Light Colour Sound Festival - Shankhill Castle - Kilkenny - 4th & 5th July 2014

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Light Colour Sound is a brand new festival which will be set amongst the beautiful grounds of Shankill castle in Co Kilkenny.

It is aiming to combine a combination of entertainment including music, food, art, culture, literature, comedy, open forums, workshops, yoga, akido, dance.

Tickets are sitting at €55 for a day pass and €95 for the weekend pass. On the lineup are the likes of And So I Watch You From Afar, Dan Le Sac, Wallis Bird, Cathy Davey, Jerry Fish, Jape, O Emperor, RSAG, Engine Alley, The Barley Mob, Kila, Raglans, I Draw Slow and more. Full lineup below.

Lineup
And So I Watch You From Afar
Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip
Wallis Bird
Cathy Davey
Jerry Fish
Jape
O Emperor
RSAG
Engine Alley
The Barley Mob
Kila
Raglans
I Draw Slow
Halves
Neon Wolf
John Blek And The Rats
The Young Folk
Kodakid
Clive Barnes
In Their ThousandsRackhouse Pilfer
The Kilo 1977
The Eskies
The Cold Draw
Grum and the Duende Dogs
Windings
Gypsy Rebel Rabble
Radioactive Grandma
TV Jones and the Tomahawks
The Stoney Brokes
In The Willows
Val Normal
Sounds Of System Breakdown
Verce
Audio Fires
KRB
The Midnight Union Band
Chemical Addiction
Oak Hollow
Kingston
WOB
Sal Vitro
CPNHGN
The Scenes
JP Ryan
Deep Down Deetox
Sneaky Rinse
Tiny Vinyls

Furious-Red

Yea just seen this the other day . Looks decent

Mince Pie

OMG, this summer needs bigger pockets. That looks ace!

Furious-Red

The Minutes added

pmalone

Sorry, but this seems a bit pricey (€95) compared to indiependence(€99) for example... considering the bands at each and this is just 2 days (with less international acts) ...

Also, camping is an extra tenner per person while a campervan is 25. So 3 of us in a campervan is cheaper than 3 in a tent!!! ... even charging for camping seems a bit lame. Oh and look .. the car park is a tenner and a fiver for motorbikes. So in total, for a 2 day festival with mainly Irish acts that play loads of festivals anyways it will cost you €124.15 (115 + fees of 9.15) ...

Definitely got their pricing a bit wrong here..

Mince Pie

pmalone wrote: »

Sorry, but this seems a bit pricey (€95) compared to indiependence(€99) for example... considering the bands at each and this is just 2 days (with less international acts) ...

Also, camping is an extra tenner per person while a campervan is 25. So 3 of us in a campervan is cheaper than 3 in a tent!!! ... even charging for camping seems a bit lame. Oh and look .. the car park is a tenner and a fiver for motorbikes. So in total, for a 2 day festival with mainly Irish acts that play loads of festivals anyways it will cost you €124.15 (115 + fees of 9.15) ...

Definitely got their pricing a bit wrong here..

Jeez, fair play, couldn't see much about the camping but it does put it in a different slant. I really like the line up but its venturing into EP prices.

Back to Knockanstockan for me.

light colour sound

sounds amazing, we'll be there, keep it local, keep it truly "independent"....

UsedToWait

light colour sound wrote: »

sounds amazing, we'll be there, keep it local, keep it truly "independent"....

It certainly does sound amazing Mr light colour sound, if that is indeed your real name :pac:

bang bang bazza

I for one, or should I say we for one family cannot wait for Kilkenny's camping festival, what a fantastic line up of honest to goodness Irish music. Camping at €5 per person per night is ok for me, also ok with paying for car parking, actually we have decided to bus it, thank you KK for having so many amazing events.

light colour sound

Thank you Mrs? Bang Bang bazza, I agree with you, very much looking forward to it...and it's Master light colour sound, my Father was Mr.....;)

Casshern88

anyone going to this??

mefynn

For sure cant wait for it,great line up,fantastic area all we need is sunshine

Bowlardo

I hope it does well. I think it will be well organised...meant to be a nice venue as well

dirkmeister

If Kilkenny are beaten on Saturday then they are off to Thurles on the 5th.

I'd say the organizers are hoping this doesn't happen, could affect the local crowd who might buy late tickets.

Casshern88

anyone know capacity ?

mefynn

http://lightcoloursoundfestival.com

Furious-Red

dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip

As a rule, we don't cancel shows, it's not our way, we'd prefer to grind it out & make it happen but sometimes it's completely unavoidable. Since 2006 we've cancelled at most 5 shows, and with each one we went balls to the wall to make it happen.
So it's sad that today we have to add a 6th.
Due to circumstances completely out of our control, we will no longer be performing at Light.Colour.Sound Festival at Shankill Castle, Ireland, on Friday. We are sorry to be the cause of any disappointment.
This DOES NOT affect Godiva, we will be there will metaphorical bells on, and If anything this simply makes us even more fired up for getting over to Ireland for Indiependence Festival later in August.

pmalone

Furious-Red wrote: »

dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip

As a rule, we don't cancel shows, it's not our way, we'd prefer to grind it out & make it happen but sometimes it's completely unavoidable. Since 2006 we've cancelled at most 5 shows, and with each one we went balls to the wall to make it happen.
So it's sad that today we have to add a 6th.
Due to circumstances completely out of our control, we will no longer be performing at Light.Colour.Sound Festival at Shankill Castle, Ireland, on Friday. We are sorry to be the cause of any disappointment.
This DOES NOT affect Godiva, we will be there will metaphorical bells on, and If anything this simply makes us even more fired up for getting over to Ireland for Indiependence Festival later in August.

hmmm .. major loss to this festival.

Furious-Red

pmalone wrote: »

hmmm .. major loss to this festival.

Yup if i was gonna go they were the main reason to go

pmalone

Furious-Red wrote: »

Yup if i was gonna go they were the main reason to go

and the silence is deafening ... have to say I am not filled with confidence for this event. Hope I am proved wrong.

intheknow14

Promoter knew that danlesac vs scroobius pip weren't coming over two weeks ago at the very least.. But they still advertised them on the line up and sold tickets... They advertised line up again on Facebook page on Monday, Dan le sac vs scroobius pip actually posted the cancellation notice themselves on Festival Facebook page on Tuesday... First mention of this from promoter was last night! (quoting technical problems)
Website and ticket sales sites still haven't -been updated.

Not really a festival based on trust, eh?

A lot of people would have a good case for refunds given this level of false advertising!

intheknow14

I wonder what part HMV have to play in this hoodwink?

bodhrandude

Did the Minutes not cancel at Sea Sessions, there is a good chance they might cancel this too, is there not someone in the band with an illness or something.

From Sea Sessions thread:
"The Minutes have cancelled too

The Minutes

Quote:
Following the recent cancellation of our whelans show due to Mark's illness we're sorry to say the following shows are also out of the frame for the band.
Sea Sessions, June 28th
Light/Colour/Sound, Kilkenny July 5th
T In the Park , Scotland July 13th
Crane Lane, Cork July 14th
Were sorry to have to cancel but it's the docs orders that we've got to follow on this one so we can get Mark back to where he needs to be.
Sorry dudes. We'll make it up to you.
TM"

pmalone

intheknow14 wrote: »

Promoter knew that danlesac vs scroobius pip weren't coming over two weeks ago at the very least..

How do you know this?

If this is true, well .. what can I say?

pmalone

from DSLVSP Facebook page...

Seán Kelly:
Seriously?! You were the only reason I got a ticket to LCS!!

dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip:
Sorry to hear that but it's entirely in the Festival hands. We did our best to make it happen.

AdMMM

Sounds like the organisers haven't a pot to piss in after forking out the initial deposits!

Furious-Red

Id say tickets didnt sell well and therefor could not afford to pay for Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip?

pmalone

Furious-Red wrote: »

Id say tickets didn't sell well and therefor could not afford to pay for Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip?

That seems to be about the size of it.

AdMMM

From the Light Colour Sound Facebook:

dan le sac vs Scroobius Pip wrote:

dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip: Hi All, Just so you know, we have no clue what "unforeseen technical circumstances" are. If we were going to be vague about this we would have go for "a catastrophic breakdown in communication" but thats just us.

In other words:
Dan le sac: We're due the rest of our fee this week
Light Colour Sound: ...
Dan le sac: We're due the rest of our fee today
Light Colour Sound: ...
Dan le sac: We were due the rest of our fee last Friday
Light Colour Sound: ...
Dan le sac: We were due our fee last week
Light Colour Sound: ...
Dan le sac: Due to your lack of communication, we're pulling out
Light Colour Sound: But we were just finalising your fee...

Furious-Red

dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip

Just to reiterate yesterdays ****ty news, due to a catastrophic breakdown in communication, we will not be playing LCS Festival on Friday.

pmalone

Lessson to be learned:

If social media is your primary way of communicating with your customers, then use it efficiently and timely .. or it will bite you in the ass!

Frigga_92

Found the festival website a bit misleading in the way they had the tickets advertised and also think the tickets are way too expensive for what it is.
It'll be interesting to hear the feedback after the festival and see what way it might go next year, if it goes ahead again.

pmalone

AdMMM wrote: »

From the Light Colour Sound Facebook:

dan le sac vs Scroobius Pip wrote:

dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip: Hi All, Just so you know, we have no clue what "unforeseen technical circumstances" are. If we were going to be vague about this we would have go for "a catastrophic breakdown in communication" but thats just us.

Looks like that post is now deleted!

krustydoyle

They just posted this on their fb page


ROLL UP, ROLL UP!! We have a fantastic offer for TONIGHT ONLY! Buy your tickets here at the gate for ONLY €25. Fantastic music, dancing and campfire antics until 2.30pm! See you here! ‪#‎LIGHTCOLOURSOUND‬

dirkmeister

krustydoyle wrote: »

They just posted this on their fb page


ROLL UP, ROLL UP!! We have a fantastic offer for TONIGHT ONLY! Buy your tickets here at the gate for ONLY €25. Fantastic music, dancing and campfire antics until 2.30pm! See you here! ‪#‎LIGHTCOLOURSOUND‬

Christ, did anyone turn up at all?

Bowlardo

dirkmeister wrote: »

Christ, did anyone turn up at all?

Feel for the organisers but it was a poor line up and the loss of scroobius is quite embarssing.

It seems festivals are forgetting that it is a MUSIC festival first and foremost and as such you would need quality bands to initially tweek peoples interest and buy a ticket.

Think it might have worked better if they twinned up with Sea sessions and had their line up but on alternative nights .
Basically the same price but the difference in the line up is very noticeable.

I think it was great that the put so many local bands on the line up but where they should have been ultimately day time filler they were head lining it. I can see these pubs for free any weekend in the south east ....why would i pay €100 for it?

UsedToWait

I thought the line up wasn't bad, but the pricing stucture, charging extra for camping and for parking, plus the really amateurish pimping displayed at the start of this thread gave me a bad vibe straight off the bat.

Compare that to how Vantastival started off - their first year they approached the VW and Scooter clubs and offered discounted tickets, and even though there was a modest turnout, I'd say it doubled in Year 2 through pure word of mouth.. that's how to operate a small festival.. Vantastival is now firmly established as the opening festival of the season, and, for my money, is the best small festival in Ireland.

I feel sorry for the organisers of LCS though, and hope they'll be able to learn from their mistakes and come back in year 2.
Part of that will have to include coming on here and being open about the snafu with Scroobius, and their attempts to delete discussion and hush up the cancellation after it became apparent.

intheknow14

He told me.

pmalone wrote: »

How do you know this?

If this is true, well .. what can I say?

pmalone

dirkmeister wrote: »

Christ, did anyone turn up at all?

Yes I did

UsedToWait

pmalone wrote: »

Yes I did

And have you any comment to make about it?

pmalone

UsedToWait wrote: »

And have you any comment to make about it?

Loads of comments... i just posted this on their FB page...

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For a first time festival, this was OK. You need to gather some feedback from your paying customers if you want them to return next year. We do about 5 or 6 festivals a year and while a festival in the south east is attractive, that in itself would not be enough for us to return. You had good elements, but it wasn't quite put together in a cohesive manner. That's fair enough for a first year.
And as for your website page on being a family friendly festival (h t t p://lightcoloursoundfestival.com/family-friendly/), that page is simply a lie, as the only things on that page that happened were the puppet show and the pottery (which cost 4 quid a go). Our 9 year old was bored the entire weekend, unlike at Vantastival where she was busy for all 3 days at no extra cost to us. Had we known that this wasn't kid friendly, we would not have spent money on this. Very misleading and very poor show on that front!
Overall, good but not nearly good enough to return. Do you plan any formal means of receiving feedback from your customers?
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Another problem with this festival was that nobody knew what time bands were on the minor stages. It was a complete shambles. A good example of this was on Friday night, when King Kong Company were due to come on at 1.15. I strolled over to the tent at 12:30 to see what was going on and they were just starting. They finished at 1:00 and I was walking out the door, people were coming in the door to see King Kong Company. There were some very pissed off people there. This pattern was repeated all weekend. I was hoping to see Gangs, but when I went to their slot Deep Down Deetox were playing, who were very good, but no one could tell me where or when Gangs were on.. A total shambles.

Best of the smaller acts of the weekend for me was the stunning Neon Wolf. Excellent set by them.

Overall, venue was good, some small changes would make a big difference. Probably would not go back next year.

ASIMON0V

I went along to this - we live in Paulstown, so could not refuse the opportunity of a festival on our doorstep. We popped up late Friday evening and was pretty shocked as it was very empty...handfuls of people here and there. The funfair looked like a deserted set from a horror film. The bar was closed so we just hung around and were lucky enough to see King King company who were very good - if short. On Saturday we brought our kids up and the overall vibe was much better - lots of kids and families and was nice to hang out meeting people. We came back later that evening and decided to stay at the whelans tent where we saw RSAG and The Hot Sprockets who tore it up. Hadn't seen either of these before so was happy to have had the chance to see them.

In terms of feedback, it felt like the organisers had over stretched themselves, there was too much space, too many stages, too many bands and ultimately too few people. I'd like to see it survive but you feel a new management (production and communications) team would be needed to make this happen.

dollydishmop

I've very mixed views on the weekend.

The venue, the stages, the line-up, the stalls, the vibe/atmosphere - all excellent, and no agro that I came across.

My highlight of the weekend were the Barley Mob, they never disappoint

But the BYOB policy...which turned out to not actually be a BYOB policy, well that sucked! The bar closed at 11pm, but you still weren't allowed to bring your own drink into the arena...even though some of the stages were going on until 2am...wtf? Not everyone wants/likes to drink craft beer, so once in the arena, there were no other options. One girl I spoke to had purchased a pint from the bar, nipped back to her tent, and then wasn't allowed back into the arena, with the pint that she'd just bought from the bar...seriously? eh?

There were no portaloos at all in the campervan field, so they paid more to recieve less, and only one bank of portaloos in the arena, nowhere near any of the stages.

I came home feeling that the festival has masses of potential, but was just a bit crap really.
The organisers got a lot of things spot on, but there are also some major creases to be ironed out if they plan to do it again! The phrase "bitten off more than they could chew", springs to mind.

The pricing structure, with camping as an additional charge on top of the weekend ticket...how does that work? Oh and not forgetting the other additional charge for car parking. Struck me as just a little bit greedy. If you buy a weekend festival ticket, you don't expect to pay extra to pitch your tent!

I would like to see it run again, and I'd probably go and give it a second chance...but the organisers need to really cop on to what people were complaining about this year, and learn from it. I wouldn't give it a third chance.

Roll on Knockanstockan :cool:

pervertedcoffee

Disclaimer: I volunteered at the festival. However, I'm going to try and be as objective as possible.

Dan le Sac vs Scroobius Pip: Wow. I feel that the artists were being complete Sacs. What I heard on site about their reason for pulling out paints DLSvsSP in a very bad light but won't go into it because essentially it's still 'grapevine'. :rolleyes: Though I do know for fact the festival didn't have "at least two weeks notice" - punters were told about it as soon as it was confirmed through DLSvsSP's management.

It's only when I got home and saw DLSVSSP's carry on on facebook made me genuinely disgusted with them. Divas.

Anyway, the festival itself: I was part of pre-production so got the festival off to enjoy. And I did enjoy it, as did plenty of people, looking at the photos and stuff. It's not every festival you see hula hoopers casually hula hooping to the act on stage - the crowd we got were great craic in fairness. I think at one point on Saturday morning the *entire* campsite was singing in unison (I was destroyed from working the week so was not singing at 5am...)

There were definitely snags but I don't think people were so put off by the snags that it destroyed their weekend - I just think in comparison to well established (and experienced) festivals people feel short changed. With that in mind, for a first festival I think it went great.

The line up was actually better than I originally anticipated, I saw Overhead, the Albatross and Halves billed and was a bit blind to everything else until the weekend got underway and literally had a band I wanted to see in every time slot...that's never happened to me at a festival before.

Price wise, I wasn't paying much attention because I got in in exchange for a week's blood, stress and tears...ok no tears but definitely spider bites. But if it feels expensive compared to other festivals from what I gather, talking to people I know in bands and stuff, it's because LCS paid way more acts than other festivals are willing to, so y'know...(So yeah, issue with DLSvsSP not payment either it would seem)

Personally, I think it did it's job as music festival and because that's all I cared about (sorry, but I really hate children ) I had an amazing weekend - just the supporting bits, like child friendliness and toilets, got a bit left behind. I entirely missed the spoken word tent but that was supposedly a roaring success. On that alone I think it's going to be amazing next year cause I can see a whole pile of potential and (hand on heart) I have a lot of faith in the vision of the organisors.

So if the line up appeals to you in 2015 I reckon it'll be worth giving a second chance. My vibe talking to organisers in the aftermath was that a lot was learned so it wouldn't surprise me if it took huge strides next year. 2015 will be the teller - it'll be interesting to see how it goes.

Casshern88

pervertedcoffee wrote: »

My vibe talking to organisers in the aftermath was that a lot was learned so it wouldn't surprise me if it took huge strides next year. .

hummm are you sure you don't have some connection to the organizers .... for some reason i feel like your post has a whiff of damage control about it.

Lala_Moore

To be honest organizing a gig is hard work things to go wrong, however what put me of this is the sheer greediness of the folk running it, for charging for camping and then parking along with your ticket, then charing 25 for folk to come in to see maybe the last act or have a look around....its a recession we are in, also to be honest why delete half the comments dan le sac and then pip put up on face book to say why they wouldn't be in the line up as normal? It wouldn't surprise me if they knew a long time before to be honest, sound like folk wanting to make a buck is all, by looking at what they were trying to charge for local acts, I hope the bands all got paid properly!!!.And they weren't roped in on any this is our first year bull can you volunteer and maybe we will pay you the next year once it gets going, people trying to get everything for nothing, until both side of the stories are heard properly and don't get deleted (which looks fishy to me) then I guess we just have to wait and see.

intheknow14

Casshern88 wrote: »

hummm are you sure you don't have some connection to the organizers .... for some reason i feel like your post has a whiff of damage control about it.

Lol.. Stinks of damage control... In about two months time this thread will be full of posts from unpaid artists and contractors... Dlsvssp might even get wind of this thread and may clarify the situation (seeing as promoters will be unable to delete their posts here!)
Should make for interesting reading:-S

pmalone

pervertedcoffee wrote: »

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There were definitely snags but I don't think people were so put off by the snags that it destroyed their weekend - I just think in comparison to well established (and experienced) festivals people feel short changed. With that in mind, for a first festival I think it went great.

I don't think it went "great" ... sure we all expect a few snags at a first festival, but constantly re-arranging stage slots without any communication is anything but great.

Personally, I think it did it's job as music festival and because that's all I cared about (sorry, but I really hate children ) I had an amazing weekend - just the supporting bits, like child friendliness and toilets, got a bit left behind.

OK.. here is my issue .. the website stated clearly that this was a family friendly festival (with a complete list of activities that did not occur) and we choose our festivals based on statements like this.. So we looked at this and thought "okay its a bit pricey for what it is, but there will be loads for the young one, so let's go". So while a website is not a binding contract, promises broken = loss of trust. Lack of trust means I can't believe what is stated next year. We feel that we were lied to, and because we laid out our hard earned cash based on a lie, we feel swindled. Hey maybe that's just me, and maybe you don't mind paying for something and getting something else, but I do. Believe me .. a bored 9 year old for two days does not make for a pleasant experience. Thankfully we are smart enough to make sure that Nintendo is charged enough for two day's usage.

I also don't trust the opinion of anyone who hates kids

So if the line up appeals to you in 2015 I reckon it'll be worth giving a second chance. My vibe talking to organisers in the aftermath was that a lot was learned so it wouldn't surprise me if it took huge strides next year. 2015 will be the teller - it'll be interesting to see how it goes.

Except that the stated line up also cannot be trusted.

(Edit: spelling)

Lala_Moore

To be honest any good business practice means it can not be misleading, if it was stated there were extra charges for children activities people shouldn't have minded if they knew,there is nothing worse then a child been bored or wanting to do something that there parents have not accoutered into possibly a tight budget (its not a nice feeling to put on parents), and if things got cancelled activity wise there website should have been updated in a clear and quick manner to avoid fallout, people love and respect honesty, and are less eager to hand over money if they don't get that.

I would say this event was probably very stressful to the folk arranging it but then honesty costs nothing. I was very excited to go to see Dan and Pip play fortunately I was waiting to purchase my tickets so when they pulled out I hadn't shelled out a shed load of money for nothing, and I would have had very two bored kids with me to boot.

pervertedcoffee

intheknow14 wrote: »

Lol.. Stinks of damage control... In about two months time this thread will be full of posts from unpaid artists and contractors... Dlsvssp might even get wind of this thread and may clarify the situation (seeing as promoters will be unable to delete their posts here!)
Should make for interesting reading:-S

Your right, it probably does stink of damage control but it's not intentional and like I said at the start of my post I volunteered, I have no formal connection to the festival. (My spat at DLSvsSP not a helper on that front; I just really wanted somewhere to bitch about the situation to be perfectly honest after the carry on. Itch scratched, make of it what you will.)

I'll give an example, there were no showers during the festival. The organisors hadn't realised they would be "competing" with Glasto for them so they left it too late. That's something they've now realised. That's only something small now mind, but it applies to the greater snags that I heard them acknowledge too. (Including the child friendliness - the full intention was there and I was making decor for the kids area up till the end - I don't know if people pulled out or what though intention doesn't help a bored 9 yr old, I know)

In fact the reason I'm not being totally open about everything I know is because I'm not part of the festival and don't feel comfortable going into too much detail (I'm hoping showers are an innocent enough example )

So, this opinion is informed ONLY by my experience of the people I worked with and what I saw/heard/experienced on site but I think a lot of what went wrong was down to inexperience. The organisors now have experience. I'm putting two and two together here and thinking Potential + Experience = better 2015 festival BUT I could be TOTALLY WRONG.

Because of the Irish indie line up I'm super excited about this festival and just selfishly really hope that people do give it a second chance. Stage times was definitely a bummer (Halves and Overhead, the Albatross clashed when they weren't supposed to ) if it was me I'd probably have put up a poster of changes...I don't know how effective that would be though.

pmalone

pervertedcoffee wrote: »

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I'm putting two and two together here and thinking Potential + Experience = better 2015 festival BUT I could be TOTALLY WRONG.

I would expect this to be the case and I do genuinely wish this festival the best of luck in the future. There were good elements for sure and it can only get better. I honestly hope it does. And I do think that the organisers did their best. Simple changes can make a huge difference. The most important being COMMUNICATION! ... Respond to facebook questions rather than simply using facebook to blow trumpets. Issue revised timetables. Apologise in advance that "unfortunately we are unable to include many of the kids activities that we hoped for" (seriously that would have been disappointing but at least some element of honesty).. these simple things make a HUGE difference.

pervertedcoffee wrote: »

... if it was me I'd probably have put up a poster of changes...I don't know how effective that would be though.

This my friend, is all that was needed .. Put the day's timetable up at each stage early in the day and we can all take a photo and move on.

Best of luck to LCS and we may come back in year 3 ...