Do you find "do-gooders" or overly "right on" people annoying?

Foxhound38

I'm friends with an awful lot of what you might call "social justice warriors" from back in my college days. These people would be politically obsessed, generally leftish feminist types who live on a soapbox most of the time. The type that would call someone out for using the word "c*nt" on their facebook status in a derogatory manner because one must not refer to a part of the female anatomy in a negative sense because it's a microaggession or something. The type that tend to be out protesting a lot, and live their lives mostly offended by what they see around them. The type that can't seem to type a status or a tweet about anything without prefacing it with "Trigger Warning: XYZ". Politically correct to a tee, and annoyed that the world isn't as politically correct as they are.

The funny thing is, I genuinely get and accept that they are trying to make the world a better place in their own way. I might even agree with the overall thrust or message they are trying to get out. But by jaysus sometimes I find myself rolling my eyes at them!

If you make the mistake of questioning their zeal over a specific issue or trying to engage with them about this stuff, you get met with at best a passive-aggressive statement such as "it's not my job to educate you" or at worst an outright accusation that you need to "check your privilege" - and then that tends to be that, so I've sort of stopped bothering trying to engage with them on these issues. This article sort of sums up the attitude I'm talking about.

Anyone else find do-gooders on a soapbox annoying despite basically agreeing with them on many issues?

jimgoose

I find their poverty, hairy armpits, loud whining and utter mallet-headed refusal to look facts in the face offensive. But, fcuk 'em - you can't care about every damn thing.

gramar

I ignore them. I've even walked away while they're in full flow. Let your pent up frustrations make you spontaneously self-combust all you want.
Just don't get any on me.

ezekel

They are fooking annoying and i don't agree with everything they say, kill them all

Khomeini

It is wonderful to see citizens embrace the collectivist spirit. Assisting your fellow man is something that should be commended.

macplato

I find people like that not only annoying, but quite toxic actually.

Why are you friends with those people? How is it even possible to be friends with them? They are so focused on their idealistic vision of the world, they are unable to see reality. It's all driven by insecurity, really, hardly an attractive quality in a friend.

Birneybau

I think they do a great job and their self-promotion through supporting trendy issues is in no way self serving...at all.

Caliden

Uh oh anti feminism thread.

http://i.imgur.com/TtRut.gif

Foxhound38

macplato wrote: »

I find people like that not only annoying, but quite toxic actually.

Why are you friends with those people? How is it even possible to be friends with them? They are so focused on their idealistic vision of the world, they are unable to see reality. It's all driven by insecurity, really, hardly an attractive quality in a friend.

Because when they're not on a soapbox they're genuinely fun people to be around?

It's only when they're soapboxing it, or getting aggressive with others, or being unwilling to consider another viewpoint that I find them insufferable.

Sunglasses Ron

Foxhound38 wrote: »

The type that tend to be out protesting a lot, and live their lives mostly offended by what they see around them.

2014- gay marriage and Panti Luther King is their buzz

2013- Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning are their heroes. The NSA and Obama are the root of all evil.

2012- They supported Occupy. The movement against nothing in particular.

2012- Let's raise FB awareness about Kony!!!!!!! KONY!!!!! KONY2012!!!!

2008- Go Obama go! The hero of the world* (see 2013 for comparison)

2003- Protested against the war in Iraq, because it was cool. They might like to forget it but every major left leaning paper in the UK repeated the WMD claims as unchallenged fact in the run up.

2000- Rocking the oul charity bracelets to raise "awareness", whatever that means.

Throughout the last 14 years- goes to any legalise cannabis/ abortion march you can find.


I swear if kicking puppys to death became fashionable next year the same folks would be on it.

AnonoBoy

Surely it's possible to save the planet and be against political corruption while remaining washed and not shouting abuse into a cop's face?

Or is it?

shruikan2553

People who say check your privilege deserve a kick. Also find these types tend to expect those with more money than themselves to give it up while they are fine as they are.

Birneybau

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Surely it's possible to save the planet and be against political corruption while remaining washed and not shouting abuse into a cop's face?

Or is it?

Washing wastes water (classic alliteration there).

I think that the occupy movement was the best thing to ever happen to society at large. For the first time most of the annoying crusties were in camps where they could easily have been wiped out. Sadly the lack if any intelligent ideas amongst those involved meant that the camps quickly disbanded and the crusties returned to sitting in pubs and talking nonsense over a pint that lasts hours.

Adamantium

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I'm friends with an awful lot of what you might call "social justice warriors" from back in my college days. These people would be politically obsessed, generally leftish feminist types who live on a soapbox most of the time. The type that would call someone out for using the word "c*nt" on their facebook status in a derogatory manner because one must not refer to a part of the female anatomy in a negative sense because it's a microaggession or something. The type that tend to be out protesting a lot, and live their lives mostly offended by what they see around them. The type that can't seem to type a status or a tweet about anything without prefacing it with "Trigger Warning: XYZ". Politically correct to a tee, and annoyed that the world isn't as politically correct as they are.

The funny thing is, I genuinely get and accept that they are trying to make the world a better place in their own way. I might even agree with the overall thrust or message they are trying to get out. But by jaysus sometimes I find myself rolling my eyes at them!

If you make the mistake of questioning their zeal over a specific issue or trying to engage with them about this stuff, you get met with at best a passive-aggressive statement such as "it's not my job to educate you" or at worst an outright accusation that you need to "check your privilege" - and then that tends to be that, so I've sort of stopped bothering trying to engage with them on these issues. This article sort of sums up the attitude I'm talking about.

Anyone else find do-gooders on a soapbox annoying despite basically agreeing with them on many issues?

Its not so bad here, the USA is septic with this from some of my facebook friends and feeds there.

Also the kind of people who are political activists in college for young parties. What kind of hard graft, real life experiences, transformative hardships could you possibly have at 17,18,19 to think you can run for public office?

Holy HELL the brain isn't even fully developed until your 25.

Links234

As someone who's generally accused of being a right-on politically correct so and so many times, I kinda know what you mean

There's some folks who seems to jump on the 'social justice' bandwagon just as an excuse to abuse people, and I see far too many tumblr activists who just lump in with crap like "Kill yourself, sh*tlord!" because it seems to be easier to get away with acting like a troll and an asshole if you hide behind a good cause.

20Cent

I find people without opinions or just interested in themselves very boring.

Foxhound38

Caliden wrote: »

Uh oh anti feminism thread.

http://i.imgur.com/TtRut.gif

No, not really the intent of the thread. My beef isn't with feminism - although it is with certain people who espouse it, and others who espouse other things too.

I just used the article as an example of an attitude I'm trying to illustrate.

e_e

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Anyone else find do-gooders on a soapbox annoying despite basically agreeing with them on many issues?

Not really, and I really don't get this anti-pc brigade that constantly pretend like they are on eggshells with what they want/need to say half of the time (that either makes them outright bigoted or they just have terrible vocabulary). I've never been called out on my language (not since I was a kid at least) and always try to be fluent and specific in what I want to say. I've neither incurred the wrath of "do-gooders" or told anyone IRL how to speak either.

HalloweenJack

Hand on my heart, I've never met anyone as extremely PC as outlined in the OP. Anytime I've heard of them, it's always second-hand, so much so that I have my doubts that they genuinely exist.

Let them at it, if that's what they want to do. They're no better or worse than right-wing extremists who use "reality" as an excuse for their prejudices.

MS.ing

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I'm friends with an awful lot of what you might call "social justice warriors" from back in my college days. These people would be politically obsessed, generally leftish feminist types who live on a soapbox most of the time. The type that would call someone out for using the word "c*nt" on their facebook status in a derogatory manner because one must not refer to a part of the female anatomy in a negative sense because it's a microaggession or something. The type that tend to be out protesting a lot, and live their lives mostly offended by what they see around them. The type that can't seem to type a status or a tweet about anything without prefacing it with "Trigger Warning: XYZ". Politically correct to a tee, and annoyed that the world isn't as politically correct as they are.

The funny thing is, I genuinely get and accept that they are trying to make the world a better place in their own way. I might even agree with the overall thrust or message they are trying to get out. But by jaysus sometimes I find myself rolling my eyes at them!

If you make the mistake of questioning their zeal over a specific issue or trying to engage with them about this stuff, you get met with at best a passive-aggressive statement such as "it's not my job to educate you" or at worst an outright accusation that you need to "check your privilege" - and then that tends to be that, so I've sort of stopped bothering trying to engage with them on these issues. This article sort of sums up the attitude I'm talking about.

Anyone else find do-gooders on a soapbox annoying despite basically agreeing with them on many issues?

then why are you still friends

Foxhound38

Links234 wrote: »

As someone who's generally accused of being a right-on politically correct so and so many times, I kinda know what you mean

There's some folks who seems to jump on the 'social justice' bandwagon just as an excuse to abuse people, and I see far too many tumblr activists who just lump in with crap like "Kill yourself, sh*tlord!" because it seems to be easier to get away with acting like a troll and an asshole if you hide behind a good cause.

This is what I'm talking about

I actually don't have a problem with activism. It's intolerence of other people's viewspoint under the guise of activism I have a problem with

SEPT 23 1989

Too much time of their hands

I Heart Internet

Links234 wrote: »

As someone who's generally accused of being a right-on politically correct so and so many times, I kinda know what you mean

There's some folks who seems to jump on the 'social justice' bandwagon just as an excuse to abuse people, and I see far too many tumblr activists who just lump in with crap like "Kill yourself, sh*tlord!" because it seems to be easier to get away with acting like a troll and an asshole if you hide behind a good cause.

Heard a texter complain on a radio show (the Global Village on Newstalk....their heart is basically in the right place, but they don't half talk some rubbish) that it was so hard being the only one in her family/circle of friends with an interest in social justice, everyone else wasn't interested, but she would soldier on regardless.

Nearly crashed the car guffawwwing. How much in love with yourself do you have to be think that you're the only one you know interested in helping people!!

Foxhound38

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Heard a texter complain on a radio show (the Global Village on Newstalk....heart is basically in the right place, but they don't half talk some rubbish) that it was so hard being the only one in her family/circle of friends with an interest in social justice, everyone else wasn't interested, but she would soldier on regardless.

Nearly crashed the car guffawwwing. How much in love with yourself do you have to be thin that you're the only one you know interested in helping people!!

Again, you've kind of hit the nail on the head in terms of the attitude I'm talking about here. Heart in the right place, by acted on in such a way that can only bring eye-rolling and annoyance.

K-9

Foxhound38 wrote: »

"it's not my job to educate indoctrate you"

That's what I think of when I read that.

The other spectrum is the "the silent majority" which means the voices in my head tell me I'm right.

Muise...

Foxhound38 wrote: »

This is what I'm talking about

I actually don't have a problem with activism. It's intolerence of other people's viewspoint under the guise of activism I have a problem with

Ah Righteousness. It's the opiate of the Marxists.

There are many viewpoints I do not tolerate - anti-scientific bias for example - but my intolerance does not mean engaging in an argument with a hornets nest. I just stay away until the furies move on to the next outrage as seen through the prism of their vanity.

K-9

Argument by you tube seems to be the main debating tactic.

Muise...

Real Talk wrote: »

They also love waving the Palestinian flag even though Islamic fundamentalists hate women and hang gays. I can only presume the hypocrisy is lost on these simpletons.

Have you ever seen a Venn Diagram?

e_e

K-9 wrote: »

Argument by you tube seems to be the main debating tactic.

YouTube is maybe the worst place online I've seen for reasonable discourse, and I've vowed to stop reading the comments altogether.

"In the land of the blind the one eyed main is king." as the saying goes.

anncoates

People with a surfeit of right-on can be amusing at times but gimme 10 of them over any one of the whining, selfish ball bags you get on here day-in, day-out about their pet Daily Mail targets.

TwoShedsJackson

People of all outlooks who lump others who think differently to them into ill-defined groups ('brigades' even, if you will) tend to be twats.

K-9

e_e wrote: »

YouTube is maybe the worst place online I've seen for reasonable discourse, and I've vowed to stop reading the comments altogether.

"In the land of the blind the one eyed main is king." as the saying goes.

Yep, but I was on more about posting a youtube video as fact or evidence, see a lot of it these days.

Muise...

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

People of all outlooks who lump others who think differently to them into ill-defined groups ('brigades' even, if you will) tend to be twats.

I see what you did there.

kunst nugget

I once called 999 to get the liberal brigade out to the house because somebody was telling racist jokes at my party. They told me to fúck off. That's political correctness gone mad.

Flippyfloppy

I find people seem wayyyy more PC, or the opposite of PC even, on Facebook. Am I the only one with some friends on FB who have been hidden because they seem to have gone mental with the stupid stuff/pictures they post, abuse they give people etc.

Then you meet them in real life and expect a negative, pessimistic, lets not forget moany & horrible person. But they just end up being that happy, upbeat, person you once knew and liked and you realise they must be keyboard warriors, because they project a totally different & one dimensionally (horrible) persona online!!

TINA1984

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

2003- Protested against the war in Iraq, because it was cool. They might like to forget it but every major left leaning paper in the UK repeated the WMD claims as unchallenged fact in the run up.

Completely incorrect, both the Guardian & Daily Mirror to name but 2 were sceptical of the WMD claims in the run up to the 2003 Iraq war.

kunst nugget

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I find people seem wayyyy more PC, or the opposite of PC even, on Facebook. Am I the only one with some friends on FB who have been hidden because they seem to have gone mental with the stupid stuff/pictures they post, abuse they give people etc.

Then you meet them in real life and expect a negative, pessimistic, lets not forget moany & horrible person. But they just end up being that happy, upbeat, person you once knew and liked and you realise they must be keyboard warriors, because they project a totally different & one dimensionally (horrible) persona online!!

Forget people with causes on facebook, the dog and cat people are the worst with their shítty memes and horror stories about arsehole cats going hungry. Pet loving gone mad.

Santa Cruz

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I'm friends with an awful lot of what you might call "social justice warriors" from back in my college days. These people would be politically obsessed, generally leftish feminist types who live on a soapbox most of the time. The type that would call someone out for using the word "c*nt" on their facebook status in a derogatory manner because one must not refer to a part of the female anatomy in a negative sense because it's a microaggession or something. The type that tend to be out protesting a lot, and live their lives mostly offended by what they see around them. The type that can't seem to type a status or a tweet about anything without prefacing it with "Trigger Warning: XYZ". Politically correct to a tee, and annoyed that the world isn't as politically correct as they are.

The funny thing is, I genuinely get and accept that they are trying to make the world a better place in their own way. I might even agree with the overall thrust or message they are trying to get out. But by jaysus sometimes I find myself rolling my eyes at them!

If you make the mistake of questioning their zeal over a specific issue or trying to engage with them about this stuff, you get met with at best a passive-aggressive statement such as "it's not my job to educate you" or at worst an outright accusation that you need to "check your privilege" - and then that tends to be that, so I've sort of stopped bothering trying to engage with them on these issues. This article sort of sums up the attitude I'm talking about.

Anyone else find do-gooders on a soapbox annoying despite basically agreeing with them on many issues?

I leave other activists phone numbers on messages for them asking them to contact urgently

Muise...

e_e wrote: »

YouTube is maybe the worst place online I've seen for reasonable discourse, and I've vowed to stop reading the comments altogether.

"In the land of the blind the one eyed main is king." as the saying goes.

Read them in the voice of Adam Buxton:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr31WIu8Ifo

Santa Cruz

e_e wrote: »

YouTube is maybe the worst place online I've seen for reasonable discourse, and I've vowed to stop reading the comments altogether.

"In the land of the blind the one eyed main is king." as the saying goes.

"one eyed main"?? Please clarify

Turtyturd

Have no issue with people like that if they genuinely feel strongly about the issues. What's more annoying are the Facebook activists.

topper75

Don't go to Galway* OP - it's like a vipers' nest.

*Born and bred Galwegians, if you can find them, are fine.

Muise...

kunst nugget wrote: »

Forget people with causes on facebook, the dog and cat people are the worst with their shítty memes and horror stories about arsehole cats going hungry. Pet loving gone mad.

Yeah, and people sharing stock images with slogans about depression and asking you to share them if you care. Mental illness gone mad.

I Heart Internet

Muise... wrote: »

Yeah, and people sharing stock images with slogans about depression and asking you to share them if you care. Mental illness gone mad.

Bored housewives do this a lot I find.

Ray Palmer

Foxhound38 wrote: »

This article sort of sums up the attitude I'm talking about.

Anyone else find do-gooders on a soapbox annoying despite basically agreeing with them on many issues?

In fairness she isn't on a soap box she is just plain wrong and insulting. She is clearly seeing herself as a victim while accusing people in the same manner men are blamed for doing to woman.

why do I feel like I’m supposed to spend so damn much of my time carefully considering how what I say and do will be taken by men?

Last time I checked everybody has to consider everybody else when talking. Welcome to the rest of the world lady you at least grew up being told people were equal, think how difficult it is to understand and be conscious that what you say when you were raised in a different generation and actions that were once considered gentlemanly are now sexist. Mean while your own peers expect you to continue in this manner even the woman.

Anyway outspoken people can be fine it is shouty people who try to force you to change your mind that are the problem. The absolute worst are the ones that never considered the issue until it effected them and then go on about how they thought like you until it effected them and I should therefore listen to them and change my mind.
I had a friend who went on about how parents should pay for their children and the state should not give them any money. She had a child and then it was all about how the government should provide free childcare etc... How I didn't understand because it didn't effect me and because she "thought like you" but now knows better. When the reality was I said the sate should ensure a minimum standard for children which she thought was ridiculous at the time. Two extreme views from the same person and on a soap box both times.
I have had people stop me eating or drinking something to tell me how horrible the company is and why I should not eat/drink their products. Warned one of them after the 3rd time they gave me this speech if the said it to me again I would force feed to them. He did it to me the next day and I flipped and did as I said. He then stopped doing it to people, I had seen him do this to random strangers so I actually felt like I did him a favour because somebody would eventually have seriously hurt him.

WilyCoyote

The PC brigade! Jesus H Christ! I find them utterly boring and so far up their own butts that they almost emerge through their own thoraces. These unhappy fuckers would like us all to join their collective rant until it becomes universal ........... then, the second thoughts/mature recollection/reflection etc kicks in and it goes from two legs good, four legs better to four legs good, two legs better.
But I think the hairy armpit/unwashed bit is a bit unjust. As citizens of democracies we are all entitled to either practice hygiene or not.

KOTSC

I remember one time/one afternoon back around 2006 roughly walking through town I passed a stall where there was a few campaigners asking people to sign a petition against a deportation of Illegal immigrants, I asked them what the background was if the immigrants were here legally or illegally, once i heard illegally i told them i wouldn,t sign their petition as i believe immigration laws/rules have to be upheld and enforced. one of them then proceeded to make an open borders argument how people should be free to travel anywhere and everywhere they want with no restrictions and how border controls are wrong' I replied to the open borders comment by saying if we allow people to travel with no restrictions and no border controls if they thought about how that leave international drug gangs/ sex traffickers/sex offenders travel around undetected' when i put that point to them they couldn,t really answer or debate that point of view all they could do was give a kneejerk reaction as to how i was being racist, the problem is with a lot of these leftist do godder types is they often don,t think about things from a realistic point of view; dare to disagree with open borders and they might label you racist and they often wonder why people wouldn,t vote for their kind at most elections.

jimgoose

WilyCoyote wrote: »

...As citizens of democracies we are all entitled to either practice hygiene or not.

I say set aside a big warehouse where they can all practice personal hygiene, and when they get proficient at it they can once again come within twenty feet of me. :cool:

RayM

I find that those who rail against perceived 'political correctness' and 'do-gooders' are generally pretty tedious. Whatever the topic, they'll always do their best to display their oh-so-un-PC credentials by expressing the most obnoxious opinion possible.

WilyCoyote

Incidentally, does anyone know a happy feminist? You know ........ one who writes positive things. And doesn't have a permanently vertically clefted brow. To me, Camille Paglia is one such. Not drawn to nihilism or misandry she has encountered the wrath of the we hate everything unless it's about wimmin brigade. Which must mean that she is mostly normal. Well, as normal as the rest of us.