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Date 07/04/2014
Time: 8.50am

Luas Red LIne Disruption.

Luas Red Line is running at the moment only between Saggart/Tallaght and Smithfield.

There is no service between Smithfield and Connolly/ The Point.

Luas Tickets are valid on Dublin Bus for the duration of the disruption.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused

The Luas Green Line is operating normally.

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http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0407/607198-woman-dies-after-collision-between-luas-and-car/

Woman dies after collision between Luas and car in Dublin

A female pedestrian in her 30s has died in a road crash between a car and a Luas tram in Dublin.

The incident happened at the junction of Jervis Street and Abbey Street Upper at 8:45am this morning.

The woman was pronounced dead at the scene.

The road is closed and garda forensic collision investigators are carrying out an examination of the area.

The Luas line is closed between Smithfield and Connolly stops.

lolosaur

RIP to pedestrian killed, i just couldnt figure out that the news said there was a car and a luas involved?

Is the red line luas more dangerous than Larry Murphy?
It seems to me to be a killing machine.

lolosaur

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0407/607198-fatal-collision/

linky

kitten_k

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/woman-dies-tragic-luas-accident-3384038

lolosaur

yeah, still doesnt really say what happened.

the front of the luas was dented in but im not sure what happened? did the luas hit the car and the car hit the pedestrian?

corktina

That's what they are saying on the radio. However to say that is to imply somehow it's the LUASs fault. I think it highly unlikely that the LUAS jumped the signals.

My sympathises to the family of the deceased. RIP

Gatling

Possibly ran in front of a car and then luas hit the breaking car

badinfluence

The tram, which was travelling on the Red Line towards Tallaght was in collision with a silver BMW car at the junction of Abbey Street and Jervis Street, and as the car was spun by the Luas it struck the woman who was walking at the junction.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/woman-killed-in-accident-involving-luas-30161964.html

RIP

monument

Cut out the speculation please - mod

dublinman1990

Oh dear. What a tragic accident to happen on a Monday morning.

Sincere condolences to the woman's family RIP.

stop

Horrible to hear - thoughts are with the family.

Media reports are reporting an incident of Car vs Luas followed by Car vs Pedestrian:

Gardaí confirmed that the pedestrian, who was in her late 30s, was struck by a car at 8.45am following an incident between the car and the tram.

The Journal article

Probably best to leave it at that for the moment.

lolosaur

can anyone verify the number of fatalities on the luas red line since its inception?

corktina

lolosaur wrote: »

can anyone verify the number of fatalities on the luas red line since its inception?

I can't think of even one accident that was found to be the LUAS at fault so what use would such a statistic be?

Victor

lolosaur wrote: »

can anyone verify the number of fatalities on the luas red line since its inception?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luas

1. Pedestrian killed at Tallaght.
2. Construction worker killed during construction of Saggart line.
3. Pedestrian killed at Steevens Lane.
4. Pedestrian killed at Blackhorse.
5. Pedestrian killed at Jervis (today, details unclear).

After more than 250 million journeys, I think that is an acceptable, if regrettable, record.

billie1b

corktina wrote: »

That's what they are saying on the radio. However to say that is to imply somehow it's the LUASs fault. I think it highly unlikely that the LUAS jumped the signals.

My sympathises to the family of the deceased. RIP

The time the LUAS went through the side of the Dublin Bus, it was the LUAS driver who jumped his signal, it happens just as much as cars jumping their signal. Lets not speculate until all details come to light. RIP to the poor young woman involved

Victor

lolosaur wrote: »

RIP to pedestrian killed, i just couldnt figure out that the news said there was a car and a luas involved?

Is the red line luas more dangerous than Larry Murphy?
It seems to me to be a killing machine.

There is no need to be so flippant or inflammatory in such comments.

Moderator

lolosaur

billie1b wrote: »

The time the LUAS went through the side of the Dublin Bus, it was the LUAS driver who jumped his signal, it happens just as much as cars jumping their signal. Lets not speculate until all details come to light. RIP to the poor young woman involved

I do believe you are incorrect. The driver was absolved of the incident.

niamhhealy86

Do we need more safety regulations? Is there any need for all of these deaths? One death is too many in my opinion.

billie1b

lolosaur wrote: »

I do believe you are incorrect. The driver was absolved of the incident.

He was absolved because he couldn't see the signal, there was a shadow on it, the LUAS still jumped its signal and the control of the driver, it was his and the LUAS' fault

AlekSmart

billie1b wrote: »

He was absolved because he couldn't see the signal, there was a shadow on it, the LUAS still jumped its signal and the control of the driver, it was his and the LUAS' fault

The actual verdict was that it was unsafe to proceed with the case due to certain irregularities with the prosecution case.

Makes for interesting reading nonetheless.....but it may not have any bearing on todays sad event.

http://www.herald.ie/news/luas-driver-who-crashed-into-bus-cleared-by-judge-28006646.html

However,the subsequent Investigation by the Rail Accident Investigations Unit did arrive at a somewhat less ambigious conclusion.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lapse-by-driver-of-luas-led-to-crash-with-bus-29102210.html

"As a stop aspect was displayed for the tram and it was demonstrated during reconstruction that the tram driver had a clear and unobstructed view of the signal impact, it can be concluded that the tram driver initiated the movement of the tram through the junction without a proceed signal," the investigation concluded.

"The immediate cause of this collision was as a result of a lapse in concentration by the tram driver."

THe full RAIU report is available here....

http://www.raiu.ie/download/pdf/2013r001_tram_collision_with_a_bus_on_oconnell_st.pdf

billie1b

AlekSmart wrote: »

The actual verdict was that it was unsafe to proceed with the case due to certain irregularities with the prosecution case.

Makes for interesting reading nonetheless.....but it may not have any bearing on todays sad event.

http://www.herald.ie/news/luas-driver-who-crashed-into-bus-cleared-by-judge-28006646.html

However,the subsequent Investigation by the Rail Accident Investigations Unit did arrive at a somewhat less ambigious conclusion.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lapse-by-driver-of-luas-led-to-crash-with-bus-29102210.html



THe full RAIU report is available here....

http://www.raiu.ie/download/pdf/2013r001_tram_collision_with_a_bus_on_oconnell_st.pdf

We all know why they didn't proceed with the case but none of us will say it though. Its for a different thread anyways.
Still amazes me to this day, not just in Dublin city but all over the place, the amount of drivers going through lights that are red or just turned red, its craziness

foggy_lad

niamhhealy86 wrote: »

Do we need more safety regulations? Is there any need for all of these deaths? One death is too many in my opinion.

Anymore health & safety regulation and we won't be able to go outside without wearing an airbag suit.

TheBandicoot

billie1b wrote: »

We all know why they didn't proceed with the case but none of us will say it though.

Because the driver is black? I really don't think that is the reason, grow up.

Victor

niamhhealy86 wrote: »

Do we need more safety regulations? Is there any need for all of these deaths? One death is too many in my opinion.

Let's compare it to road traffic casualties.

Category Ireland Luas
Population of Ireland 4,500,000 Not applicable
Approximate number of journeys per year 3,285,000,000 Not applicable
Approximate number of journeys over 10 years 32,850,000,000 250,000,000
Approximate number of fatalities 2,691 4
Journeys per fatality 12,207,358 62,500,000

So, Luas is 5 times safer per journey. However, we are overstating Luas-related casualties, so we could easily say it is ten times safer..

lolosaur

Victor wrote: »

Let's compare it to road traffic casualties.

Category Ireland Luas
Population of Ireland 4,500,000 Not applicable
Approximate number of journeys per year 3,285,000,000 Not applicable
Approximate number of journeys over 10 years 32,850,000,000 250,000,000
Approximate number of fatalities 2,691 4
Journeys per fatality 12,207,358 62,500,000

So, Luas is 5 times safer per journey. However, we are overstating Luas-related casualties, so we could easily say it is ten times safer..

I wanted to see if it was into double figures, quite surprised it is not.

There should be railings up around jervis and abbey st. they are the two busiest stops and people saunter accross there all the time.

The luas red line is a shambles tbf.

billie1b

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Because the driver is black? I really don't think that is the reason, grow up.

Who said that? I didn't say that!

LXFlyer

lolosaur wrote: »

I wanted to see if it was into double figures, quite surprised it is not.

There should be railings up around jervis and abbey st. they are the two busiest stops and people saunter accross there all the time.

The luas red line is a shambles tbf.

Or maybe people just need to be more careful and start obeying the law when it comes to crossing the road, and obey traffic signals?

There is only so much that can be done - people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

For clarity - his comment does NOT relate to the poor woman this morning, but to the suggestion in the post quoted above and the implication that running trams through the city is inherently unsafe.

TheBandicoot

billie1b wrote: »

Who said that? I didn't say that!

Then say what you think is the real reason that we apparently all know for not proceeding with the case?

billie1b

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Then say what you think is the real reason that we apparently all know for not proceeding with the case?

Money buddy, money, the government wont waste it on the case as they'll end up paying out 3 times (if mot more) in compo to the people injured in it

lolosaur

lxflyer wrote: »

Or maybe people just need to be more careful and start obeying the law when it comes to crossing the road, and obey traffic signals?

There is only so much that can be done - people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

What if i pushed you onto the track. how would you like that action?

There is a build up of over 100-150 people at those tram stops regularly at peak times per tram, there are people crossing at a busy intersection not mentioning it is a cross town rat run to the two busiest shopping districts.

that girl this morning, god rest her, would she be one of the people you want to take responsibility for her own actions?

What a useless post.

Jamie2k9

Will be very surpised if anybody except the driver of a car is at fault. Quiet a few comments saying they ran the lights.

In general more significent penelties are needed for these actions.

What if i pushed you onto the track. how would you like that action?

There is a build up of over 100-150 people at those tram stops regularly at peak times per tram, there are people crossing at a busy intersection not mentioning it is a cross town rat run to the two busiest shopping districts.

that girl this morning, god rest her, would she be one of the people you want to take responsibility for her own actions?

What a useless post.

Stop making excuses, the simple fact is either Luas or car ran the lights and I know who my money is on. Very unfortunate that the womem was killed this morning as a result of somebody's actions.

Next you will be saying that BXD line should be completly fenced in around the city.

LXFlyer

lolosaur wrote: »

What if i pushed you onto the track. how would you like that action?

There is a build up of over 100-150 people at those tram stops regularly at peak times per tram, there are people crossing at a busy intersection not mentioning it is a cross town rat run to the two busiest shopping districts.

that girl this morning, god rest her, would she be one of the people you want to take responsibility for her own actions?


What a useless post.

Well lets be honest - what happens if anyone pushes you onto the road at any pedestrian crossing in the country where large volumes of cars or other vehicles are passing, such as at the two pedestrian bridges between O'Connell Bridge and Grattan Bridge on the Quays?


You are trying to suggest that the LUAS per se is any more dangerous than a car, bus or truck, which it patently is not.


What happened to that poor girl this morning was something that (from the reports so far) I don't believe any railings or otherwise could have stopped. She was unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Boulevardier

" people need to take responsibility for their own actions. "

LXflyer I normally respect your views, but your post on this thread is appalling. I suggest you withdraw it.

LXFlyer

Boulevardier wrote: »

" people need to take responsibility for their own actions. "

LXflyer I normally respect your views, but your post on this thread is appalling. I suggest you withdraw it.

I am not in any way referring to the poor woman that died this morning in that statement. It was a completely freak accident that happened to her, and she and her family have my sympathies.

I am referring to the general implication in the posts by lolosaur where he/she implied that LUAS by design was unsafe and that pedestrians need to be railed in and that people crossing the road in front of approaching trams are not in any way at fault.

People walk out in front of approaching trams left right and centre and as such they are causing a major hazard - those people need to be more responsible.

Hilly Bill

Boulevardier wrote: »

" people need to take responsibility for their own actions. "

LXflyer I normally respect your views, but your post on this thread is appalling. I suggest you withdraw it.

Can't see anything appalling in that comment.

Banjoxed

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Can see anything appalling in that comment.

Speaking in general, and not about any specific case, the only way additional rules and regulations would change pedestrian behaviour would be to have the guards arresting and prosecuting jaywalking in a way that would deter messing at busy junctions. Better for individuals to be a bit more copped on that cars, buses and trams can injure or kill you and are not a source of compo if they hit you.

Gatling

According to news reports the woman who was killed this morning wasnt jaywalking the car was hit by the luas and then somehow spun near 180° and mounted the pavement and hit the poor victim ,




**Mods I know no speculation was stated earlier im merely pointing out accordingly to reports this poor woman was a victim of a freak accident rather than the luas safety issues /or her own actions **

mrbike

Banjoxed wrote: »

Speaking in general, and not about any specific case, the only way additional rules and regulations would change pedestrian behaviour would be to have the guards arresting and prosecuting jaywalking in a way that would deter messing at busy junctions.

Have a look at the Luas Annual Safety Statistical Report. Under section 3.2, you'll see the majority of incidents are road traffic collisions.

http://www.rpa.ie/Documents/Health%20and%20Safety/RPA_Luas_Annual_Safety_Statistical_Report_2012.pdf

Breaking the lights when the LUAS is crossing is endemic. On Queen street collisions have happened so often that they have to put up large neon signs warning drivers not to break the lights.

That said, the Jarvis Street LUAS stop is a nightmare. There isn't enough room for passengers getting off, waiting at the stop and general pedestrians walking through. Combine that with a traffic coming down Jervis Street and it's just plain dangerous for pedestrians. It's a dangerously designed LUAS stop. Blaming pedestrians for jaywaking completely misses the point.

kingtut

The woman killed this morning was my second cousins wife.
To the people trying to take this thread out of control, please show a bit of respect! :mad::(

Aard

There's a lot of traffic crossing the tracks on Jervis Street. All of it coming either from the Ormonde Quay or Great Strand Street. That traffic is either going to the Jervis Carpark or Parnell St. Since the only way of getting to Ormonde Quay is from O Donnovan Rossa Bridge, or from Inns Quay, it is obvious that Jervis Street is being used as a rat-run for any non-Jervis-Carpark traffic. So if the only major car-destination is Jervis, then I would completely advocate reconfiguring Jervis Street around the area where the Luas crosses it. In fact I would contend that Jervis Street needn't be a through-route at all: the street is wide enough to be two-way to facilitate entry to and egress from the Jervis Carpark. That way the 10 meters either side of the Luas crossing could be closed off to cars, offering a significantly safer crossing area for pedestrians over the current constrained setup.

n97 mini

Victor wrote: »

After more than 250 million journeys, I think that is an acceptable, if regrettable, record.

Wrong choice of words I think. Not one death is acceptable.

Hootanany

RIP poor Lady

Jamie2k9

n97 mini wrote: »

Wrong choice of words I think. Not one death is acceptable.

While it shouldn't be acceptable, its reality and given the ratio of deaths to journeys it's remarkably low.

There is an add on a Luas which says 2 in 5 people killed in Dublin are pedestrians. That's high.

theKillerBite

I saw all the flowers at the scene this evening :-(

Maybe they could put rumble strips before luas junctions. I know they have red flashing lights on the ground at some of crossings but is this across the board??

Martina82

Seems to be nothing but bad news recently.

Sincere condolences to the woman's family. RIP

stop

theKillerBite wrote: »

I saw all the flowers at the scene this evening :-(

Maybe they could put rumble strips before luas junctions. I know they have red flashing lights on the ground at some of crossings but is this across the board??

At this stage, I'd be in favour of automatic bollards at every Luas/Road Junction from Museum to Liffey Street.

Mec-a-nic

stop wrote: »

At this stage, I'd be in favour of automatic bollards at every Luas/Road Junction from Museum to Liffey Street.

I'd really be in favour of some futuristic technology, like say, red light cameras, coupled with, say, enforcing the damn laws that are already in place... /rant

For high traffic junctions like this, there should at least be some steel bollards that would prevent runaway traffic from mounting the footpath too.

AlekSmart

Victor wrote: »

Let's compare it to road traffic casualties.

So, Luas is 5 times safer per journey. However, we are overstating Luas-related casualties, so we could easily say it is ten times safer..

Absolutely 100% Agree.

The continuing risk of Injury or Death as a result of physical assault on a Luas service,is a far more significant threat to Public Safety than any injury from a collision !

dixiefly

kingtut wrote: »

The woman killed this morning was my second cousins wife.
To the people trying to take this thread out of control, please show a bit of respect! :mad::(

Sincere condolences, it seems very tragic and she was preparing to return home to China for a visit with her young daughter.

I wonder could many of the traffic issues be sorted by installation of cameras at the junctions and a fine coupled with 2 penalty points for every time a car crosses a red light there?

AlekSmart

Aard wrote: »

There's a lot of traffic crossing the tracks on Jervis Street. All of it coming either from the Ormonde Quay or Great Strand Street. That traffic is either going to the Jervis Carpark or Parnell St. Since the only way of getting to Ormonde Quay is from O Donnovan Rossa Bridge, or from Inns Quay, it is obvious that Jervis Street is being used as a rat-run for any non-Jervis-Carpark traffic. So if the only major car-destination is Jervis, then I would completely advocate reconfiguring Jervis Street around the area where the Luas crosses it. In fact I would contend that Jervis Street needn't be a through-route at all: the street is wide enough to be two-way to facilitate entry to and egress from the Jervis Carpark. That way the 10 meters either side of the Luas crossing could be closed off to cars, offering a significantly safer crossing area for pedestrians over the current constrained setup.

The nub of SO much of Dublin City's Traffic Planning problems.

The cack-handed,and highly dubious planning decisions taken decades ago by long forgotten Corporate and Political figures which gave Multi-Storey Car Park developers effective control over Dublin City's day to day operation.

Someday we shall have full disclosure as to the "details" surrounding such travesties,but I would also suggest much evidence has been shredded or incinerated to keep the issue from causing "trouble".

The City is blighted,not by the Multi-Stories themselves,but by the TOTAL absence of the necessary infrastructure to support and cater for the basic operations of such facilities.

Rather than focus upon the Facilities themselves,take the time instead to stand outside the Entrances and Exits of these Multi-Stories and marvel at how ANY supposed "Professional" Planner could have signed-off on the arrangements now in place for decades.

Stand outside the MAIN Exit for the Jervis Multi Storey and wonder at what language the "Professional" Planners Degree was written in...:(

Even worse is how we have become so inured to this cockamamey behaviour,so that when it's franchised out to our latest locations such as the Dundrum Centre,nobody bats an eyelid....Sheer Dangerous Lack of Planning Responsibility,all passed off as a Native Ability to "come up with something" and "see how it go's"

This issue is ongoing and whilst not directly conected to the Sad Accident which claimed this lady's life,is I feel part of the menu of contributory factors,the responsibility for which remains unaddressed.

Aard

AlekSmart wrote: »

This issue is ongoing and whilst not directly conected to the Sad Accident which claimed this lady's life,is I feel part of the menu of contributory factors,the responsibility for which remains unaddressed.

Yup. People can talk about automatic bollards, rumble strips, and red light cameras 'til the cows come home. But until cars are subordinated in these massive footfall areas, the threat remains.