An Absolute Mess

WalkinDisaster

Right so here it goes

i advertised my car for sale & agreed to meet a guy in relation to a straight swap with my car for his. He drove down & met me so we could both have a look at the cars, after about an hour of chatting or whatever we agreed to go ahead with the swap. Just as he was about to leave i realised we hadn't filled out log books for either cars, i gave him the log book for my car & he filled out his details on the book. I told him i would hang on to it & post it off myself. After some arguing with his mate he decided that he forgot to bring the log book of his car with him, i told him i needed it straight away as the car had no tax & i wanted to go & tax it so i'd need the book. He agreed to come down & meet me the following evening with the book. The next morning i went out to the car & low & behold it wouldn't start. I phoned him to see what was going on, no answer after numerous calls. I then sent him a text to see what was happening with the log book for the car & to let him know that i had left some paperwork in the car that i needed. I received a text that evening saying the log book & documents were in the post as he couldn't make it down that evening. Fast forward 2 weeks & i have still received nothing in the post, the phone number i was talking to him on is now disconnected. I've had numerous problems with the car over the past 2 weeks, it was properly looked at today & some of the work that has been done to it is quite dangerous. The only connection i now have is the name & address that he wrote & signed on the log book for my car. I drove to the address & found it was the name of a street with numerous houses on it, no sign of my car. It's also named & signed in a womans name. I do realise i have been scammed to some extent but i'm just wondering if anybody can help me out as to is there anything i can do? My car is still registered in my name & the log book is in my possession.

djimi

Report your car as stolen? Not sure how that would go down with the Gardai (as in, if it technically is actually stolen), but its the avenue that I would be pursuing if it were me.

Kristopherus

Report your car stolen.

colm_mcm

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Kristopherus wrote: »

Report your car stolen.

Why would he do that? He gave it to yer man in exchange for the car with no paperwork

WalkinDisaster

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

Right so here it goes

i advertised my car for sale & agreed to meet a guy in relation to a straight swap with my car for his. He drove down & met me so we could both have a look at the cars, after about an hour of chatting or whatever we agreed to go ahead with the swap. Just as he was about to leave i realised we hadn't filled out log books for either cars, i gave him the log book for my car & he filled out his details on the book. I told him i would hang on to it & post it off myself. After some arguing with his mate he decided that he forgot to bring the log book of his car with him, i told him i needed it straight away as the car had no tax & i wanted to go & tax it so i'd need the book. He agreed to come down & meet me the following evening with the book. The next morning i went out to the car & low & behold it wouldn't start. I phoned him to see what was going on, no answer after numerous calls. I then sent him a text to see what was happening with the log book for the car & to let him know that i had left some paperwork in the car that i needed. I received a text that evening saying the log book & documents were in the post as he couldn't make it down that evening. Fast forward 2 weeks & i have still received nothing in the post, the phone number i was talking to him on is now disconnected. I've had numerous problems with the car over the past 2 weeks, it was properly looked at today & some of the work that has been done to it is quite dangerous. The only connection i now have is the name & address that he wrote & signed on the log book for my car. I drove to the address & found it was the name of a street with numerous houses on it, no sign of my car. It's also named & signed in a womans name. I do realise i have been scammed to some extent but i'm just wondering if anybody can help me out as to is there anything i can do? My car is still registered in my name & the log book is in my possession.

I would get on to Shannon, tell them your car is sold on, give them the name and address he gave you.
Also explain you didn't get documents for the new xarvyou got and you will have to apply for replacement documents, once you do that you can re register car and tax it.


Unless of course its stolen, has been used in some dodgy sh1t.......

Supergurrier

Did you not notice he didn't have boobs ?

Best of luck on your adventure OP, keep us updated

Interslice

For next time- A guide to buying a used car in Ireland

Is fixing up a car you don't have a logbook for a good idea?

Stavros Murphy

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

Right so here it goes

i advertised my car for sale & agreed to meet a guy in relation to a straight swap with my car for his. He drove down & met me so we could both have a look at the cars, after about an hour of chatting or whatever we agreed to go ahead with the swap. Just as he was about to leave i realised we hadn't filled out log books for either cars, i gave him the log book for my car & he filled out his details on the book. I told him i would hang on to it & post it off myself.


After some arguing with his mate he decided that he forgot to bring the log book of his car with him, i told him i needed it straight away as the car had no tax & i wanted to go & tax it so i'd need the book. He agreed to come down & meet me the following evening with the book. The next morning i went out to the car & low & behold it wouldn't start. I phoned him to see what was going on, no answer after numerous calls. I then sent him a text to see what was happening with the log book for the car & to let him know that i had left some paperwork in the car that i needed.


I received a text that evening saying the log book & documents were in the post as he couldn't make it down that evening. Fast forward 2 weeks & i have still received nothing in the post, the phone number i was talking to him on is now disconnected. I've had numerous problems with the car over the past 2 weeks, it was properly looked at today & some of the work that has been done to it is quite dangerous.


The only connection i now have is the name & address that he wrote & signed on the log book for my car. I drove to the address & found it was the name of a street with numerous houses on it, no sign of my car. It's also named & signed in a womans name. I do realise i have been scammed to some extent but i'm just wondering if anybody can help me out as to is there anything i can do? My car is still registered in my name & the log book is in my possession.

I quoted it in paragraphs in order to reduce the income of specsavers. Also, "to some extent" is under-pushing it. Someone here may have a good suggestion as to what to do. I don't, I'm afraid.

cerastes

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

Right so here it goes

i advertised my car for sale & agreed to meet a guy in relation to a straight swap with my car for his. He drove down & met me so we could both have a look at the cars, after about an hour of chatting or whatever we agreed to go ahead with the swap. Just as he was about to leave i realised we hadn't filled out log books for either cars, i gave him the log book for my car & he filled out his details on the book. I told him i would hang on to it & post it off myself. After some arguing with his mate he decided that he forgot to bring the log book of his car with him, i told him i needed it straight away as the car had no tax & i wanted to go & tax it so i'd need the book. He agreed to come down & meet me the following evening with the book.

The next morning i went out to the car & low & behold it wouldn't start. I phoned him to see what was going on, no answer after numerous calls. I then sent him a text to see what was happening with the log book for the car & to let him know that i had left some paperwork in the car that i needed. I received a text that evening saying the log book & documents were in the post as he couldn't make it down that evening. Fast forward 2 weeks & i have still received nothing in the post, the phone number i was talking to him on is now disconnected. I've had numerous problems with the car over the past 2 weeks, it was properly looked at today & some of the work that has been done to it is quite dangerous. The only connection i now have is the name & address that he wrote & signed on the log book for my car. I drove to the address & found it was the name of a street with numerous houses on it, no sign of my car. It's also named & signed in a womans name. I do realise i have been scammed to some extent but i'm just wondering if anybody can help me out as to is there anything i can do? My car is still registered in my name & the log book is in my possession.

I think you should have reported it stolen immediately. although really I think you shouldnt have handed the car over at all.
At what point did you decide to hand over your car without seeing the log book of the other car? after telling them you needed the log book, then agreeing to take it off them the following evening?? if that was the case, why not hold onto your car till then.
What kind of cars are we talking about?

Kristopherus

colm_mcm wrote: »

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Why would he do that? He gave it to yer man in exchange for the car with no paperwork

Because yer man obtained it under false pretences.

WalkinDisaster

That was my thoughts to report the car stolen, i don't want to go down that avenue if it can cause myself trouble though.

Just after i wrote the post last night i got a phone call to say my car is back being advertised for sale online, assuming it's the same guy that's selling it.

How can he sell a car with no log book?

The reason i let him take the car was because in good faith i trusted that he was going to come back down the next day as he said he wanted to have it checked over by a mechanic. I also wasn't too worried because i had his car in my possession.

Still no contact from him at all.

corktina

He sold one to you.....better check out the new car too....that could be well dodgy

bazz26

OP, what I would do is contact the Gardaí, they can trace the "current" registered owner of the car to see if it is the same person who sold you the car. Chances are though that the person who swapped the car with you is probably not the current registered owner though but hopefully the car is not stolen and just a case of registration needs to be transferred properly over from the correct former owner.

The transfer of ownership system here is flawed, is open to abuse and scams, however buyers have a level of responsibility also in the matter so that they can reduce the risk of becoming a victim of such abuse or scams. Buying a car without any log book from a total stranger is madness as is not having the car looked over by a mechanic first. I'm afraid these scams would not be so common if basic checks and common sense were used.

bazz26

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

That was my thoughts to report the car stolen, i don't want to go down that avenue if it can cause myself trouble though.

Just after i wrote the post last night i got a phone call to say my car is back being advertised for sale online, assuming it's the same guy that's selling it.

How can he sell a car with no log book?

The reason i let him take the car was because in good faith i trusted that he was going to come back down the next day as he said he wanted to have it checked over by a mechanic. I also wasn't too worried because i had his car in my possession.

Still no contact from him at all.

Unfortunately the same way he sold one to you, hoping that a potential buyer accepts his BS story and doesn't insist on seeing the look book. The reality is that the world is full of lowlifes who take advantage of people who they can easily gain the trust of. It sucks but that is how the world works.

H3llR4iser

Are the cars modified OP? The whole concept of "the new car had some dangerous work done" makes me think about modifications. Curious.

If that's the case, I would never agree to any swap - you can't be certain if the jobs were done by a professional tuning garage or in "Joey Turbo"'s backyard.

colm_mcm wrote: »

Why would he do that? He gave it to yer man in exchange for the car with no paperwork

Exactly, I don't understand the "report it stolen" thing myself: for one, it's not 100% sure the guy never sent his logbook, both my cars took nearly 4 weeks to come back and the OP only waited two;

I do agree that the disappearing act is suspicious, but what would be the reason for reporting the car as "stolen"? Accepting a swap having failed to correctly assess the conditions of the other vehicle? How is this different from buying a car for money and discovering it is a lemon afterwards?

It is an unfortunate situation, but it's also one that could have been averted by being a bit more alert, I'm afraid.

djimi

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Exactly, I don't understand the "report it stolen" thing myself: for one, it's not 100% sure the guy never sent his logbook, both my cars took nearly 4 weeks to come back and the OP only waited two;

I do agree that the disappearing act is suspicious, but what would be the reason for reporting the car as "stolen"? Accepting a swap having failed to correctly assess the conditions of the other vehicle? How is this different from buying a car for money and discovering it is a lemon afterwards?

I guess my thinking wrt reporting it stolen is that when I read it first it read along the same lines as someone who pays for a car with a dud bank draft and then disappears. Maybe its not the same, but given the alternatives (or lack thereof) that a private seller has when looking for comeback in a case like this, it would be one avenue that I would be at least pursuing (perhaps not actually making the report, but seeking advice to see if it is something that could be done).

vibe666

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

That was my thoughts to report the car stolen, i don't want to go down that avenue if it can cause myself trouble though.

Just after i wrote the post last night i got a phone call to say my car is back being advertised for sale online, assuming it's the same guy that's selling it.

How can he sell a car with no log book?

The reason i let him take the car was because in good faith i trusted that he was going to come back down the next day as he said he wanted to have it checked over by a mechanic. I also wasn't too worried because i had his car in my possession.

Still no contact from him at all.

my guess is, EXACTLY the same way he 'sold' you the car you have now without a log book.

if he is trying to sell on your car again, send a friend to go and meet him, whilst you park down the road, then once he's confirmed its your motor he's trying to sell on, you turn up with his old motor (preferably with a few more mates in the back to make sure he's not going to try and pull something) and politely inform him that he is breaking the law and he can either swap the cars back, or wait there whilst you call the garda to sort it all out.

in the mean time, you'll want to confirm whether the car you have now that he gave you is in his name in the first place, so you have all the facts ready.

i'd also be quietly recording it on your phone, so you have it all on tape if the need arises.

corktina

but IS he breaking the Law? He might be lining the car up for sale in the expectation that the logbook will arrive anytime

ba_barabus

OP if there is nothing shady about the car you can claim ownership of it and you can sign a declaration with a Peace Commissioner stating when you sold your last car so that you will no longer be registered as the current owner.

Contact Shannon.

vibe666

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

I received a text that evening saying the log book & documents were in the post as he couldn't make it down that evening. Fast forward 2 weeks & i have still received nothing in the post, the phone number i was talking to him on is now disconnected.

this makes me think that the other guy was claiming to be sending the log book and documents to the OP for him to change over, not to Shannon directly.

which, 2 weeks and a disconnected mobile number later seem to indicate that he didn't and it's been a con from the start.

I'd be checking the registration of your old and new car online for unpaid tolls and that kind of thing as well.

Markcheese

Find out on cartel or something what's the status of the car you have , try talking to Shannon ... If he's selling your old car online he's trackable if you need to ..or need to pass detail on to the law... If the car you have is legit just get paperwork from Shannon ... And put it down to experience ...

colm_mcm

If he's advertising your car then surely you now have a contact number for him now?

L-M

Any link to the car for sale OP>

Capri

WalkinDisaster wrote: »

That was my thoughts to report the car stolen, i don't want to go down that avenue if it can cause myself trouble though.

Just after i wrote the post last night i got a phone call to say my car is back being advertised for sale online, assuming it's the same guy that's selling it.

How can he sell a car with no log book?

The reason i let him take the car was because in good faith i trusted that he was going to come back down the next day as he said he wanted to have it checked over by a mechanic. I also wasn't too worried because i had his car in my possession.

Still no contact from him at all.

Similar story from a mate - bought car, filled out logbook and gave it to seller to post off (as per the law ), drove home with new purchase. Goes out next day, no car outside :eek: , tries to phone 'seller' no reply - cash gone, car gone (spare key used ?), no proof of ownership or sale

Just one big scam going on out there via B&S, DD, Carzone etc :mad::mad: