Issue with Soccer Forum

LuckyLloyd

Hi,

We are unable to question moderating decisions on thread and I am aware of some unfruitful PM conversations that have seen some users banned so, as such, I am raising the issue here.

Some of the Liverpool regulars have taken to posting Panda .gifs out of excitement at an unbelievable turn of fortunes in the football world. .gifs that are not strictly on topic get posted from time to time. While images that are NSFW should obviously be prohibited, why exactly are long term poster being infracted and banned because they want to make some lighthearted jokes?

As I say, we cannot discuss the matter on the forum so I'm hoping we can get some explanation here.

LuckyLloyd

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No pandas in this one at least....

http://i.imgur.com/cgVoI81.gif

Or this one...

http://media.giphy.com/media/LSQZdanILs1ji/giphy.gif

For example, I DO think there's an obvious problem with .gifs of this nature as it is not safe for work content...

Admin: NSFW images changed to links.

Chucky the tree

**** you lloyd.

Turtyturd

Can mods be infracted as with regular posters?

5starpool

The problems in the recent match thread, although featuring some panda content, were not in any way related to it. It seems pretty random that the posting of all panda content (not a sentence I thought I'd ever write) is banned.

The original problem was related to discussing a particular poster in not positive terms, and while this was rightly outlawed, the over the top application of it which has seen subsequent excited panda gifs posted being deleted is just needless and OTT.

Not the most important topic in the world, but it could lead to bigger problems over this item being so heavy handedly dealt with imo.

Turtyturd

And why was the link to this deleted?

Knex*

The moderation of the match thread was extremely excessive, I believe. What's with us not being able to refer to ourselves as Match Thread Saps, something that has been an in thread LFC joke for weeks now?

The first inflammatory post in that thread was ironically as a result of the Mod post. Prior to that, everything was good natured, harmless, and ultimately just a bit of fun.

If needed, when I have time tomorrow I can write up a proper post and perhaps dig up some examples. That's if these matters are actually going to be addressed rather than shoved under the carpet and cards shown again, which seems to be the ethos in the SF right now, regardless of the quality of poster involved.

Its actually all a little surreal, really.

OwaynOTT

It's not only the prohibition on pandas but the clamp down on some posters referring to themselves as saps seems a bit much.
I cannot see why it has caused so much fuss, it's a harmless joke that a few posters use to describe themselves and as one of the poster who does this, it is not being aimed at anyone.
I got an infraction for it and in the 4 years I have been posting here I have never caused any ruckus nor got into spates with other posters.
Getting called moronic and spouting vitriol about the hillsborough disaster warrants the same level of moderation as posting a harmless panda picture and calling oneself a sap.

LuckyLloyd

Turtyturd wrote: »

And why was the link to this deleted?

I am a bit shocked at that myself. I have also received an infraction for linking to this thread.

Knex*

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I am a bit shocked at that myself. I have also received an infraction for linking to this thread.

So the issue just gets extended, rather than dealt with. Exactly what I was on about with my post above.

billy2012

No panda's, no jokes about Chelsea!!

googled eyes

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I am a bit shocked at that myself. I have also received an infraction for linking to this thread.

You were done for linking your own thread? :eek:

But how can we have a debate if you can't let people know about it?

5starpool

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I am a bit shocked at that myself. I have also received an infraction for linking to this thread.

Might be better for Opr's sanity that he has been perm banned from the soccer forum as a result this issue, although his choice of words, like your own in the past was not exactly good.

Posters like him will be missed though, especially when it comes down to a clash of personalities.

Knex*

googled eyes wrote: »

You were done for linking your own thread? :eek:

But how can we have a debate if you can't let people know about it?

It would appear that there is no interest in debate. Shame. Its not a nice feeling to lose faith in forum that you enjoy.

Kerrigooney

5starpool wrote: »

Might be better for Opr's sanity that he has been perm banned from the soccer forum as a result this issue, although his choice of words, like your own in the past was not exactly good.

Posters like him will be missed though, especially when it comes down to a clash of personalities.

Surely he hasn't been perma banned? Jesus suffering christ this place is beyond a joke now.

Thanx 4 The Fish

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I am a bit shocked at that myself. I have also received an infraction for linking to this thread.

That is not true Lloyd. You were warned for questioning mod decisions on thread. Calling the bans that were handed out ridiculous is a clear breach of the charter as written. The fact that you raised a feedback thread did not earn you the warning.

Grayditch

The soccer forum is serious business in my life. I don't use boards.ie for entertainment purposes, so less of the fool acting would be appreciated.

The amalgamation of ones and zeros, forming pages of content affect my reality in such a way that it defines, not only my mood but, my very well being on a day to day basis.

So a panda joke went on for an entire day. Stamp it out, is my stance. Childish behaviour and an...


OK, I can't keep this up longer. I've seen soccer mods 'get in on' wrestling jokes on the soccer forum. And I mean pages of the ****e. I think wrestling is gash. I think the panda joke thing was gash. I didn't complain about either, cause I'm a grown ass man, but I'd straight up love to hear why all those poxy wrestling jokes, references, videos, pics and gifs are allowed and panda ones are not.

Cheers.

LuckyLloyd

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

That is not true Lloyd. You were warned for questioning mod decisions on thread. Calling the bans that were handed out ridiculous is a clear breach of the charter as written. The fact that you raised a feedback thread did not earn you the warning.

The warning is under dispute, I disagree with your position. Cheers.

brevity

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Surely he hasn't been perma banned? Jesus suffering christ this place is beyond a joke now.

Nah, a month ban.

It's really rather strange what's happening re: Pandagate. An awful lot worse has appeared on the soccer form other than a few gifs of cute furry animals.

Thanx 4 The Fish

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The warning is under dispute, I disagree with your position. Cheers.

But you are purposely misrepresenting the case to serve your own ends. You were warned for that reason, not for the feedback thread. That is a fact, I know, I warned you, if it is found that your post was not questioning mods decisions on thread by a Cmod/Admin then it will be overturned.

Kerrigooney

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

But you are purposely misrepresenting the case to serve your own ends. You were warned for that reason, not for the feedback thread. That is a fact, I know, I warned you, if it is found that your post was not questioning mods decisions on thread by a Cmod/Admin then it will be overturned.

If you deleted Lloyd's link to this thread can I post a link to it in the Liverpool thread or will that be also deleted and if so,why?

NukaCola

Was told to piss off by a poster. No infraction. Not really bothered, so i just let it go. But then we get lads being carded for harmless stuff. So inconsistant.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89211198&postcount=7590

glued

Has anything constructive ever been done as a result of a feedback thread?

This isn't really a feedback forum. It's more of a 'oh great you have constructive criticism? Well let me tell you exactly how we don't give a crap and get back in your box'

These threads usually last a couple of pages with some ambiguous defence of the sites stance of a particular issue and then it's let continue for a couple of hours and then it's locked.

There is something seriously wrong with the moderation on the soccer forum and it's become a horrible place to post in.

LuckyLloyd

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

But you are purposely misrepresenting the case to serve your own ends. You were warned for that reason, not for the feedback thread. That is a fact, I know, I warned you, if it is found that your post was not questioning mods decisions on thread by a Cmod/Admin then it will be overturned.

I think you know it is inappropriate to discuss the warning here. I contest the bolded also, and you are aware that it has been raised up the Sports CMod team. This thread is not to discuss that but the wider issue as per the OP. Cheers.

Thanx 4 The Fish

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I think you know it is inappropriate to discuss the warning here. I contest the bolded also, and you are aware that it has been raised up the Sports CMod team. This thread is not to discuss that but the wider issue as per the OP. Cheers.

I don't believe so. You brought it up and misrepresented the facts, had you not done so, I would not have commented on it.

LuckyLloyd

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

I don't believe so. You brought it up and misrepresented the facts, had you not done so, I would not have commented on it.

Your opinion is not a fact. Cheers.

Knex*

Kerrigooney wrote: »

If you deleted Lloyd's link to this thread can I post a link to it in the Liverpool thread or will that be also deleted and if so,why?

So are we getting an answer on this then, or are we dragging the thread off topic (rather ironically), with something that Lloyd has already stated as being discussed elsewhere.

darced

This post has been deleted.

Thanx 4 The Fish

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Your opinion is not a fact. Cheers.

No, in this case it is. I know why I warned you, I believe you breached the charter.

Whether or not my interpretation of the post is upheld by a Cmod/Admin as a breach of the charter may be up for debate, but my reason for doing so isn't.

Penny Tration

glued wrote: »

Has anything constructive ever been done as a result of a feedback thread?

This isn't really a feedback forum. It's more of a 'oh great you have constructive criticism? Well let me tell you exactly how we don't give a crap and get back in your box'

These threads usually last a couple of pages with some ambiguous defence of the sites stance of a particular issue and then it's let continue for a couple of hours and then it's locked.

There is something seriously wrong with the moderation on the soccer forum and it's become a horrible place to post in.

Plenty of good has come from threads in feedback. The most recent one I can think of off the top of my head is the crackdown on rape and sexist jokes in AH, after a long, fairly heated feedback thread.

But if (I haven't noseyed in the Soccer forum for months) the assertion that the OP is deliberately misrepresenting points is correct, it can make it more difficult to take everything that's said seriously, even if the points have merit.

Liam O

The Panda banning I think is excessive, nothing overly malicious about it. Though I think an issue was that they were being used in response to posts about BNMC. A group of posters going into match threads with an agenda (while some do take it in the light hearted nature it's intended and only do it in Liverpool's threads) that spreads into other team's match threads is ridiculous. For all the moaning ye all do about BNMC there's a group of Liverpool fans doing similar things all season, and indeed last season in every United thread. A mod tried to stop it and a group of people ignored it and acted like spoilt kids. Only when it was locked and reopened was there some order to it.

hefferboi

The modding in the SF is a joke tbh. So inconsistent and looks like its agenda driven. Personally, I haven't been infracted in a while but I've seen some cards and bans handed out for very very little and then other times there's obvious trolls looking for a rise and nothing. The banning of the pandas is so pointless, why even bother banning it? It's just the straw that broke the camels back.

efb

What does panda gifs add to football debate? Just breeds cliquish and clannish behaviour

Thanx 4 The Fish

It will not be long before the Soccer forum feedback thread appears where all members of the soccer forum can air their views and suggest improvements or changes. I cannot see any issue with a feedback thread and if it were posted without calling out specific instances of moderation and calling them ridiculous then I am not against it.

Two questions I have:

1. Does a post have to be reported to be acted on?

2. Why do some mods delete inappropraite posts while others card people for them?


Neither are a pop at moderation but genuinely interested to know

LuckyLloyd

green_screen wrote: »

Plenty of good has come from threads in feedback. The most recent one I can think of off the top of my head is the crackdown on rape and sexist jokes in AH, after a long, fairly heated feedback thread.

But if (I haven't noseyed in the Soccer forum for months) the assertion that the OP is deliberately misrepresenting points is correct, it can make it more difficult to take everything that's said seriously, even if the points have merit.

The OP relates to the issue of Panda .gifs being prohibited and their posting being currently adjudged as a card on site by the soccer mod team. The warning I received for a post which contained a link to this feedback thread (post is now deleted) and the reasons for that warning should not be discussed here and will be dealt with via the DRP process.

5starpool

Specific cases are not going to be allowed to be discussed here, which is fair enough, but on the topic at hand, things like panda gifs/pics are just really harmless fun, and this is the type of clampdown that just breed stupider rules and get people infracted or banned for their own reactions to being powerless to discuss or argue things.

I can see one of 2 outcomes here.

1. Sense prevails and as long as they are not linked to talking about other posters or breaking other rules, mods decide that there is no harm in things like this.
2. There is an overadjustment and all off topic gifs, references, discussions, etc are banned from superthreads hwich breeds resentment, leads to bans/infractions being handed out, but eventually normality returns and we go back more or less to where we were anyhow, but minus some posters.

I know which option is more palatable to me. The third option I didn;t mention of course is an admin locking saying this isn't to be discussed here.

hefferboi

Liam O wrote: »

The Panda banning I think is excessive, nothing overly malicious about it. Though I think an issue was that they were being used in response to posts about BNMC. A group of posters going into match threads with an agenda (while some do take it in the light hearted nature it's intended and only do it in Liverpool's threads) that spreads into other team's match threads is ridiculous. For all the moaning ye all do about BNMC there's a group of Liverpool fans doing similar things all season, and indeed last season in every United thread. A mod tried to stop it and a group of people ignored it and acted like spoilt kids. Only when it was locked and reopened was there some order to it.

He's one of the worst from any of the SF regular posters this season, though. He not only posts bile about LFC in the SF but in AH as well which is going to extreme's. How he hasn't seen a lengthy ban before today is mind boggling.

OwaynOTT

The sad thing is, the pandas were only a fad and would have died by today I'd say.

Hangballlouie

efb wrote: »

What does panda gifs add to football debate? Just breeds cliquish and clannish behaviour

What does talking about footballers looks add to football debate? Not trying to have a go here but a lot of the stuff posted in SF is bollix and that's why it can be a great place to post.

LuckyLloyd

efb wrote: »

What does panda gifs add to football debate? Just breeds cliquish and clannish behaviour

Why do WWE gifs add to football debate?

You will never have universal consensus on the comedic merits of anything. Maybe the outcome of this will be a strict no gifs policy on the forum, but that would seem to be unneccesary?

Knex*

hefferboi wrote: »

The modding in the SF is a joke tbh. So inconsistent and looks like its agenda driven. Personally, I haven't been infracted in a while but I've seen some cards and bans handed out for very very little and then other times there's obvious trolls looking for a rise and nothing. The banning of the pandas is so pointless, why even bother banning it? It's just the straw that broke the camels back.

I actually didn't mind banning the Panda gifs from the match thread, as there are City fans/posters, and neutrals, etc, who want to enjoy that thread who would have been extremely lost as to what was going on.

Banning the calling of oneself a sap, was the straw for me. I never thought I'd have to write a sentence like that either. Surreal.

It shows the good natured humour of our thread, that someone called us match thread saps once, and we took it as a laugh and used it as some kind of badge of honour. We had been regularly joking about it for weeks, and then suddenly, a mod who didn't understand the reference/joke, decided they didn't like it so they would put it in bold not to do it, and that was that.

Seems a little silly to go down the route of then banning specific types of animal featuring gifs in the LFC thread. Utterly bizarre, and you can't honestly make me believe that someone thinks that this is a plausible route to go down. The only way to moderate it would be an all or nothing approach.

Either no images allowed (ridiculous option, really), or let it be as is. NSFW gifs being banned is obviously not something I'd dispute. That's spot on.

hefferboi

efb wrote: »

What does panda gifs add to football debate? Just breeds cliquish and clannish behaviour

It's a bit of craic. Not every post has to be a serious debate about football related matters.

Will I Amnt

The match thread was ridiculous before it got locked. Childish nonsense and nothing to do with football.
There is leeway shown in club specific threads for that kind of thing, spoiling a thread for a game of that magnitude, where the rest of the forum would be involved and not privy to in-jokes is a different story.

I think the soccer forum has got out of hand lately and badly needs its own feedback thread sooner rather than later.
I've discussed it with a Cmod already and was told it might be late this year due to the World Cup, I'd hope this is reconsidered.

Knex*

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The match thread was ridiculous before it got locked. Childish nonsense and nothing to do with football.
There is leeway shown in club specific threads for that kind of thing, spoiling a thread for a game of that magnitude, where the rest of the forum would be involved and not privy to in-jokes is a different story.

I think the soccer forum has got out of hand lately and badly needs its own feedback thread sooner rather than later.
I've discussed it with a Cmod already and was told it might be late this year due to the World Cup, I'd hope this is reconsidered.

Said much of the above in my own post.

I do think the carding, instead of just a warning by PM, or whatever, was excessive for the nature of the posts, however.

Liam O

hefferboi wrote: »

He's one of the worst from any of the SF regular posters this season, though. He not only posts bile about LFC in the SF but in AH as well which is going to extreme's. How he hasn't seen a lengthy ban before today is mind boggling.

I agree actually, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of Liverpool (and probably some other United) fans have been doing similar for years, for some reason now, even some of the people who do it in United threads suddenly see it for the problem that it is in that it just gets people banned for complaining about the baiting and crap that they post.

Liamalone

Is it cos Pandas are black?

Well, mainly black.

Knex*

Liam O wrote: »

I agree actually, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of Liverpool (and probably some other United) fans have been doing similar for years, for some reason now, even some of the people who do it in United threads suddenly see it for the problem that it is in that it just gets people banned for complaining about the baiting and crap that they post.

The issue here lies with reviewing incidents on a singular post merit, and not a body of work.

Allows obvious wind ups to hide behind the charter, and then any questioning of said posters, or referencing them, results in overall respectable posters getting the infractions.

I think a lot of the frustration among the forum stems from this, really. Mods aren't allowed use common sense, and say, "Look, you haven't strictly broken one of the rules, but you're being an obvious dick, and you have many deliberately provocative posts to show for it".

Their hands, I believe, are somewhat tied in this regard, and the Forum won't improve until its changed.

captainkeg

Lads, some of ye have been here before and ye know the answer.

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PS scary how much a little sniff of power (however pathetically small) can tip some people over the edge

mike65

Can I just say absolutely HATE repeat HATE gifs with a passion you people could hardly believe - they slow down my interweb and clog up the browser like crazy.

I'd like to see them banned outright for good on the football forum.

yours, in exile.

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

Can I just say absolutely HATE repeat HATE gifs with a passion you people could hardly believe - they slow down my interweb and clog up the browser like crazy.

I'd like to see them banned outright for good on the football forum.

yours, in exile.

Ism't there a way to turn them off for a user or did I dream that?