NCT backdated?

doctorneeded

I just purchased a car which hasn't had NCT for a while. I've got the ownership transfer documents, and stuck the car in for an NCT.

It finally passed today which I thought would give me a year of motoring, but the disc I was given (only spotted it 3 hours later haha) is only valid until September? Looking at the old disc, that is when the old one was gone.

Is there any way to appeal this, as I don't want the hassle again quite so soon! What's 4 months NCT worth?


Any advice?

corktina

that's the way it's done. Advice? you could have waited a month or so and done it 3 months early in which case you would have got 15 months NCT...too late now of course.

Guy:Incognito

The NCT runs to the registration date. It'll always be valid till sept of the year its due regardless of when its done.

wriordan

you can put it through again 3 months early at least you know it will pass.

doctorneeded

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

wriordan

I know the whole thing is a money racket.

Greenmachine

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

No point blaming the system. The process is transparent it is up to the users to understand it.

doctorneeded

wriordan wrote: »

I know the whole thing is a money racket.

Damn right!

<SNIP>

It's transparent? The NCT is to certify the roadworthiness of a car for a year on the road. Because it hadn't been done by the previous owner, they now magically think the previous months with out the NCT made it less reliable for the upcoming months?

It's a money making racket.

bazz26

doctorneeded wrote: »

I just purchased a car which hasn't had NCT for a while. I've got the ownership transfer documents, and stuck the car in for an NCT.

It finally passed today which I thought would give me a year of motoring, but the disc I was given (only spotted it 3 hours later haha) is only valid until September? Looking at the old disc, that is when the old one was gone.

Is there any way to appeal this, as I don't want the hassle again quite so soon! What's 4 months NCT worth?


Any advice?

Think about it. If it wasn't backdated then why would anyone bother NCTing it by or on the due date? This being Ireland, people just would not bother NCTing their car until they were selling it.

timmy4u2

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

Might be a stupid system but if you made some enquiries beforehand you would have saved yourself hassle and obtained a 15 month NCT.
Apply again and put it in asap once it is within the three months prior deadline.

corktina

it's that way to stop people leaving the NCT out of date and then applying 3 months later and getting a full year test, thus being rewarded for breaking the law. Unfortunately it catches out buyers of cars with no test....blame the seller not the system!

Guy:Incognito

doctorneeded wrote: »

It's a money making racket.

How? They havnt gained any money by this. They should have got €55 in relation to your car last your and €55 this year. They got the first €55 late and if youd waited an extra few weeks they wouldn't have gotten it at all and youd have a 15 month NCT.

They even put this information on the website. But sure who reads that.:rolleyes:

People should be NCT'ing their cars on time and it they stopped people taxing non nct'd cars itd sort it somewhat.

Alanstrainor

doctorneeded wrote: »

Damn right!

<SNIP>

It's transparent? The NCT is to certify the roadworthiness of a car for a year on the road. Because it hadn't been done by the previous owner, they now magically think the previous months with out the NCT made it less reliable for the upcoming months?

It's a money making racket.

Warning given. No need for that abuse.

wriordan

Its a money racket because its another hidden government tax. Less than 1% of accidents before the nct were because a car wasn't fit for the road and having an nct doesn't mean that a car is necessarily good mechanical condition just means the shocks, tyres, window wipers and tracking is good.

bazz26

These threads make me laugh.

People will blame everyone and anything but themselves and then call it a money racket. The NCT runs consecutively from the date of registration rather than calendar yea and it always has, so there is no conspiracy theory. If there was no penalty for a lapsed NCT then what would be the point in having a due date on it?

OP, if you need to blame anyone, then blame yourself for not looking into this before buying the car.

Guy:Incognito

wriordan wrote: »

Its a money racket because its another hidden government tax. Less than 1% of accidents before the nct were because a car wasn't fit for the road and having an nct doesn't mean that a car is necessarily good mechanical condition just means the shocks, tyres, window wipers and tracking is good.

In the 80's my uncle had a car. This car had a hole in the floor in the back. This hole came in handy, because a thick piece of timber could be slid through it and wedged again the axle. This kept the axle in the position it should be.So heading to work each day involved my dad sitting in the back holding the wood.

That car wouldn't pass an NCT.

bazz26

wriordan wrote: »

Its a money racket because its another hidden government tax. Less than 1% of accidents before the nct were because a car wasn't fit for the road and having an nct doesn't mean that a car is necessarily good mechanical condition just means the shocks, tyres, window wipers and tracking is good.

But the NCT is a roadworthiness test, not a mechanical worthiness test.

BTW I'm glad we have the NCT, at least it has taken a fair chunk of pieces of **** off the road.

wriordan

I never said it would all i said is that a car passing nct doesn't mean its in good mechanical condition. I know its a road worthiness test so they should at least check that the brake pads are good but they don't.

corktina

bazz26 wrote: »

These threads make me laugh.

People will blame everyone and anything but themselves and then call it a money racket. The NCT runs consecutively from the date of registration rather than calendar yea and it always has, so there is no conspiracy theory. If there was no penalty for a lapsed NCT then what would be the point in having a due date on it?

OP, if you need to blame anyone, then blame yourself for not looking into this before buying the car.

Just to add, you no doubt got the car a bit cheaper as it had no NCT, so you didn't lose out in reality...

bazz26

wriordan wrote: »

I never said it would all i said is that a car passing nct doesn't mean its in good mechanical condition. I know its a road worthiness test so they should at least check that the brake pads are good but they don't.

A car should be in good mechanical order whether it is due a NCT or not. These things should be checked when the car is serviced, not when it's due an NCT. For some people things like worn brakes and tyres are only addressed when the NCT highlighted them as that is the only time their car sees a service.

corktina

Brake pads work much the same whether they are new or wafer thin.... they check they work at the time of the test....any more than that would involve dismantling the cart and extra cost.....thickness should be checked out when servicing the car

CiniO

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

It is a very stupid system indeed.
Test should be valid for 1 (or 2) years from date of test.
Having a due date based on 1st registration anniversary is pure nonsense which causes unnecessary complications and financial loss for genuine people like OP.

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

it's that way to stop people leaving the NCT out of date and then applying 3 months later and getting a full year test, thus being rewarded for breaking the law. Unfortunately it catches out buyers of cars with no test....blame the seller not the system!

System is here to be blamed.

It's very unfair and causes stupid complications...

Anyone should be able to do NCT anytime and have it valid for a year or two from then.

timmy4u2

wriordan wrote: »

I never said it would all i said is that a car passing nct doesn't mean its in good mechanical condition. I know its a road worthiness test so they should at least check that the brake pads are good but they don't.

CiniO wrote: »

It is a very stupid system indeed.
Test should be valid for 1 (or 2) years from date of test.
Having a due date based on 1st registration anniversary is pure nonsense which causes unnecessary complications and financial loss for genuine people like OP.

Whatever about the stupidity of it ignorance of the law pertaining to the legislation governing the NCT test requirements is no excuse in this instance.

The OP made an incorrect assumption that resulted in a short test and the need to test again within a short period of time.
It was not the system that cost him unnecessary complications and financial loss but rather his failure to appraise himself of the regulations.

wonski

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Whatever about the stupidity of it ignorance of the law pertaining to the legislation governing the NCT test requirements is no excuse in this instance.

The OP made an incorrect assumption that resulted in a short test and the need to test again within a short period of time.
It was not the system that cost him unnecessary complications and financial loss but rather his failure to appraise himself of the regulations.

The OP would have to pay 55 euro for 4 months test even if he knew how the system works. Waiting 1 month to do the test for 15 months is not always an option, and it isn't fair if you think about this.

It is stupid, in the ideal world where everyone tests their cars on time this would be a non-issue, but why do we penalize people who buy car without NCT and put it through? Doesn't make sense to me really.

Even worse when the previous owner missed the NCT test / retest - does the new owner pay the penalty for missing it as it is linked to the registration plate rather than the owner?

CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Whatever about the stupidity of it ignorance of the law pertaining to the legislation governing the NCT test requirements is no excuse in this instance.

The OP made an incorrect assumption that resulted in a short test and the need to test again within a short period of time.
It was not the system that cost him unnecessary complications and financial loss but rather his failure to appraise himself of the regulations.

OP didn't make any incorrect assumption?
He did the right thing - after purchasing not-NCTed vehicle he NCTed it as soon as possible. What else was he supposed to do? Wait and drive it not NCTed for a month just to be smarter than the system and avoid doing NCT twice in short time?

Law should allow for that - NCT should be valid for year or two from test date? Not anniversary of first registration - as this doesn't make any sense.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

Law should allow for that - NCT should be valid for year or two from test date? Not anniversary of first registration - as this doesn't make any sense.

It does, as long as people obey the rules and NCT their car. The OP knew he was buying a non NCT'd car so could have done research before even buying it. The previous owner should have had it NCT'd in any case.

Theres no need to post a long winded example of leaving the country with the car for longer than the NCT or anything btw.

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It does, as long as people obey the rules and NCT their car.

There is no rules to keep your NCT up to date at all times.
No law in Ireland (and probably anywhere else) forcing anyone to have car kept off-the-road with valid NCT test.
It's obvious that if car is off-the-road, there is no need for it to be NCTed. But then once you return it for road use, then you are punished with shorted NCT for no reason, unless you are lucky enough to have it off the road for 9 months, and then you can have NCT for nearly 15 months. Sorry but it doesn't make sense to me.

The OP knew he was buying a non NCT'd car so could have done research before even buying it.

Of course he could have done research.
But it wouldn't change anything.
He still would need to do NCT twice in period of 4 months. That doesn't make any sense and is totally not fair.

The previous owner should have had it NCT'd in any case.

Why should he have had it NCT in any case?
If car was off the road or broken, then why (and how) could he NCT it?

Theres no need to post a long winded example of leaving the country with the car for longer than the NCT or anything btw.

Why is there no reason? That's a perfect example to summarise the nonsenseness of this system.

You are planning abroad trip for 6 month.
Your NCT expires in 4 months.
You can't NCT your car before you go, and it will expire 4 months after you leave, making your car illegal to drive.
Nothing you can do to help it.

System is absolute crap and should be changed.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

There is no rules to keep your NCT up to date at all times.

Presumably the OP didn't test drive the car and trailered it home? Someone broke the law at some point in relation to the car.


Has there been any mention of the car being off the road? If its spent every monite since the NCT expired off the road and the OP got it to his house on a trailer then you might have a bit of a point.

The OP could have refused to buy it till it was NCT'd

We must have the highest percentage of cars off the road (yet taxed and insured) in Europe by some distance.:rolleyes:

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Presumably the OP didn't test drive the car and trailered it home? Someone broke the law at some point in relation to the car.


Has there been any mention of the car being off the road? If its spent every monite since the NCT expired off the road and the OP got it to his house on a trailer then you might have a bit of a point.


We must have the highest percentage of cars off the road (yet taxed and insured) in Europe by some distance.:rolleyes:

In normal system, if you are buying vehicle kept off-the-road without test you do as follows.

1. If car is roadworthy, after purchase you drive it straight to test centre and proceed with test.

2. If it isn't roadworthy, you tow it on trailer or towing truck to place it's getting repaired, and then bring it for a test.

In Ireland unfortunately it's impossible, as average waiting times for NCT booking is probably few months.
Funny how can they do it on the spot in other countries? Miracle?

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

OP didn't make any incorrect assumption?
He did the right thing - after purchasing not-NCTed vehicle he NCTed it as soon as possible. What else was he supposed to do? Wait and drive it not NCTed for a month just to be smarter than the system and avoid doing NCT twice in short time?

Law should allow for that - NCT should be valid for year or two from test date? Not anniversary of first registration - as this doesn't make any sense.

Of course he made an incorrect assumption. He assumed that he would get a years NCT and he was incorrect because he did not appraise himself of the regulations before he bought the car.
Its a statutory requirement and he could not have imagined that he could circumvent the requirements of the SI.
This thread is not about how stupid or otherwise one may think the law on the matter is, but how it can be applied to best advantage.
He knew the car did not have an NCT test when he bought it, he failed to appraise himself of the regulations and informed options open to him.
It is not as if the law changed after he bought the car and before he got a chance to NCT it