Dublin-Cork

Diabhal Beag

0-01 to 2-02 to Cark after 7 minutes.

Diabhal Beag

Hurley is getting behind the fullbacks a lot. Lot more goals in this.

Hammer Archer

Cork playing some great football.
Massive mistake from Cluxton for the second goal.

Hammer Archer

I've asked before, but can anyone clarify the rules on the distance a goal kick has to go to be legal. Just after Cork's point there, Cluxton kicked the ball maybe 9 or 10 metres to a Dublin defender and wasn't called up on it. I was of the opinion that the ball must travel at least 14 yards (13 metres) to be a legal kickout.

Moneymaker

I feared we'd take a battering today.

Cork are going to take some stopping.

Boom__Boom

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I've asked before, but can anyone clarify the rules on the distance a goal kick has to go to be legal. Just after Cork's point there, Cluxton kicked the ball maybe 9 or 10 metres to a Dublin defender and wasn't called up on it. I was of the opinion that the ball must travel at least 14 yards (13 metres) to be a legal kickout.

Pretty sure it's not about how far the ball travels, it's about where the player is when the ball is kicked.

Has to be outside the 13m line when the ball is kicked but can receive it at any distance.

Nearly sure that's it.

It's one of those technical ones that refs don't actually bother with ; and if a ref should ever perchance blow for it, it will only ever be once in a game. You will never ever ever see a ref pull in twice in a game.

Dublin looking anemic enough.

Hurley doing wreck

Whoever is supposed to be marking Gould is having a laugh - being given the freedom of the park.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I've asked before, but can anyone clarify the rules on the distance a goal kick has to go to be legal. Just after Cork's point there, Cluxton kicked the ball maybe 9 or 10 metres to a Dublin defender and wasn't called up on it. I was of the opinion that the ball must travel at least 14 yards (13 metres) to be a legal kickout.

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2012_Part2.pdf

2.7 (a) When the ball is played over the end-line by
the team attacking that end, play is restarted
by a kick-out off the ground from within the
small rectangle. The player taking a kick-out
may kick the ball more than once before any
other player touches it but may not take the
ball into his hand(s). If the goalkeeper is not
taking the kick-out, he shall stay in the small
rectangle, and all other players except the
player taking the kick-out shall be outside the
20m line until the ball has been kicked. The
ball shall travel 13m before being played by
another player of the defending team.
(b) After a score, the kick-out shall be taken
from the ground on the 20m line in front of
the scoring space. All players, except the
goalkeeper and the player taking the kick-out
(if other than the goalkeeper), shall be outside
the 20m line. All other players shall be 13m
from the ball until it has been kicked.
(c) The Player taking the kick-out after the ball
goes wide or a score shall have the option of
using a standard tee as approved by Central
Council.

It is a little worrying that this is it is taken from the GAA website and is the first result when you type "Gaelic football rules" into google but to me seems to be out of date as all kickouts are taken from the 14 yard line today and not alternating from the small square and 21 like they used.

Dyr

Is it just me or has MDMA been playing some shocking football so far this year?

DDC1990

Alan Brogan clearly has something in his ear.

Like a communication device.

Cork struggling against the Dublin waves of attack now.

Hammer Archer

What on earth has happened to Cork? 10 points up in the second half and 2 points down now.

Hammer Archer

Penalty to Dublin. Should only be a free though. Challenge was well outside the box.

John Cherry

Come on you boys in blue

DDC1990

Referee lost the plot altogether.

Cork have got nothing.

No love for Cork, but they have been shafted this half by the referee.

Same referee didn't know the rules in the Kerry Mayo game.

Disgrace that he was offered a game like this.

Well done to the Dubs for their comeback.

Have been absolutely dominant.

Deserved win for Dublin with their second half.

Gavin is a tactical genius.

yomtea98

What a joke. How did we let it slip?

yomtea98

Ref was terrible too. How can you win with officiating like that?

John Cherry

Might as well hand Sam over to us now

Going to be a walk in the park for us this year

DDC1990

Gavin dropped an extra man back to cover the space in front of Hurley.

Dublin hammered them around the middle.

Will be an interesting final

Moneymaker

Where did that come from!

Well done lads, some 2nd half.

Diabhal Beag

Fantastic football from Dublin in the 2nd. Alan Brogan was superb.

John Cherry

John Cherry wrote: »

Might as well hand Sam over to us now

Going to be a walk in the park for us this year

Whoa there....way too early for that yet. Championship a different animal altogether. You have a huge chance ill admit but its just too early too predict anything.

dats_right

Cork's AI hopes will have been seriously dented by that result, even if they don't admit it even to themselves. It's one thing been beaten by a point or two in a close game but another thing entirely to be destroyed in that fashion.

Cork were 10 points up at one stage and ended up losing by 7. Cork must have went 25 mins without scoring in the 2nd half. They were devoid of any response and will find that they will be psychologically scarred as a team. Any notion or confidence that they may have built up since the change of management that they can beat Dublin will be shattered. It's a reality check for them and they'll know that they don't have what it takes to beat this Dublin team this year.

dats_right

dats_right wrote: »

Cork's AI hopes will have been seriously dented by that result, even if they don't admit it even to themselves. It's one thing been beaten by a point or two in a close game but another thing entirely to be destroyed in that fashion.

Cork were 10 points up at one stage and ended up losing by 7. Cork must have went 25 mins without scoring in the 2nd half. They were devoid of any response and will find that they will be psychologically scarred as a team. Any notion or confidence that they may have built up since the change of management that they can beat Dublin will be shattered. It's a reality check for them and they'll know that they don't have what it takes to beat this Dublin team this year.

Cork will learn from this most importantly in the same way Dublin learned from their collapse in the league final ironically against Cork back in 2007 (Edit) 2011. Still a young team they have plenty of time to react in a proactive manner and with a new manager this will give them food for thought.

Way too much emphasis being placed on the league here. Yes i agree you'd have to fancy Dublin but alot of football has to be played yet.

Hammer Archer

John Cherry wrote: »

Might as well hand Sam over to us now

Going to be a walk in the park for us this year

Ah now...

yop

Brilliant game of football that, hard to watch after our defeat (implosion etc), but Dublin showed incredible gile to get that game back and to win it.
Not sure what the hell happened to Cork, seem to lose bottle once the game opened up, but still look like a quality team. Can see them been around in the last Sunday of Sept.

danjo-xx

John Cherry wrote: »

Might as well hand Sam over to us now

Going to be a walk in the park for us this year

yeah that's all we need to do now, get cocky!

Ed Winchester

Great to see Berno & Alan on the pitch together again.
Epic comeback today.

COYBIB

dats_right

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cork will learn from this most importantly in the same way Dublin learned from their collapse in the league final ironically against Cork back in 2007 (Edit) 2011.

Dublin lost that game by a point and despite their collapse (8 point lead) still should had many simple opportunities to win the game. Mossy Quinn (the most overrated free taker of all time) missed a gimme 21m free in front of the posts to bring the teams level in the last minute or two of the game. It was a free that if you're granny missed you would have slapped her! He also missed another straightforward free too (thank god he retired) and other players missed easy scores that would have meant Dublin won that game.

Anyway, I agree with you that you can learn a lot from a game like that league final where you just come up short but that's not what happened Cork today. Cork were torn apart and will feel humiliated. Really the only things that the Cork players learned today are that they are not even at the races and they are a lot further away from Dublin then they thought. They'll know now that they don't have what it takes to beat Dublin this year and if the teams meet again in the Championship I would confidently predict a dubs victory because you just don't bounce back from defeats like that quickly.

However, as you say they are a young team and I believe a very talented team so who is to say they won't beat us next year but it sure ain't gonna be their year this year.

By the way I'm not crowning the dubs as AI champs elect as there are a few more teams who can lay claim to be contenders this year as there is a lot of football to be played, but I am saying Cork will not be winning Sam this year (unless they can do so without having to face us).

yomtea98

dats_right wrote: »

Dublin lost that game by a point and despite their collapse (8 point lead) still should had many simple opportunities to win the game. Mossy Quinn (the most overrated free taker of all time) missed a gimme 21m free in front of the posts to bring the teams level in the last minute or two of the game. It was a free that if you're granny missed you would have slapped her! He also missed another straightforward free too (thank god he retired) and other players missed easy scores that would have meant Dublin won that game.

Anyway, I agree with you that you can learn a lot from a game like that league final where you just come up short but that's not what happened Cork today. Cork were torn apart and will feel humiliated. Really the only things that the Cork players learned today are that they are not even at the races and they are a lot further away from Dublin then they thought. They'll know now that they don't have what it takes to beat Dublin this year and if the teams meet again in the Championship I would confidently predict a dubs victory because you just don't bounce back from defeats like that quickly.

However, as you say they are a young team and I believe a very talented team so who is to say they won't beat us next year but it sure ain't gonna be their year this year.

Wow. That's all I can say to that. Cork were what 9 points ahead at one stage and you think they don't have what it takes to beat the Dubs. Dublin got really lucky second half, played extremely well but got all the decisions, Cork collapsed and Dublin got every bounce of the ball. To say we couldn't beat you later on this year is madness. We're a young team who will learn from today and the management will too. We'll be there or there abouts come September

dats_right

dats_right wrote: »

Dublin lost that game by a point and despite their collapse (8 point lead) still should had many simple opportunities to win the game. Mossy Quinn (the most overrated free taker of all time) missed a gimme 21m free in front of the posts to bring the teams level in the last minute or two of the game. It was a free that if you're granny missed you would have slapped her! He also missed another straightforward free too (thank god he retired) and other players missed easy scores that would have meant Dublin won that game.

Anyway, I agree with you that you can learn a lot from a game like that league final where you just come up short but that's not what happened Cork today. Cork were torn apart and will feel humiliated. Really the only things that the Cork players learned today are that they are not even at the races and they are a lot further away from Dublin then they thought. They'll know now that they don't have what it takes to beat Dublin this year and if the teams meet again in the Championship I would confidently predict a dubs victory because you just don't bounce back from defeats like that quickly.

However, as you say they are a young team and I believe a very talented team so who is to say they won't beat us next year but it sure ain't gonna be their year this year.

Be that as it may but Cork can take positives. They did race into a lead and if they can learn to maintain those type of leads then they will have a fighting chance. It could be as you said a more long term process though.

I just dont believe in writing anyone off yet. Dublin are the team to beat ill admit and will take serious stopping but championship creates a different incentive. As we can testify in Tipperary, over confidence as reigning champions is dangerous dangerous territory.

dats_right

yomtea98 wrote: »

Wow. That's all I can say to that. Cork were what 9 points ahead at one stage and you think they don't have what it takes to beat the Dubs. Dublin got really lucky second half, played extremely well but got all the decisions, Cork collapsed and Dublin got every bounce of the ball. To say we couldn't beat you later on this year is madness. We're a young team who will learn from today and the management will too. We'll be there or there abouts come September

Dublin got lucky in the 2nd half? Are you for real? What about Cork's 2nd goal was that not a bit of a freak of good fortune? It wasn't the ref or good luck that Dublin beat Cork today it was their vast superiority and that power shift isn't going change in a month or two's time. Only in Walt Disney films do teams bounce back from such a hammering to turn around the tables.

And just by way of general observation re the league, over the last few years the league has been a very accurate barometer of where teams are at. For example 3 out of the 4 league semi finalists last year were also AI finalists. The only team who didn't make it to both was Kildare. Kerry made it to the AI sf instead and they too probably would have made the league sf if they didn't start so poorly. Also 6 out of the 8 AI quarter finalists were division 1 teams last year. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss league form.

Anyway, I've told you what I believe the Cork team has learned from today and if it were Dublin who took that roasting I would be saying exactly the same thing I can assure you. I am now confidently writing off Cork's chances of beating Dublin later this year and time will tell who is right or wrong. But to reiterate just because I'm writing off cork's chances does not mean I'm assuming a dubs AI victory, because there are still a number of threats out there but I just don't see Cork as one now.

Wacker The Attacker

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Penalty to Dublin. Should only be a free though. Challenge was well outside the box.

speaking of which

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjX3...ature=youtu.be

Diarmuid Connolly penalty

ProudDUB

I'll be back with something very profound and wise to say (for a change, sez ye...:P when I have figured out how in the name of all that is holy, we didn't wind up losing that game. :eek:

John Cherry

danjo-xx wrote: »

yeah that's all we need to do now, get cocky!

Just very confident

John Cherry

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Ah now...

Just telling it like it is

John Cherry

John Cherry wrote: »

Just telling it like it is

Defence wise Dublin will have to tighten up. Cork could have been out of sight that first half. That said though the Dubs are irresistible in attack.

Joekers

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Defence wise Dublin will have to tighten up. Cork could have been out of sight that first half. That said though the Dubs are irresistible in attack.

To be fair Cork were out of sight at 10 points ahead don't think any other team wouId have came back from that far behind

Joekers

Joekers wrote: »

To be fair Cork were out of sight at 10 points ahead don't think any other team wouId have came back from that far behind

As i said the Dubs have an unreal attack. Connolly, McManamin, the Brogans, O'Gara....quality players. Almost like a of football version of Kilkenny (and not Kilkenny football :pac:) with those riches.

Joekers

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As i said the Dubs have an unreal attack. Connolly, McManamin, the Brogans, O'Gara....quality players. Almost like a of football version of Kilkenny (and not Kilkenny football :pac:) with those riches.

Keep this attack game going through the championship and tighten up on defence I can't see anyone beating Dublin

Joekers

Joekers wrote: »

Keep this attack game going through the championship and tighten up on defence I can't see anyone beating Dublin

They'll take stopping ill admit but time and time again you see a team raging hot favourites only to be caught on the hop.

ThunbergsAreGo

Well that thread ended up well

Cork are a serious team and will be there or there abouts, think today could have been a psychological blow though

Great comback today, Flynn to midfield made a difference

Yavvy

Can anyone make sense of the Cork substitutions and also define exactly where their midfield went to in the second half. I don't think Cork won a kick out in the second half at all.

To me Goulding and O'Connor were creating a lot of Corks chances. Had to be injuried?
Ref gave a very weak penalty but regardless Dublin well worth the win. A lot of people looking towards the AI at this point.
Im looking towards Derry in two weeks and Im excited. Think it will be a cracking game.

Squareball

Deleted User wrote: »

They'll take stopping ill admit but time and time again you see a team raging hot favourites only to be caught on the hop.

Could not agree more. Recent history will tell us it is more likely raging hot reigning champions are caught on the hop too.

LeoB

This is not the end of Cork, far from it. They are a class outfit with quality all over the pitch. The big problem for them was they went too far ahead too soon. Against any quality team, like Dublin Mayo Kerry ect they will get a period of dominance and if they get a few scores up and get on a roll they can be hard to stop and this is what happened yesterday, inexperience. A match against Kerry in Munster will bring them on.

Cork will come very close to winning All Ireland. Aidan Walsh was a bit late being introduced and Im not sure about Paddy Kelly in defense.

Dublin winning is a great boost to them and a reverse of what used to happen to them going back a few years ago when we threw away countless leads. The mental strength is one of their biggest assets now.

Pete_Cavan

Was at the game yesterday, thought the home support really helped Dublin and boosted them once they got on top and helped drive them on. There is no doubting Dublin many fans vs Corks few hundred made a difference. Also helped a few tight calls go Dublins way. If I was a Derry man I'd be calling for the final to be played at a neutral venue.

Ed Winchester

Croke Park is a neutral venue. It's also where ALL national finals are held.

Dublins home ground is Parnell Park.

STB

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Was at the game yesterday, thought the home support really helped Dublin and boosted them once they got on top and helped drive them on. There is no doubting Dublin many fans vs Corks few hundred made a difference. Also helped a few tight calls go Dublins way. If I was a Derry man I'd be calling for the final to be played at a neutral venue.

Parnell Park is Dublin's Home Ground.

Finals are played in Croke Park. Players and fans whose team get to play in a final should not be deprived of the opportunity.

Yavvy

So I was at yesterdays game, in the Hogan and there was a fair spattering of Dublin, Mayo and Derry fans but almost no Cork fans. I was really surprised at this I want to say that Derry fans out numbered cork fans 7-1 .. anyone else notice this ? Opinions

Dirty Dingus McGee

Yavvy wrote: »

So I was at yesterdays game, in the Hogan and there was a fair spattering of Dublin, Mayo and Derry fans but almost no Cork fans. I was really surprised at this I want to say that Derry fans out numbered cork fans 7-1 .. anyone else notice this ? Opinions

Cork never bring too many fans to Croke Park (although they always seem to bring a great crowd to Killarney), I wouldn't mind them not having too many at the match yesterday but their turnout for all ireland quarter finals is always very poor.

I was at their all ireland quarter final against Roscommon in 2010 and it was embarrassing to see such a big county out numbered so easily by the opposing supporters.I'd say their fans were outnumbered 15-1 in that match.I know it's a bit of a trip from the football heartland to Dublin but you'd think the Cork County board would do more to entice fans to go to their matches.

DoctaDee

Could've sworn there was a huge Cork crowd there judging from crowds reaction to their 2 goals :rolleyes:

Don't see it as my place to comment on Cork supporters, but in some respects I get the impression that their affinity to the football was knocked somewhat in the latter stages of Counihans reign. The Cork support was in stark contrast on the 2 weekends last year for the football quarter and hurling semi .... the whole of Cork emptied for the hurling. I guess it'll take a while to win back the football fans

Pete_Cavan

STB wrote: »

Parnell Park is Dublin's Home Ground.

Finals are played in Croke Park. Players and fans whose team get to play in a final should not be deprived of the opportunity.

I know what you are saying, and this is probably going off topic for this thread, but I don’t understand why finals have to be played in Croker. I think all league finals would benefit from rationalising the fixtures based on who is playing. The semis at the weekend probably made sense in Croker because you couldn’t have had a doubleheader anywhere else given the teams came from the four corners of the island. Picking league semi final/final venues based on the teams playing is good enough for hurling so I don’t see why it shouldn’t be the same for football

As a Cavan fan, I would prefer if our Div. 3 final against Roscommon was played in Longford, the ground would be full and the atmosphere would be much better. The Clare v Tipp final will be a damp squib, considering they play each other in the hurling the week before cant see many travelling to Croke for the Div. 4 final. I know the counter argument is some emotive claim that people “deserve” it but I really don’t buy that unless we are saying that footballers are more deserving of playing in Croker Park than all the hurlers who had to play their national finals elsewhere.

Also, Croker is hardly neutral in any real sense of the word when the Dubs have tens of thousands of fans on its doorstep while the opposition have to travel 3 hours.

Gary Neville

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I know what you are saying, and this is probably going off topic for this thread, but I don’t understand why finals have to be played in Croker. I think all league finals would benefit from rationalising the fixtures based on who is playing. The semis at the weekend probably made sense in Croker because you couldn’t have had a doubleheader anywhere else given the teams came from the four corners of the island. Picking league semi final/final venues based on the teams playing is good enough for hurling so I don’t see why it shouldn’t be the same for football

As a Cavan fan, I would prefer if our Div. 3 final against Roscommon was played in Longford, the ground would be full and the atmosphere would be much better. The Clare v Tipp final will be a damp squib, considering they play each other in the hurling the week before cant see many travelling to Croke for the Div. 4 final. I know the counter argument is some emotive claim that people “deserve” it but I really don’t buy that unless we are saying that footballers are more deserving of playing in Croker Park than all the hurlers who had to play their national finals elsewhere.

Also, Croker is hardly neutral in any real sense of the word when the Dubs have tens of thousands of fans on its doorstep while the opposition have to travel 3 hours.

It's a big ask to expect Cork Supporters to travel to CP for a league semi - it's 8 hours travelling for 70 mins football and a cost of €100 all in. Road tolls are €7.60 alone.

A Dub has 40 mins (return) travel) and a cost of €20. Home in time to see the Masters Golf on TV.

But Managers that have hopes for winning the AI want to get every big game they can in CP.