Comic Vs TV (Spoilers)

PirateShampoo

Hello there buddies,

Was just thinking to myself about the differences between the two and thought I would start a thread about how the comic differs from the TV show in terms of the characters and changes to the story line.

For example: The most obvious think missing from the TV show is that The Governor never removed Ricks hand. (or not missing when you think about it)

Maybe one of the most notable character changes was Dale, not only did he have a awesome death in the comic, he was also banging Andrea.

There are hundreds of other examples.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

I like that they're different, because it means we can't really know what's coming.

I'm glad that they bumped off Andrea in the show, because she was awful in it, but she's one of my favourite characters in the comics, so love how that's so completely different.

Then of course you've got characters like Daryl and Merle who would never had existed if they had done a direct adaptation of the comic.

And I think the Lizzie/Mika storyline was much more effective than the Billy/Ben storyline, so there's pros and cons on both ends.

A few characters I really hope they don't decide to leave out of the show are Heath, Holly and Jesus. They're good characters in the comics, so it'd be nice to see them appear in the show when the time is right.

PirateShampoo

Yeah they have appeared to have swapped Carols and Andreas roles in the show, because as we know Carol was bat **** crazy in the comic.

5starpool

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Yeah they have appeared to have swapped Carols and Andreas roles in the show, because as we know Carol was bat **** crazy in the comic.

So Carol and Rick to hook up once they get towards the Washington area? It's something I've wondered before, about whether they will have anyone hook up with Rick in the show, but I doubt it'll be Carol at this rate, unless Daryl dies a grisly death and they get over the reasons why Rick basically told her to do one in the first part fo season 3. I'd imagine that'll be forgotten bout though once they are all back together and rick knows she told Tyreese.

Liamalone

Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »

And I think the Lizzie/Mika storyline was much more effective than the Billy/Ben storyline, so there's pros and cons on both ends.

But Carrrrrl's involvement in that storyline is lost and was a big thing for me in the comics.

maximoose

Yeah, I liked that Carl was the one who offed Ben - but I think they handled it well in the show.

Tyreese was a much bigger character in the comics than the TV show, starting to come in to the show a bit more now after Herschel was killed off in his place so to speak.

PirateShampoo

5starpool wrote: »

So Carol and Rick to hook up once they get towards the Washington area? It's something I've wondered before, about whether they will have anyone hook up with Rick in the show, but I doubt it'll be Carol at this rate, unless Daryl dies a grisly death and they get over the reasons why Rick basically told her to do one in the first part fo season 3. I'd imagine that'll be forgotten bout though once they are all back together and rick knows she told Tyreese.

Sorry, i meant personality wise. Where Andrea is the survivor in the comic its Carol in the show.

Paddy Cow

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Hello there buddies,

Was just thinking to myself about the differences between the two and thought I would start a thread about how the comic differs from the TV show in terms of the characters and changes to the story line.

For example: The most obvious think missing from the TV show is that The Governor never removed Ricks hand. (or not missing when you think about it)

Maybe one of the most notable character changes was Dale, not only did he have a awesome death in the comic, he was also banging Andrea.

There are hundreds of other examples.

How did those things happen?

5starpool

Paddy Cow wrote: »

How did those things happen?

You should read the comics to find out. Here are the answers in spoilers though.

Governor cut Rick's hand off when they first met. Rick, Glenn and Michonne went there and were tortured for the location of the prison.

Dale was bit and then captured by cannibals who cut off his leg and ate it while Dale was still alive, who pissed himself laughing at them as he told them he had been bitten. He is found by the group before he dies, but not long.

Paddy Cow

5starpool wrote: »

You should read the comics to find out. Here are the answers in spoilers though.

Governor cut Rick's hand off when they first met. Rick, Glenn and Michonne went there and were tortured for the location of the prison.

Dale was bit and then captured by cannibals who cut off his leg and ate it while Dale was still alive, who pissed himself laughing at them as he told them he had been bitten. He is found by the group before he dies, but not long.

Best death ever!

Cork boy 55

Liamalone wrote: »

But Carrrrrl's involvement in that storyline is lost and was a big thing for me in the comics.

Carl already killed a kid in season 3 in questionable circumstances
they had already covered that.

Cork boy 55

During the trip north in comics 3 things happen
Father Gabriel church, the marauders and the hunters
There is also the run in with the Herd and the trip to Morgan and attempted suicide. but this is already done edit and the kids homicide done


I think

Terminus is father Gabriel church but soaped up and is a "good" place but maybe a bit weird, religious cult or something. Safety but conditions
they will end up leaving

The hunters or something similarly have Beth

Joe's group are the marauders this is the group from the comics that takes Rick,
Abraham and Carl hostage

Liamalone

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Carl already killed a kid in season 3 in questionable circumstances
they had already covered that.

I hear ye but the comic incident is a premeditated act where Carrrrl went against what the group were doing/still deciding what to do and was pretty grim as it was a child killed who was a tad confused.
The incident in series 3 was a instant decision and given the recent events at that time was a judgement call on what was possibly an imminent threat. The victim was a kid but on the older side of the spectrum, older than Carrrrl for sure. I would've done the same tbh :P

giggii

5starpool wrote: »

You should read the comics to find out. Here are the answers in spoilers though.

Governor cut Rick's hand off when they first met. Rick, Glenn and Michonne went there and were tortured for the location of the prison.

Dale was bit and then captured by cannibals who cut off his leg and ate it while Dale was still alive, who pissed himself laughing at them as he told them he had been bitten. He is found by the group before he dies, but not long.

I thought they were going to give Hershal Dale's death, but I'm kinda glad he got a similar send off to Tyreese in the comics, giving Tyreese (who in comic book terms is a very well established character by the time we reach the Governor storyline) more of a chance to become an established character.

I really like how they've changed from the comics, it gets rid of the predictability of what's going to happen, and I've been really impressed with a lot of the changes (the addition of the characters like Daryl and Merle, I loved the Mika/Lizzie take on the Billy/Ben story, and I'm glad that they've allowed quite a few of the characters to outlive their comic counterparts). Kirkman has always said that he regrets taking Rick's hand, so I sincerely doubt that'll happen...

I really like Carol in the show, she annoyed the hell out of me in the comics, wheras I was so happy they offed Andrea the end of season 3, she's one of my favourite characters in the comics but she did my head in in the show!

I definitely agree with whoever has suggested that Daryl's new group are the Mauraders, if so that'll be one fantastic showdown for the season finale...
I also have a feeling that the Terminus group could be the hunters, although the Fr Gabriel church is something I hadn't considered, and could be an interesting route also!

Cork boy 55

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

During the trip north in comics 3 things happen
Father Gabriel church, the marauders and the hunters
There is also the run in with the Herd and the trip to Morgan and attempted suicide. but this is already done edit and the kids homicide done


I think

Terminus is father Gabriel church but soaped up and is a "good" place but maybe a bit weird, religious cult or something. Safety but conditions
they will end up leaving

The hunters or something similarly have Beth

Joe's group are the marauders this is the group from the comics that takes Rick,
Abraham and Carl hostage

I was wrong about most of that LOL
Wonder what next season going to be because
RE trip to Washington a lot of it (comic) was already been done


The marauders ( joes claimed group)
The hunters arc (terminus arc soon to be finished one or 2 episodes i guess)
There is also the run in with the mega Herd (Done in season 4)
and the side-trip to Morgan (clear)
Attempted suicide. (Beth season 2)
Kids homicide (Done grove)
Familiy mass suicide in house aftermath(after)

Only thing not done in wrap up the hunters and FG church
Father Gabriel church which will not take long.

Thats why they bringing in New Beth arc and bringing back Morgan
What else are they going to do from next 14 episodes or maybe we will be in Washington a lot faster than we think

CPSW

Has anyone read the novels?

I am nearly finished Fall of the Governor Part 2, I was completely oblivious to the fact that Bob (who is currently well in with the Governor and now chief medic of Woodbury in the novel), is Bob who was chomped on last week! Duh me!!

I'd recommend them for a read if you haven’t. I never read the comics only watched the TV show.

5starpool

CPSW wrote: »

Has anyone read the novels?

I am nearly finished Fall of the Governor Part 2, I was completely oblivious to the fact that Bob (who is currently well in with the Governor and now chief medic of Woodbury in the novel), is Bob who was chomped on last week! Duh me!!

I'd recommend them for a read if you haven’t. I never read the comics only watched the TV show.

They are terribly written books but good to get the backstory on that particular arc and worth reading I thought, despite the generally awful writing.

CPSW

5starpool wrote: »

They are terribly written books but good to get the backstory on that particular arc and worth reading I thought, despite the generally awful writing.

I agree, the back story is what it was all about for me.

I know we've seen elements of them in the TV show so far, but would love to have seen them as a whole on screen, from the time we meet Mr. Blake to the last time he appears.

maximoose

I was just reading up about Morgan again.

Back in Season 3 when Rick ran in to him again he seemed to be losing the plot, Rick tried to talk sense in to him but he was babbling away to himself about "People wearing dead people's faces" - thought nothing of it at the time

Was this foreshadowing of the new "Whisperers" group in the comics?! Could they be coming next in the show?[/spoiler]

NinjaTruncs

maximoose wrote: »

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You should probably correct your spoiler tag

5starpool

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

You should probably correct your spoiler tag

Meh, thread title clearly says spoilers relating to comic stuff. Not a big deal in this thread. In a non comic thread though it would be an issue.

maximoose

More foreshadowing in this week's episode of Glenn and baseball bats

Beginning to think more and more that they're trying to have the comic readers convinced his time is coming to an end only for them to them to switch Negan's arrival up and off someone else.

Lovely Bloke

They can't do Negan justice on this show though, he is just too much of an out-fúcking-there fúcking pshyco-fúcking-path for them to really get the essence of the character.

I don't think any of the characters swear on the show at all.

maximoose

Yeah I'm worried he'll be far too watered down

Here is Negan so far :pac:

5starpool

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

They can't do Negan justice on this show though, he is just too much of an out-fúcking-there fúcking pshyco-fúcking-path for them to really get the essence of the character.

I don't think any of the characters swear on the show at all.

If they tried to do an accurate portrayal of him (even aside from the lack of swearing so far) it would be hard to have him come across as anything other than a one dimensional psycho though. People will also just claim it's a rehashing of the governor storyline in certain ways, but if they introduce him as per the comic (mostly) and Ezekiel as well with his tiger then people will really complain about the shark having been jumped.

I'll be surprised if they don't include Negan, perhaps this season at the end if they make it as far as Alexandria, but they should leave out Ezekiel and his tiger though I think as he isn't that important to the storyline really.

maximoose

Yeah Ezekiel, or at the very least the tiger, needs to be left out. Thought it was a stupid addition to the comic and it would be even worse in the show.

Lovely Bloke

It was a shark jump in the comics, and just wouldn't pass muster with a TV Audience at all really. I mean, a tiger ffs.

dm1979

CPSW wrote: »

Has anyone read the novels?

I am nearly finished Fall of the Governor Part 2, I was completely oblivious to the fact that Bob (who is currently well in with the Governor and now chief medic of Woodbury in the novel), is Bob who was chomped on last week! Duh me!!

I'd recommend them for a read if you haven’t. I never read the comics only watched the TV show.

just finished descent, i really enjoyed the novels in particular the hole brian/philip blake backstory, how he became what he was. I belive they are making 3-4 more novels featuring lilly caul and whats left of the woodbury group. Did the woodbury group come into the comics after the governor, or is it a fresh story line the novels are following

maximoose

Aaron has arrived! Moving along nicely this season.

PirateShampoo

maximoose wrote: »

More foreshadowing in this week's episode of Glenn and baseball bats

Beginning to think more and more that they're trying to have the comic readers convinced his time is coming to an end only for them to them to switch Negan's arrival up and off someone else.

Glad im not the only one who seen this.

Also i think its only fair that Negan is based on Henry Rollins, so he should get to play him.

ricero

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Glad im not the only one who seen this.

Also i think its only fair that Negan is based on Henry Rollins, so he should get to play him.

i think it would work better if he offed Daryl instead of Glen. Could you imagine the **** storm though.

PirateShampoo

ricero wrote: »

i think it would work better if he offed Daryl instead of Glen. Could you imagine the **** storm though.

If it was the series final then yeah kill Daryl, but kill him in a season would be viewer suicide for the show.

I read the comments when they offed Glen from the comic, the death came out of no where and was absolutely brutal. Fans went bananas.

Cork boy 55

the Tv show is now at issue 68 in comics Aaron arrives
Negan get introduced at issue 100
the comic is at issue 137 now.

there was 61 tv episodes so far

comics:tv
68:61 = 1.115
100:~90 = 1.115
137:~123 = 1.115

29 episodes away if current pace continues.
~ mid season 7 to see Negan

62 episodes away if current pace continues.
~ mid season 9 to watch up with comics

ricero

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

the Tv show is now at issue 68 in comics Aaron arrives
Negan get introduced at issue 100
the comic is at issue 137 now.

there was 61 tv episodes so far

comics:tv
68:61 = 1.115
100:~90 = 1.115
137:~123 = 1.115

29 episodes away if current pace continues.
~ mid season 7 to see Negan

62 episodes away if current pace continues.
~ mid season 9 to watch up with comics

I think he will arrive during season 6. Think they would be mad to drag out season 6 without the saviours. It could get very boring. I think this season will end with Carl shot in the eye on a cliffhanger

PirateShampoo

Yeah Abraham/Carl final.

Cork boy 55

ricero wrote: »

I think he will arrive during season 6. Think they would be mad to drag out season 6 without the saviors. It could get very boring. I think this season will end with Carl shot in the eye on a cliffhanger

That scene been down
They already shot Carl in season 2
I suppose they could shoot him again
Maybe they pick a different character

Ya I think they we might see Negan sooner
It most likely we will see a more condensed version of ASZ and the wider world network in both space and time
due to difficulties of portray so many characters and locations on screen (easy in comics)very different on TV to portray 4 main camp locations , hundreds of extras amid a ruined cityscape, I think a lot of new cast will be redshirts.
just too many people, even comics struggled developing new characters
also as i said earlier at current ratio/pace it would take 62 TV episodes set at ASZ just to catch up with comics. Will TV audiences tolerate that.
The cold war/conflict with saviors dragged on and on and on in comics.

I think the TV show needs a breathing space before introduction of new big baddy
A period of growth and survivable
Build it up and then just when everythings going grand Bam

PirateShampoo

The reason why i dont think you will be seeing Negan just yet is because unlike the monthly comics we had a long duration between him and the Governor, i think it would be a little to soon for him.

maximoose

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I read the comments when they offed Glen from the comic, the death came out of no where and was absolutely brutal. Fans went bananas.

Including Steven Yeun :pac:

Was there a nod to Glenn's death when he picked up the baseball bat in episode 10?

Lovely Bloke

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there a nod to Glenn's death when he picked up the baseball bat in episode 10?

yeah, there was. It either means he'll die that way, or he won't.

Lovely Bloke

Season 5 Finale is going to be 90 minutes.

Probably means Negan?

maximoose

I wouldn't think so, I think more likely it'll be the herd attack on Alexandria - maybe end with Carl getting shot?

Negan sadly is a bit further away I reckon.

Lovely Bloke

Makes sense, given the budget cuts that resulted in seeing no Z-action when the barn was attacked last episode.

PirateShampoo

I really don't think we will get Negan this session. I think it will end with Carl getting shot and Abraham when they nearly lose the town.

Personally I think it's to soon for him, I would put my money on the Glen bashing being the Mid session final in session 6.

5starpool

Surely too early for Negan this season, at least I hope so. He should at the earliest be introduced in the mid season finale next year. Glenn and Lucille would be a good way to end.

Chip Whitley

I nearly lost my lunch READING the Glenn/Negan stuff. I REALLY don't want it to happen in the show. I like Steven Yeun way too much. Hopefully if they do go down that route they'll swap out Glenn for Abraham maybe. :o

Hyzepher

I think Daryll might be the substitute

giggii

Likewise, which is why I think they've been downplaying his character of late, it'd add for a bit of shock valus.

Although I really really REALLY hope it isn't the case, I look forward to my weekly dose of Norman Reedus on my screen!

Chip Whitley

There would be uproar if Daryl were killed off, it would certainly be shocking, but I think his popularity with fans may see him immune for another season or 2.

thegreengoblin

Assuming it is to be Glenn, I wonder how far they will go in showing the horror of such a brutal death. Would they go for an off screen killing and just show the reaction of the others before an aerial view of what's left of Glenn's head? That scene from the comic left me genuinely horrified and sickened so I can only imagine what it would be like on the TV.

mrkiscool2

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Assuming it is to be Glenn, I wonder how far they will go in showing the horror of such a brutal death. Would they go for an off screen killing and just show the reaction of the others before an aerial view of what's left of Glenn's head? That scene from the comic left me genuinely horrified and sickened so I can only imagine what it would be like on the TV.

The Walking Dead Wikia have been pretty spot on with what they think won't be featured in the TV show that was in the comic. The suicide pact, decapitated twins, Rick's hand been cut off, Michonne raped, The Governors Torture, Judith's death and the Zombie dream where all mentioned as possible story-lines that wouldn't be featured in the TV show and it's all been true so far.

That being said, Glenn's head been caved in is far too important a plot point to be left out. Without it we don't have Maggie rally the Hilltop to fight for Rick and we don't have Maggie as the leader of the Hilltop, which causes complications. Glenn is almost definitely going to be on the receiving end of Lucille.