Garda Chase on the Mallow road...

hoodwinked

13 garda cars apparently in pursuit of a white van,

this city is getting worse lately for crime, yet we can have 13 garda cars on a car chase through the county?????

am i the only one who thinks this is crazy???

http://www.redfm.ie/news/garda-struck-white-van-mallow-road/

lolosaur

yes.

hoodwinked

lolosaur wrote: »

yes.

really? you don't think 13 cars is dangerous and a bit much? :eek:

Dtp1979

hoodwinked wrote: »

really? you don't think 13 cars is dangerous and a bit much? :eek:

A bit American if you ask me

mattser

When it's 13 white vans chasing a Garda car I'll start to panic a bit.

sopretty

Was that every garda car in the county??

HeidiHeidi

How many of those 13 cars are now on the back of tow wagons after the chase? They don't line 13 cars up and shout "GO", cars will join in as others lose the target or get rammed (which at least one van and one bike (with the biker still on it :eek:) were, according to report on RTE1 just now).

Well done the observant Garda who spotted the van in the first place.

hoodwinked

well there is more information here:
http://corkindependent.com/20140418/news/two-men-arrested-after-high-speed-garda-chase-S82822.html


at least nobody was seriously injured.

Oafley Jones

hoodwinked wrote: »

really? you don't think 13 cars is dangerous and a bit much? :eek:

Maybe they should have had a lad on bicycle asking if they wouldn't mind pulling over.

jimgoose

Sounds like a job well done to me. Fair moxy to the Rozzers. :cool:

confusedeire

there's 13 squad cars in cork that work?

AugustusMinimus

13 squad cars ?

I'm guessing the white van must have been speeding ?

shnaek

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

13 squad cars ?

I'm guessing the white van must have been speeding ?

I heard it was lack of an NCT.

whisky_galore

The guards were tipped off when it left the Vienna Woods after robbing them of alcohol.

Shame about the smart ass comments, wonder how many here could potentially get killed in their line of work like the motorcyle cop who was hit?

rcdk1

Met that w@nker on the Douglas Rd, had a lucky enough escape. I was outbound and had just come through the lights at the Opel garage when he came against me on my side of the road, passing out 3 or 4 cars on his side. Luckily it was just at the point were the road widens out by the petrol station and I was able to pull over.

Hope he gets the **** kicked out of him in the cells prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

yenom

A white van? It's part of their culture.

Dtp1979

shnaek wrote: »

I heard it was lack of an NCT.

DOE for vans

Dtp1979

Was it caught yet?

rovoagho

whisky_galore wrote: »

The guards were tipped off when it left the Vienna Woods after robbing them of alcohol.

Shame about the smart ass comments, wonder how many here could potentially get killed in their line of work like the motorcyle cop who was hit?

Yeah, potential death is the worst kind.

Bacchus

rovoagho wrote: »

Yeah, potential death is the worst kind.

No, 'actual death' is the worst kind. THEN it's potential death, which, as the guy you quoted pointed out, is something the Gardai face a lot more than most people.

Fair play to the Gardai for catching the scumbags. Bad enough robbing the Vienna Woods (lovely place & lovely staff) but to be so reckless in their attempts to evade the law is shocking, they could have caused a lot more harm. Hope the Garda injured recovers well.

Milly33

How did it take 13 cars to catch a white van..You think the cars would win all round..Glad to hear the guard is ok

zetalambda

hoodwinked wrote: »

13 garda cars apparently in pursuit of a white van,

this city is getting worse lately for crime, yet we can have 13 garda cars on a car chase through the county?????

am i the only one who thinks this is crazy???

http://www.redfm.ie/news/garda-struck-white-van-mallow-road/

No, the two guys involved probably agree with you.

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Maybe they should have had a lad on bicycle asking if they wouldn't mind pulling over.

I actually saw a Garda on a mountain bike pull over a car near Stillorgan a few years back.

bladebrew

It didn't say they held up the hotel though, it said on breakingnews.ie that it was noticed a quantity of alcohol was missing! It sounds very amateur, not sure how it seems to be a joke on here though, it could have ended in something far worse,

Red Nissan

bladebrew wrote: »

it could have ended in something far worse,

The facts in this case I believe have been embellished by confusion, shock and assumptions upon encountering the unexpected.

sopretty

bladebrew wrote: »

It didn't say they held up the hotel though, it said on breakingnews.ie that it was noticed a quantity of alcohol was missing! It sounds very amateur, not sure how it seems to be a joke on here though, it could have ended in something far worse,

Indeed. They could have been drinking the proceeds en-route!

Seriously - 13 cars/vans and they put the poor f*cker on the bike out to stop him?

The Maverick

sopretty wrote: »

Indeed. They could have been drinking the proceeds en-route!

Seriously - 13 cars/vans and they put the poor f*cker on the bike out to stop him?

The bike was holding back traffic to prevent it entering the van's path, not directly trying to stop the van.

Some of the attitudes here are bit strange, people are giving out about the guards actually trying to stop a crime. I didn't realise there are so many police pursuit experts on boards.ie who know the correct number of vehicles to use in a chase.

Atlantis50

hoodwinked wrote: »

13 garda cars apparently in pursuit of a white van,

this city is getting worse lately for crime, yet we can have 13 garda cars on a car chase through the county?????

am i the only one who thinks this is crazy???

http://www.redfm.ie/news/garda-struck-white-van-mallow-road/

What's crazy is those scumbags who are 'known to Gardai' (meaing they have a list of convictions as long as your arm) driving into a motorcycle Garda (seriously injuring him) which is attempted murder to my mind.

And here you are - not on here to condemn the scumbags that did it but nitpick over the Garda response.

And yes, 13 units in pursuit is an appropriate response to follow a van that has run over a motorcycle Garda, rammed a Garda van and put the lives of members of the public in danger with their dangerous and reckless driving.

pwurple

Milly33 wrote: »

Glad to hear the guard is ok

I don't think the guard is ok. He is in hospital with serious injuries.

hoodwinked

Atlantis50 wrote: »

What's crazy is those scumbags who are 'known to Gardai' (meaing they have a list of convictions as long as your arm) driving into a motorcycle Garda (seriously injuring him) which is attempted murder to my mind.

And here you are - not on here to condemn the scumbags that did it but nitpick over the Garda response.

And yes, 13 units in pursuit is an appropriate response to follow a van that has run over a motorcycle Garda, rammed a Garda van and put the lives of members of the public in danger with their dangerous and reckless driving.

woah don't get me wrong i completely condemn the scumbags that did this but do i also think 13 vehicles chasing 1 van on the mallow road is excessive with other scumbags running riot in the streets of cork and stabbing people? yes! it would take half of that to surround the van and a quarter of the 13 to barricade the road!

thats not including the other gardaí on bikes, one of whom who unfortunately got hurt and i hope he is ok. but yes to me it seems crazy there would be that kind of response to this and yet when someone is stabbed or attacked on the main streets of our main city not a squad car or garda on a bike to be seen.

hoodwinked

pwurple wrote: »

I don't think the guard is ok. He is in hospital with serious injuries.

all the media outlets were reporting he was ok i hope they didn't get it wrong

rovoagho

Indeed. What's your source for that pwurple?

pwurple

The 13 vehicles weren't all chasing the van in some sort of crazy headless chicken caper. They were involved in closing roads, preventing other cars getting in its way etc. they were using stinger strips, which means they had to have cars getting ahead and parking at the side of the road waiting for the van to pass.

The van stole alcohol from vienna woods. They were apparantly blotto, driving at speed around the place, on the wrong side of the road. Managed to sideswipe three cars on parnell place i think? First priority was to prevent some member of the public getting killed. Which they did.

pwurple

rovoagho wrote: »

Indeed. What's your source for that pwurple?

Um, Rte bloody news. He's been seriously injured and is in hospital. Not what I would call "ok".

jimgoose

hoodwinked wrote: »

all the media outlets were reporting he was ok i hope they didn't get it wrong

Various media described his injuries as "serious but not life-threatening".

WHL

I might be in a minority but I fully agree with pwurple here. I had the same thoughts - you need many vehicles to ensure public safety, use stingers etc. The motorcycle Garda was doing exactly this when he was injured. It said on the news that he had serious but not life-threatening injuries. It still sounds like they might be life-changing and that a 35 year person going about their work might not be able to return for a long period. Think of his wife and young family. I have to feel for them here and hope for a full recovery. I don't know him and I have no connection to the gardai

Thundering_Sky

i was driving by the site of the accident and saw the motorcycle he was driving, it was very badly damaged, i was relived to hear the Garda was still alive because honestly the bike was so badly damaged I didn't think he'd be ok.

hoodwinked

pwurple wrote: »

The 13 vehicles weren't all chasing the van in some sort of crazy headless chicken caper. They were involved in closing roads, preventing other cars getting in its way etc. they were using stinger strips, which means they had to have cars getting ahead and parking at the side of the road waiting for the van to pass.

nope the eye witness said that it was the way it happened, it wasn't 13 cars on the scene, there were 13 cars just chasing the van, behind it, not in front not keeping people safe there were other cars and bikes and vans doing that.

hoodwinked

jimgoose wrote: »

Various media described his injuries as "serious but not life-threatening".

i suppose it depends on what they mean by serious, like i would consider a broken arm to be a serious but not life threatening injury,

i really hope he is ok, either way from the papers today it's looking like he was very brave! fair play to him we need more gardaí like him, and i hope he recovers soon...

bladebrew

Here is a link mentioning the injuries, the two are in court, they will more than likely be charged with feck all as seems to happen a lot in irish courts!
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/two-due-in-court-following-high-speed-chase-in-cork-628270.html
The Garda has back, rib and neck injuries after the accident, it's not unusual to have a large number of vehicles chasing one person, and if they have actually rammed at least two Garda already they need to be stopped, not a waste of resources at all I don't think,

pwurple

I guess by "ok" you meant "not dead" then? I thought you meant unharmed.

Anyway, i would hope they get charged with attempted murder. Fat chance I suppose, but that's what I would take ramming someone off a motorcycle to be.

rovoagho

In point of fact it would be attempted manslaughter, unless you think the (apparently quite stupid) muppet responsible has been /planning/ to kill the Garda.

If you're going to continue to be alarmist, at least /try/ to be accurate. Or get a job with the Star, they'd love you.

evilivor

rovoagho wrote: »

In point of fact it would be attempted manslaughter, unless you think the (apparently quite stupid) muppet responsible has been /planning/ to kill the Garda.

If you're going to continue to be alarmist, at least /try/ to be accurate. Or get a job with the Star, they'd love you.

Or the Irish Times…



Gardaí corned the van after it went on to the old Killeens road. Both the driver and passenger, who are aged 28 and 27 and from the Fairhill area of Cork, were arrested and taken to Gurranebraher Garda station for questioning.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tributes-paid-to-garda-who-helped-save-lives-during-high-speed-chase-1.1767200

kub

Oh dear i have a feeling that the courts are not going to give these guys the kind of sentence they deserve.

But then that is not surprising in this country.

pwurple

rovoagho wrote: »

In point of fact it would be attempted manslaughter, unless you think the (apparently quite stupid) muppet responsible has been /planning/ to kill the Garda.

Depends whether they deliberately ran him down or not. If you take aim and try to mow down gardai (and it sounds like they had a go at a few of them) then I'd call it intentional.

pwurple

rovoagho wrote: »

If you're going to continue to be alarmist, at least /try/ to be accurate. Or get a job with the Star, they'd love you.

Several mainstream links to the man being injured have been posted, what are you going on about?

BurnsCarpenter

rovoagho wrote: »

In point of fact it would be attempted manslaughter, unless you think the (apparently quite stupid) muppet responsible has been /planning/ to kill the Garda.

If you're going to continue to be alarmist, at least /try/ to be accurate. Or get a job with the Star, they'd love you.

Isn't 'attempted manslaughter' an oxymoron? If he deliberately drove at him I'd say attempted murder would be about right, even if it wasn't premeditated. Plenty of people in prison for murder even if it was a spur of the moment decision. Manslaughter means you didn't intend to kill, not that you didn't 'plan' to kill. Would be hard to argue that was the case if you drive at someone at high speed deliberately (no idea if that was the case here obviously.)

bladebrew

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/two-remanded-in-custody-in-connection-with-high-speed-pursuit-628300.html

They are both reminded in custody, they said sorry and all the clowns, they should be dropped into the river,

Greenmachine

Hope the garda is okay. They could have killed him and put countless other people in danger.

evilivor

kub wrote: »

Oh dear i have a feeling that the courts are not going to give these guys the kind of sentence they deserve.

But then that is not surprising in this country.

They haven't been convicted of anything in relation to to it yet.

STEINBERG

hoodwinked wrote: »

13 garda cars apparently in pursuit of a white van,

this city is getting worse lately for crime, yet we can have 13 garda cars on a car chase through the county?????

am i the only one who thinks this is crazy???

http://www.redfm.ie/news/garda-struck-white-van-mallow-road/

Well the problem is,, if it was one Guarda car and the chase went on until somebody else got hurt or got killed,, the first thing people would be moaning about is where were all the Guarda!!!!

hoodwinked

STEINBERG wrote: »

Well the problem is,, if it was one Guarda car and the chase went on until somebody else got hurt or got killed,, the first thing people would be moaning about is where were all the Guarda!!!!

ah i understand that too, i mean 3 or 4 giving chase surely would be enough?, with the others maybe trying to block/keep the oncoming traffic safe as opposed to sending the guys on bikes to do that i'd get, i just thought it was crazy to have 13 in pursuit of one van, when surely they could have sent half off to do something else,