internet content watchdog

darkpagandeath

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/parents-survey-to-inform-internet-content-watchdog-262320.html

Looks like were back to this again. It keeps cropping up I wonder How long until the save the children types will be back on the news. Seems every opportunity is taken to blame the interweb for any ill that happens no personal responsibility is taken anymore. Johnny did this or Johnny did that Johnny was 14-18 but still it was the internets fault. I think it’s more to do with people over their late 40s with a fear of technology And lack of understanding. I think most younger parents would have more of a clue in how to curtail internet usage when needed. Yes that probably is a generalisation and you have plenty of young ones too but still. I think it’s high time people took responsibility for what their children are doing. You cant blame the internet if that's who you rely on bringing your child up for you. If you/they have a fear of the internet don't try and ruin it for the rest of us.

OwenM

from you own link:

"Its job will be to consider emerging issues around internet content and its impact on children and young people. "

It's just a talking shop Quango for ministers to appoint friends onto.

Dravokivich

Why are parents being surveyed? Surely we'd be amongst the least qualified to have such a major input on the issue.

Tzardine

Sure its for the best.

I saw a boob once on the t'internet.

darkpagandeath

Tzardine wrote: »

Sure its for the best.

I saw a boob once on the t'internet.

Still have a phrase from one of these groups in my head.

"Nipples are unsuitable for children."

flutered

the politicos everywhere are doing their best to take control of the web, they control tv stations, radio stations and newspapers, how to control the tinternet is their main agenda, not fighting poverty etc, the thechies and hackers doing massive scripts etc for nothing is beyond their comprehension, as they have neve,r nor will they ever do anything for nothing, they need to have the people interested in their way of thinking, nothing else.

flutered

Tzardine wrote: »

Sure its for the best.

I saw a boob once on the t'internet.

are you sure it was a boob, not a baby dinner.

mikom

Never gets old......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHoI5Zum2ek

Duggy747

I say we should ban children, that way everyone wins.

Muise...

This problem is as old as time. Old monsters, new technology. What did they charge Socrates with? Corrupting the youth.

I particularly like the anti-bullying/suicide brigade - it's the medium destroying the kidz, is it? Not the little fcukers being dragged-up human beings.

darkpagandeath

mikom wrote: »

Never gets old......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHoI5Zum2ek

hahaaha no mater what you do on the internet you leave a digital footprint on facebook. :pac:

Tzardine

I cant play that video, I am in work, but is it for real.

Is she really part of a group called GOWL ?

Rented Mule

Tzardine wrote: »

Sure its for the best.

I saw a boob once on the t'internet.

There you go. This is a perfect reason to police the inter-webs.

They should always come in pairs.

darkpagandeath

Muise... wrote: »

This problem is as old as time. Old monsters, new technology. What did they charge Socrates with? Corrupting the youth.

I particularly like the anti-bullying/suicide brigade - it's the medium destroying the kidz, is it? Not the little fcukers being dragged-up human beings.

Easy to blame everyone else for their own failings as parents. As I said no one seems to be responsible anymore everyone else is to blame. Is more disturbing the government jumping on every chance to sensor the internet especially in a democracy.

hatrickpatrick

I'm not too worried, attempts in the UK to censor the internet have proven utterly futile. There is a committed enough culture of internet anarchists who reject all forms of regulation and are ready to step in and fight it if it comes up - Managing to get SOPA shelved in the US when it was supported by the corporations which bankroll the US congress was an incredible achievement, and other forms of attempted censorship have been thwarted by the likes of Tor etc.

The only way to censor the internet would have been to lock the stable before the horse escaped. People are used to an unregulated internet now and many regard any attempt at restriction as a challenge to be overcome. Technology will always be one step ahead of politicians.

I'm not suggesting that I'm not appalled by the attempts to regulate it, I'm simply saying I no longer have any real fears that any of them will be remotely successful. Internet censorship will only work when those committed to circumventing it give up, and from the looks of things, that's not going to happen any time soon.

Custardpi

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm not suggesting that I'm not appalled by the attempts to regulate it, I'm simply saying I no longer have any real fears that any of them will be remotely successful. Internet censorship will only work when those committed to circumventing it give up, and from the looks of things, that's not going to happen any time soon.

The problem is however that as efforts to censor the internet increase the likelihood is that an ever decreasing amount of people will actually be capable of such circumvention. Anyone can type "[Banned Site] + Proxy" into a search engine & be there in just a few seconds longer than previously. However, if it gets to the stage where one has to use a relay of 16 different proxies & type web addresses in Klingon in order to access an uncensored net then most people outside the hardcore hacker culture will just give up & accept whatever version of the web Google, NSA & the Helen Lovejoy Brigade deign to give them. We are currently lucky that those crying for censorship are mostly computer illiterates like Healy Eames. I wouldn't count on that always being the case.

catallus

These measures are needed to protect people from themselves. Read your Kafka people!

mikom

catallus wrote: »

These measures are needed to protect people from themselves. Read your Kafka people!

Can't............ it's been blocked.

catallus

And rightly so!

Scotty P

I do think that you should have to prove you're over 18 to have a certain level of access to the internet. I don't have kids myself, but wouldn't want my nephews and nieces having access to everything online that an adult currently has access to, that's for sure.

I understand that kids will most likely find a way around restrictions, as I did when getting my hands on Over 18s films when barely a teenager myself, but still think the best effort should be made to have some sort of age restriction in place.

darkpagandeath

Scotty P wrote: »

I do think that you should have to prove you're over 18 to have a certain level of access to the internet. I don't have kids myself, but wouldn't want my nephews and nieces having access to everything online that an adult currently has access to, that's for sure.

I understand that kids will most likely find a way around restrictions, as I did when getting my hands on Over 18s films when barely a teenager myself, but still think the best effort should be made to have some sort of age restriction in place.

It's the parents job to monitor what their own child does. Fairly simple concept if parents are worried about the internet put the pc in the sitting room. Don't allow any devices like tablets to be used out of your sight. And who decides what adult content is ? Sexual health information to some groups would be adult Conflicting religious beliefs art. if you start censoring you will get different lobby groups wanting different things filtered to save the children.

catallus

Maybe the local priest should be given administrator controls over the internet access.

As for the idea that parents can control what kids look at without some concrete action from the ISPs, well...... that's just ignorance.

Scotty P

darkpagandeath wrote: »

It's the parents job to monitor what their own child does. Fairly simple concept if parents are worried about the internet put the pc in the sitting room. Don't allow any devices like tablets to be used out of your sight. And who decides what adult content is ? Sexual health information to some groups would be adult Conflicting religious beliefs art. if you start censoring you will get different lobby groups wanting different things filtered to save the children.

Then why have a legal age for anything?

Cinema, alcohol, smoking etc, all have age limits as we as a society realise that the good intentions of parents just isn't always enough and so we have legislation in place to make sure that children can not access these things until they are 18.

Not all Parents are savvy enough with technology anyway and it would be quite hard for them to prevent their 11 year old from accessing PornLeak, LiveTube and the like. I think all IPs should require some kind of ID before they allow access to adult content.

extra gravy

Scotty P wrote: »

Then why have a legal age for anything?

Cinema, alcohol, smoking etc, all have age limits as we as a society realise that the good intentions of parents just isn't always enough and so we have legislation in place to make sure that children can not access these things until they are 18.

Not all Parents are savvy enough with technology anyway and it would be quite hard for them to prevent their 11 year old from accessing PornLeak, LiveTube and the like. I think all IPs should require some kind of ID before they allow access to adult content.

Getting really tired of this excuse. "Oh sure all this technology wasn't around in my day, how am I supposed to know how it works". They could try learning about it like the rest of us did.

darkpagandeath

Scotty P wrote: »

Then why have a legal age for anything?

Cinema, alcohol, smoking etc, all have age limits as we as a society realise that the good intentions of parents just isn't always enough and so we have legislation in place to make sure that children can not access these things until they are 18.

Not all Parents are savvy enough with technology anyway and it would be quite hard for them to prevent their 11 year old from accessing PornLeak, LiveTube and the like. I think all IPs should require some kind of ID before they allow access to adult content.

Its not about legal age. Its about responsibility , How do you propose the ISP implement this age check ? If you don't want them watching stuff on TV you don't call the TV provider and demand they block TV shows by default for everyone do you. They tried blocking content in Australia and it was broken in half an hour by a 16 year old and posted on social media for all the other young people to use that method.

MS.ing

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Its not about legal age. Its about responsibility , How do you propose the ISP implement this age check ? If you don't want them watching stuff on TV you don't call the TV provider and demand they block TV shows by default for everyone do you. They tried blocking content in Australia and it was broken in half an hour by a 16 year old and posted on social media for all the other young people to use that method.

mmmmm chocolate delicious irony..

Stavros Murphy

Tzardine wrote: »

Sure its for the best.

I saw a boob once on the t'internet.

Link please. I find this statement hard to believe. Standards must have slipped if this were to be true.

Tzardine

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Link please. I find this statement hard to believe. Standards must have slipped if this were to be true.

Here you are

http://www.losebellyfatreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/man-boobs.jpg

Caliden

Scotty P wrote: »

Then why have a legal age for anything?

Cinema, alcohol, smoking etc, all have age limits as we as a society realise that the good intentions of parents just isn't always enough and so we have legislation in place to make sure that children can not access these things until they are 18.

Not all Parents are savvy enough with technology anyway and it would be quite hard for them to prevent their 11 year old from accessing PornLeak, LiveTube and the like. I think all IPs should require some kind of ID before they allow access to adult content.

In short, lazy parents who want someone else to do their parenting.

Potatoeman

Scotty P wrote: »

Then why have a legal age for anything?

Cinema, alcohol, smoking etc, all have age limits as we as a society realise that the good intentions of parents just isn't always enough and so we have legislation in place to make sure that children can not access these things until they are 18.

Not all Parents are savvy enough with technology anyway and it would be quite hard for them to prevent their 11 year old from accessing PornLeak, LiveTube and the like. I think all IPs should require some kind of ID before they allow access to adult content.

Kids can access alcohol if they are unsupervised and its not controlled. Do you lock up all your alcohol?

You can buy over the counter software to block unwanted content.

Dravokivich

Potatoeman wrote: »

Kids can access alcohol if they are unsupervised and its not controlled. Do you lock up all your alcohol?

You can buy over the counter software to block unwanted content.

Exactly, if a kid is motivated enough, they'll do whatever they think is possible for'em to do. As a parent, I can only try to teach my kid about being responsible and out laying consequences if ever he does anything irresponsible.