be an entirely different story.

Maybe.

I'm not sure. I'd be more concerned with the persons interest levels. Some might find time to study up between days in studio. I think it's being done as part of TY. While I think I'd be concerned about the age a little I can imagine it being a very productive way of doing TY. It could in fact be the ideal way to learn this craft.

Sinister Kid

topcatcbr wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/businessopportunities-for-sale/body-piercing-course/6106723

I'd be interested in what professional pierces here think of this course.

Seems unlikely you'd get a job from it. But it might be interesting.

I'd be interested to know how they plan on teaching this "course". If its only short term and not done from a shop where their would be a flow of customers, do they have a queue of guinea pigs willing to let somebody inexperienced practice on them? Or do they have to bring their own "model" like they do with the likes of nail/beauty courses...

topcatcbr

Sinister Kid wrote: »

I'd be interested to know how they plan on teaching this "course". If its only short term and not done from a shop where their would be a flow of customers, do they have a queue of guinea pigs willing to let somebody inexperienced practice on them? Or do they have to bring their own "model" like they do with the likes of nail/beauty courses...

I really have no idea. I saw it. And thought what would boardies think about the idea.

Hellrazer

Jesus I really have stirred a nice debate here.

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Really? I'm pretty sure that anyone being pierced by her would have made it clear to them that it was an apprentice, and the process was most likely guided by the piercer.

How dare a piercing apprentice learn piercing by piercing people!

It is guided and for what its worth some people have refused.To be honest she has probably only done one or two complicated piercings-the majority being lobes and noses.

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

He never mentioned anything about supervision. And IMO, after 24 spaced out days she shouldn't be piercing anyone. I'd have no problem being pierced by an apprentice who had been working at it daily and absorbing information.

Clarified now but cmon youre just being cynical shes hardly piercing without supervision.
FWIW she has been offered a full time apprenticeship to start in the summer.

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Then you could say "No thanks, I'd rather not have the apprentice", and the proper piercer would pierce you...

As happens most days especially with people who know their piercings.

Hellrazer

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

And as it has been said if it was 24 days in a much tighter time frame, and without the interruption of schoolwork it would be an entirely different story.

So in your opinion is 24 days in one of these courses any more or less valuable than 24 days spaced out.
My daughter eats/sleeps/dreams of piercings.When shes not in the shop she reads and watches all the apprenticeship training material that her mentor gives her.
She practices most days on a training dummy to get things right.

Her mentor wouldn't have let her near a human without having some confidence in her.He also wouldn't have offered her an apprenticeship at 16 if he wasn't confident in her.

We`re allowing her to take it up for the summer but come leaving cert year in September it will be back to one day a week and he understands that.