Mad prices for dairy heifers

Sam Kade

Maiden heifers are cheaper now and in less demand than they were during the quota years, so where are the mad prices that were predicted

Timmaay

Horrible oversupply with lads getting way ahead of themselves? Piss poor beef trade? It's hard to know but where would we be if it wasn't for the uk/northern market for them, probably sending them to the factory :eek:

trixi2011

Timmaay wrote: »

Horrible oversupply with lads getting way ahead of themselves? Piss poor beef trade? It's hard to know but where would we be if it wasn't for the uk/northern market for them, probably sending them to the factory :eek:

Does anyone sell weaned dairy heifer calves and what sort of price would you be able to get them at, may be in the market for some in june/july if the price was right

keep going

trixi2011 wrote: »

Does anyone sell weaned dairy heifer calves and what sort of price would you be able to get them at, may be in the market for some in june/july if the price was right

Are you coming home

trixi2011

keep going wrote: »

Are you coming home

Yip finishing up at the end of the season only 7 weeks away now

Greengrass1

trixi2011 wrote: »

Yip finishing up at the end of the season only 7 weeks away now

Ye coming back to a farm here?
Friend of mine bought 40 calves last year and this year again

trixi2011

keep going wrote: »

Are you coming home

Yip finishing up at the end of the season been planned for a while only 7 weeks left

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye coming back to a farm here?
Friend of mine bought 40 calves last year and this year again

Don't know yet have been looking into getting my honours degree would only take a year but keeping the options open, going to look into the land mobility scheme when I get home as well. Only have a few years left till the big 30 so need to start thinking about doing something

Sam Kade

Derailed by post number 4 that didn't take long :mad:

trixi2011

Sam Kade wrote: »

Derailed by post number 4 that didn't take long :mad:

Sorry sam I am sure the super levy problems are keeping guys from stocking up and next year there may be a better market for these animals. That's my opinion as an outsider looking in could be way off the ball

mf240

Supply and demand.

Everybody has there own.

You can but milking cows for 900 euros and good heifers for 1300 why would you be pricking with maiden heifers.

Sam Kade

trixi2011 wrote: »

Sorry sam I am sure the super levy problems are keeping guys from stocking up and next year there may be a better market for these animals. That's my opinion as an outsider looking in could be way off the ball

Only joking Maiden heifers this year won't be milking until next year when quota will not be a problem. I think that anyone entering dairying or expanding have their stock in place so that may be the reason.

trixi2011

mf240 wrote: »

Supply and demand.

Everybody has there own.

You can but milking cows for 900 euros and good heifers for 1300 why would you be pricking with maiden heifers.

Perfect time to increase the genetic potential of your herd tho. If maidin heirers are cheap buy in high ebi stock and sell your low ebi heifers.

trixi2011

Sam Kade wrote: »

Only joking Maiden heifers this year won't be milking until next year when quota will not be a problem. I think that anyone entering dairying or expanding have their stock in place so that may be the reason.

**** had forgotten 2015 is next year

keep going

Sam Kade wrote: »

Maiden heifers are cheaper now and in less demand than they were during the quota years, so where are the mad prices that were predicted

Whats cheap most around here are selling 850 to 900

keep going

trixi2011 wrote: »

Yip finishing up at the end of the season only 7 weeks away now

What about all these prophets of doom that on here about post 2015, did they not put you off.

trixi2011

keep going wrote: »

What about all these prophets of doom that on here about post 2015, did they not put you off.

Partly due to family reasons and it cant be that bad post 2015. doom could be great for someone like me might open up some land to get a foot in the door.

Mulumpy

Heres one prophet of doom. I think its mad lads getting so excited about 2015. Quotas dont end til March 31st next year. Lads with all these heifers need to be calving them in Feb so gonna drive the country way over again. Its 2016 lads should be planning for when price drops below 30c/l.

kevthegaff

Ya agree Mulumpy but its hard to hold back:-)

kevthegaff

i have currently 35 heifers im keeping. what shoud i ask for the april born heifers out of a NR stock bull??

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Ya agree Mulumpy but its hard to hold back:-)

U over already so Kev!!

mahoney_j

Mulumpy wrote: »

Heres one prophet of doom. I think its mad lads getting so excited about 2015. Quotas dont end til March 31st next year. Lads with all these heifers need to be calving them in Feb so gonna drive the country way over again. Its 2016 lads should be planning for when price drops below 30c/l.

Fully agree mulumphy ,lads seem to be so caught up with milking more cows when they should be sitting down taking a step back and asking themselves will more cows mean more mobey..for some it will but for a lot it won't as they may have health issues with their herds,a lot of reseeding to do to grow more grass more building to do to house cows and slurry storage to comply with nitrates etc.and also rember milk will not always be making 39 cent a litre.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fully agree mulumphy ,lads seem to be so caught up with milking more cows when they should be sitting down taking a step back and asking themselves will more cows mean more mobey..for some it will but for a lot it won't as they may have health issues with their herds,a lot of reseeding to do to grow more grass more building to do to house cows and slurry storage to comply with nitrates etc.and also rember milk will not always be making 39 cent a litre.

Heard a good figure the other day to determine your stocking rate.
The grass you grow divided by 5

charleysurf

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Heard a good figure the other day to determine your stocking rate.
The grass you grow divided by 5

I'm guessing that's based on 5 tonne per cow at a 85% grass utilisation or 4.25t eaten? would be a sound figure to use for someone starting off

Mulumpy

Im trying to take a step back in my situation before expanding because im limited with land unless I rent or buy. Ive increased milk from 5000lt av to 6100lt in 4 years and solids from 420 to 490kg/ms. Ive reduced cow numbers from 65 to 58 in order to reseed more of my land. I have ofj in the dairy manufacturing industry so see both sides. Once I get better at growing grass and breeding an efficient cow I'll be looking fir opportunites to expand and stay at home full time

benjydagg

trixi2011 wrote: »

Don't know yet have been looking into getting my honours degree would only take a year but keeping the options open, going to look into the land mobility scheme when I get home as well. Only have a few years left till the big 30 so need to start thinking about doing something

Land mobility scheme????? :cool:

I'm 49, two daughters with no interest in farming.
North Tipperary, good land, no quota, looking for a long term lease to a young dairy farmer. Slatted accommodation for 150+ and loose houses.

Finishing in REPS 2015.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ON LAND MOBILITY!!!!

Sam Kade

keep going wrote: »

Whats cheap most around here are selling 850 to 900

In Corrin yesterday 150 on offer sold from 450 to 850 most sold around 600 mark which was for 320-400 kg heifers. There was one lot of NR Fr x not even a bid for them plenty more taken home again. Only very few went over 800.

kevthegaff

Jerry not full till around September! i said if i got paid the full 1 out of the last 2 years i cant complain:-)

frazzledhome

Mulumpy wrote: »

Im trying to take a step back in my situation before expanding because im limited with land unless I rent or buy. Ive increased milk from 5000lt av to 6100lt in 4 years and solids from 420 to 490kg/ms. Ive reduced cow numbers from 65 to 58 in order to reseed more of my land. I have ofj in the dairy manufacturing industry so see both sides. Once I get better at growing grass and breeding an efficient cow I'll be looking fir opportunites to expand and stay at home full time

Spot on. Get the home farm up to snuff with good systems in place before embarking on any expansion. A few roads, a bit of drainage and a tonne more grass and I'd bet many could expand by 20% without even feeling it

frazzledhome

benjydagg wrote: »

Land mobility scheme????? :cool:

I'm 49, two daughters with no interest in farming.
North Tipperary, good land, no quota, looking for a long term lease to a young dairy farmer. Slatted accommodation for 150+ and loose houses.

Finishing in REPS 2015.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ON LAND MOBILITY!!!!

I'd say your inbox is full by now!!

td5man

benjydagg wrote: »

Land mobility scheme????? :cool:

I'm 49, two daughters with no interest in farming.
North Tipperary, good land, no quota, looking for a long term lease to a young dairy farmer. Slatted accommodation for 150+ and loose houses.

Finishing in REPS 2015.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ON LAND MOBILITY!!!!

Its a good job delaval isnt on here anymore. :-)

jt65

we got a questionnaire from the coop some time enquiring how many we hoped to milk up to 2020

I put 85 into each answer box

at the bottom I put a note " if price drops below 30c/ltr change answer to 50 "

the note was written more in jest than anything else but the more I think of it , the more I think it will happen

Timmaay

Mulumpy wrote: »

Im trying to take a step back in my situation before expanding because im limited with land unless I rent or buy. Ive increased milk from 5000lt av to 6100lt in 4 years and solids from 420 to 490kg/ms. Ive reduced cow numbers from 65 to 58 in order to reseed more of my land. I have ofj in the dairy manufacturing industry so see both sides. Once I get better at growing grass and breeding an efficient cow I'll be looking fir opportunites to expand and stay at home full time

Up about 1000l delivered/cow/yr here in the past 2yrs, I've another 2kl to go before I'm happy ha.

Greengrass1

Timmaay wrote: »

Up about 1000l delivered/cow/yr here in the past 2yrs, I've another 2kl to go before I'm happy ha.

I thought you were moving towards a cow that will deliver a higher amount of solids with the mik you have?

Timmaay

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I thought you were moving towards a cow that will deliver a higher amount of solids with the mik you have?

I got alot of cows who can potentially milk 8kl a yr, but huge diff between that and actually delivered litres/yr!

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I thought you were moving towards a cow that will deliver a higher amount of solids with the mik you have?

Higher volume dosnt mean lower solids chief

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Higher volume dosnt mean lower solids chief

What solids did your highest yeilder give last year?

Timmaay

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What solids did your highest yeilder give last year?

My highest was 8700L (milk recorded, 316 DIM), 3.4%F, 3% P :eek:. However that was still 561kgMS. Shes a 7th lactation, and has calved in Feb every single year. HO or not, and it might be utterly rubbish % of solids, but ya can't put a value on cows like her who calf in feb without fail. I will admit straightout she would have got on average 5kg of nuts over her full lactation, so over the 316days that 1580kgs, at say 290e/ton average thats 460euros feed! But still, call it 8300Litres she delivered, at say 37cent average last year (my average milk price was 40cent, I'm calling it 37 for her due to the low solids), anyways thats over 3k in milk from her. If the whole herd could do the same I wouldn't be doing too bad. Instead from looking at my milk recording results, the 2nd and 3th highest yeilds both got 4 or 5 serves between AI and the bull, and are still empty, so are hitting the road!

Greengrass1

Highest yeild I can find is 7200 from a 60/40 fr/je 622 kg/ms on 305 days.
4 lactation.
Happy with that.
She is a march calver so would have been milked up till Christmas or before

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Highest yeild I can find is 7200 from a 60/40 fr/je 622 kg/ms on 305 days.
4 lactation.
Happy with that.
She is a march calver so would have been milked up till Christmas or before

One of the farms in my group takes all the late cavers oct and nov which would equal april and may calvers at home they do 450-470 solids a cow on a grass only diet. They only milk until mid June as well :eek:

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What solids did your highest yeilder give last year?

10156 kg milk 3.89 fat 3.46 p scc 108 296 days

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

10156 kg milk 3.89 fat 3.46 p scc 108 296 days

746kg, good cow. How much grub?

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

746kg, good cow. How much grub?

Roughly 1.6 tonnes

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Roughly 1.6 tonnes

A herd of them and you'd be laughing

That's an average of 1kg solids for every 2 kg meal.

Meal 45c/ kg *2= 90c
Milk 1kg*5.50= 5.50

Think that price per kg is correct, maybe a maths guru could confirm

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

A herd of them and you'd be laughing

That's an average of 1kg solids for every 2 kg meal.

Meal 45c/ kg *2= 90c
Milk 1kg*5.50= 5.50

Think that price per kg is correct, maybe a maths guru could confirm

That cow is exceptional ,sixth year in milk no more than 2 serves and calves in feb every year bar as a heifer when she calved early April.ill take a pic of her later.had a bull calf which was tested this year .ebi 290 with milk index of 94..they didn't want her though

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

That cow is exceptional ,sixth year in milk no more than 2 serves and calves in feb every year bar as a heifer when she calved early April.ill take a pic of her later.had a bull calf which was tested this year .ebi 290 with milk index of 94..they didn't want her though

A pic? Why would we give a shyte what she looks likeðŸ„ðŸ„

case 956

exceptional cow j, what her breeding background like?

charleysurf

http://www.thebullvine.com/news/life-dairy-farm-milk-quotas/

saw a piece on twitter this morning, this fellow in meath has a pure Danish je herd doing 6,000L herd at 6% fat and 4% pr, that something like 618kgs/ms . thought the most interesting part was the estimated intakes of the cows in his herd. averaging 17.5kg/dm intake in the winter and 16.5 in summer. he claims a FCE of 1.45-1.5

loveta

benjydagg wrote: »

Land mobility scheme????? :cool:

I'm 49, two daughters with no interest in farming.
North Tipperary, good land, no quota, looking for a long term lease to a young dairy farmer. Slatted accommodation for 150+ and loose houses.

Finishing in REPS 2015.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE START A THREAD ON LAND MOBILITY!!!!

Any of them daughters single :D

mahoney_j

case 956 wrote: »

exceptional cow j, what her breeding background like?

Fatal-hairy Breiz-Newhouse sjored-galtee merci.

case 956

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fatal-hairy Breiz-Newhouse sjored-galtee merci.

I know breeding has a lot to do with high solids too but Management of a cow is a different ball game and the right breed and management with a cow can deliever serious results and Mahoney, frazzle and stan are 3 serious producers and I for 1 look up to them and learn as much as I can off 3 serious opertors, Thanks lads