strathroy,Many have joined,have you?

whitebriar

I'm hearing hundreds have left GII and have moved to Strathroy from April 1
I know at least a million gallons local to me (Wicklow\Wexford area)has moved and others are about to.
The min price is in the contract they've signed and price appears to be up to 8c above GII,which seems incredible,based on extra bonuses for low tbc's ,lower protein thresholds etc.

The piece de resistance is the Kilkenny based Murphy Black stallion haulage crew recently sacked by Glanbia will be doing the haulage and if my information is correct, they'll have at least 5 of the largest suppliers in my area back on their lorries .
This is welcome competition surely,where farmers previously could just March shout, be ignored and be walked on?
Discuss.

st1979

well was anyone at the meeting in woodenbridge. Seems to have got a lot of suppliers already.

farmersfriend

whitebriar wrote: »

I'm hearing hundreds have left GII and have moved to Strathroy from April 1
I know at least a million gallons local to me (Wicklow\Wexford area)has moved and others are about to.
The min price is in the contract they've signed and price appears to be up to 8c above GII,which seems incredible,based on extra bonuses for low tbc's ,lower protein thresholds etc.

The piece de resistance is the Kilkenny based Murphy Black stallion haulage crew recently sacked by Glanbia will be doing the haulage and if my information is correct, they'll have at least 5 of the largest suppliers in my area back on their lorries .
This is welcome competition surely,where farmers previously could just March shout, be ignored and be walked on?
Discuss.

As far as i know they are only able to cope wit 100 suppliers. Price is half a cent over giil price. I wouldn't give up the security of giil for half a cent .

st1979

From what i have heard they already have more than the 100 between april and july moving over to them. Its starting to look like a credible source of competition to glanbia. And they are getting the bigger guys around

Greengrass1

They have no track record down this side of the country though.
What's to stop them not collecting your milk some week and then you have to crawl back to glanbia.
I'd be interested in strathroy but I'll see how things pan out

biddy2013

Greengrass1 wrote: »

They have no track record down this side of the country though.
What's to stop them not collecting your milk some week and then you have to crawl back to glanbia.
I'd be interested in strathroy but I'll see how things pan out

you try it out and report back to us:D

trixi2011

Stratroy had quite a lot farmers in northern Ireland in the 80s as far as I know they completely sold out to Monahan milk under the agreement that they wouldn't go back into buying milk for a certain number of years. Surprising how much of the milk supplied to the shops in the south is by stratroy

whitebriar

farmersfriend wrote: »

As far as i know they are only able to cope wit 100 suppliers. Price is half a cent over giil price. I wouldn't give up the security of giil for half a cent .

Today they were talking about up to 8c above Glanbia.for the 5 winter months at the woodenbridge meeting.
Around 40 locals were there,mostly 100k+++ quota winter milk people.
There was no talk of a limit on sign up numbers.

farmersfriend

whitebriar wrote: »

Today they were talking about up to 8c above Glanbia.for the 5 winter months at the woodenbridge meeting.
Around 40 locals were there,mostly 100k+++ quota winter milk people.
There was no talk of a limit on sign up numbers.

If something sounds too good to be true it usually is.

biddy2013

farmersfriend wrote: »

If something sounds too good to be true it usually is.

as i said before better the devil you know

whitebriar

farmersfriend wrote: »

If something sounds too good to be true it usually is.

Maybe.
Or we could all just huff and puff and then lie down and take it as we usually do.
Let's not bash what hasn't been tried.
If nothing else this is competition for milk where there was none and people are moving which frankly takes balls.
Balls which will help the rest in terms of improving gII's price.

larrymiller

farmersfriend wrote: »

If something sounds too good to be true it usually is.

As the aul lad says "if you see a load of farmers running one way, turn around and run the other way"

larrymiller

I also read that any farmers who leave glanbia will be kicked out of the co-op, could be a pain in the arse If there's nothing else near by

frazzledhome

larrymiller wrote: »

I also read that any farmers who leave glanbia will be kicked out of the co-op, could be a pain in the arse If there's nothing else near by

If you're a shareholder, how can they kick you out?

allthedoyles

This was in my local Wexford paper today.

larrymiller

frazzledhome wrote: »

If you're a shareholder, how can they kick you out?

That's true, just looking at it now

"40 dissidents have thrown in their lot with strathroy" and "and they expect to be joined my 40 more in July, despite warnings that they will be thrown out of the co-op in the wake of their decision not to supply glanbia"

Also adds in the local paper from strathroy

keep going

whitebriar wrote: »

Maybe.
Or we could all just huff and puff and then lie down and take it as we usually do.
Let's not bash what hasn't been tried.
If nothing else this is competition for milk where there was none and people are moving which frankly takes balls.
Balls which will help the rest in terms of improving gII's price.

Its amazing this loyalty to glanbia considering all the b#t#hing thats done about them here.I was below with shiely a couple of years ago and he slated them compared to west cork creameries but he wasn't long putting his money where his mouth was when the time came

Greengrass1

keep going wrote: »

Its amazing this loyalty to glanbia considering all the b#t#hing thats done about them here.I was below with shiely a couple of years ago and he slated them compared to west cork creameries but he wasn't long putting his money where his mouth was when the time came

I think this will be his 3rd co op in 10 yrs.
Not great at committing himself

whitebriar

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I think this will be his 3rd co op in 10 yrs.
Not great at committing himself

Why the emphasis on committing to anyone though? Thats a monopoly and the sole reason why at the first opportunity Gii would drop price.
What you need is an open competitive market for your milk and absolute freedom to supply to the highest bidder.
We shouldn't be milking for other peoples benefit,it's too hard work,it is time we did it for us mainly.

We need that mindset and the balls too.

keep going

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I think this will be his 3rd co op in 10 yrs.
Not great at committing himself

In fairness now he moved farm for the first move but the only reasonn he went to wexford creameries was because of glanbia and he was with the same coop all the time in west cork.he maitains that the management look down on the suppliers and have a take it or leave it attitude.

Farmer Pudsey

whitebriar wrote: »

Today they were talking about up to 8c above Glanbia.for the 5 winter months at the woodenbridge meeting.
Around 40 locals were there,mostly 100k+++ quota winter milk people.
There was no talk of a limit on sign up numbers.

farmersfriend wrote: »

If something sounds too good to be true it usually is.

Looking at it straight from a business perceptive Stratroy reqire Irish Milk so that they can put Board Bia logo on milk. It will be interesting to see how they can keep milk seperate. They would have to gaurantee a price above GII to get producers. Theyy may have little interestt in suppliers of less than 500K L/year.

On winter milk they will be more constrained than GII wh will use shoulders milk to supply liquid milk market. However GII will have a huge pool of suppliers supplying small amounts from November-February. Stratroy have not faculity if they want Board Bia logo on milk. They require an all year around suppy.

On the issue of what is to stop them collecting you milk some morning you carry the same risk with all co-op's. The Irish Co-op abandoned the smaller shops back in the mid 90's when they droped the price of 2L to teco, dunnes etc to 99c amd put up there own brander 1L to 70c+. In any market if you become uncompeditive you leave an opening. For small shops unless they managed to replace they lost footfall. It was stupid of the Irish Co-ops. there claim that it was unprofitable to supply small shops has been proved wrong by Stratroy. They have lost market share because of it and tied themselves to supermarkets.

larrymiller wrote: »

I also read that any farmers who leave glanbia will be kicked out of the co-op, could be a pain in the arse If there's nothing else near by

I presume taht you mean taht they will refuse to sell fertlizer, ration hardware products. It would be treading on the uncompeditive to refuse to supply previous customers of good standing if they left as milk suppliers. The CA might become involved.

larrymiller

I presume taht you mean taht they will refuse to sell fertlizer, ration hardware products. It would be treading on the uncompeditive to refuse to supply previous customers of good standing if they left as milk suppliers. The CA might become involved.[/quote]

I'm just quoting what's in the paper.
That's all I've heard about it

farmersfriend

larrymiller wrote: »

I presume taht you mean taht they will refuse to sell fertlizer, ration hardware products. It would be treading on the uncompeditive to refuse to supply previous customers of good standing if they left as milk suppliers. The CA might become involved.

I'm just quoting what's in the paper.
That's all I've heard about it[/quote]

Wexford producers who leave for strathroy Will be leaving behind their shareholding.

Greengrass1

Also a lot if suppliers will want to leave GIIL as they don't have full control of there milk cheques.

Getting a full milk cheque means alot

stanflt

Is the 0,5 cent a litre over Glanbia paid on liquid or manufacturing milk


I'm a liquid milk supplier who gets historically a better price for my Manu milk which is surplus

st1979

stanflt wrote: »

Is the 0,5 cent a litre over Glanbia paid on liquid or manufacturing milk


I'm a liquid milk supplier who gets historically a better price for my Manu milk which is surplus

From what i have heard its a minimum of 0.5 cent and then bonuses on top. By all accounts it was a very positive meeting with regard to liquid milk. Which is a change from glanbias position on liquid where they cant seem to make money at all from it.
If you are supplying winter milk and not got a contract with glanbia and lowish constituents there is a large benefit with strathroy.

stanflt

st1979 wrote: »

From what i have heard its a minimum of 0.5 cent and then bonuses on top. By all accounts it was a very positive meeting with regard to liquid milk. Which is a change from glanbias position on liquid where they cant seem to make money at all from it.
If you are supplying winter milk and not got a contract with glanbia and lowish constituents there is a large benefit with strathroy.

My liquid was avg over 50cpl during the winter cause of high solids
Would I lose out with strathroy

frazzledhome

I think it's great to see people moving as I means that we won't have to

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Also a lot if suppliers will want to leave GIIL as they don't have full control of there milk cheques.

Getting a full milk cheque means alot

The reason for not getting full cheque is quota, quality or not paying for your trading no other reasons.

Each fall at the feet if the manager and the underlying problems won't disappear but one could arge that trading one may get worse

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

The reason for not getting full cheque is quota, quality or not paying for your trading no other reasons.

Each fall at the feet if the manager and the underlying problems won't disappear but one could arge that trading one may get worse

Your more inclined to buy off them though if they have an Agri business.
Getting a full milk cheque and being able to buy where ever you want is very nice

milkprofit

larrymiller wrote: »

I also read that any farmers who leave glanbia will be kicked out of the co-op, could be a pain in the arse If there's nothing else near by

Under what rule can this happen

farmersfriend

frazzledhome wrote: »

The reason for not getting full cheque is quota, quality or not paying for your trading no other reasons.

Each fall at the feet if the manager and the underlying problems won't disappear but one could arge that trading one may get worse

U are right. A different lorry is not going to improve your milk or pay your trading account or post quota problems

Panch18

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Your more inclined to buy off them though if they have an Agri business.
Getting a full milk cheque and being able to buy where ever you want is very nice

I don't see what is stopping anybody doing this at the moment??

We regularly use a different supplier for our nuts - a lot of people do

mf240

I never buy meal off them as they are usually 40 euros out with there price.

anyone making the move the Strathroy would be well advised to remember that milk prices are booming at the moment, but when the tide turns, glanbias extensive product mix and their sheer size makes them a safer long term bet.

frazzledhome

milkprofit wrote: »

Under what rule can this happen

All that can happen is your shares may be downgraded to A3 ie. not trading but still a shareholder. Never heard of a shareholder being expelled. Cannot be done as shareholding is the property of the shareholder

milkprofit

stanflt wrote: »

Is the 0,5 cent a litre over Glanbia paid on liquid or manufacturing milk


I'm a liquid milk supplier who gets historically a better price for my Manu milk which is surplus

look at your statement a LITTLE t closer did u not get about 2 c less for last YEAR history is in the pAST

frazzledhome

Panch18 wrote: »

I don't see what is stopping anybody doing this at the moment??

We regularly use a different supplier for our nuts - a lot of people do

You are right and I always shop around mainly 2 suppliers. The thing about leaving is that they will really put the boot in. Might be better to stay get affairs in order and them move if so inclined

biddy2013

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Your more inclined to buy off them though if they have an Agri business.
Getting a full milk cheque and being able to buy where ever you want is very nice

there are many glanbia suppliers who for some unknown reason will only buy feed and fert from glanbia even though they are being totally rode on price, what are they getting in return for thier loyalty. Shop around

There has been a huge movement from Glanbia today in my area (north county wexford). I could name more than a dozen farmers near me, who have signed agreements today, alone.
I can see Glanbia being forced to improve their offerings. Hopefully a bit more competition, means a better price for everyone.

Greengrass1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There has been a huge movement from Glanbia today in my area (north county wexford). I could name more than a dozen farmers near me, who have signed agreements today, alone.
I can see Glanbia being forced to improve their offerings. Hopefully a bit more competition, means a better price for everyone.

My father said to me that it will be all the better for the lads that stay. They will get better incentives to stay

biddy2013

wexford is a long distance from the north, would it not make sense to source farmers closer to the north?

stanflt

milkprofit wrote: »

look at your statement a LITTLE t closer did u not get about 2 c less for last YEAR history is in the pAST

i got around 2.4cl a litre less for my liquid last year

2009 was the only year imsmc that liquid paid more

biddy2013

biddy2013 wrote: »

wexford is a long distance from the north, would it not make sense to source farmers closer to the north?

I don't live too far from the old Inch creamery. For years the milk was only being driven a couple of miles.
For a lot of the winter, the milk lorry was drawing the milk to Virginia (over 100 miles), even now it is going to Ballyragget (70-80 miles) so going to Omagh (160 - 170 miles) is further, but not as much as you would think.

st1979

frazzledhome wrote: »

All that can happen is your shares may be downgraded to A3 ie. not trading but still a shareholder. Never heard of a shareholder being expelled. Cannot be done as shareholding is the property of the shareholder

Sure they cant even make dead people sell there shares even the ones whos executors arent even cashing the dividend cheques. Any shareholder is entitled to have there milk processed. To stay as an A1 shareholder the person only needs to trade with the coop about 3 or 4000 euro per year. Easily done even if they are only buying a few bits and pieces.

Think none of this would of happened if the wexford guys were given a fairer deal with regard to the 10 year milk supply contract at the start. It gave strathroy an oppportunity

Farmer Pudsey

biddy2013 wrote: »

wexford is a long distance from the north, would it not make sense to source farmers closer to the north?

Issue is volume, is it better off collecting milk from 200 suppliers averaging 750K litres each or source milk 50--100 miles nearer nut the same amount off over double the suppliers. You also have the issue of winter milk South East suppliers have the advantage of access of grains off the combine where as costs along the border may be unenomic for winter liquid milk.

wats the craic

the way we have been treated as shareholders and the terms in the contract is why the wexford lads are moving including me .

larrymiller

milkprofit wrote: »

Under what rule can this happen

im just saying what i read in the paper.
im not a dair$y farmer so i wouldnt know much about it

TEAT SQUEEZER

larrymiller wrote: »

im just saying what i read in the paper.
im not a dair$y farmer so i wouldnt know much about it

It's the wexford farmers that were due to relinquish their wmp shareholding on signing for stratroy... effectively leaving wmp .

st1979

The guys from wexford who signed the 15 year deal are upset and rightly so

farmersfriend

st1979 wrote: »

The guys from wexford who signed the 15 year deal are upset and rightly so

Its not 15 year anymore. 5 same as for glanbias own suppliers. Nothing to be upset about-i would be upset if leaving behind shareholding and heading off.

milkprofit

farmersfriend wrote: »

Its not 15 year anymore. 5 same as for glanbias own suppliers. Nothing to be upset about-i would be upset if leaving behind shareholding and heading off.

why would u leave it behind