Is a Satanic cult of global leaders and Vatican heads murdering children?

HandoLogan

“The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult, a child sacrifice group composed of global elites, appears to be routinely raping, torturing and murdering children” it was announced yesterday by the ITCCS. Recent court filings against the international child kidnapping ring go to court April 7.

Named as chief defendants for the Brussels Common Law Court trial were Pope Francis, Jesuit Superior General Adolfo Pachon and Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby. Among possible Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members named by witnesses who would testify at the trial were former popes Joseph Ratzinger and John Paul II, UK High Court Justice Judge Fulford and members of the British Royal Family.

“Queen Elizabeth had direct involvement in the kidnapping and death of aboriginal children and Royal Family members appeared to regularly participate in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rituals at the Mohawk Indian School in Brantford Ontario Canada” yesterday’s announcement proclaimed.

According to two affidavits filed in court, not only did different witnesses see Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members commit murder, but claimed the brutal killings of innocent children continued today, some in sub-basement vaults.

· Testimonies of two witnesses who claimed they saw former Pope Joseph Ratzinger, Dutch Cardinal Alfrink and Prince Bernhard take part in a Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murders in Holland and France, one of a little girl in the fall of 1987.

One of those witnesses was Dutch therapist Toos Nijenhuis who in this video interview with Kevin Annett, discussed seeing Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murders as late as 2010. At least one of those murders involved former Pope Ratzinger.

The ITCC reported, "Pope Francis" Jesuit superior general Adolfo Nicholas and Anglican archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby appear connected to the operation and protection of this global child trafficking network. The ring also may include popes John Paul ll and Joseph Ratzinger.


http://wearechange.org/satanic-cult-glob...-children/

http://www.examiner.com/article/popes-gl...lt-murders

Sacksian

From RationalWiki:

The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (or ITCCS) is a one-man blog that pretends to be a tribunal established to enforce common law. Despite claims of being based in Brussels, the whole thing is written in Canada by Kevin D. Annett, a defrocked United Church of Canada priest.

The ITCCS came to some notice in the social media sphere in February 2013, when Annett issued a claim that Pope Benedict XVI resigned for fear of arrest on an ITCCS warrant and the hard of thinking forwarded it around as if this actually made sense.

Even conspiracy theorists have issues with the ITCCS: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread926267/pg1

Beano

I think we can safely say that the answer to the question posed is NO and close the thread.

Necro

HandoLogan wrote: »

“The Ninth Circle Satanic Cult, a child sacrifice group composed of global elites, appears to be routinely raping, torturing and murdering children” it was announced yesterday by the ITCCS. Recent court filings against the international child kidnapping ring go to court April 7.

Named as chief defendants for the Brussels Common Law Court trial were Pope Francis, Jesuit Superior General Adolfo Pachon and Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby. Among possible Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members named by witnesses who would testify at the trial were former popes Joseph Ratzinger and John Paul II, UK High Court Justice Judge Fulford and members of the British Royal Family.

“Queen Elizabeth had direct involvement in the kidnapping and death of aboriginal children and Royal Family members appeared to regularly participate in Ninth Circle Satanic Cult rituals at the Mohawk Indian School in Brantford Ontario Canada” yesterday’s announcement proclaimed.

According to two affidavits filed in court, not only did different witnesses see Ninth Circle Satanic Cult members commit murder, but claimed the brutal killings of innocent children continued today, some in sub-basement vaults.

· Testimonies of two witnesses who claimed they saw former Pope Joseph Ratzinger, Dutch Cardinal Alfrink and Prince Bernhard take part in a Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murders in Holland and France, one of a little girl in the fall of 1987.

One of those witnesses was Dutch therapist Toos Nijenhuis who in this video interview with Kevin Annett, discussed seeing Ninth Circle Satanic Cult murders as late as 2010. At least one of those murders involved former Pope Ratzinger.

The ITCC reported, "Pope Francis" Jesuit superior general Adolfo Nicholas and Anglican archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby appear connected to the operation and protection of this global child trafficking network. The ring also may include popes John Paul ll and Joseph Ratzinger.


http://wearechange.org/satanic-cult-glob...-children/

http://www.examiner.com/article/popes-gl...lt-murders

No.

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No

super_furry

Yes.

I mean no!

Beano

super_furry wrote: »

Yes.

I mean no!

*snort*

Is this thread a first for the CT forum?

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Beano wrote: »

*snort*

Is this thread a first for the CT forum?

Yes! I mean no?!? I don't know!

Good thread. Really going places.

HandoLogan

So that's it is it, a straight NO, this could not possibly be happening to the most innocent of our society. Did any of you read the information provided by the links, before you slated the thread and asked for it to be closed. There are terrible things happening out there in the world today, even on this Vatican controlled Island children have suffered, terribly, for years, you all know this. Dismissing this thread as being nonsense is easier than admitting it's true and we just don't give a f**k because empathy is fashionable and if something does not affect us and OUR children directly, we can sleep a little easier at night.
Research this subject before you dismiss it, or does being a Catholic mean a you can be a bit " Mentally Handicapped" when it comes to certain truths staring you in the face.
What was revealed to us a number of years ago, and recently with the Saville inquiry, is just a little glimpse behind the veil that has been in place to hide this other world that coexists along side our own, populated by everyone from your neighbour who secretly rapes his children late at night, to your local smiling politician, to your trusted clergyman, right to the top of social, political and religious life.
To those Irish people who ARE aware, and fight the good fight, I applaud you. To those others.... You know what you are.

HandoLogan

HandoLogan

Could you please tell me why I am unable to reply to my own thread. I have tried to post two replies thus far and have not received moderator approval on both. These replies are not offensive in any way. and are not meant to offend the sensibilities of your more vocal and dismissive members.

Enthusiastically awaiting your reply.... Hando

Beano

is something funny going on here? i got a notification that the thread was updated today but i cant see any new posts.

Boards.ie: Niamh

Currently, users with <50 posts cannot post images, links or attachments - these posts need to be approved by a Moderator, hence the delay. Any problems/issue, please take it to PM or correct forum.

/off-topic post

Beano

HandoLogan wrote: »

So that's it is it, a straight NO, this could not possibly be happening to the most innocent of our society. Did any of you read the information provided by the links, before you slated the thread and asked for it to be closed. There are terrible things happening out there in the world today, even on this Vatican controlled Island children have suffered, terribly, for years, you all know this. Dismissing this thread as being nonsense is easier than admitting it's true and we just don't give a f**k because empathy is fashionable and if something does not affect us and OUR children directly, we can sleep a little easier at night.
Research this subject before you dismiss it, or does being a Catholic mean a you can be a bit " Mentally Handicapped" when it comes to certain truths staring you in the face.
What was revealed to us a number of years ago, and recently with the Saville inquiry, is just a little glimpse behind the veil that has been in place to hide this other world that coexists along side our own, populated by everyone from your neighbour who secretly rapes his children late at night, to your local smiling politician, to your trusted clergyman, right to the top of social, political and religious life.
To those Irish people who ARE aware, and fight the good fight, I applaud you. To those others.... You know what you are.

It was dismissed because your source (the ITCCS) has absolutely zero credibility.

Necro

HandoLogan wrote: »

So that's it is it, a straight NO, this could not possibly be happening to the most innocent of our society. Did any of you read the information provided by the links, before you slated the thread and asked for it to be closed. There are terrible things happening out there in the world today, even on this Vatican controlled Island children have suffered, terribly, for years, you all know this. Dismissing this thread as being nonsense is easier than admitting it's true and we just don't give a f**k because empathy is fashionable and if something does not affect us and OUR children directly, we can sleep a little easier at night.
Research this subject before you dismiss it, or does being a Catholic mean a you can be a bit " Mentally Handicapped" when it comes to certain truths staring you in the face.
What was revealed to us a number of years ago, and recently with the Saville inquiry, is just a little glimpse behind the veil that has been in place to hide this other world that coexists along side our own, populated by everyone from your neighbour who secretly rapes his children late at night, to your local smiling politician, to your trusted clergyman, right to the top of social, political and religious life.
To those Irish people who ARE aware, and fight the good fight, I applaud you. To those others.... You know what you are.

No.

Beano

HandoLogan wrote: »

So that's it is it, a straight NO, this could not possibly be happening to the most innocent of our society. Did any of you read the information provided by the links, before you slated the thread and asked for it to be closed. There are terrible things happening out there in the world today, even on this Vatican controlled Island children have suffered, terribly, for years, you all know this. Dismissing this thread as being nonsense is easier than admitting it's true and we just don't give a f**k because empathy is fashionable and if something does not affect us and OUR children directly, we can sleep a little easier at night.
Research this subject before you dismiss it, or does being a Catholic mean a you can be a bit " Mentally Handicapped" when it comes to certain truths staring you in the face.
What was revealed to us a number of years ago, and recently with the Saville inquiry, is just a little glimpse behind the veil that has been in place to hide this other world that coexists along side our own, populated by everyone from your neighbour who secretly rapes his children late at night, to your local smiling politician, to your trusted clergyman, right to the top of social, political and religious life.
To those Irish people who ARE aware, and fight the good fight, I applaud you. To those others.... You know what you are.

To give you a fuller answer you are making the classic mistake of taking something very real (the abuse of children by members of the catholic church) and trying to make out that the entire church are actively involved in these pursuits, including a number of Popes.

There have been terrible things done to children by members of the clergy. These acts became known to senior figures in the church hierarchy (include JP II) who decided to cover up these acts rather than punish the guilty parties. So there are a number of very senior catholic clergy who should answer criminal charges in respect of this cover up, ratzinger included. It is also possible that this is behind him standing down as Pope.

This Brussels common law court is not the place for that action as it has no legal standing whatsoever and any so-called 'trial' there would amount to a sham. Proper legal action needs to be taken by the authorities with the correct legal powers. However this is now very unlikely to happen especially in Ireland. So that is where the conspiracy lies. It lies in the cover-up of abuse. it does not lie in child -abuse orgies/murders committed by senior members of the church and the british royal family. If you wish to make those claims you need some pretty significant proof. And the words of one man in Brussels do not constitute that proof.

Torakx

You probably couldn't get a pope or anyone backed by the vatican into a court outside of the vatican state anyway.
Other countries could certainly ask the state if they can deport a criminal, but it would I think be up to the church.

kryogen

Short answer no with a but
Long answer yes with an if

Michelekennedy

Absolutely with you on this. Been researching this topic which crops up with alarming regularity when researching Vatican, Elite, Royalty etc and I'm very dissappointed at the utter dismissal of the majority who refuse to contemplate this horror. Where are the hundreds of thousands of children who go missing worldwide every year? We live in a sick world and its just as sickening that it's happening under the noses of so called christian/humanist population. Thanks.

Beano

Michelekennedy wrote: »

Absolutely with you on this. Been researching this topic which crops up with alarming regularity when researching Vatican, Elite, Royalty etc and I'm very dissappointed at the utter dismissal of the majority who refuse to contemplate this horror. Where are the hundreds of thousands of children who go missing worldwide every year? We live in a sick world and its just as sickening that it's happening under the noses of so called christian/humanist population. Thanks.

Do you have any evidence to present to back up the claims that there is a cabal of satanists that includes the Pope, the Queen of England and other such members of society? Just because something is repeated continually does not make true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Also, if you going to use statistics you need to be careful of the source and what the statistic actually counts. I can well believe that there are hundreds pf thousands of children who go missing worldwide every year. But "Missing" in this instance would not mean they disappeared never to be see again and ending up as the star attraction at a satanic ritual attended by the Pope. A kid who cant be found but turns up an hour or so later would be counted as "Missing" in those stats.

Harold Weiss

I've no doubt there are rich/wealthy/powerful people that abuse children sexually and I've no doubt some of those children end up being murdered to cover up the crime.

For me personally, the whole satanic ritual element is more disinformation than anything. It's intended to discredit those who claim rich/wealthy/powerful people abuse children with impunity.

Look at Jimmy Savile, how on earth do people think he got away with his abuse of children for so long? He was protected by pillars of society. He was able to get away with his abuse of kids because if he went down, so would many other important people.

This infantile belief that pedophiles don't exist within the powerful members of society is an extremely dangerous one because it leaves many children vulnerable.

Tony Blair even issued a D-Notice in 2003 to cover up the fact members of his cabinet were pedophiles.

The man is a war criminal and also protecting child abusers. A disgusting, degenerate man that still gets praise and reverence where ever he goes.

Police also discovered links between British Labour government paedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal (including young boys from the Casa Pia orphanage in Portugal).

Flippyfloppy

Harold Weiss wrote: »

I've no doubt there are rich/wealthy/powerful people that abuse children sexually and I've no doubt some of those children end up being murdered to cover up the crime.

For me personally, the whole satanic ritual element is more disinformation than anything. It's intended to discredit those who claim rich/wealthy/powerful people abuse children with impunity.

Look at Jimmy Savile, how on earth do people think he got away with his abuse of children for so long? He was protected by pillars of society. He was able to get away with his abuse of kids because if he went down, so would many other important people.

This infantile belief that pedophiles don't exist within the powerful members of society is an extremely dangerous one because it leaves many children vulnerable.

Tony Blair even issued a D-Notice in 2003 to cover up the fact members of his cabinet were pedophiles.

The man is a war criminal and also protecting child abusers. A disgusting, degenerate man that still gets praise and reverence where ever he goes.

Can you back this up??

Beano

Harold Weiss wrote: »

I've no doubt there are rich/wealthy/powerful people that abuse children sexually and I've no doubt some of those children end up being murdered to cover up the crime.

For me personally, the whole satanic ritual element is more disinformation than anything. It's intended to discredit those who claim rich/wealthy/powerful people abuse children with impunity.

Look at Jimmy Savile, how on earth do people think he got away with his abuse of children for so long? He was protected by pillars of society. He was able to get away with his abuse of kids because if he went down, so would many other important people.

This infantile belief that pedophiles don't exist within the powerful members of society is an extremely dangerous one because it leaves many children vulnerable.

I dont think anybody on here would deny this. I said this myself in an earlier post. Where the problem lies is when people take and try to sensationalise it by making rabid claims such as the queen being directly involved in the abduction of children. Somehow the image of the Queen bundling children into the back of her landrover just doesnt ring true.

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Tony Blair even issued a D-Notice in 2003 to cover up the fact members of his cabinet were pedophiles.

The man is a war criminal and also protecting child abusers. A disgusting, degenerate man that still gets praise and reverence where ever he goes.

I dont think you know what a d notice is. A d notice is a voluntary code adhered to by british newspapers that covers material of a sensitive nature such as the military and intelligence work. Have you any proof that this was used to cover up material such as this?

Harold Weiss

If it wasn't a D-Notice, why didn't the media report the names of those caught by Operation Ore? Because they couldn't.

The Sunday Times has obtained Operation Ore's entire list of UK subscribers to child porn sites. Containing 7,272 names, the list includes 'at least 20 senior executives' and a 'senior teacher at an exclusive girl's public school, services personnel from at least five military bases, GPs, university academics and civil servants."

There's more: a "famous newspaper columnist is named, along with a song writer for a legendary pop band and a member of another chart-topping 1980s cult pop group, along with an official with the Church of England."

Child porn list leaked to Sunday Times

Ministers, MPs and judges are understood to be among others under investigation by Operation Ore. Earlier this month Jonathan Collard, head of geography at Great Walstead, a prep school in West Sussex, resigned after he was questioned.

Staff at public school in child porn inquiry

I mean...it's not bad enough Tony Blair knowingly lied to take UK to war against a third world country like Iraq which led to millions of refugees and dead people with a completely destabilized nation but people still adore the scumbag....

I'll never understand why anyone ...ANYONE would think Tony Blair was a good man.

Beano

Harold Weiss wrote: »

If it wasn't a D-Notice, why didn't the media report the names of those caught by Operation Ore? Because they couldn't.

Perhaps because doing so would be possibly libelous? You seem to have found everybody on the list guilty before the investigation was even complete. Also, as the wikipedia article on operation Ore says

An investigation followed the leak, and police complained that the advance warning would allow suspected paedophiles to dispose of evidence.

I also dont see any mention anywhere of any MPs actually being convicted of any offences arising from this. Are you going to tell me that that Tony Blair prevented the police from investigating them?

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Child porn list leaked to Sunday Times



Staff at public school in child porn inquiry

I dont see any mention in there of a d notice.

Harold Weiss wrote: »

I mean...it's not bad enough Tony Blair knowingly lied to take UK to war against a third world country like Iraq which led to millions of refugees and dead people with a completely destabilized nation but people still adore the scumbag....

I'll never understand why anyone ...ANYONE would think Tony Blair was a good man.

So if anybody argues with you and asks you for proof of your assertions it must be because they think Tony Blair is a jolly good bloke?

weisses

Beano wrote: »

Do you have any evidence to present to back up the claims that there is a cabal of satanists that includes the Pope, the Queen of England and other such members of society?

Do you think if that evidence or extraordinary proof was there this topic would be discussed in this section of boards ?

Harold Weiss

Perhaps because doing so would be possibly libelous? You seem to have found everybody on the list guilty before the investigation was even complete. Also, as the wikipedia article on operation Ore says

The list was leaked in 2003, it's now 2014 and we still don't know who's on it.
How do you explain this? I suppose it's because they were all innocent..

Tony Blair hand picked Lord Hutton to head up an investigation into death of UN weapons expert, David Kelly.
Naturally enough, the documents related to David Kelly will be classified for ~70 years but that's only because Tony Blair did the right
thing by invading Iraq with US and butchering innocent people for power.

He would never attempt to hide crimes from the public.

Beano

Harold Weiss wrote: »

The list was leaked in 2003, it's now 2014 and we still don't know who's on it.
How do you explain this? I suppose it's because they were all innocent..

I'm pretty sure the the 1451 who were convicted (out of 1848 charged) and the nearly 500 cautioned were guilty. The information on these people is in the public domain. What good would it serve to release the names of the other people on the list who were not guilty of an offence?

Harold Weiss wrote: »

Tony Blair hand picked Lord Hutton to head up an investigation into UN weapons expert, David Kelly.
Naturally enough, the documents related to David Kelly will be classified for ~70 years but that's only because Tony Blair did the right
thing by invading Iraq with US and butchering innocent people for power.

you dont like Tony Blair. We've got that.

Beano

weisses wrote: »

Do you think if that evidence or extraordinary proof was there this topic would be discussed in this section of boards ?

So if there is no evidence or proof then what is this claim based on?

So its ok to make these claims without any shred of evidence at all? So if i started a thread where i claimed that you were the head of a paedophile ring that would be ok? I dont have any evidence or anything but its ok this is the CT forum.

Harold Weiss

Beano wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the the 1451 who were convicted (out of 1848 charged) and the nearly 500 cautioned were guilty. The information on these people is in the public domain. What good would it serve to release the names of the other people on the list who were not guilty of an offence?

You're assuming they're innocent because they weren't prosecuted but maybe perhaps there was lack of evidence.
Lack of evidence because Tony Blair ensured his upstanding ministers would be given advance warning of a search warrant.

you dont like Tony Blair. We've got that.

The point is, Tony Blair is a psychopath and would protect the party and his self image by whatever means possible.

When it was revealed in Operation Amethyst (2002) Judge Brian Curtin was accessing child porn online, what happened to him?

The case against him collapsed due to outdated search warrant (how convenient) then he just resigned on grounds of "ill health" and now enjoys a state pension.

The laws of the land don't apply to the wealthy and when they are applied, it's usually a lite-version.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so, tony blair got someone to print the wrong date on a search warrant?

Harold Weiss

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

so, tony blair got someone to print the wrong date on a search warrant?

I'm suggesting any of his MPs / Ministers could easily have been given advance warning of an impending search warrant which would enable those accused of accessing child porn to dispose of potential evidence.

Seems clear enough.

Beano

Harold Weiss wrote: »

You're assuming they're innocent because they weren't prosecuted but maybe perhaps there was lack of evidence.
Lack of evidence because Tony Blair ensured his upstanding ministers would be given advance warning of a search warrant.

It was the leaking of the list that gave people advance warning of a possible search warrant. The list was not leaked by Tony Blair.

Beano

Harold Weiss wrote: »

I'm suggesting any of his MPs / Ministers could easily have been given advance warning of an impending search warrant which would enable those accused of accessing child porn to dispose of potential evidence.

Seems clear enough.

Even if they did have advance warning and destroyed their home computers that would not be enough to get them off. There were people charged even when no evidence of child pornography was found on their home computers.

weisses

Beano wrote: »

So if there is no evidence or proof then what is this claim based on?

So its ok to make these claims without any shred of evidence at all? So if i started a thread where i claimed that you were the head of a paedophile ring that would be ok? I dont have any evidence or anything but its ok this is the CT forum.

If you can make your "claim" with the kind of information brought forward in the OP we can discuss it yes ... Its conspiracy theories and not conspiracy evidence, i don't even agree with the OP but the way you want this to be discussed leaves no room for anything other then evidence based peer reviewed proven theories that maybe leave some room for a conspiracy

I totally agree with you its far fetched but if there was concrete evidence for this or chem trails or any other CT as discussed here then it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory anymore and therefore not discussed here

Torakx

Beano wrote: »

It was the leaking of the list that gave people advance warning of a possible search warrant. The list was not leaked by Tony Blair.

Who exactly leaked the list? Who did they work for? Are you sure they had no connection at all to Blair?

Beano

Torakx wrote: »

Who exactly leaked the list? Who did they work for? Are you sure they had no connection at all to Blair?

it was leaked by the police. or rather a policeman. who was supposedly sacked for doing so.

amorphous

of course

Absolam

weisses wrote: »

If you can make your "claim" with the kind of information brought forward in the OP we can discuss it yes ... Its conspiracy theories and not conspiracy evidence, i don't even agree with the OP but the way you want this to be discussed leaves no room for anything other then evidence based peer reviewed proven theories that maybe leave some room for a conspiracy. I totally agree with you its far fetched but if there was concrete evidence for this or chem trails or any other CT as discussed here then it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory anymore and therefore not discussed here

Surely the point of a conspiracy theory is not that it's a pile of unfounded speculation thrown out to see what sticks, but that given a set of evident facts which can be proven, it may be theorised that a conspiracy has occurred?

Torakx

I see plenty of facts that can be related or connected to people in various ways and situations or through other aquaintances. Others can contest these connections, but the facts remain. The connection is quite possible but not provable. That is a clear enough basis to consider something a conspiracy theory.
Now you might ask me what are these facts. But they have been covered already.
So I will refrain from going in circles repeating the same things over again.
It's for the most part spread across the Ct forums in various threads.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056854615
Here would be a good place to start the research and catching up, if anyone has missed out.

Beano

Torakx wrote: »

I see plenty of facts that can be related or connected to people in various ways and situations or through other aquaintances. Others can contest these connections, but the facts remain. The connection is quite possible but not provable. That is a clear enough basis to consider something a conspiracy theory.
Now you might ask me what are these facts. But they have been covered already.
So I will refrain from going in circles repeating the same things over again.
It's for the most part spread across the Ct forums in various threads.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056854615
Here would be a good place to start the research and catching up, if anyone has missed out.

There is nothing in the OP of this thread that amounts to a fact. The thread you linked to takes a known fact (that saville was a paedophile) and via a serious of tenuous connections claim that Prince Charles was in on it with him. Pure rubbish for the most part.

Absolam

Torakx wrote: »

I see plenty of facts that can be related or connected to people in various ways and situations or through other aquaintances. Others can contest these connections, but the facts remain. The connection is quite possible but not provable. That is a clear enough basis to consider something a conspiracy theory.
Now you might ask me what are these facts. But they have been covered already.
So I will refrain from going in circles repeating the same things over again.
It's for the most part spread across the Ct forums in various threads.

I wouldn't dispute for a moment that there's a plethora of facts around the place, and there are some facts spread across the Ct forums in various threads. But if you're proposing a conspiracy theory based on some of those facts, you really ought to pull the facts together to show what your theory is based on. An allusion to the existence of facts in general doesn't really get you any further than the fact that there may be facts relevant to your ideas.

Torakx

Very true, both make good points...for the most part anyway.
However, my point was that there are reasonable assumptions made already and evidence to make those assumptions on.
If you wish to find answers or discover these things, I have linked a good resource to get you started.
If you wish to discuss what a conspiracy theory is, I don't have as much to offer, or think this is the best place to do so.

My time is very precious, so unfortunately I can't walk everyone through the same process every time this comes up in a new thread.
Is a merge possible somehow?

Absolam

Torakx wrote: »

However, my point was that there are reasonable assumptions made already and evidence to make those assumptions on.

And my point was if you don't tell us what they are, how are we to knoe\w if they relate to the conspiracy theory at hand?

Torakx wrote: »

If you wish to find answers or discover these things, I have linked a good resource to get you started.

You've linked to another conspiracy theory discussion thread. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that's a resource?

Torakx wrote: »

My time is very precious, so unfortunately I can't walk everyone through the same process every time this comes up in a new thread.
Is a merge possible somehow?

Every time what comes up?

Torakx

Absolam wrote: »

And my point was if you don't tell us what they are, how are we to knoe\w if they relate to the conspiracy theory at hand?

You've linked to another conspiracy theory discussion thread. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that's a resource?

Every time what comes up?

I was mainly giving the thread for Beano as I am fairly sure you have been through the thread linked and it is of no use to you personally.

Try haute de la grenne for example(if I got the name right).
The whole conspiracy around that.
Pie and Mash films covered it fairly well, albeit a bit too enthusiastically.

But Absolam you have already covered this right? We have no reason to discuss it between us, if you have and completely discounted any of the things I would consider evidence of a conspiracy.
This one has connections to royalty if I remember right, but no proof. The hard evidence is of murders of children at the least. The speculation is regarding the owners, the supporters and visitors of that place when it was housing vunerable children.

If people want to just argue the same things over again, instead of sharing information, it would seem like a waste of energy to me.
These things have been argued and discussed in the other thread.
So I am sharing information on those theories by giving the link for people to catch up.
You don't have to read it.The option to completely ignore my comments is there, especially if you have something new to add to this discussion. In that case I would also like to read that.

To try answer the last two questions.
It is exactly that... a resource, in repsect to the forum based around conspiracies.

The topic of satanic types influences and child abuse. Many regulars here have spent a great deal of time covering this topic.

Absolam

Torakx wrote: »

Try haute de la grenne for example(if I got the name right). The whole conspiracy around that. Pie and Mash films covered it fairly well, albeit a bit too enthusiastically.

Yes. You could start a thread on that, present the facts that support your conspiracy theory, and we could discuss it.
But the fact that some people believe there may be a conspiracy theory surrounding events in Haute Garonne is not a fact supporting a conspiracy theory involving a Satanic cult of global leaders and Vatican heads murdering children.

Torakx wrote: »

This one has connections to royalty if I remember right, but no proof. The hard evidence is of murders of children at the least. The speculation is regarding the owners, the supporters and visitors of that place when it was housing vunerable children.

Yes, it was a different conspiracy theory. Unless you feel there were specific facts relevant to this theory, why bring it up? And if there are specifically relevant facts, why not show them instead of vague references to something else?

Torakx wrote: »

If people want to just argue the same things over again, instead of sharing information, it would seem like a waste of energy to me. These things have been argued and discussed in the other thread.
So I am sharing information on those theories by giving the link for people to catch up.

But you're not showing any relevance to the subject at hand.

Torakx wrote: »

It is exactly that... a resource, in repsect to the forum based around conspiracies.

With all due respect, it is not. It is a discussion thread about a particular conspiracy theory containing second or third hand information and opinion. As resources go, it has no value other than to point out people like conspiracy theories.

Torakx wrote: »

The topic of satanic types influences and child abuse. Many regulars here have spent a great deal of time covering this topic.

How many times has the topic come up that it has become difficult for you to walk everyone through the same process? This is the only such thread in CT that has been active in the last three months as far as I can see?

Torakx

Bombardment haha

1st point, vatican no, royalty and global leaders yes.
I don't need a new thread. But if you can't be bothered to read the reference I gave, you could always start a new thread on Haute De La Grenne and someone might link you the relevant videos and research already done.
I do understand it's difficult to agrue a particular topic, when it is well passed in that thread. My intention was for passing information and ideas. Not arguing whther they are true or false. This has already been done and I would guess you took part in the case of Haut de La Grenne anyway. Could be wrong though!

2nd point.
It may not be a different conspiracy. the topic here is about satanic cults, global leaders and the vatican heads, regarding the murder of children.
They don't necessarily all have to be the one combined incident or situation.
I don't show them, because I don't have imediate access to them. I just know they are discussed a lot, very likely in the thread I linked.
The information is not for my sake. but for those interested enough in the topic to look. Therefore it may not be relvant to you. that's not for me to decide.


3rd point.
Relevance is in the title of the linked thread.
"Saville & satanic ritual abuse"
It doesn't take a genius to guess what the content might contain, especially when I linked it to this thread and explained it covered topics relevant to this discussion.
If you haven't been paying attention to the news or this forum at the time, you may not know that Saville courted royalty and high ranking politicians, while organising and taking part in the abuse and I would say, murder of children.

4th point.
I dissagree. The thread holds facts, speculation and circumstantial evidence. Which is a fiarly good resource when seeking conspiracy theories. It is a resource OF conspiracy theories and the parts that make those thoeires tangible for people on these forums, that are interested in conspiracy theories.

5th.
The topic comes up a lot in each thread, after a certain amount of pages. It becomes tiring repeating arguements and going repeatedly back to link previous discussion.
I don't have any anger towards this though. It is just a little frustrating, when I am eager for new information. I think I bare my frustration well enough.

Further comments:
I understand your point on linking the exact information that pertains to this CT. But there is a whole thread of it! And very relevant.
Even the objections are relevant and should be considered.
Why repeat history, when we can learn from it and move forward?
To learn we must research and read. i gave the link for a great beginning on that research. To lead you by the hand through the whole thread would take me a very long time and involve posting hundreds? of different links and posts into this thread.
Nobody is being forced to read it or my comments. There is an ignore function if I am an irritation or disruption for anyone here.
As it is, this discussion on the relevance of a link to a thread on this topic, is a waste of space. Which could have been used for new information or ideas on the topic. Or a discussion of information spanned across the linked thread.

I expect a very long reply to this one. And I will read it. But I don't think I have much else to say on the topic of a link.
I completely understand the points your making and just do not have time to spend hours going through that thread, when a new visitor to this topic, can read it all with fresh eyes and learn quite a lot, which can enable them to better take part in any further discussions relating to satanic abuse in general.

enno99

Do everyone agree that Pedophiles satanists murderers exist ?

If you do

what makes you think that Vatican heads/Royals/elites/satanists are exempt from Murderous Pedophile Satanic tendencies

Are they not human ( I use the term loosely)

The Vatican (catholic church)
Is cesspit of abusers Are we expected us to believe that none of the unfortunate children lost their lives while being tortured and raped or deliberately murdered to keep them quite

Satanists
Do you not think that someone who could torture and rape a child would be more inclined to practice this whether they be Royals ordained priests etc

(remember reading that is ok to state Satanism as your religion in the Royal Navy also just recently students at Harvard or Yale cant remember which got the go ahead to practice a Satanic Mass )

Navy approves first ever Satanist
Type 22 frigate
Mr Cranmer will be allowed to perform Satanic rituals
The British Armed Forces has officially recognized its first registered Satanist, a newspaper reports.

Naval technician Chris Cranmer, 24, has been allowed to register by the captain of HMS Cumberland, based at Devonport Naval Base in Plymouth.

The move will mean that he will now be allowed to perform Satanic rituals on board the vessel.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3948329.stm

Gues who heads up that ?

Seems they canceled the black mass in Harvard

Satanic 'Black Mass' at Harvard canceled

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/05/13/black-mass-harvard-canceled/9030131/

You couldn't make this sh!t up

Royals

Well we are just useless eaters to them and need to be culled. Rape. Torture. Murder probably just think its light entertainment and part of the process



I think if this can of worms ever gets properly kicked over an awful lot of them worms will have funny little aprons on them

enno99

@ Torakx

You are 100% right to not get drawn into searching threads for others who want to be led by the hand and cant be bothered to have look for themselves

And yes I have seen you state this type of sentiment on other threads also more than once

Im sure Absolam knew quite well what you meant but he likes to have his fun

Absolam

enno99 wrote: »

Do everyone agree that Pedophiles satanists murderers exist ?

No. But I'm willing to consider any evidence you present for the case.

enno99 wrote: »

what makes you think that Vatican heads/Royals/elites/satanists are exempt from Murderous Pedophile Satanic tendencies

What makes you think they would be subject to such tendancies? Are they more or less likely to be subject to them, and if so why?

enno99 wrote: »

Are they not human ( I use the term loosely)

What reason have you to believe that anyone is not human (I use the term specifically).

enno99 wrote: »

The Vatican (catholic church) Is cesspit of abusers Are we expected us to believe that none of the unfortunate children lost their lives while being tortured and raped or deliberately murdered to keep them quite

Are you expecting us to believe that unfortunate children were tortured and raped in the Vatican and deliberately murdered to keep them quite? Why do you expect us to believe that?

enno99 wrote: »

Satanists
Do you not think that someone who could torture and rape a child would be more inclined to practice this whether they be Royals ordained priests etc

Why do you think people who can torture and rape a child are more inclined to be Satanists? Are you referring to specific Royals or ordained priests of specific religions?

enno99 wrote: »

(remember reading that is ok to state Satanism as your religion in the Royal Navy also just recently students at Harvard or Yale cant remember which got the go ahead to practice a Satanic Mass )

Do you believe it should not be ok to state Satanism as your religion in the Royal Navy? Do you see yourself as a religious bigot?

enno99 wrote: »

Gues who heads up that ?

Who heads up what?

enno99 wrote: »

Seems they canceled the black mass in Harvard

Does that mean your previous point was pointless?

enno99 wrote: »

Royals Well we are just useless eaters to them and need to be culled. Rape. Torture. Murder probably just think its light entertainment and part of the process

What exactly do you mean by this? Do you think a Royal family somewhere culls, rapes and tortures people somewhere as part of a process? Where? How? What process?

enno99 wrote: »

I think if this can of worms ever gets properly kicked over an awful lot of them worms will have funny little aprons on them

What kind of worms wear aprons? Are you trying to make an allusion because you don't want to actually make a statement which would need to be justified?

enno99 wrote: »

@ Torakx You are 100% right to not get drawn into searching threads for others who want to be led by the hand and cant be bothered to have look for themselves And yes I have seen you state this type of sentiment on other threads also more than once Im sure Absolam knew quite well what you meant but he likes to have his fun

I agree, it's dreadfully difficult to feel like you're revealing your astonishing knowledge and make wildly entertaining allegations when people bog your fantasy flights down with mundane things like facts, logic and substantiation.

Torakx

What reason have you to believe that anyone is not human (I use the term specifically).

Sorry buddy, but this lost you a lot of credit. I actually thought you wanted to discuss things here, but I see now it may not be the case.
At least I know not to bother responding anymore
Pity, you sometimes make some really valid points.
But to counter the attempts at a thread derail(because that seems to be what the agenda is overall now) I will produce information in order for you folks not to get the thread closed.


http://www.tldm.org/news/martin.htm

In The Fatima Crusader article, Malachi Martin, a scholar, Vatican insider, and best-selling author, said, “Anybody who is acquainted with the state of affairs in the Vatican in the last 35 years is well aware that the prince of darkness has had and still has his surrogates in the court of St. Peter in Rome.”
From 1958 until 1964, Jesuit priest Malachi Martin served in Rome where he was a close associate of, and carried out many sensitive missions for the renowned Jesuit Cardinal Augustin Bea and the pope. Released afterwards from his vows of poverty and obedience at his own request (but still a priest), he ultimately moved to New York and became a best-selling writer of fiction and non-fiction.
Martin had first made reference to a diabolic rite held in Rome in his 1990 non-fiction best-seller about geopolitics and the Vatican, The Keys of This Blood, in which he wrote:

"Most frighteningly for [Pope] John Paul [II], he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishops’ chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the ‘superforce.’ Rumors, always difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Pope Paul VI’s reign in 1963. Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia—rites and practices— was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites." (p. 632)

These allegations have largely gone unnoticed, possibly because he was so crafty in his descriptions that he might even have been referring to the coronation of Pope Paul VI. But he revealed much more about this alleged ritual in one of his last works, Windswept House: A Vatican Novel (1996). In this story, he vividly described a ceremony called “The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer” supposedly held in St. Paul’s Chapel in the Vatican, but linked with concurrent satanic rites here in the U.S., on June 29, 1963, barely a week after the election of Paul VI. In the novel, before he dies, a pope leaves a secret account of the situation on his desk for the next occupant of the throne of Peter, a thinly-disguised John Paul II.
According to The New American, Martin confirmed that the ceremony did indeed occur as he had described. “Oh yes, it is true; very much so,” the magazine reported he said. “But the only way I could put that down into print is in novelistic form.”
Martin's accusation of a satanic ritual at the Vatican was also confirmed by John Loeffler, host of the Steel on Steel radio show. Mr. Loeffler personally asked Fr. Malachi Martin (who had been a regular guest on his show) about the reported dedication to satan within the Vatican:

"You know Malachi confirmed—the first part of his book, Windswept House—he confirmed the dedication of the Vatican to satan in a secret ceremony that occurred unknown even to the Pope at that time, that he managed to pick up. And I did ask him, 'Was this true? Did it happen?' And he [Fr. Martin] said, 'yes, it did.'" - John Loeffler (July 29, 2000 radio show)

Something to investigate, but I am sure the site itself could be questioned as to it's reliability. The story it covers, I don't know yet.

Here's a fantastic(in the true sense of the word) account.
http://www.rense.com/general69/claims.htm

Possibly made by zionists to counter another side, or just to add confusion in the mix, or possibly true.