Blacklion tyres

visual

I have horrible triangle tyres on the car and nearly ended up rear ending someone yesterday so thought I look into getting two tyres for the front
The triangle tyres are ok in the dry but they are beyond believe in the wet like driving on ice.

Tyre fitter recommend not to get part worn as the blacklion tyres are so cheap
can do two front tyres 225/55R16 for 130 euro
Claims taxi men love these tyres and can't recommend them high enough.

that seems a great price so did a little web search
these are Chinese tyres but they seem from reviews that they are good in wet
It appear that they are sold worldwide and reviews from OZ and USA seem positive. not found any Irish driver reviews who usually tell it like it is

Now I realise these aren't a top brand nor am I expecting these to be but for value for money with the ability to stop a car quickly in the rain I'm wondering if they are really any good at 65 euro per corner

If someone has fitted them what is your opinion

kerten

I don't want to sound smart but you are complaining about safety and performance of a budget tyre and planning to replace it with another budget tyre.

There are good mid-range brands like Hankook, Kumho, Uniroyal, Firestone, Vredestein, etc that won't be super expensive(a lot more than 65 euro though)

If you search forum, you will see these are recommended in your situation most of the time.

This is the cheapest decent tyre I could find in eiretyres(camskill is not accessible):

http://www.eiretyres.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=124&cart_id=35455555.124.3462&sowigan=So&Breite=225&Quer=55&Felge=16&Speed=&kategorie=&Marke=&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&weiter=80&sort_by=preis&rsmFahrzeugart=PKW&search_tool=standard&Label=C-B-73-3&details=Ordern&typ=R-116620

Factor 10-15 euro fitting per tyre into price.

corkgsxr

They all tell ya cack like that. Don't think of them like a friend who wants to give ya abit of advice. Treat them like a salesman.


eg

I need 205/65/16

O ya iv roadcack, slidewell, and round balls of **** there all top quality. Very underrated tires.

"No the goodyear marathons please"

"Ya your much better with the proper tires".

Hellrazer

BlackLion tyres are huge in the states.
Apparently over there they aren't regarded as a "budget" brand and are up there with the big boys.

cerastes

depends on your driving?
I've gotten, cheaper name brands like firestone and nokians and part worn name brands that were like new, never had any performance concerns like I had with cheap chinese tyres, Im talking like basic performance concerns like driving around roundabouts in the wet.

these ones could be ok, Ive not read any reviews

visual

Hellrazer wrote: »

BlackLion tyres are huge in the states.
Apparently over there they aren't regarded as a "budget" brand and are up there with the big boys.

I was looking at on line reviews from oz and states majority of reviews where favourable.
This has got me wondering if these could be a real contender.

visual

kerten wrote: »

I don't want to sound smart but you are complaining about safety and performance of a budget tyre and planning to replace it with another budget tyre.

There are good mid-range brands like Hankook, Kumho, Uniroyal, Firestone, Vredestein, etc that won't be super expensive(a lot more than 65 euro though)

If you search forum, you will see these are recommended in your situation most of the time.

This is the cheapest decent tyre I could find in eiretyres(camskill is not accessible):

http://www.eiretyres.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=124&cart_id=35455555.124.3462&sowigan=So&Breite=225&Quer=55&Felge=16&Speed=&kategorie=&Marke=&ranzahl=4&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&weiter=80&sort_by=preis&rsmFahrzeugart=PKW&search_tool=standard&Label=C-B-73-3&details=Ordern&typ=R-116620

Factor 10-15 euro fitting per tyre into price.

korean compay who also makes tyres under different names including factorys in china too.

Seem a lot of guys on car fourms like these tyes
Thanks for tip as these wouldn't be something that would pop out of a browse through online store.

visual

No reviews yet from anyone who actually fitted blacklion tyres ?

dar83

That probably tells you all you need to know.

Hellrazer

dar83 wrote: »

That probably tells you all you need to know.

Not really they've only been available over here for the last 5-6 months.

Ive driven cars with them fitted and they aren't ditch finders like a lot of the Chinese crap that's out there that has more pepsi bottle in it than actual rubber!!!

I can buy 2055516 Black Lions for 39.00 euros.
Continentals cost me 51.00.
That's only 12 euros in the difference wholesale price.

Some places are retailing Contis at 120 per corner fitted. Black Lions are about 70 fitted.

Wheres the extra 50 euros--yep its in selling a brand name.


Would I fit Black Lions to my own car??
To save 200 euros--yes I would.

Visual look at you tube--Theres a few face off videso versus big brand tyres there..

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/blacklion-bu66-champoint-tire-review.html

Ded_Zebra

visual wrote: »

I was looking at on line reviews from oz and states majority of reviews where favourable.
This has got me wondering if these could be a real contender.

Personally I wouldn't buy a tyre because it got good reviews in Australia. So much of their driving is dry that they wouldn't really have the experience of them in the wet to say if they are good or bad.

Honestly when it rains in Sydney peoples driving is like when it snows here, they just crash and bounce of everything in sight!

Personally I would go for something a bit more known. If you do get them let us know how you get on!:)

djimi

visual wrote: »

Claims taxi men love these tyres and can't recommend them high enough.

I have been peddled this line before and when I looked into it was told that taxi drivers love tires that last a long time, and considering a lot of their driving is at relatively low speeds in cities/towns etc then having rock hard rubber that lasts a long time but doesnt necessarily have the best performance is less of an issue. How true this is I dont know, but it was enough for me to ignore that line! The tires in question that the guy was trying to sell me were Nankangs I think; I had originally called in enquiring about Bridgestones or something in that sort of price range...

djimi

Personally I wont buy a brand of tire that I havent heard of. There may be an element of brand snobbery about it, but I have paid for premium tires and there is no question that you get what you pay for compared to cheap rubber. These Blacklion tires could be very good and just a gem at that price, but until you get some solid reviews from people using them in this country in our climate then I wouldnt be in a hurry to stick them on my car.

pete4130

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

Honestly when it rains in Sydney peoples driving is like when it snows here, they just crash and bounce of everything in sight!

It's different in Australia. They get days, weeks of heat, not rain and traffic grime builds up. First downpour and it lifts the grease onto the surface and the roads are more slippery. The fact the bitumen is much harder to cope with the heat so it doesn't melt means the roads have far less grip than back in Ireland. It's especially noticeable in the wet. When it does rain here, its far heavier than back in Ireland.

Canis Lupus

pete4130 wrote: »

It's different in Australia. They get days, weeks of heat, not rain and traffic grime builds up. First downpour and it lifts the grease onto the surface and the roads are more slippery. The fact the bitumen is much harder to cope with the heat so it doesn't melt means the roads have far less grip than back in Ireland. It's especially noticeable in the wet. When it does rain here, its far heavier than back in Ireland.

As someone who lives in Brisbane I can attest to this. You mightn't see a drop of rain for weeks then it storms like the world is ending and it can be like driving on ice once the road gets wet. It's scary on a motorbike I can tell ya.

visual

Hellrazer wrote: »

Not really they've only been available over here for the last 5-6 months.

Ive driven cars with them fitted and they aren't ditch finders like a lot of the Chinese crap that's out there that has more pepsi bottle in it than actual rubber!!!

I can buy 2055516 Black Lions for 39.00 euros.
Continentals cost me 51.00.
That's only 12 euros in the difference wholesale price.

Some places are retailing Contis at 120 per corner fitted. Black Lions are about 70 fitted.

Wheres the extra 50 euros--yep its in selling a brand name.


Would I fit Black Lions to my own car??
To save 200 euros--yes I would.

Visual look at you tube--Theres a few face off videso versus big brand tyres there..

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/01/blacklion-bu66-champoint-tire-review.html

That is a big markup on branded tyres more than 100%

And not all branded tyres live up to expectations
I put dunlop on a jeep and they where horrible relying on ABS and AWD to corner and stop in wet. I ended up replacing them Cooper AT that stopped the Jeep without ABS comming on.

I seen the same review and watched the youtube videos. The videos arent independent so a little sceptical how good they really are.

My tyre size is 225/55R16 and 2 blacklion tyre for the price of 1 branded name tyre seems great value for money if they live up to the claims of being as good as advertised.

I give it a little more thought but I have to admit I'm very tempted with Blacklion offer.

Wheres My ForkandKnife

I have the same tyre fitted ( Blacklion 225/55/16) and haven't had any problems with them. The abs or traction control lights have never come on unnecessarily. Initially I was wary of them but I have almost 30K (miles) on them and no problems. I will admit I don't drive like a lunatic but I have found the grip on them fine.

Most posters on here seem to be driving on 205/55/16 which is a world away on price. I think I paid €65 or €70 a corner and it was great value. If the difference between having an accident and stopping in time is the rubber on the rims you ere going too fast in the first place.

Having said that on a Merc with sbc they have never stepped out of place. For all the stick Mercedes have got for sbc (who would have a brake system with a counter ???. They are savage brakes!I have no connection with them whatsoever but if (Visual) you are around west Dubin/north Kildare you can have a look at what they look like after decent mileage.

SpannerMonkey

Wheres My ForkandKnife wrote: »

I have the same tyre fitted ( Blacklion 225/55/16) and haven't had any problems with them. The abs or traction control lights have never come on unnecessarily. Initially I was wary of them but I have almost 30K (miles) on them and no problems. I will admit I don't drive like a lunatic but I have found the grip on them fine.

Most posters on here seem to be driving on 205/55/16 which is a world away on price. I think I paid €65 or €70 a corner and it was great value. If the difference between having an accident and stopping in time is the rubber on the rims you ere going too fast in the first place.

Having said that on a Merc with sbc they have never stepped out of place. For all the stick Mercedes have got for sbc (who would have a brake system with a counter ???. They are savage brakes!I have no connection with them whatsoever but if (Visual) you are around west Dubin/north Kildare you can have a look at what they look like after decent mileage.

great if your happy with them but thats a very stupid statement and totally untrue , the difference between an accident or not can be an inch , and travelling within the speed limit the brake difference between tyres can be metres

mullingar

Hellrazer wrote: »

I can buy 2055516 Black Lions for 39.00 euros.
Continentals cost me 51.00

I'll take 4x conti's please. Do you take cash???

visual

Wheres My ForkandKnife wrote: »

I have the same tyre fitted ( Blacklion 225/55/16) and haven't had any problems with them. The abs or traction control lights have never come on unnecessarily. Initially I was wary of them but I have almost 30K (miles) on them and no problems. I will admit I don't drive like a lunatic but I have found the grip on them fine.

Most posters on here seem to be driving on 205/55/16 which is a world away on price. I think I paid €65 or €70 a corner and it was great value. If the difference between having an accident and stopping in time is the rubber on the rims you ere going too fast in the first place.

Having said that on a Merc with sbc they have never stepped out of place. For all the stick Mercedes have got for sbc (who would have a brake system with a counter ???. They are savage brakes!I have no connection with them whatsoever but if (Visual) you are around west Dubin/north Kildare you can have a look at what they look like after decent mileage.

Thanks for the input and appraisal of blacklion tyres, 225/55R16 does have a price jump in some tyre brands its almost double.

I think I will give them a try as 130 euro for 2 tyres is actually cheaper than 1 branded tyre fitted.

Jimmyswinnin

I got 2 x 195/65R15 Blacklions fitted about 6 months ago in Atlas Autoservice. The guy in there couldn't recommend them enough. He said they're cheap now because they're new to the Irish market but they will eventually be recognized as a premium brand and increase in price. I googled them before deciding to buy and found out that they were originally made by Continental before being bought by a Chinese company. After 6 months and over 15,000km they still look almost new and the grip is excellent (they're B rated for grip, better than most premium brands) I have them on a Skoda Octavia. I've recommended them to friends since and everyone's happy with them. So in a nutshell, yes, highly recommended!

RichyX

Jimmyswinnin wrote: »

The guy in there couldn't recommend them enough. He said they're cheap now because they're new to the Irish market but they will eventually be recognized as a premium brand and increase in price.

I imagine for them to be seen as a 'premium brand' will take many years and a decent marketing spend.
Most people wouldn't be familiar with a tyre brand unless it's sponsored a sports competition or been used in major motor sports.

I'll certainly consider them in future if they hold up well and they're competitive in tyre group tests.
There's no substitute for cold, hard stats.

Ardent

I'm in the market for a couple of new tyres and was introduced to Blacklion BU66 tyres today. I can get 2 X 225/50/17 Blacklions for 150, less than the price of a single premium brand tyre!

The guy in the garage recommended them highly, in fact they were his top of the range tyre for sale.

Hadn't heard of them before, the price is very tempting and the reviews online (what few I can find) are very good.

Just wondering if they are any first-hand experiences of these tyres on here?

Chris_Heilong

Ardent wrote: »

I'm in the market for a couple of new tyres and was introduced to Blacklion BU66 tyres today. I can get 2 X 225/50/17 Blacklions for 150, less than the price of a single premium brand tyre!

The guy in the garage recommended them highly, in fact they were his top of the range tyre for sale.

Hadn't heard of them before, the price is very tempting and the reviews online (what few I can find) are very good.

Just wondering if they are any first-hand experiences of these tyres on here?

Look 2 posts above yours.

Yawns

To be fair the poster praising them is his first post. Could easily be a shill. Not saying he is, just that he could be. Joined up and posted 1 post 2 days ago to say they were fine. Pinch of salt.

Also garages will tell you the moon is really pink in colour if they thought they could get a sale. I tend to shop around when buying tyres and have had Triangles recommended to me as the best and top seller blah blah blah.

If in doubt go with a proven brand and feck the cost tbh. My life and that of my family are worth more than the savings of 60 euro a corner tbh.

quadrifoglio verde

Jimmyswinnin wrote: »

I got 2 x 195/65R15 Blacklions fitted about 6 months ago in Atlas Autoservice. The guy in there couldn't recommend them enough. He said they're cheap now because they're new to the Irish market but they will eventually be recognized as a premium brand and increase in price. I googled them before deciding to buy and found out that they were originally made by Continental before being bought by a Chinese company. After 6 months and over 15,000km they still look almost new and the grip is excellent (they're B rated for grip, better than most premium brands) I have them on a Skoda Octavia. I've recommended them to friends since and everyone's happy with them. So in a nutshell, yes, highly recommended!

Wow the tyre salesman told you they're the greatest thing since sliced bread and you believed him
He's trying to sell you non premium tyres. He's hardly going to tell you they're a pile of ****e now is he???

Hellrazer

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

He's trying to sell you non premium tyres.

I disagree.
See my earlier posts--in many other countries Black Lion tyres are premium brand.

They can hold up to the (lets not use the word "premium" but lets say) more well known brands.

RichyX

It's interesting that most of the major tyre review websites don't even list Blacklion. In fact I couldn't find them on any of those websites!

Can you give examples of where they would be considered premium tyres?

quadrifoglio verde

Hellrazer wrote: »

I disagree.
See my earlier posts--in many other countries Black Lion tyres are premium brand.

They can hold up to the (lets not use the word "premium" but lets say) more well known brands.

My point was that had the sales man told him that wanlis/some other chinese ****e were the best tyres going he'd have put them on
They're made by the same company that makes jinyus for christ sake. At the end of the day chinese ditch finders aren't going on my car.
Id sooner put on quality part worns.
Maybe that makes me a tyre snob because I want decent shoes on my car. If thats the case so be it.

mullingar

It's a pet hate of mine those sales tactics of pushing Chinese sh1te to the lesser educated car owners . Bottom line is the dealers have a better margin on the Chinese sh1te compared to a premium brand hence their incentive to push them

visual

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

My point was that had the sales man told him that wanlis/some other chinese ****e were the best tyres going he'd have put them on
They're made by the same company that makes jinyus for christ sake. At the end of the day chinese ditch finders aren't going on my car.
Id sooner put on quality part worns.
Maybe that makes me a tyre snob because I want decent shoes on my car. If thats the case so be it.

Your expressing a unqualified comment
for all you known they could be better and far better than what your currently using.

Haven't first hand experience myself so I don't know how good or bad they are so keeping open mind.

quadrifoglio verde

visual wrote: »

Your expressing a unqualified comment
for all you known they could be better and far better than what your currently using.

Haven't first hand experience myself so I don't know how good or bad they are so keeping open mind.

my point is to take what a salesman says with a pinch of salt and do your own research.
Have I got experience of blacklion tyres. Nope I haven't. Have I got experience of chinese muck. Unfortunately I have, which was a brown pants moment.:mad:

In my experience Chinese rubber/plastic is grand in the dry, its in the wet that your screwed compared to the premium tyre.
This being Ireland, Im not willing to take that risk again.

visual

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

my point is to take what a salesman says with a pinch of salt and do your own research.
Have I got experience of blacklion tyres. Nope I haven't. Have I got experience of chinese muck. Unfortunately I have, which was a brown pants moment.:mad:

In my experience Chinese rubber/plastic is grand in the dry, its in the wet that your screwed compared to the premium tyre.
This being Ireland, Im not willing to take that risk again.

From the Chinese brands I have tried Triangle Kingstar Motorway they are horrible tyres especially in wet and would agree with you that it doesn't bow well for any Chinese tyre but like everything if they make them for long enough they will eventually get the ingredients right.

Is Blacklion just another Chinese plastic tyre or a real contender. Hard to tell with limited information but from the few replies here its encouraging

challengemaster

visual wrote: »

From the Chinese brands I have tried Triangle Kingstar Motorway they are horrible tyres especially in wet and would agree with you that it doesn't bow well for any Chinese tyre but like everything if they make them for long enough they will eventually get the ingredients right.

I think you're missing the point (in general of anything produced in China). They're not trying to "get the ingredients right", they're trying to churn out a product as cheap as possible to make money out of. The end quality for most cases is an afterthought, because to the consumer the benefit of the cost outweighs the risk. Hard rubber compounds which provide very little grip (and even worse grip in wet) are the cheapest you can get. It's no coincidence that Chinese tyres last forever.

Don't get me wrong, there are some fantastic products made in China (silk, pearls, etc) which I've seen first hand. But I've also seen first hand Chinese markets where you can buy a "Rolex" for ~€5.

Tyres are a whole different story though. Buying a €5 Chinese knock-off Rolex won't kill you. Buying cheap shít tyres just might.

djimi

visual wrote: »

Your expressing a unqualified comment
for all you known they could be better and far better than what your currently using.

Haven't first hand experience myself so I don't know how good or bad they are so keeping open mind.

In fairness, I would have no intentions of keeping an open mind when it comes to tires that i have never heard of. I buy what I know to be a good tire, either through my oewn experience or through reputation. Im not going to buy something that I have never heard of, nor has pretty much anyone in this country by the sounds of it, just because a sales guy assures me that they are decent. Tires are much too important to take a punt on the quality.

Hellrazer

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Id sooner put on quality part worns.

So you`d sooner fit part worns where you haven't the foggiest of their history versus new tyres regardless of the make???

Says it all really.


Id never fit part worns to any car. That in my opinion is more dodgy than Chinese ditch finders.

Blacklions aren't like your usual Chinese crap to be honest.As I said earlier they have more rubber in them than used pepsi bottles :D

Kingser

I'm a tyre fitter for years now, from your quad tyres to the biggest OTR in Ireland. Generally, the fitter will sell what you want but will give you a list of what stock he has at his prices. All his prices will include a profit margin from €15 to €30.
On a 205/55R16, the profit margin stays at €15 throughout the brands. There is no or rarely a "cheap Chinese" will have a bigger profit margin than your Goodyear!
I won't slate anyone buying a "cheep Chinese" tyre because the next step down is a partworn and I can guarantee the new tyre not the part worn, and that's the safe sale.

quadrifoglio verde

Hellrazer wrote: »

So you`d sooner fit part worns where you haven't the foggiest of their history versus new tyres regardless of the make???

Says it all really.


Id never fit part worns to any car. That in my opinion is more dodgy than Chinese ditch finders.

Blacklions aren't like your usual Chinese crap to be honest.As I said earlier they have more rubber in them than used pepsi bottles :D

To me blacklion are in the same category as linglongs, wanlis and jinyu, until I can get decent info and feedback on them from other drivers I know.

There is nothing dodgy about good quality part worns provided you know what your buying.
And I still stand by what I said. Id much prefer a decent set of part worn premium tyres than linglongs, triangles and all that other chinese muck.

Kingser

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

To me blacklion are in the same category as linglongs, wanlis and jinyu, until I can get decent info and feedback on them from other drivers I know.

There is nothing dodgy about good quality part worns provided you know what your buying.
And I still stand by what I said. Id much prefer a decent set of part worn premium tyres than linglongs, triangles and all that other chinese muck.

Do you know the history of the tyre? What is your checklist to ensure you know what your buying? Just two questions I'm interested in hearing, I'm not slatting you for buying them btw

djimi

Kingser wrote: »

On a 205/55R16, the profit margin stays at €15 throughout the brands. There is no or rarely a "cheap Chinese" will have a bigger profit margin than your Goodyear!

If thats the case, why have I (on more than one occasion) had a fitter try to sell me something like Nankang when I specifically enquired about a premium brand? If I call into specifically ask about Bridgestones, why would they think that I want some Chinese rubbish, and why would they continue to insist that I should consider them?

Kingser

djimi wrote: »

If thats the case, why have I (on more than one occasion) had a fitter try to sell me something like Nankang when I specifically enquired about a premium brand? If I call into specifically ask about Bridgestones, why would they think that I want some Chinese rubbish, and why would they continue to insist that I should consider them?

He must have no access to B/Stones, did he give you a quote on them in the end? If not then that is poor sales management and stupidity!

quadrifoglio verde

Kingser wrote: »

Do you know the history of the tyre? What is your checklist to ensure you know what your buying? Just two questions I'm interested in hearing, I'm not slatting you for buying them btw

Why are chinese tyres in my local place similar price to the likes of cam skill, but premium stuff like bridgestones are a hell of a lot cheaper on cam skill, even accounting for the extra it costs to fit?? :rolleyes:

Kingser

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Why are chinese tyres in my local place similar price to the likes of cam skill, but premium stuff like bridgestones are a hell of a lot cheaper on cam skill, even accounting for the extra it costs to fit?? :rolleyes:

B/Stone come directly from B/Stone over the north side at 23% VAT. Camskill get them from Germany at a lower VAT rate. Our hands are tied with that unfortunately! So you could enquire why Camskill aren't selling their Chinese cheaply. It's manipulating pricing.

djimi

Kingser wrote: »

He must have no access to B/Stones, did he give you a quote on them in the end? If not then that is poor sales management and stupidity!

Quoted for the premium tires but kept pushing the Chinese no mark brands. Has happened on more than one occasion with different fitters.

quadrifoglio verde

Kingser wrote: »

Do you know the history of the tyre? What is your checklist to ensure you know what your buying? Just two questions I'm interested in hearing, I'm not slatting you for buying them btw

Do I know the history? Nope. Neither do I know the history of the tyres that came on the used car that I bought.

What do I check?
First is the thread. Anything less than 5mm and Ill walk.
Next i look at the sidewall. And rips, any tears, any bulges etc.
Then i look at the date. Ideally 3 years or younger.
Ill also look at the tyre for uneven thread wear.
Ill check the inside of the tyre for damage.

Kingser

djimi wrote: »

Quoted for the premium tires but kept pushing the Chinese no mark brands. Has happened on more than one occasion with different fitters.

Idiots! Was this with any of the big 3? (Advance Pit stop, Atlas, Fast Fit)

Kingser

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Do I know the history? Nope. Neither do I know the history of the tyres that came on the used car that I bought.

What do I check?
First is the thread. Anything less than 5mm and Ill walk.
Next i look at the sidewall. And rips, any tears, any bulges etc.
Then i look at the date. Ideally 3 years or younger.
Ill also look at the tyre for uneven thread wear.
Ill check the inside of the tyre for damage.

That's a perfect checklist. You can't do anymore than that but to hope there is no corrosion inside the tyre.

quadrifoglio verde

Kingser wrote: »

That's a perfect checklist. You can't do anymore than that but to hope there is no corrosion inside the tyre.

Don't get me wrong, I much prefer to use new tyres, but if my budget only allows for wanlis or part worn premiums, I'm going to go part worn route.
Ideally, it'd be a nice set of new bridgestone/conti's etc but sometimes that doesn't allow.

djimi

Kingser wrote: »

Idiots! Was this with any of the big 3? (Advance Pit stop, Atlas, Fast Fit)

No I dont think so (I rang a load of places a couple of months ago when looking for tires).

Kingser

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I much prefer to use new tyres, but if my budget only allows for wanlis or part worn premiums, I'm going to go part worn route.
Ideally, it'd be a nice set of new bridgestone/conti's etc but sometimes that doesn't allow.

At least your doing it right. Most just see the savings and go partworn without any questions been asked!
A lower VAT rate on tyres could pass on savings and would have an unbelievable effect on road safety too!

Kingser

djimi wrote: »

No I dont think so (I rang a load of places a couple of months ago when looking for tires).

Sites in UK are the way to go it seems, but on a few occasions, the price my job can sell and fit a tyre has beaten Camskill and others.
State the obvious but it does pay to shop around.