Pulled over for speeding

gym girl88

Hi.
I was pulled over on 120km road outside cork last week.
I was doing roughly 140 -145km
a undermarked car pulled me over and garda asked me if I knew why he pulled me over I said no.
He said he was behind me and I pulled away from him.
he asked where I was going I told him and he asked if I had been at work I said yeah and where I worked. He asked for licence he just looked and it and closed it.
He said I need to slow down and cop on and that I need to think about what if I crashed etc.
he then said I dont think a fine or points is goiing to do any good. He handed me back my licence told me to slow down and got back in his car
Does this mean iam getting a summons or points or what? Cobsidering he took no details and had no way of telling me my exact speed.
he said I need to slow down tthatif I crash3d id die

Red_Dwarf

gym girl88 wrote: »

Hi.
I was pulled over on 120km road outside cork last week.
I was doing roughly 140 -145km
a undermarked car pulled me over and garda asked me if I knew why he pulled me over I said no.
He said he was behind me and I pulled away from him.
he asked where I was going I told him and he asked if I had been at work I said yeah and where I worked. He asked for licence he just looked and it and closed it.
He said I need to slow down and cop on and that I need to think about what if I crashed etc.
he then said I dont think a fine or points is goiing to do any good. He handed me back my licence told me to slow down and got back in his car
Does this mean iam getting a summons or points or what? Cobsidering he took no details and had no way of telling me my exact speed.
he said I need to slow down tthatif I crash3d id die

You are going to have to wait and see. Im guessing a Summons

flazio

I think you're OK this time, just take heed of his warning.

MarkR

If you don't get a fine, take it as a sign and slow down. If you do, lesson learnt.

131spanner

Sounds like he's decided to let you go with a telling off.

bear1

Sound cop for doing that.
By rights you should be getting the 2 points and 80e but if he took nothing down then pay head to his warning and watch that speed.

deandean

Are you good looking sounds like he might have let you off.

gym girl88

I hope he did. Iam seriously going to cop on though. Was a stupid thing to do.

Groundsource

consider yourself lucky and heed the warning. BTW unless the Garda had a record (by that i mean a print out) of the speed you were doing then it could not be proved exactly what speed you were at.

Kneelson

you're in the clear. . he would've taken all the details off your licence and reg plate.. He also would've asked you are you still living at address on licence..

Zubeneschamali

Groundsource wrote: »

unless the Garda had a record (by that i mean a print out) of the speed you were doing then it could not be proved exactly what speed you were at.

A court will take a guards word for it, even if you don't think that's proof.

Kneelson

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

A court will take a guards word for it, even if you don't think that's proof.

But he must show the driver the speed on their speed detector gun (hairdryer).. Ge didn't do this either

tomtucker81

Groundsource wrote: »

consider yourself lucky and heed the warning. BTW unless the Garda had a record (by that i mean a print out) of the speed you were doing then it could not be proved exactly what speed you were at.

No print out is needed. For instance a garda can show you the speed you were alleged to be doing on the screen of the speed gun. You dont get a print out.
Anyway in this case it seems the garda didn't take any details and just gave you a telling off.

Groundsource

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

A court will take a guards word for it, even if you don't think that's proof.

Perhaps but the charge would be one of 'Dangerous Driving' not speeding if no evidence of speeding exists.
In any case looks like a stern warning applied in this case and I hope OP takes notice and slows down, its not worth it. Rather be late than dead.

gym girl88

Yes I have.

Groundsource

tomtucker81 wrote: »

No print out is needed. For instance a garda can show you the speed you were alleged to be doing on the screen of the speed gun. You dont get a print out.
Anyway in this case it seems the garda didn't take any details and just gave you a telling off.

Documented evidence regarding speeding is required in court. Fine if Garda shows you the screen shot, but he will then proceed to fill out a nice form for you to take away with you. Thats the evidence.

duchalla

2 years ago, I was driving over the county bounds (Cork and Kerry), an area known for catching speedsters, I was in the overtaking lane overtaking a car, when the knob I was overtaking decided to put the boot down a little, which made me do the same to overtake him. Out of the corner of my eye I spotted a white car parked in off the road, which I presumed was a garda car, I pulled in at the top of the hill, half knowing that the garda car wouldnt be far behind me, but haf hoping that it wouldnt.
Anyway, sure enough, about 30 seconds later I see the garda car comming up the hill lights flashing and pulling in behind me. Garda hops out of the car, comes up to me, asks me for my licence and why was I stopped? told him I was going over the speed limit and saw the garda car, so I said I'd stop at the top of the hill and wait for ye! I dunno if this impressed him or threw him a little, but his whole attitude changed, he said yeah, we clocked you at 120 kms, (showed me the reading off the gun). I told him the reason I was doing that speed was coz the fella I was overtaking put the boot down as I was overtaking him.
I apologised to him, he took my licence into the garda car for a minute or 2, came back and said "look, I'm going to leave you off this time, fair play for being honest with me, just slow down a small bit". I thanked him and off to the Kingdom with me.
Thats my story, I'd say you're in the clear OP, like me it seems you meet a decent member of An Garda Siochana.

Zubeneschamali

Groundsource wrote: »

Documented evidence regarding speeding is required in court.

Required by whom? Where is this written in law?

tomtucker81

The garda doesn't fill in a form for you to take away with you. Rather he will note your details down and later issue a fine on the computer to you, which arrives via post to you.

if you dont pay you are then summonsed. In court the garda will tell the judge his evidence, I.e. that he stopped car reg no *** driving on such a road, at such a speed. The driver was mr.****. The garda wont produce any printout as evidence. It is not required as part of evidence.

Groundsource

tomtucker81 wrote: »

The garda doesn't fill in a form for you to take away with you. Rather he will note your details down and later issue a fine on the computer to you, which arrives via post to you.

if you dont pay you are then summonsed. In court the garda will tell the judge his evidence, I.e. that he stopped car reg no *** driving on such a road, at such a speed. The driver was mr.****. The garda wont produce any printout as evidence. It is not required as part of evidence.

The evidence is that he showed you the screen shot and documented it in this book. Wiothout this there is no case.

Zubeneschamali

Groundsource wrote: »

The evidence is that he showed you the screen shot and documented it in this book. Wiothout this there is no case.

You are making this up.

Groundsource

How do you prove guilt without evidence Thank God for the 'Unfollow' Button.

Zubeneschamali

Groundsource wrote: »

How do you prove guilt without evidence Thank God for the 'Unfollow' Button.

A witnesses testimony is evidence, and you know less than nothing about it.

28064212

Groundsource wrote: »

How do you prove guilt without evidence Thank God for the 'Unfollow' Button.

What evidence do you think is submitted? There's the garda's verbal testimony, that such and such a car was doing this speed at this time and place. Then what?

Bio Mech

Groundsource wrote: »

BTW unless the Garda had a record (by that i mean a print out) of the speed you were doing then it could not be proved exactly what speed you were at.

Kneelson wrote: »

But he must show the driver the speed on their speed detector gun (hairdryer).. Ge didn't do this either

These two posts are classic examples of people posting stuff that they have no idea about and saying it like its gospel.

Firstly the word of a Garda will be taken in court based on the speed they were driving and the relative speed of the offender.

Second how would they show you the speed reading on a gun they don't have?

Bio Mech

Groundsource wrote: »

The evidence is that he showed you the screen shot and documented it in this book. Wiothout this there is no case.

You have no idea what you are on about. You are clueless. OP please don't pay any attention to this poster. Its all make believe.

tomtucker81

Groundsource wrote: »

The evidence is that he showed you the screen shot and documented it in this book. Wiothout this there is no case.

The garda gives evidence verbally in court. He does not have to show his notebook in court, unless the judge or defence ask to see same.
Even then, they can only ask to see the notebook if the garda has relied on it to refresh his memory for his evidence.

The notebook entry is not evidence. Say the garda actually knows the fella before the court, as could be the case in rural areas. The garda could easily remember the reg no of the car, the speed and location and date if it was someone he knows in the locality. Therefore he wont refer to his notebook. Therefore there is no documented evidence. Just verbal. No printouts.

Op, you got the benefit of discretion id imagine!!

gym girl88

Well ive no points or never been in trouble with gardai so hopfully. Ive learned my lesson though. I wont be so Stupid again

kmc25_1

I was stopped by a Garda in Dublin in a 30 mph zone. He said his colleague had clocked me further down the road breaking the speed limit.
He took my details and said i could go. He mentioned i might get a letter but I took it as a warning and counted my lucky stars.
6 months later a summons arrived in the door :-(
I was shown no evidence of my speed.

Chris_Heilong

gym girl88 wrote: »

Well ive no points or never been in trouble with gardai so hopfully. Ive learned my lesson though. I wont be so Stupid again

You were not stupid, you were just driving a little faster than the limit.

demanufactured

I agree with him.

gym girl88 wrote: »

Hi.
I was pulled over on 120km road outside cork last week.
I was doing roughly 140 -145km
a undermarked car pulled me over and garda asked me if I knew why he pulled me over I said no.
He said he was behind me and I pulled away from him.
he asked where I was going I told him and he asked if I had been at work I said yeah and where I worked. He asked for licence he just looked and it and closed it.
He said I need to slow down and cop on and that I need to think about what if I crashed etc.
he then said I dont think a fine or points is goiing to do any good. He handed me back my licence told me to slow down and got back in his car
Does this mean iam getting a summons or points or what? Cobsidering he took no details and had no way of telling me my exact speed.
he said I need to slow down tthatif I crash3d id die

Supergurrier

How dare he !

_Kaiser_

Sounds like you probably away with it OP. I sympathise though. If it was the M8 it's practically empty most of the time so very easy to find yourself doing that sort of speed. 140/145 is probably really 135-139 so that probably helped too vs doing say 150/160+ as many people do on that road.

daRobot

Groundsource wrote: »

How do you prove guilt without evidence Thank God for the 'Unfollow' Button.

And thank god there are posters here, who have rightly pointed out that you are talking absolute utter nonsense.

You might want to get an understanding of how the law works here before posting misinformation.

A guard saying in court that in his opinion, you were speeding, is considered acceptable evidence by a judge. Like it or not, that is how it is.

ironclaw

Groundsource wrote: »

The evidence is that he showed you the screen shot and documented it in this book. Wiothout this there is no case.

I suggest you read this:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0025/sec0081.html

And in particular this line:

It is not necessary to prove that the electronic or other apparatus was accurate or in good working order.

Basically, the Garda just has to say you were speeding. He could make a gun symbol with his hand, point it at your car and issue you the points.

Just FYI OP, some unmarked cars (And I must stress, its rare) are fitted with ANPR and in car video. That includes a speed read out of the Garda car, and in some instances, they are radar fitted to measure your speed. If the video showed you pulling away from the Garda car, and they were at the limit, that is evidence enough (Noting once again, no material evidence is required)

You still can be issued a summons / fine if such equipment was in use. I'd be surprised however if you were.

doolox

When I was pulled years ago that was the situation. They have to declare that under section xx of the Road Traffic act xxxx a complaint may be made against you and you may be subject to prosecution etc.....

Details such as name and address and the requirement to show license at Garda station etc would be made.

Lmklad

doolox wrote: »

When I was pulled years ago that was the situation. They have to declare that under section xx of the Road Traffic act xxxx a complaint may be made against you and you may be subject to prosecution etc.....

Details such as name and address and the requirement to show license at Garda station etc would be made.

That was repealed in 2001.