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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Uhh yes, after the race. Thanks TbL and well done on the recent PB yourself, I know you weren't too happy but tough days beget better ones, there's a lot more from you to to come. Now back to my cheeseca....beetroot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭cianc


    Best of luck J, if I can recognize you from your Strava pic I'll be shouting support in Castleknock :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Best of luck on Monday.
    I'm sure you'll put in a fantastic run.
    See you in the pub ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    That's a wrap, DCM training complete. They hay is in the barn, the cows are in the shed, the cheese is in the fridge, the fish are in the...etc.

    Friday 24/10 - 35 mins Easy

    4.9 miles in 36:04 @ 7:25 min/mile

    Arrived back into Cork at 5pm, lovely evening for a run so threw on the gear, put some vegetables in the oven and out I went around the neighbourhood for a nice hilly jog.

    Saturday 25/10 - 35 mins Easy

    4.4 miles in 34:59 @ 8:00 min/mile

    Last run of this training block, out to the farm with the club and did 35 mins very easy on the grass. Got some nice encouragement off my clubmates and the coach so really looking forward to Monday now.

    <reflection>
    I'm heading into this with a slightly different attitude than times before, I'm treating it like any another race and I'm hoping to just run the best race I'm capable of. The way I trained for this has helped me approach this with a more positive and relaxed attitude than before, though I'd be lying if I said there wasn't any nerves this week. There was no fixed plan in that I've essentially been training for this since joining the club in May with some marathon specific sessions targeted in the last 8 weeks or so. Even in those last 8 weeks there was a huge amount of flexibility and constant feedback between myself and the coach and it really made it a much more enjoyable training block. I've hit some great PB's in the last few months and feeling in the best shape of my life so no matter what happens on Monday, it's been a successful year running, hopefully this will be the cherry on top. I'm going in with a rough idea of my pace and my target, not an exact figure like last time which ended up backfiring. I believe I've done the training to merit a low 2:40 marathon but my attitude, pacing and fuelling amongst other factors will determine the result and it's just all got to come together on the day.
    </reflection>

    Thanks to all who interacted and supported me in this log over the last few months, it's been a very positive experience logging here and hopefully lots more to come. It's almost (but not quite) 26.2 O'clock so time to sign off. The very best of luck to everyone running it and I hope to bump into a few of you in the pub afterwards for an orange juice*.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    jebuz wrote: »
    That's a wrap, DCM training complete. They hay is in the barn, the cows are in the shed, the cheese is in the fridge, the fish are in the...etc.

    The Toberlone Cheesecake is in the stomach.....


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Best of luck Conor...I won't recognise you in the traitor singlet so I won't cheer for you at mile 10 :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭skeleton_boy


    The very best of luck on Monday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Good luck tomorrow, may Jebuz be with you!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Really hope it goes to plan for you - really enjoyed your training log, you deserve a great race.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Very best of luck.
    Your training deserves a great time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭viperlogic


    Best of luck tomorrow


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Savage. Well done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭cianc


    Well done indeed. Think I spotted you in Castleknock, but you were gone before I had a chance to shout :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Great running today.

    Put the feet up and enjoy the pints and cheesecake although maybe not at the same time!

    Well done

    TbL


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Well while it’s still fresh, time to put pen to paper (or finger to keyboard) for my 4th marathon experience.

    Background
    This would be my 2nd marathon attempt this year having had a bit of a nightmare in Rotterdam a few months ago in April. After joining Leevale I had a good summer of training and racing behind me with a recent half of 75:40 suggesting I could run in the low 2:40’s on a good day. The target was flexible but sub 2:45 would have been satisfactory.

    Preparation
    Couldn’t really have done anything much different in terms of preparation. I had a good taper (if anything I might look at shortening this in the future), a flexible target in my mind and was much more prepared for all eventualities than last time. I arrived in Dublin the evening before, got the number and headed out for a bite to eat with a clubmate. I took on slightly more carbs than usual the day before but on the whole stuck to my typical diet all week which is not heavy on carbs and I planned on heading out on empty just like I had done in my long runs. I was pretty relaxed the night before, I looked over the training log and asserted myself I’d done the hard work. I got to bed by 12am and had a good sleep so no complaints about preparation.

    Race Day
    I woke up at 7am and met up with clubmate DC for a light jog at 7:15am, a nice 20 mins stroll around Ballsbridge and it was pretty evident it was going to be a breezy day yet very mild out also. We got back to the hotel where I had an espresso and got changed into my gear. I threw a sachet of dioralyte salts into my pocket and that was all I planned on taking during the race. We walked down to the line as I ate a banana and the atmosphere was really building. I was nice and relaxed and we made our way to the start line early, getting there 15 minutes before the start. I threw my long sleeve top off a few minutes before the start and then bang! DCM is suddenly underway.

    Miles 1-5
    The first few miles felt nice and easy and we stuck well to our plan of taking it out conservatively. There was as always loads of runners around who should have been further back but congestion was very manageable. I saw DublinRunner rounding the first corner and gave him a shout so he tucked in with myself and DC for the first few miles, we were nice and relaxed and able to have a chat. A lot of people flew out of the traps, must have been well over 200 places back but my coach had drilled it into me to start out nice and easy and that patience would be key. The first 3 miles were sheltered, flat and pretty comfortable and was feeling like I might have a good day. We headed by Heuston and into the Phoenix park just after 3 miles. While pace slowed, we kept the effort nice and consistent and I felt I managed this section quite well. It was important to back off a bit here being so early on in the race and knowing there were more drags to come. I first started to realise that the wind was going to play a significant role today with the crosswind almost sending my bib number flying a few times.

    Splits
    1. 6:19
    2. 6:08
    3. 6:15
    4. 6:26
    5. 6:19

    Miles 5-10
    DublinRunner had dropped just behind myself and DC and another runner from Carrig on Shannon joined us as we pushed through the last couple of miles into Castleknock. We had a nice momentum and kicked on in the downhill and I felt really good here opening up the legs and taking a nice breather. Back into the park where we kept the pace going and out into Chapelizod where I got some great support from the Donore water stand. I made sure to take water at every station and this made a huge difference today. We crossed Chapelizod bridge but I noticed DC had dropped a little behind me. I fell back to see if he was ok but he was complaining of stomach issues and didn't look the best. He backed off and sadly that was the beginning of the end of his race as he pulled out shortly after. I found myself alone on the drag up to Kilmainham hitting 10 miles and feeling very strong and in control. I was soaking up all the amazing support up until now, it was actually unreal at times (particularly Castleknock) and sent shivers through my spine, Dublin take a bow son. I had a couple of mates cycling around the course who made a few appearances throughout and it was again a huge confidence booster, it all adds up on the day.

    Splits
    6. 6:16
    7. 6:16
    8. 6:06
    9. 6:11
    10. 6:12

    Miles 10-15
    I had good momentum coming into Kilmainham and keeping the effort and pace consistent. I kept a keen eye on my HR all day making sure it never drifted too far especially on drags and windy areas. I was pretty much solo with no group in sight to latch onto. I took my dioralyte sachet at a water station around 11 miles in and this time I actually got it into my mouth, not the ground. At this stage I had passed and was continuing to pass a few people and confidence was high, a lot of people seemed to already be paying for perhaps hitting the drag in the Phoenix park too hard. I turned onto the Crumlin road and while I knew it was going to be a difficult drag, I had no idea how bad the wind would be here. I hit half way in 1:22:3x, a minute or so off the target but I felt like I had ran that half sensibly and had plenty more to give, the hope was to kick on and put in a good negative split for the 2nd half. However, once I went through the halfway mark, I knew a few minutes were about to be lost. The wind was right in your face and combined with the drag, it didn't make pretty reading for the splits. This is where I resigned myself to the fact a sub 2:45 probably wasn't on the cards and a low 2:40 was out of the question. I had to realign my target to basically just run the best remainder of the race I could given the circumstances. I was so determined not to make the same mistakes I did in Rotterdam so I backed off the pace here slightly and kept hydrating at every station. A runner from Crusaders tagged along here for a mile or so, he is actually a friend of my sisters and we worked well together before he dropped off the pace around 15 miles.

    Splits
    11. 6:18
    12. 6:12
    13. 6:27
    14. 6:32
    15. 6:24

    Miles 15-20
    I got through what was in my opinion probably the most difficult section of the course somewhat unscathed and felt an immediate weight lift off my shoulders. The wind had died and the gradient levelled so I picked up the pace slightly on Cromells Fort/Kimmage rd. I was tipping along nicely, a few runners scattered ahead and I seemed to be making good ground on them, a lot of people fading along here. I got a nice shout from a couple of friends who live around here area and it was nice to see people you recognise along the course. I think it was around mile 17 where I started to feel fatigue myself, it was a low point for sure and doubts crossed my mind, was this the beginning of my end? I had to reassure myself it was just a low point, I know at this stage that the marathon is like a roller coaster in terms of how you feel. I just had to get through it and it eventually passed. I got to Templeogue road and maybe it was the unbelievable support there but I picked it up and got back into my Rhythm. I was still feeling the fatigue accumulating still but spirits were high and I was holding a decent pace. Miles 19 and 20 were pretty quick as I felt great coming through Orwell park and into Milltown. The crowds again here, what can I say, just unbelievable. So that was it, 20 miles. My plan was to get to this point in one piece and I was feeling ok, what did I have left for the last 10k? Well if you read on you’ll probably find out.

    Splits
    16. 6:13
    17. 6:22
    18. 6:17
    19. 6:08
    20. 6:13

    Miles 20-Finish
    I came out of Milltown and knew I had one last drag to tackle, Clonskeagh road all the way up to Dublin's tame counterpart of 'Heartbreak Hill'. I first started noticing the heat on this drag here and pace was far from my target pace but I knew not to go chasing it. It was all about getting home not only in one piece but as efficiently as possible. Mile 22 was my slowest yet (6:37) and as I approached the top of Roebuck hill, thoughts of a catastrophe consumed me. The watch ticked onto 23 miles and my pace was slowing rapidly, 7+ min/mile. Thoughts of Rotterdam and the gradual disintegration flooded my mind but I had to fight them away. I slowed to almost a stop at the top of the hill before gathering myself and looking down the hill. 3 miles to go, felt like a big ask but I started working the legs again and I said I'm going to just hang in there. I just wanted to get to the line, I'd take 7 min miles from here in, I started feeling drained. Suddenly I found myself back in a bit of a groove, the legs were working again though my mind was still fighting them. I was back in the 6:30's and that was more than satisfactory. I started catching and passing a few people but I was starting to ache badly too. Heading onto Nutley lane I got a great shout from some Leevale club members who were up supporting for the day, gave me a fantastic boost and the shout of "2 miles to go" really hit home, what’s 2 miles at this stage? I got into Ballsbridge, memory starting to fade here as I was really hanging on for dear life and really feeling the heat. Somehow the pace was still ok but my form was ridiculous, someone told me I looked like I was on drugs when they saw me over the last 2 miles. I saw my Dad here who gave me a great shout but I could barely muster a thumbs up. Mile 25 was my new slowest (6:39) but somehow I pulled a 6:30 out of the bag on mile 26. I wanted to stop more than anything in the world and I was yearning for that finish line to come into sight. I was out on my own and the crowd was almost deafening but it felt like a hand on my shoulder pushing me over the line. As I turned onto Mount street I saw a cruel, cruel sign indicating 800 meters to go. All I could think was 2 laps of the track, how am I going to do that? 800 suddenly became 400, the crowd blowing my mind and I was like a rag doll limping towards the line. Suddenly the finish line became a reality, I stepped over that mat a proud man and managed a small celebration to cross in 2:46:59 and 66th overall. Job done. Any water?

    Splits
    21. 6:20
    22. 6:37
    23. 6:22
    24. 6:25
    25. 6:29
    26. 6:30
    27. 2:42 (0.4 miles)

    26.4 miles in 2:46:59 @ 6:20 min/mile

    A friend of mine who works in media was at the finish line and gave me a shout. In my delirium I gave her the weirdest look as I staggered toward the medal and bag area gasping for water. I finally sat down around the corner with a guy who was just behind me, funnily enough had never met him but we follow each other on Strava. Was good to have company here and we had a good moan before heading over to the bag collection area where I scoffed on some jellies and got some coke into me. My dad and sister were just there also and was brilliant to meet up with them straight away as the life seeped back into my bones. They got me a coffee and a cereal bar and I just sat on the ground and soaked it all in, a little smirk on my face. Though I was off my target by a good few minutes, my brother texted to tell me I was 66th and it was just then it hit me what a decent run that actually was. From 30k to the finish, I went from 134th place down to 66th, pretty pleasing.

    I met up with DublinRunner in the pub after and a few other friends for a few delicious pints. I didn’t meet one person that hit their target and the constant theme seemed to be 'that bloody wind/heat/drag'. It was by far the toughest marathon course I've ran and I'm proud that I persevered and I battled and came through on the other side, severely battered but I made it. I firmly believe the methodology my coach employed in training paid off here. He had us running killer session on a Saturday followed by a long run the next day so I had that feeling of running long with tiredness in my legs and I think it made a big difference, the hills around Cork didn't do any harm either :)

    I'm very happy with my strategy today, I learned a lot from my last experience and I'm glad to see myself making sensible decisions mid-race where previously I would have ignored conditions and chased my target. Fuel-wise I think I got it right. I took the dioralyte sachet shortly after an hour, a couple of sips of lucozade throughout and took water at each station though I perhaps should have taken on more water closer to the end as the heat intensified. This was an 8 minute PB so I'm in no way disappointed with that time all things considered. I'm back on track of progressing my marathon times and really looking forward to having a crack at a sub 2:40 in the future. When and where that will be I haven't yet decided but this episode hasn’t at all put me off the distance, if anything I'm hungrier for more.
    And Finally, this is the physical manifestation of pain :pac:
    yyt2u.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Excellent report, superb running and intelligent strategy throughout the race. You should definitely not be anything close to disappointed. Despite being slightly outside your pre-race target, I think you're actually capable of a much better time than the sub 2:45 you were aiming for. Yesterday was a really tough day (certainly the most difficult conditions I've ever run a marathon in), and getting to within a minute or two of your original goal is a really exceptional run. I think you'll see from the results that there were people who are even quicker than you missing out by 10+ minutes. Again that rams home how impressive your run was.
    Congratulations on a super PB and it's one I'm sure you'll hammer again next time out in more suitable conditions.

    *Bit disappointed not to meet you for a pint afterwards. Were you in the pub?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Excellent report, superb running and intelligent strategy throughout the race. You should definitely not be anything close to disappointed. Despite being slightly outside your pre-race target, I think you're actually capable of a much better time than the sub 2:45 you were aiming for. Yesterday was a really tough day (certainly the most difficult conditions I've ever run a marathon in), and getting to within a minute or two of your original goal is a really exceptional run. I think you'll see from the results that there were people who are even quicker than you missing out by 10+ minutes. Again that rams home how impressive your run was.
    Congratulations on a super PB and it's one I'm sure you'll hammer again next time out in more suitable conditions.

    *Bit disappointed not to meet you for a pint afterwards. Were you in the pub?

    Cheers man, appreciate the comments and fair play on your own result, very impressive time considering the conditions and lets not forget that little jog you had in Berlin a few weeks ago :)

    I was in McGrattans for about an hour or so afterwards, just outside in the beer garden. I had a walk through a few times to see if I recognised anyone, only found DR. This is the problem with being strangers on an internet forum :D Catch you next time hopefully


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Excellent performance, well done! Probably worth a 2.42 on another course on a good day.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    jebuz wrote: »
    I was in McGrattans for about an hour or so afterwards, just outside in the beer garden. I had a walk through a few times to see if I recognised anyone, only found DR. This is the problem with being strangers on an internet forum :D Catch you next time hopefully

    Yeah sorry, every time we saw you coming we just turned our backs and hoped for the best. ;)

    Nah was looking out for you, was out in the beer garden myself until maybe 2ish then went off to O'Donohues for a while so maybe just missed you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Super performance - well done. As always, a great read.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭MisterDrak


    Great race report jebuz, and well done.

    I was at mile 26, and seen you go past, and was struck with the pain and the condition of so many of the runners on the day.

    About a minute after you came through, this guy in a white top and red shorts does the "aeroplane" all over the place right down to the finish line. Funny but WTF ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Nah was looking out for you, was out in the beer garden myself until maybe 2ish then went off to O'Donohues for a while so maybe just missed you?

    Was down the lane at the side of the pub so that's probably why I missed you, thanks for the shout at the top of the hill, ideal vantage point to point and laugh :)
    Super performance - well done. As always, a great read.

    Cheers auld man :)
    pconn062 wrote: »
    Excellent performance, well done! Probably worth a 2.42 on another course on a good day.

    Thanks P, yeah hopefully I can keep the momentum now and in either Spring or Autumn next year I'll try get it closer or below to the 2:40 mark
    MisterDrak wrote: »
    Great race report jebuz, and well done.

    I was at mile 26, and seen you go past, and was struck with the pain and the condition of so many of the runners on the day.

    About a minute after you came through, this guy in a white top and red shorts does the "aeroplane" all over the place right down to the finish line. Funny but WTF ?

    Thanks! Sorry I didn't stay around to see that, he was either very happy to finish or had serious dehydration issues :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Great result Jebuz, I was out watching on the course watching the race and saw a hell of a lot of people in real distress ( not the usual distress that goes with the territory when you run a marathon either!), the weather just didn't play ball, great time and a great report. Well done


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    That's a great report. How the hell can you remember everything with such detail??!

    Super race, the amount of people that you passed from 30k says it all.
    Well done.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭paddybarry


    Savage running, I find it amazing you can do that pretty much on empty. I really enjoy reading your log.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Gavlor wrote: »
    That's a great report. How the hell can you remember everything with such detail??!

    Super race, the amount of people that you passed from 30k says it all.
    Well done.

    Cheers Gavlor, I think writing it down the next morning is the key, it's since been wiped from memory. What race?
    paddybarry wrote: »
    Savage running, I find it amazing you can do that pretty much on empty. I really enjoy reading your log.

    Thanks paddy, super run yourself. I think it's even more impressive that you hit your pre-race target which not many can say. A lot more to come from you I think!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    paddybarry wrote: »
    I really enjoy reading your log.

    +1
    I was only saying this to someone in the pub the other day (can't remember who). You're obviously a good runner, but your log always comes across that you thoroughly enjoy it, never let it get in the way of your life and you don't get down/depressed about the odd bad training run/session. It emphasises that you don't have to become a monk to be very quick.

    jebuz wrote: »
    Thanks paddy, super run yourself. I think it's even more impressive that you hit your pre-race target which not many can say. A lot more to come from you I think!

    +1 here too. Especially on his marathon debut. Really impressive running. I'm waiting hesistantly on this report. paddy.....?
    paddybarry wrote: »
    Savage running, I find it amazing you can do that pretty much on empty.

    What fuelling strategy did you end up using yourself paddy? I remember you saying you didn't fancy taking gels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 cgooner


    Great running jebuz.....tough day at the office and I had a similar target to yourself and a few others but with that weather it was never going to happen and I was happy to come in just under 2.45.

    Fantastic training log and I found it helpful with my own training to see all the ups and downs.....you'd a great year and no doubt there's plenty more to come.

    I run in cork city aswell so might see you for a few runs in the next training block! Enjoy a few weeks off


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭paddybarry


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    +1
    I was only saying this to someone in the pub the other day (can't remember who). You're obviously a good runner, but your log always comes across that you thoroughly enjoy it, never let it get in the way of your life and you don't get down/depressed about the odd bad training run/session. It emphasises that you don't have to become a monk to be very quick.




    +1 here too. Especially on his marathon debut. Really impressive running. I'm waiting hesistantly on this report. paddy.....?



    What fuelling strategy did you end up using yourself paddy? I remember you saying you didn't fancy taking gels.
    I took a gel at mile 11, 16 and 20.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    So that's 2 weeks of rest and recovery. I feel so fat *runs off crying*

    Time to get back to it this week with an eye on the Waterford 1/2 in 4 weeks. It's not a goal race, moreso one to be enjoyed but that's not to say I won't be on the hunt for a PB. I hope to get a couple of sessions in this week and gradually build back up the milage over December. I've already signed up for Rotterdam in April as there's a good contingent of club members heading over, all gunning for sub 2:40 or better so I figure training with them can only help my chances of a sub 2:40.

    Anyway quick summary of the last 2 weeks

    Tues 28/10 OFF
    Wed 29/10 OFF
    Thurs 30/10 OFF
    Fri 31/10 OFF
    Sat 01/11 OFF
    Sun 02/11 5 miles

    Mon 03/11 6 miles
    Tues 04/11 8 miles
    Wed 05/11 OFF
    Thurs 06/11 6 miles
    Fri 07/11 4.5 miles
    Sat 08/11 6 miles
    Sun 09/11 OFF


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