Refused Apartment

dar100

I've recently been refused from renting an apartment because the LL doesn't want a single bloke in his premises???

bumper234

dar100 wrote: »

I've recently been refused from renting an apartment because the LL doesn't want a single bloke in his premises???

What did the police say when you rang them?

dar100

bumper234 wrote: »

What did the police say when you rang them?

Don't take any advice of feck wits

bumper234

dar100 wrote: »

Don't take any advice of feck wits

Seriously, a LL can choose to rent to whoever they want. Single lads could mean parties every weekend and drunken antics so maybe would prefer a professional couple.

subway

Refusal to grant a tenancy
Equality legislation applies to lettings and accommodation. You cannot discriminate against potential tenants on grounds of gender, civil status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Travelling Community

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/landlords_rights_and_obligations.html

dar100

And that is why I made this post, there is 9 area's in which a person providing goods cannot discriminate against, Gender been one of them. Bumper, YOUR WRONG

dar100

bumper234 wrote: »

Seriously, a LL can choose to rent to whoever they want. Single lads could mean parties every weekend and drunken antics so maybe would prefer a professional couple.

A number of assumptions and generalisations your making there, and as it happens, no they can't do as they please.

Mrs W

bumper234 wrote: »

Seriously, a LL can choose to rent to whoever they want. Single lads could mean parties every weekend and drunken antics so maybe would prefer a professional couple.

I'd be more concerned that I single person wouldn't be able to afford it on his own so would prefer a couple

bumper234

dar100 wrote: »

And that is why I made this post, there is 9 area's in which a person providing goods cannot discriminate against, Gender been one of them. Bumper, YOUR WRONG

Oh i know they are not supposed to do that but at the end of the day some LL's are dicks and unless you have him on tape stating that's the reason he won't rent to you then you have no comeback.

dar100

bumper234 wrote: »

Oh i know they are not supposed to do that but at the end of the day some LL's are dicks and unless you have him on tape stating that's the reason he won't rent to you then you have no comeback.

I actually have it in text message, so I will be making a formal complaint

Grandpa Hassan

dar100 wrote: »

A number of assumptions and generalisations your making there, and as it happens, no they can't do as they please.

What is the point of this thread, OP? Do you intend to make a complaint about the LL? Good luck proving anything

Of 10 people that see an apartment, 9 will be refused. Some of them might be women, or single guys. Christ.....the LL has just made a choice. They can't rent it to everyone.

dar100

Mrs W wrote: »

I'd be more concerned that I single person wouldn't be able to afford it on his own so would prefer a couple

That's a fair point, but I can, otherwise I wouldn't be trying to rent

bumper234

So did he definitely say he won't rent to you because you are single?

dar100

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

What is the point of this thread, OP? Do you intend to make a complaint about the LL? Good luck proving anything

Of 10 people that see an apartment, 9 will be refused. Some of them might be women, or single guys. Christ.....the LL has just made a choice. They can't rent it to everyone.

Well I have the text message, saying why they wont rent to me, I'm a single bloke, so my message is valid. And given the fact that this is a public forum, I will choose to put what message I wont on it.

If you don't like it, don't post on it. Simple

djimi

dar100 wrote: »

I actually have it in text message, so I will be making a formal complaint

Formal complaint to who? And what do you hope to achieve by it?

dar100

bumper234 wrote: »

So did he definitely say he won't rent to you because you are single?

Single and due to my gender

bumper234

dar100 wrote: »

Single and due to my gender

So what's your next course of action?

Tails142

I'm pretty sure those 9 reasons relate to employment law and that a landlord can discriminate between potential tenants in any way they see fit.

Red Kev

If you don't mind me asking, what exactly does the message say ? Word for word.

dar100

Red Kev wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking, what exactly does the message say ? Word for word.

Nope, the 9 area's relate to employment, goods and services, vocational/educational issues etc, as I said been a bloke and been single.

There is a little thing called equality, and it needs to be applied universally, people cannot just cherry pick how to apply it

bumper234

dar100 wrote: »

Nope, the 9 area's relate to employment, goods and services, vocational/educational issues etc, as I said been a bloke and been single.

There is a little thing called equality, and it needs to be applied universally, people cannot just cherry pick how to apply it

So what does the text message say?

dar100

Tails142 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure those 9 reasons relate to employment law and that a landlord can discriminate between potential tenants in any way they see fit.

No, are LL something special. Would it be any different then saying I'm not renting to you because your black?? of course not

dar100

bumper234 wrote: »

So what does the text message say?

I've repeatedly stated what the text message says. " Sorry my name, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to single bloke, sorry"

Direct quote

MadsL

Fair play OP. I hope this LL gets a rude awakening from the Equality Authority.

The Dagda

There's an exemption in the Equal Status Act that allows a person providing accommodation to choose who they rent to.

http://www.culturewise.ie/equal-check/pdf/the_equal_status_acts_2000_and_2004_1.pdf

3) Risk of criminal or disorderly conduct
A provider of good/services, or a person providing accommodation or related services, can refuse service/accommodation to a person if a reasonable individual, having the knowledge and experience of the provider, would form the belief that the provision of service/accommodation to the customer would produce a substantial risk of criminal or disorderly conduct or behaviour, or damage to property in or around the area where the service is provided.

dar100

The Dagda wrote: »

There's an exemption in the Equal Status Act that allows a person providing accommodation to choose who they rent to.

http://www.culturewise.ie/equal-check/pdf/the_equal_status_acts_2000_and_2004_1.pdf

I've had a quick scan, you may be right, so much for the use of the word equality,

dar100

The Dagda wrote: »

There's an exemption in the Equal Status Act that allows a person providing accommodation to choose who they rent to.

http://www.culturewise.ie/equal-check/pdf/the_equal_status_acts_2000_and_2004_1.pdf

There is absolutely no way they can make such a judgement, after a 10 minute meeting

The Dagda

dar100 wrote: »

I've had a quick scan, you may be right, so much for the use of the word equality,

You don't think it's fair that the owner of the property can choose who they rent that property to?

wench

The Dagda wrote: »

There's an exemption in the Equal Status Act that allows a person providing accommodation to choose who they rent to.

http://www.culturewise.ie/equal-check/pdf/the_equal_status_acts_2000_and_2004_1.pdf

Only if the accommodation is in their own home.
If they are renting out a separate premises, then they can't.

djimi

dar100 wrote: »

I've had a quick scan, you may be right, so much for the use of the word equality,

To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

The Dagda

wench wrote: »

Only if the accommodation is in their own home.
If they are renting out a separate premises, then they can't.

Read the section on General Exemptions.

MadsL

djimi wrote: »

To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

Would you feel the same if the LL had texted "Sorry, no blacks"?

The Dagda

djimi wrote: »

To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

It was the agent who said it, not the LL.

TheDriver

Am I the only one who thinks there is something more to this. the text message suggests its an EA sent the message so the LL could claim he/she said nothing of the sort. "Sorry my name, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to single bloke, sorry".
So who exactly sent you the text message?

Raphael

There's a different between picking your preferred tenant from the people that showed up, and ruling out a chunk of them out of hand for no reason. If only single blokes had showed up, would this landlord have kept the place on the market turning down applicants till a couple had come along? Because if so, that's discrimination and illegal.

If the text had just said 'Sorry dar100, we gave the place to someone else', then there'd be no issue (or even thread). Because OP could take it in good faith that the landlord had decided based on the whole picture. The text tells us that either they decided based on discriminatory grounds, or really should rethink how they communicate in their business.

dar100

djimi wrote: »

To be honest, the only issue here is the fact that they were stupid enough to actually say to you why they arent renting to you. If they dont want to rent to you then there is no obligation for them to do so, nor are they obliged to give you a reason as to why you were refused. They just needed to be a bit smarter with how they spoke to you,

You are better off just moving on and forgetting it; its not worth the time or hassle.

No, the issue here is what they have done! And the fact that people like you think it's ok

davo2001

Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.

MadsL

davo2001 wrote: »

Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.

Some impressive victim blaming there...

djimi

MadsL wrote: »

Would you feel the same if the LL had texted "Sorry, no blacks"?

Yes, I would.

What would you honestly hope to gain from pursuing the matter further?

dar100

davo2001 wrote: »

Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.

And either would yours, if you had no accommodation to live in, and individuals with vested interests on here telling you to forget about it, let it go etc.

My attitude when treated right is one of reciprocity.

When you challenge the status quo, this is what happens, individuals seek to undermine and silly you.

Wont happen here dav2001

djimi

dar100 wrote: »

No, the issue here is what they have done! And the fact that people like you think it's ok

Again, what do you hope to gain from this? An apology? Youre not going to be getting the apartment, and even if they were to offer it to you now I doubt you want to deal with them.

I dont think its okay for the record. But I do feel that life is too short to waste time making an issue over this, when you are better off just forgetting about it and moving on.

Raphael

davo2001 wrote: »

Maybe he just didn't like you?! Your attitude doesn't seem to be great TBH.

And that would be totally ok. If the text had read "Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to pricks, sorry" that would be legal discrimination.

Discrimination itself is fine, discrimation on the grounds of gender, civil status, family status, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, race or membership of the Travelling Community.

Legal discrimination:
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to Americans, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to gingers, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to Man United fans, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to software developers, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to motorcycle enthusiasts, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to people named Fred, sorry"

Illegal Discrimation:
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to men, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to married couples, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to gays, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to protestants, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to old people, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to blacks, sorry"
"Sorry dar100, landlord is not willing to let the apartment to travellers, sorry"

djimi

dar100 wrote: »

and individuals with vested interests on here telling you to forget about it, let it go etc.

Why do these threads descend into this when people dont get told what they want to hear? I have no connection to renting other than I am a tenant myself. Im simply giving my opinion.

dar100

djimi wrote: »

Again, what do you hope to gain from this? An apology? Youre not going to be getting the apartment, and even if they were to offer it to you now I doubt you want to deal with them.

I dont think its okay for the record. But I do feel that life is too short to waste time making an issue over this, when you are better off just forgetting about it and moving on.

I hear what your saying, but if we were all to take that stance, then no social change/justice will ever happen.

This is not ok, sure, I may never get the apartment, and tbh, I don't want it now anyway.

But, I also don't want the next apartment I do go for, to be the same.

Sure this happens ALL the time, but in this instance they went about it wrong, the rules of the game were broke, so to speak

dar100

djimi wrote: »

Why do these threads descend into this when people dont get told what they want to hear? I have no connection to renting other than I am a tenant myself. Im simply giving my opinion.[/QUOTE]

And I'm giving mine

freshpopcorn

Maybe the landlord thought you looked dodgy, maybe you smelt of smoke, maybe they thought you were rude/wouldn't look after the apartment.

Valetta

The landlord is entitled to rent to whomesoever he wishes.

His only mistake was giving a reason as to why he wouldn't rent to the OP.

If there were only two aplicants for the apartment (or for a job )- one a black woman and the other a white man, it's not discrimination to choose one over the other.

You are not obliged to give any reason for your choice.

Same goes for refusals in a pub... no reason needs to be given.

djimi

dar100 wrote: »

And I'm giving mine

Using a smartarse tone to accuse me of having a vested interest is not expressing an opinion, it is an attempt to belittle mine.

dar100

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Maybe the landlord thought you looked dodgy, maybe you smelt of smoke, maybe they thought you were rude/wouldn't look after the apartment.

But he didn't and thats the point, the reason was been male and single, and that is where the problem lies, FOR HIM

djimi

dar100 wrote: »

I hear what your saying, but if we were all to take that stance, then no social change/justice will ever happen.

This is not ok, sure, I may never get the apartment, and tbh, I don't want it now anyway.

But, I also don't want the next apartment I do go for, to be the same.

Sure this happens ALL the time, but in this instance they went about it wrong, the rules of the game were broke, so to speak

Its an honorable stance, but I dont know how you intend to even being pursuing the matter? And for what gain?

dar100

djimi wrote: »

Using a smartarse tone to accuse me of having a vested interest is not expressing an opinion, it is an attempt to belittle mine.

I didn't direct the statement at you, your inferring