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Fast, low tax car for 8k

  • 22-03-2014 7:42pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭


    I've got about 8k to spend on a car, looking to get something thats quick off the mark and fun to drive but cheap to tax if possible. I was looking to find something like a celica but a 2009 1.6 diesel ford fiesta has been suggested to me as they're dirt cheap to tax, but are they any good? Is there anything else to be looking out for that would suit?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    2008 Civic 2.2 diesel (0-100km/h in 8.6s)
    Not sure though if you manage to get one within your price limit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    CiniO wrote: »
    2008 Civic 2.2 diesel (0-100km/h in 8.6s)
    Not sure though if you manage to get one within your price limit.

    And its not low tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    And its not low tax.

    280 per annum doesn't seem excessive considering average tax price in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭Sobanek


    And its not low tax.

    If 280 is a lot for you, then no wonder this country is phucked!

    I pay 950 a year.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 843 ✭✭✭HandsomeDan


    Sobanek wrote: »
    If 280 is a lot for you, then no wonder this country is phucked!

    I pay 950 a year.

    The country is far from phucked.

    Mebbe not everyone wants to spent the best part of a k taxing their horse 'n cart?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito



    Mebbe not everyone wants to spent the best part of a k taxing their horse 'n cart?

    and no one suggested the Op should. €280 is a long way from a grand. I'd consider it well within most peoples definition of low tax tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Sobanek wrote: »
    If 280 is a lot for you, then no wonder this country is phucked!

    I pay 950 a year.
    The country is far from phucked.

    Mebbe not everyone wants to spent the best part of a k taxing their horse 'n cart?

    Let's not derail this thread lads.

    Any suggestions for the OP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,686 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    You can only have 2 of the following 3

    fast
    cheap
    low tax.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 843 ✭✭✭HandsomeDan


    and no one suggested the Op should. €280 is a long way from a grand. I'd consider it well within most peoples definition of low tax tbh.

    I wouldn't say low. On the threshold maybe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Foxhole Norman


    Would a VAG car equipped with the 1.8T engine be viable? 680 or so to tax for the year and output ranges from 150hp to 225hp depending on the car.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭Sobanek


    Or a 2005 GTI even? 710 a year to tax, but low price makes up for the "huge tax :pac:"
    Seen these remapped to 250hp too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,686 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I wouldn't say low. On the threshold maybe.

    Ah ffs.
    Complaining about 280 tax on a nicely powered car that can be got for reasonable moneyis just silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    Sobanek wrote: »
    Or a 2005 GTI even? 710 a year to tax, but low price makes up for the "huge tax :pac:"
    Seen these remapped to 250hp too.

    Mk5 GTI's are still overpriced here imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    Mini Cooper S
    Audi S3
    Seat Leon Cupra R


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 843 ✭✭✭HandsomeDan


    mickdw wrote: »
    Ah ffs.
    Complaining about 280 tax on a nicely powered car that can be got for reasonable moneyis just silly.

    For the average joe punter, for the average joe punter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭Sobanek


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    Mk5 GTI's are still overpriced here imo.

    A DSG one is pretty cool though. That gearbox is very impressive. Videos can't give you the feel that you get in real life - I was sceptical at first, but if I was to buy a newer VW tomorrow, I'd be looking for one with DSG.

    Average punter can't afford a 2008 car, Dan :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,708 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    PrettyBoy wrote: »
    Mk5 GTI's are still overpriced here imo.

    I know of no other country where they are cheaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,708 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    If it was me, I'd spend €4k on something pre 2008 with a bit of poke less than 2 litre and I'd leave the remaining €4k in a drawer to drip feed the motor tax from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Ropaire wrote: »
    I've got about 8k to spend on a car, looking to get something thats quick off the mark and fun to drive but cheap to tax if possible. I was looking to find something like a celica but a 2009 1.6 diesel ford fiesta has been suggested to me as they're dirt cheap to tax, but are they any good? Is there anything else to be looking out for that would suit?

    Fast, low tax car for 8k?

    And you ask about a diesel focus? :confused::confused::confused:

    If it is to be a focus, get a UK import 2.0 TDCI, remap it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭Sobanek


    If it was me, I'd spend €4k on something pre 2008 with a bit of poke less than 2 litre and I'd leave the remaining €4k in a drawer to drip feed the motor tax from.

    That's why I didn't buy an E60 520i. I have a few spare notes for petrol, little fixes and tax.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭h3000


    An RX8 would be fairly quick and not too mad to tax but the fuel bills would be mad.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭Sobanek


    h3000 wrote: »
    An RX8 would be fairly quick and not too mad to tax but the fuel bills would be mad.

    Maintenance would be a killer, too. I'd have a 330Ci over an RX-8, becauee it would turn out cheaper in the long term probably.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Sobanek wrote: »
    If 280 is a lot for you, then no wonder this country is phucked!

    I pay 950 a year.

    Can you point me to the €280? I thought all cars over 2.0l were screwed in tax.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Foxhole Norman


    Can you point me to the €280? I thought all cars over 2.0l were screwed in tax.:confused:

    From 08 on cars are taxed based on their emissions. The Civic is pretty clean which is why it's €280 a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭h3000


    Sobanek wrote: »
    Maintenance would be a killer, too. I'd have a 330Ci over an RX-8, becauee it would turn out cheaper in the long term probably.
    Oh I agree. It's just they're quite quick and cheap to tax.
    Can you point me to the €280? I thought all cars over 2.0l were screwed in tax.:confused:
    Cars from 2008 on are based on CO2 emissions so engine size has no real baring on the tax amount.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭KNS


    Depends what you mean by cheap tax. How about an Audi TT 225 BHP 1.8 engine. Just putting it out there. You'd get a nice mk1 with plenty of change left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    If it was me, I'd spend €4k on something pre 2008 with a bit of poke less than 2 litre and I'd leave the remaining €4k in a drawer to drip feed the motor tax from.

    IMO that's bit nonsense.
    Better spends the money for nicer car, than utilise it in taxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    CiniO wrote: »
    IMO that's bit nonsense.
    Better spends the money for nicer car, than utilise it in taxes.

    Surely you would get a better car for your money, if it was pre 2008


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,106 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    From 08 on cars are taxed based on their emissions. The Civic is pretty clean which is why it's €280 a year.

    and slow. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    I know of no other country where they are cheaper.
    Phrased that badly. Compared to other cars for similar money it is overpriced imo. If I had €6-7k it definitely wouldn't be spent on a 9 year old Golf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    and slow. :(

    I'd say value to power to tax ratio is quite good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Ropaire


    CiniO wrote: »
    2008 Civic 2.2 diesel (0-100km/h in 8.6s)
    Not sure though if you manage to get one within your price limit.

    Thanks a mill, 280 tax sounds grand for that spec car. I should have said what cheap tax is for me, anything under about 400 would be grand so will defo have a look for one of these.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,106 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    CiniO wrote: »
    I'd say value to power to tax ratio is quite good.

    I know, I was only messing.It's quite adequate for real world driving.
    Ropaire wrote: »
    Thanks a mill, 280 tax sounds grand for that spec car. I should have said what cheap tax is for me, anything under about 400 would be grand so will defo have a look for one of these.

    I "might" be selling mine soon, but not for 8k. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    KNS wrote: »
    Depends what you mean by cheap tax. How about an Audi TT 225 BHP 1.8 engine. Just putting it out there. You'd get a nice mk1 with plenty of change left.

    Excellent suggestion but the OP is considering a 1.6 diesel Fiesta as a fast car. There is not a a hope in hell he will buy anything as interesting as lads are suggesting here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Y2KBOS86


    CiniO wrote: »
    2008 Civic 2.2 diesel (0-100km/h in 8.6s)
    Not sure though if you manage to get one within your price limit.

    No chance of getting one of these in decent condition for 8k.

    Bit of a cult car in the UK now with that engine, removing the dpf and a custom remap will see you with 190bhp and 450nm+, quick for what it is.

    @ OP

    I would look at the Polo GTI, much lighter than the Golf and it's 1.8 turbo petrol is very tuneable, easily capable of 200bhp+, in a car that weights 1200kg, that's quick.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-polo-gti-now-sold/5083237

    If your going diesel, the Fabia VRS is worth a look, cheap, very reliable and remaps to 170bhp.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-fabia/6374445


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Y2KBOS86 wrote: »
    No chance of getting one of these in decent condition for 8k.
    http://www.cargiant.co.uk/Honda/Civic/details-634749-Honda-Civic.asp?viewtype=0
    £5400 so €6500
    + €1800 VRT
    + €200 shipping cost.

    And you got beautiful 09 civic for €8500
    I'm sure you can get even cheaper.
    Bit of a cult car in the UK now with that engine, removing the dpf and a custom remap will see you with 190bhp and 450nm+, quick for what it is.

    Vast majority of those on UK market came without DPF, so no removal needed.
    But remap to 190bhp is costly itself, and then you need upgraded clutch and flywheel, so rather cost of around €2000 to have 190bhp on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Foxhole Norman


    Y2KBOS86 wrote: »
    If your going diesel, the Fabia VRS is worth a look, cheap, very reliable and remaps to 170bhp.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-fabia/6374445

    That is not a VRS by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,885 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    Sobanek wrote: »
    Maintenance would be a killer, too. I'd have a 330Ci over an RX-8, becauee it would turn out cheaper in the long term probably.

    Nooooooo it wouldn't!

    RX8s can be re-registered as 1.3 litre (€385 tax per year) (which they physically are) and therefore taxed as a proper 1.3. A 330i is taxed at €1494 a year. ALso, an RX8 is cheaper to buy and maintenance isn't a killer because it doesn't really drink as much oil as the pub boooiiiss make out. It is heavy on fuel but it's a performance car and a very very good one at that.

    BMWs suck anyway so Mazda RX8 all day every day :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭vwhead


    rx8 1.3 petrol, cheap tax, very very fast as its rotary powered, only thing is engined is abit costly for parts and abit thirsty on petrol but worth it if you can afford it and ull pick one up for way less than 8k :) 231bhp standard remapped it wudnt be too far off 300bhp!! not many cheap tax cars that can move that quick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Colash


    Go across the water to the uk and pick up a low mileage , mint example of an Audi S3 .vrt it, insurance , tax it and u still have a nice chunk of your budget left over ;) you then have yourself 225 of the finest horses at your disposal in one of the most reliable petrol turbo engines ever made . Go for it ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Colash


    Oh and ps . Don't mod it , remap it, or modify it . Keep it standard ,. Keep the car well and it will not only hold it's value but probably gain value as time goes by . Yes S3's are available in irelsnd and yes you can pick them up handy , but all seem to have huge mileage , and some class of a remap or modification done to them .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Ropaire


    Colash wrote: »
    Go across the water to the uk and pick up a low mileage , mint example of an Audi S3 .vrt it, insurance , tax it and u still have a nice chunk of your budget left over ;) you then have yourself 225 of the finest horses at your disposal in one of the most reliable petrol turbo engines ever made . Go for it ;)

    Most definitely an option, my brother works in the UK so i can skip over to visit him while i'm at it and pick up something like this on the return trip. If i go this route i may as well make it a savage car and makebit worth my while, xheers for the tip


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Colash


    Ropaire wrote: »
    Most definitely an option, my brother works in the UK so i can skip over to visit him while i'm at it and pick up something like this on the return trip. If i go this route i may as well make it a savage car and makebit worth my while, xheers for the tip

    To right man . I'd love to be in your shoes right now . With that kinda money to spend on a car . I've gone through a fleet of gti golfs and vrs Octavias and the one car I always wanted was an s3 but never ended up having one . I drove one a while back and I was so impressed . Best of luck with your purchase whatever u get mate . Take your time deciding ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭sean1141


    Y2KBOS86 wrote: »
    sold/5083237

    If your going diesel, the Fabia VRS is worth a look, cheap, very reliable and remaps to 170bhp.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-fabia/6374445
    That is not a VRS by the way.

    Looks like it was smacked. Serious different shades on the bumpers and that is not a standard vrs steering wheel. Its one out of a lower spec fabia.

    The seats, dash clocks, pedals, gear knob and handbrake are vrs and if it is 6speed its a vrs box.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Spend less on the car and leave yourself a buffer for the tax. €6k would get you a lot more car if youre prepared to look a bit older and not worry so much about the tax, and €2k would cover the difference in tax between €400 and €800 for 5 years...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,593 ✭✭✭tossy


    Colash wrote: »
    Oh and ps . Don't mod it , remap it, or modify it . Keep it standard ,. Keep the car well and it will not only hold it's value but probably gain value as time goes by . Yes S3's are available in irelsnd and yes you can pick them up handy , but all seem to have huge mileage , and some class of a remap or modification done to them .

    Some slight modifications and a remap are a must on an S3, 225 bhp in a hatchback was ahead of the curve when the mk1 S3 was launched but it just doesn't cut it in todays world. :D I would have no hesitation in buying a mapped one if i knew the mapper was legit and the car was a well cared for example.

    There are very few clean S3's for sale in Ireland at any one time. High mileage wouldn't bother me one bit, my car has 160k on the clock (but is 14 years old this year) you will do well to find an S3 (even younger with less miles) that's running as well or as soundly.

    S3's will never gain value but the have bottomed out in terms of prices for a good one, you can buy one for 3/3.5K but you will end up spending another 1k to get it half right, a good one will set you back a bit more but would be worth it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Emission based tax bands range currently from €120 to €2350. Lets even leave that €2350 one out - lets call it an (Irish) super car spike - and disregard it for the purpose of this discussion. So lets talk between €120 and €1200 - which is the next highest band.

    If €280 is not considered low tax on that scale by anyone then they simply can't afford to run the car they're looking at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,885 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    vwhead wrote: »
    rx8 1.3 petrol, cheap tax, very very fast as its rotary powered, only thing is engined is abit costly for parts and abit thirsty on petrol but worth it if you can afford it and ull pick one up for way less than 8k :) 231bhp standard remapped it wudnt be too far off 300bhp!! not many cheap tax cars that can move that quick.

    I don't know where you're going to be getting 70 odd bhp from a "remapped" N/A engine! The best you could hope to achieve is 250bhp on a JDM import with 100 octane fuel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Dr. Kenneth Noisewater


    mickdw wrote: »
    You can only have 2 of the following 3

    fast
    cheap
    low tax.

    WHICH TWO!?!?

    eddie-jordan-en-sepang-2009.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    WHICH TWO!?!?

    eddie-jordan-en-sepang-2009.jpg

    any two, just not all three


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