NCT backdated?

doctorneeded

I just purchased a car which hasn't had NCT for a while. I've got the ownership transfer documents, and stuck the car in for an NCT.

It finally passed today which I thought would give me a year of motoring, but the disc I was given (only spotted it 3 hours later haha) is only valid until September? Looking at the old disc, that is when the old one was gone.

Is there any way to appeal this, as I don't want the hassle again quite so soon! What's 4 months NCT worth?


Any advice?

corktina

that's the way it's done. Advice? you could have waited a month or so and done it 3 months early in which case you would have got 15 months NCT...too late now of course.

Guy:Incognito

The NCT runs to the registration date. It'll always be valid till sept of the year its due regardless of when its done.

wriordan

you can put it through again 3 months early at least you know it will pass.

doctorneeded

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

wriordan

I know the whole thing is a money racket.

Greenmachine

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

No point blaming the system. The process is transparent it is up to the users to understand it.

doctorneeded

wriordan wrote: »

I know the whole thing is a money racket.

Damn right!

<SNIP>

It's transparent? The NCT is to certify the roadworthiness of a car for a year on the road. Because it hadn't been done by the previous owner, they now magically think the previous months with out the NCT made it less reliable for the upcoming months?

It's a money making racket.

bazz26

doctorneeded wrote: »

I just purchased a car which hasn't had NCT for a while. I've got the ownership transfer documents, and stuck the car in for an NCT.

It finally passed today which I thought would give me a year of motoring, but the disc I was given (only spotted it 3 hours later haha) is only valid until September? Looking at the old disc, that is when the old one was gone.

Is there any way to appeal this, as I don't want the hassle again quite so soon! What's 4 months NCT worth?


Any advice?

Think about it. If it wasn't backdated then why would anyone bother NCTing it by or on the due date? This being Ireland, people just would not bother NCTing their car until they were selling it.

timmy4u2

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

Might be a stupid system but if you made some enquiries beforehand you would have saved yourself hassle and obtained a 15 month NCT.
Apply again and put it in asap once it is within the three months prior deadline.

corktina

it's that way to stop people leaving the NCT out of date and then applying 3 months later and getting a full year test, thus being rewarded for breaking the law. Unfortunately it catches out buyers of cars with no test....blame the seller not the system!

Guy:Incognito

doctorneeded wrote: »

It's a money making racket.

How? They havnt gained any money by this. They should have got €55 in relation to your car last your and €55 this year. They got the first €55 late and if youd waited an extra few weeks they wouldn't have gotten it at all and youd have a 15 month NCT.

They even put this information on the website. But sure who reads that.:rolleyes:

People should be NCT'ing their cars on time and it they stopped people taxing non nct'd cars itd sort it somewhat.

Alanstrainor

doctorneeded wrote: »

Damn right!

<SNIP>

It's transparent? The NCT is to certify the roadworthiness of a car for a year on the road. Because it hadn't been done by the previous owner, they now magically think the previous months with out the NCT made it less reliable for the upcoming months?

It's a money making racket.

Warning given. No need for that abuse.

wriordan

Its a money racket because its another hidden government tax. Less than 1% of accidents before the nct were because a car wasn't fit for the road and having an nct doesn't mean that a car is necessarily good mechanical condition just means the shocks, tyres, window wipers and tracking is good.

bazz26

These threads make me laugh.

People will blame everyone and anything but themselves and then call it a money racket. The NCT runs consecutively from the date of registration rather than calendar yea and it always has, so there is no conspiracy theory. If there was no penalty for a lapsed NCT then what would be the point in having a due date on it?

OP, if you need to blame anyone, then blame yourself for not looking into this before buying the car.

Guy:Incognito

wriordan wrote: »

Its a money racket because its another hidden government tax. Less than 1% of accidents before the nct were because a car wasn't fit for the road and having an nct doesn't mean that a car is necessarily good mechanical condition just means the shocks, tyres, window wipers and tracking is good.

In the 80's my uncle had a car. This car had a hole in the floor in the back. This hole came in handy, because a thick piece of timber could be slid through it and wedged again the axle. This kept the axle in the position it should be.So heading to work each day involved my dad sitting in the back holding the wood.

That car wouldn't pass an NCT.

bazz26

wriordan wrote: »

Its a money racket because its another hidden government tax. Less than 1% of accidents before the nct were because a car wasn't fit for the road and having an nct doesn't mean that a car is necessarily good mechanical condition just means the shocks, tyres, window wipers and tracking is good.

But the NCT is a roadworthiness test, not a mechanical worthiness test.

BTW I'm glad we have the NCT, at least it has taken a fair chunk of pieces of **** off the road.

wriordan

I never said it would all i said is that a car passing nct doesn't mean its in good mechanical condition. I know its a road worthiness test so they should at least check that the brake pads are good but they don't.

corktina

bazz26 wrote: »

These threads make me laugh.

People will blame everyone and anything but themselves and then call it a money racket. The NCT runs consecutively from the date of registration rather than calendar yea and it always has, so there is no conspiracy theory. If there was no penalty for a lapsed NCT then what would be the point in having a due date on it?

OP, if you need to blame anyone, then blame yourself for not looking into this before buying the car.

Just to add, you no doubt got the car a bit cheaper as it had no NCT, so you didn't lose out in reality...

bazz26

wriordan wrote: »

I never said it would all i said is that a car passing nct doesn't mean its in good mechanical condition. I know its a road worthiness test so they should at least check that the brake pads are good but they don't.

A car should be in good mechanical order whether it is due a NCT or not. These things should be checked when the car is serviced, not when it's due an NCT. For some people things like worn brakes and tyres are only addressed when the NCT highlighted them as that is the only time their car sees a service.

corktina

Brake pads work much the same whether they are new or wafer thin.... they check they work at the time of the test....any more than that would involve dismantling the cart and extra cost.....thickness should be checked out when servicing the car

CiniO

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

It is a very stupid system indeed.
Test should be valid for 1 (or 2) years from date of test.
Having a due date based on 1st registration anniversary is pure nonsense which causes unnecessary complications and financial loss for genuine people like OP.

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

it's that way to stop people leaving the NCT out of date and then applying 3 months later and getting a full year test, thus being rewarded for breaking the law. Unfortunately it catches out buyers of cars with no test....blame the seller not the system!

System is here to be blamed.

It's very unfair and causes stupid complications...

Anyone should be able to do NCT anytime and have it valid for a year or two from then.

timmy4u2

wriordan wrote: »

I never said it would all i said is that a car passing nct doesn't mean its in good mechanical condition. I know its a road worthiness test so they should at least check that the brake pads are good but they don't.

CiniO wrote: »

It is a very stupid system indeed.
Test should be valid for 1 (or 2) years from date of test.
Having a due date based on 1st registration anniversary is pure nonsense which causes unnecessary complications and financial loss for genuine people like OP.

Whatever about the stupidity of it ignorance of the law pertaining to the legislation governing the NCT test requirements is no excuse in this instance.

The OP made an incorrect assumption that resulted in a short test and the need to test again within a short period of time.
It was not the system that cost him unnecessary complications and financial loss but rather his failure to appraise himself of the regulations.

wonski

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Whatever about the stupidity of it ignorance of the law pertaining to the legislation governing the NCT test requirements is no excuse in this instance.

The OP made an incorrect assumption that resulted in a short test and the need to test again within a short period of time.
It was not the system that cost him unnecessary complications and financial loss but rather his failure to appraise himself of the regulations.

The OP would have to pay 55 euro for 4 months test even if he knew how the system works. Waiting 1 month to do the test for 15 months is not always an option, and it isn't fair if you think about this.

It is stupid, in the ideal world where everyone tests their cars on time this would be a non-issue, but why do we penalize people who buy car without NCT and put it through? Doesn't make sense to me really.

Even worse when the previous owner missed the NCT test / retest - does the new owner pay the penalty for missing it as it is linked to the registration plate rather than the owner?

CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Whatever about the stupidity of it ignorance of the law pertaining to the legislation governing the NCT test requirements is no excuse in this instance.

The OP made an incorrect assumption that resulted in a short test and the need to test again within a short period of time.
It was not the system that cost him unnecessary complications and financial loss but rather his failure to appraise himself of the regulations.

OP didn't make any incorrect assumption?
He did the right thing - after purchasing not-NCTed vehicle he NCTed it as soon as possible. What else was he supposed to do? Wait and drive it not NCTed for a month just to be smarter than the system and avoid doing NCT twice in short time?

Law should allow for that - NCT should be valid for year or two from test date? Not anniversary of first registration - as this doesn't make any sense.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

Law should allow for that - NCT should be valid for year or two from test date? Not anniversary of first registration - as this doesn't make any sense.

It does, as long as people obey the rules and NCT their car. The OP knew he was buying a non NCT'd car so could have done research before even buying it. The previous owner should have had it NCT'd in any case.

Theres no need to post a long winded example of leaving the country with the car for longer than the NCT or anything btw.

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It does, as long as people obey the rules and NCT their car.

There is no rules to keep your NCT up to date at all times.
No law in Ireland (and probably anywhere else) forcing anyone to have car kept off-the-road with valid NCT test.
It's obvious that if car is off-the-road, there is no need for it to be NCTed. But then once you return it for road use, then you are punished with shorted NCT for no reason, unless you are lucky enough to have it off the road for 9 months, and then you can have NCT for nearly 15 months. Sorry but it doesn't make sense to me.

The OP knew he was buying a non NCT'd car so could have done research before even buying it.

Of course he could have done research.
But it wouldn't change anything.
He still would need to do NCT twice in period of 4 months. That doesn't make any sense and is totally not fair.

The previous owner should have had it NCT'd in any case.

Why should he have had it NCT in any case?
If car was off the road or broken, then why (and how) could he NCT it?

Theres no need to post a long winded example of leaving the country with the car for longer than the NCT or anything btw.

Why is there no reason? That's a perfect example to summarise the nonsenseness of this system.

You are planning abroad trip for 6 month.
Your NCT expires in 4 months.
You can't NCT your car before you go, and it will expire 4 months after you leave, making your car illegal to drive.
Nothing you can do to help it.

System is absolute crap and should be changed.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

There is no rules to keep your NCT up to date at all times.

Presumably the OP didn't test drive the car and trailered it home? Someone broke the law at some point in relation to the car.


Has there been any mention of the car being off the road? If its spent every monite since the NCT expired off the road and the OP got it to his house on a trailer then you might have a bit of a point.

The OP could have refused to buy it till it was NCT'd

We must have the highest percentage of cars off the road (yet taxed and insured) in Europe by some distance.:rolleyes:

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Presumably the OP didn't test drive the car and trailered it home? Someone broke the law at some point in relation to the car.


Has there been any mention of the car being off the road? If its spent every monite since the NCT expired off the road and the OP got it to his house on a trailer then you might have a bit of a point.


We must have the highest percentage of cars off the road (yet taxed and insured) in Europe by some distance.:rolleyes:

In normal system, if you are buying vehicle kept off-the-road without test you do as follows.

1. If car is roadworthy, after purchase you drive it straight to test centre and proceed with test.

2. If it isn't roadworthy, you tow it on trailer or towing truck to place it's getting repaired, and then bring it for a test.

In Ireland unfortunately it's impossible, as average waiting times for NCT booking is probably few months.
Funny how can they do it on the spot in other countries? Miracle?

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

OP didn't make any incorrect assumption?
He did the right thing - after purchasing not-NCTed vehicle he NCTed it as soon as possible. What else was he supposed to do? Wait and drive it not NCTed for a month just to be smarter than the system and avoid doing NCT twice in short time?

Law should allow for that - NCT should be valid for year or two from test date? Not anniversary of first registration - as this doesn't make any sense.

Of course he made an incorrect assumption. He assumed that he would get a years NCT and he was incorrect because he did not appraise himself of the regulations before he bought the car.
Its a statutory requirement and he could not have imagined that he could circumvent the requirements of the SI.
This thread is not about how stupid or otherwise one may think the law on the matter is, but how it can be applied to best advantage.
He knew the car did not have an NCT test when he bought it, he failed to appraise himself of the regulations and informed options open to him.
It is not as if the law changed after he bought the car and before he got a chance to NCT it

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

In normal system, if you are buying vehicle kept off-the-road without test you do as follows.

1. If car is roadworthy, after purchase you drive it straight to test centre and proceed with test.

2. If it isn't roadworthy, you tow it on trailer or towing truck to place it's getting repaired, and then bring it for a test.

In Ireland unfortunately it's impossible, as average waiting times for NCT booking is probably few months.
Funny how can they do it on the spot in other countries? Miracle?

In Rome you do as the Romans do. This is Ireland and the normal procedure is as per the SI 368 of 2000 as amended.
And from my experiences of driving in Poland, Bulgaria and Romania; to name a few, and my observations of the condition of many of the vehicles in those countries, I have come to the conclusion that the application of the test under the Irish system is far better than in the aforenamed countries, irrespective of how antiquated or stupid the system may be perceived to be.

The only miracle that I can see in these countries is the miracle of how such stated vehicles ever qualified when tested

CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

And from my experiences of driving in Poland, Bulgaria and Romania; to name a few, and my observations of the condition of many of the vehicles in those countries, I have come to the conclusion that the application of the test under the Irish system is far better than in the aforenamed countries, irrespective of how antiquated or stupid the system may be perceived to be.

The only miracle that I can see in these countries is the miracle of how such stated vehicles ever qualified when tested

I can't comment on other countries you listed, but Poland is also far from perfect here indeed. However the problem seem to be opposite to Ireland.
In Poland vehicle roadworthiness test administration is very good.
Your test cert is valid for one year from date of the test. You can do your test anytime you want. And what's the most important you don't need to book. You can just show up in a test centre at anytime and worst what can happen upu might need to wait for half an hour in the queue for uour test. Also unlike in Ireland driving without valid test is rare occurance mostly due to often road checks and insurance implications when driving untested vehicle. So thats all superior to Ireland.
However downside is the test itself. It's not good at all. Very often testers don't bother with basic stuff like emissions or leaks. Generally lots of rubbish goes through the test, while it shouldn't.

visual

Only an accountant would consider year (2 year) test vaild from a registered date rather than from date of test. It was never in the public interest. But you have to point the finger back to RSA who setup and over see NCT.

Whats surprising is the amount of people who condones test being treated like a tax and NCT test centres booked beyond capacity.
They will even tell you to book in advance.
So some will have a car with NCT cert valid for 27 months. While others will end up with a nct only valid for just a little over 3 months.
Safety has nothing to do with backdating NCT or allowing a testing period extended.

I notice and it might just be my observation while waiting on NCT that older cars spend a hugh amount of time on the vibration ramps while newer cars are up and down in a couple of mins.

Im all for annual test and NCT centres do a good job but it could be improved by testing front fog lights and be able to test awd 4x4

My last test they refused to give cert because they couldn't find stamped VIN number.
I had to contact forum member for location and show it to tester before they printed cert.
Don't know what VIN has to do with Safety test  

challengemaster

visual wrote: »

Don't know what VIN has to do with Safety test  

You can't think of any reason why it might be important for a state appointed testing facility to verify a vehicles identity (clue: Vehicle Identification Number) before handing out a certificate that says that specific car has passed said test on a specific date?

It's a little difficult to take your opinion on the issues with the NCT seriously when you can't figure out why that might be important.

corktina

CiniO wrote: »

System is here to be blamed.

It's very unfair and causes stupid complications...

Anyone should be able to do NCT anytime and have it valid for a year or two from then.

fine I agree...provided that the NCT is brought within the SORD system and you can declare your car as being nonNCTd and therefore off the road, with swingeing fines for non-compliance and an automated system of checking.

Arthur Beesley

doctorneeded wrote: »

For ****s sake. Shouldn't have ****ing bothered.

What a stupid system.

Presumably you paid less because it wasn't NCT'ed, so not seeing the problem.

If it was this easy to avoid paying (and this is what this is), then everyone would be doing it.

doctorneeded

No what it means is that by being legal, and following the rules, I've been shafted over. I'm a new owner to the car, the previous owners failure to comply with the laws should not have a bearing on me.

I've paid 55+28 (failed on one tiny thing by the smallest of margins) to have a NCT for a few months. This is in no way fair or equitable.

Good way for the state to ensure that people don't bother getting their car tested legally in future.

Just because the rules and regulations (I swear people in Ireland are becoming more sanctimonious and rule abiding than the Germans, even though half the people down the pub still consider themselves rebels :rolleyes: ), state that something is so, does not make it a good idea...

doctorneeded

corktina wrote: »

fine I agree...provided that the NCT is brought within the SORD system and you can declare your car as being nonNCTd and therefore off the road, with swingeing fines for non-compliance and an automated system of checking.

They do it with tax already....

Arthur Beesley

doctorneeded wrote: »

No what it means is that by being legal, and following the rules, I've been shafted over. I'm a new owner to the car, the previous owners failure to comply with the laws should not have a bearing on me.

I've paid 55+28 (failed on one tiny thing by the smallest of margins) to have a NCT for a few months. This is in no way fair or equitable.

Good way for the state to ensure that people don't bother getting their car tested legally in future.

Just because the rules and regulations (I swear people in Ireland are becoming more sanctimonious and rule abiding than the Germans, even though half the people down the pub still consider themselves rebels :rolleyes: ), state that something is so, does not make it a good idea...

So you didn't pay less because it wasn't NCT'd?

doctorneeded

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

So you didn't pay less because it wasn't NCT'd?

The relevancy being....

Arthur Beesley

doctorneeded wrote: »

The relevancy being....

The relevance being you factored in the fact that the NCT was overdue and paid less. Meaning the money saved should pay for the missed NCT period. And now you need to pay to cover for the next year. Simples.

the culture of deference

bazz26 wrote: »

These threads make me laugh.

People will blame everyone and anything but themselves and then call it a money racket. The NCT runs consecutively from the date of registration rather than calendar yea and it always has, so there is no conspiracy theory. If there was no penalty for a lapsed NCT then what would be the point in having a due date on it?

OP, if you need to blame anyone, then blame yourself for not looking into this before buying the car.

wonski wrote: »

The OP would have to pay 55 euro for 4 months test even if he knew how the system works. Waiting 1 month to do the test for 15 months is not always an option, and it isn't fair if you think about this.

It is stupid, in the ideal world where everyone tests their cars on time this would be a non-issue, but why do we penalize people who buy car without NCT and put it through? Doesn't make sense to me really.

Even worse when the previous owner missed the NCT test / retest - does the new owner pay the penalty for missing it as it is linked to the registration plate rather than the owner?

If you import a car the NCT is valid from the date of the test.

If you buy any untaxed car the new tax is from the date of purchase.

An NCT should be valid from the date it was issued, not the car DOB.

corktina

sevearl people have explained why. The "three month on, three month off " crew would find it a handy system .

CiniO

So lets see.
I'm curious if there is any other country in EU where test validity is based on anniversary of first reg. instead of being valid for a year or two from date car was actually tested.
There's good few Irish people living abroad as well as good few foreigners on this forum so lets see if we can find out.

Also I wonder if there are any EU countries not accepting test certs on cars imported from other eu states like ireland does.

I would love to find out if Ireland is only EU country with such absurd law, or is there more?

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

So lets see.
I'm curious if there is any other country in EU where test validity is based on anniversary of first reg. instead of being valid for a year or two from date car was actually tested.
There's good few Irish people living abroad as well as good few foreignes so lets see if we can find one.

Also I wonder if there are any EU countries not accepting test certs on cars imported from other eu states like ireland does.

I would love to find out if Ireland is only EU country with such absurd law, or is there more?

Well France for starters, and second hand cars older than 4 years cannot be solt with CT test that is more than six months old and the Certificate of conformity has to be with the car.
Spain is the same. An imported car over four has to undergo an ITV test irrespective of any other EU issued test.
The UK requires an MOT test before the car is registered.
Bulgaria is the same. The same applies to all the other EU countries as the Roadworthiness test is not an EU wide recognised test

the culture of deference

In UK the MOT is from the date its tested.

timmy4u2

the culture of deference wrote: »

In UK the MOT is from the date its tested.

I am not disputing that but in Rome you do as the Romans do

timmy4u2

the culture of deference wrote: »

If you import a car the NCT is valid from the date of the test.

Not quite correct. For a car that is imported and less than four years old the NCTis from its DOB in the country of origin + 4 years.

For a car that is four years old or more the NCT is from its date of registration in this country as a once off and henceforth on that dates anniversary

If you buy any untaxed car the new tax is from the date of purchase.

You are not responsible for the previous owners untaxed tenure however it is one occasion where you can declare a car off the road retrospectavly as you have ten days after registration to declare it off the road and therefore you do not have to tax it from date of purchase.

An NCT should be valid from the date it was issued, not the car DOB.

That would be great. I presume it could be linked to an off road declaration in that if the car is declared off the road then the requirement for an NCT should be stayed and commenced only from its return on to the road.

rebel.ranter

timmy4u2 wrote: »

presume it could be linked to an off road declaration

That's your problem, any linking between things usually doesn't work in this country, that's before you even consider data protection laws.

visual

challengemaster wrote: »

You can't think of any reason why it might be important for a state appointed testing facility to verify a vehicles identity (clue: Vehicle Identification Number) before handing out a certificate that says that specific car has passed said test on a specific date?

It's a little difficult to take your opinion on the issues with the NCT seriously when you can't figure out why that might be important.

Revenue and possibility of detection of stolen cars but its Not a safety test

You already got 2 big Reg plates stuck in high profile places on front and back of car.

But if your happy to pay the state quangos so they can justify silly rules then great. But I'm not

Next time your out driving about and blinded by missaligned front fog lights remember it was more important in the safety test to ensure the full amount of VRT was paid and ignore some basic tests